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Post by leedsaddick on Feb 8, 2024 19:47:22 GMT
I took it as Nathan Jones discussing the role with Scott & Rodwell,and how it dovetailed with theirs and Dr Wills. It was the investors doing the actual persuading, and providing him with the guarantees that he was seeking. Either way, Scott is now working with his 3rd Charlton manager in 12 months, and it’s his head on the chopping block if he can’t get it right this time. It was good to hear Jones make reference to his role in future player recruitment. Agreed, but how does that differ from this, “We should all be encouraged that the local management team (Rodwell and Scott) worked with the lead investors (Brener and Friedman) to get the man they wanted over the line.”? I’m pleased you’ve now agreed that the investors are a positive. I’ve said the structure is too, but I know you don’t yet see it that way yet. I’ve also said all along that if the SMT don’t deliver, either individually or collectively, they’ll be gone. I think you now agree with that too. At this stage what more do we want? The priority now is on trying to get enough points to stay up. Can I suggest we focus exclusively on that, stop trying to find someone or something to blame and allow the elephant time to come into full view? We all want the same thing don’t we? If the 4.5 year deal is true, for me I'm pleased, as this is long term thinking rather than short term band aid fixes. I think that NJ's profile fits where CAFC are organisationally... broken.. and am personally frustrated that many colleagues on our site want to splash the cash for instant gratification and sucess. If we look back, the Club has transferred out the players we wanted.. Innis, Clare etc... so I'm happy to give NJ as much time as needed. He's got a track record of building something and already has a connection with CAFC, even if we get relegated. We have owners with deep pockets... they need to support NJ, I'm confident that he'll get it right... look at Luton |
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Post by petetongthereturn on Feb 8, 2024 21:14:18 GMT
I can’t believe (excuse the pun) that people are banging on about NJ’s faith !
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Post by norfolkrobin on Feb 8, 2024 22:12:20 GMT
Agreed, but how does that differ from this, “We should all be encouraged that the local management team (Rodwell and Scott) worked with the lead investors (Brener and Friedman) to get the man they wanted over the line.”? I’m pleased you’ve now agreed that the investors are a positive. I’ve said the structure is too, but I know you don’t yet see it that way yet. I’ve also said all along that if the SMT don’t deliver, either individually or collectively, they’ll be gone. I think you now agree with that too. At this stage what more do we want? The priority now is on trying to get enough points to stay up. Can I suggest we focus exclusively on that, stop trying to find someone or something to blame and allow the elephant time to come into full view? We all want the same thing don’t we? If the 4.5 year deal is true, for me I'm pleased, as this is long term thinking rather than short term band aid fixes. I think that NJ's profile fits where CAFC are organisationally... broken.. and am personally frustrated that many colleagues on our site want to splash the cash for instant gratification and sucess. If we look back, the Club has transferred out the players we wanted.. Innis, Clare etc... so I'm happy to give NJ as much time as needed. He's got a track record of building something and already has a connection with CAFC, even if we get relegated. We have owners with deep pockets... they need to support NJ, I'm confident that he'll get it right... look at Luton We've had SO MUCH chop and change,squad churns from MANY coaches and it's got us mostly nowhere with a few rare exceptions. I could be off in thinking this,but this feels to me SE7 have thought why not try a bit of stability? The length of contract is very encouraging as it shows faith/trust in NJ. NJ asking fans to buy in also resonated with me,hearing buzz words like process and building carry weight when spoken by someone who has experience doing just that. It won't be easy,it never is but we have our man and need to back him and the team from now on,IF we go down (i dont want to think about it,but its a massive concern),NJ needs to drive the full reboot. |
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Post by Mundell on Feb 9, 2024 9:11:59 GMT
If the 4.5 year deal is true, for me I'm pleased, as this is long term thinking rather than short term band aid fixes. I think that NJ's profile fits where CAFC are organisationally... broken.. and am personally frustrated that many colleagues on our site want to splash the cash for instant gratification and sucess. If we look back, the Club has transferred out the players we wanted.. Innis, Clare etc... so I'm happy to give NJ as much time as needed. He's got a track record of building something and already has a connection with CAFC, even if we get relegated. We have owners with deep pockets... they need to support NJ, I'm confident that he'll get it right... look at Luton We've had SO MUCH chop and change,squad churns from MANY coaches and it's got us mostly nowhere with a few rare exceptions. I could be off in thinking this,but this feels to me SE7 have thought why not try a bit of stability? The length of contract is very encouraging as it shows faith/trust in NJ. NJ asking fans to buy in also resonated with me,hearing buzz words like process and building carry weight when spoken by someone who has experience doing just that. It won't be easy,it never is but we have our man and need to back him and the team from now on,IF we go down (i dont want to think about it,but its a massive concern),NJ needs to drive the full reboot. We definitely need some stability norfolkrobin , both on and off the field. And no doubt having a manager/head coach who stays in the role for at least 2-3 seasons, if not longer, would contribute significantly to that objective. However, I suspect what’s happened here is that Jones has pushed for a longer term contract, to protect himself financially if things go wrong, and the club have decided to agree even though that’s probably not where they started. The main investors almost certainly had to sign off taking on a potential ‘liability’ in this way. What’s encouraging is that having identified Jones as the man for the job (and that must have been done locally), the club did what was necessary to land him (and that probably required investor approval). Incidentally, in the latest Not The Top 20 podcast, Ali Maxwell and co were almost incredulous that a club at the wrong end of League One could attract a manager of Jones’ stature. That tells us something about the level of ambition at the club. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 9, 2024 9:46:48 GMT
We've had SO MUCH chop and change,squad churns from MANY coaches and it's got us mostly nowhere with a few rare exceptions. I could be off in thinking this,but this feels to me SE7 have thought why not try a bit of stability? The length of contract is very encouraging as it shows faith/trust in NJ. NJ asking fans to buy in also resonated with me,hearing buzz words like process and building carry weight when spoken by someone who has experience doing just that. It won't be easy,it never is but we have our man and need to back him and the team from now on,IF we go down (i dont want to think about it,but its a massive concern),NJ needs to drive the full reboot. We definitely need some stability norfolkrobin , both on and off the field. And no doubt having a manager/head coach who stays in the role for at least 2-3 seasons, if not longer, would contribute significantly to that objective. However, I suspect what’s happened here is that Jones has pushed for a longer term contract, to protect himself financially if things go wrong, and the club have decided to agree even though that’s probably not where they started. The main investors almost certainly had to sign off taking on a potential ‘liability’ in this way. What’s encouraging is that having identified Jones as the man for the job (and that must have been done locally), the club did what was necessary to land him (and that probably required investor approval). Incidentally, in the latest Not The Top 20 podcast, Ali Maxwell and co were almost incredulous that a club at the wrong end of League One could attract a manager of Jones’ stature. That tells us something about the level of ambition at the club. Maybe not? |
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Post by Mundell on Feb 9, 2024 10:09:06 GMT
We definitely need some stability norfolkrobin , both on and off the field. And no doubt having a manager/head coach who stays in the role for at least 2-3 seasons, if not longer, would contribute significantly to that objective. However, I suspect what’s happened here is that Jones has pushed for a longer term contract, to protect himself financially if things go wrong, and the club have decided to agree even though that’s probably not where they started. The main investors almost certainly had to sign off taking on a potential ‘liability’ in this way. What’s encouraging is that having identified Jones as the man for the job (and that must have been done locally), the club did what was necessary to land him (and that probably required investor approval). Incidentally, in the latest Not The Top 20 podcast, Ali Maxwell and co were almost incredulous that a club at the wrong end of League One could attract a manager of Jones’ stature. That tells us something about the level of ambition at the club. Maybe not? That’s a fair point aaronaldo I guess we can’t know without seeing the contract. |
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Post by jonkool on Feb 9, 2024 10:17:17 GMT
That’s a fair point aaronaldo I guess we can’t know without seeing the contract. With player/manager signings the now famous expression is ‘undisclosed’ as far as the key contract details are concerned … and why wouldn’t they be! |
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Post by earlpurple on Feb 9, 2024 11:45:40 GMT
The rationale for a long contract is that if he fails as a head coach he would potentially be part of the recruitment team, if not head of it replacing Andy Scott, because he has been proven in that area. Thus his role as "manager".
It is possible that they would have to pay off Andy Scott so they will see how well he can work alongside Nathan Jones to see whether there is still a role for him at the club.
A long-term deal also means we might get compensation if we are going really well, get promoted next season and then a big club come in for him and he finds it hard to refuse, as he has been known to do in the past.
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Post by watameires on Feb 9, 2024 12:10:35 GMT
Is it only me as seeing a long term contract for him a real concern? If he fails he’ll cost us loads if he succeeds he’s a risk of leaving as he would on a short term deal anyway
Just looks to me as contractually he’s the winner. We were just in a poor negotiating position to attract him
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Post by watameires on Feb 9, 2024 12:13:00 GMT
That’s not to say I don’t support the appointment tho
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 9, 2024 13:54:42 GMT
Is it only me as seeing a long term contract for him a real concern? If he fails he’ll cost us loads if he succeeds he’s a risk of leaving as he would on a short term deal anyway Just looks to me as contractually he’s the winner. We were just in a poor negotiating position to attract him This is where I think Cawley has a point. Likely still only a maximum of 12 months termination. |
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Feb 9, 2024 16:18:17 GMT
Katrein they were the good old days when Roland brought some decent players and a few dodgy ones, such good memories.
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 9, 2024 17:03:02 GMT
Assistant. Curtis Fleming stepping down/back into coaching role then?
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Post by valley on Feb 9, 2024 17:03:58 GMT
Assistant. Curtis Fleming stepping down/back into coaching role then? Hope he does well. |
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Post by watameires on Feb 9, 2024 17:29:44 GMT
Very experienced- great stuff
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Post by millwallfan on Feb 9, 2024 18:16:33 GMT
Is it only me as seeing a long term contract for him a real concern? If he fails he’ll cost us loads if he succeeds he’s a risk of leaving as he would on a short term deal anyway Just looks to me as contractually he’s the winner. We were just in a poor negotiating position to attract him Think you’re spot on with this, watameires. Reading Cawley’s article, where it said that my club chose Joe Edwards over Jones, only confirms to me that Jones probably did want a release clause which our chairman wouldn’t agree to, and your comment above about him wanting a long term contract may also have been something he wanted with us, which again our chairman wasn’t happy to give him. Just theorising on that last part, but as Rowett was on a rolling 1 year contract with us, it wouldn’t surprise me if our chairman had wanted Jones to sign up for the same type of contract, and Jones wouldn’t, because if he was sacked on a rolling 1 year contract then chances are he wouldn’t get much compensation. If Jones should tank 1 or 2 years into his 4 and a half year contract with Charlton, he’s going to have a 2 or 3 and a half year compensation package waiting for him, should he want to take more time out from the game, or because his stock is low after his sacking, and no other club wants to touch him. It’s a big gamble for a once ex Premiership manager to take on Charlton, a team two leagues lower than Southampton who he once managed, and I think for that reason he’s made sure that he, rather than you, will come out of this much better should things go tits up later on. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Feb 9, 2024 18:59:14 GMT
If Jones should tank 1 or 2 years into his 4 and a half year contract with Charlton, he’s going to have a 2 or 3 and a half year compensation package waiting for him Pretty sure you haven't read Cawley's Tweets as this supposition is complete nonsense. The length of the contract is completely irrelevant; in most industries contracts are pretty much infinite. The only thing that matters is the length of the notice period (on both sides). Cawley specifically Tweeted in relation to Nathan Jones that the absolute maximum notice period in any football manager's contract is 12 months, so that's the most we'd need to pay off if we end up getting rid of him. |
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Post by millwallfan on Feb 9, 2024 23:57:48 GMT
If Jones should tank 1 or 2 years into his 4 and a half year contract with Charlton, he’s going to have a 2 or 3 and a half year compensation package waiting for him Pretty sure you haven't read Cawley's Tweets as this supposition is complete nonsense. The length of the contract is completely irrelevant; in most industries contracts are pretty much infinite. The only thing that matters is the length of the notice period (on both sides). Cawley specifically Tweeted in relation to Nathan Jones that the absolute maximum notice period in any football manager's contract is 12 months, so that's the most we'd need to pay off if we end up getting rid of him. Hope you’re right, otherwise that’s a hell of a compensation package Jones will get, as it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s on an extremely good yearly salary with Charlton. |
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Post by revilo on Feb 10, 2024 8:48:45 GMT
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Post by lewisham on Feb 16, 2024 11:13:22 GMT
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Post by chertseyaddick on Feb 17, 2024 20:12:10 GMT
Interesting article in iPaper about Luton. In 2020 NJ apparently targeted "athleticism and power" and who was head scout? Phil Chapple who seems not to have worked for a couple of years. Lots of lower league signings. Scott out, Phil in for me.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 17, 2024 20:23:11 GMT
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 17, 2024 22:36:14 GMT
Fair play to NJ and our owners/SMT
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 25, 2024 14:28:01 GMT
Progress so far:
Increased intensity / desire ✅
More organised defensively ✅
cleansheet ✅ (This is massive for me btw. Not quite a win but not far off!)
Stop the rot ✅ Unbeaten in 3 (two being top 3)
Increased confidence ✅
Increased creativity / xG NOT YET
Win NOT YET
Back to back wins NOT YET (this is going to be needed for us to stay up)
It’s certainly a positive start.
We need a win in the next two games or I fear it could be too late. The weight on our players only grows whilst the next win remains elusive.
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Post by mersthamred on Feb 25, 2024 16:09:25 GMT
NJ is so good that The Supremes did a song about him back in 1971...those ladies knew their football and he hadn't even been born then.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 28, 2024 9:58:34 GMT
Don’t underestimate the importance of the emotional link between a fanbase and its manager.
It probably took Dean Holden further at CAFC than he otherwise would have got to, and as we saw last night, there’s a real connection already between a passionate and “up for it” Nathan Jones and our most passionate and dedicated supporters.
This will stand Nathan in good stead going forwards as he rips this squad apart in the Summer, makes tough decisions, and takes the club forward.
What a sad contrast to the 30 or so games wasted under that paltry mannequin with his hands stuck in his pockets on the touchline.
A fanbase always needs to be lead with a character who looks and sounds and acts like the vast majority of them, and as Nathan said post match last night , “I’m a Charlton Athletic fan as well now”.
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Post by eric on Feb 28, 2024 11:27:13 GMT
Don’t underestimate the importance of the emotional link between a fanbase and its manager. It probably took Dean Holden further at CAFC than he otherwise would have got to, and as we saw last night, there’s a real connection already between a passionate and “up for it” Nathan Jones and our most passionate and dedicated supporters. This will stand Nathan in good stead going forwards as he rips this squad apart in the Summer, makes tough decisions, and takes the club forward. What a sad contrast to the 30 or so games wasted under that paltry mannequin with his hands stuck in his pockets on the touchline. A fanbase always needs to be lead with a character who looks and sounds and acts like the vast majority of them, and as Nathan said post match last night , “I’m a Charlton Athletic fan as well now”. You know he’s just acting , right ? |
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Post by keepthefaith on Feb 28, 2024 11:56:50 GMT
My mate has had a Luton season ticket his whole life, and text me this (among other things) when we appointed Jones.. The first half looks to be bearing fruit so far..
"He'll come in, tighten you up, then you will see what he's doing piece by piece. Gets the lads believing, they buy into Jones, then everything clicks."
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Post by aaronaldo on Mar 9, 2024 17:32:29 GMT
Progress so far: Increased intensity / desire ✅ More organised defensively ✅ cleansheet ✅ (This is massive for me btw. Not quite a win but not far off!) Stop the rot ✅ Unbeaten in 3 (two being top 3) Increased confidence ✅ Increased creativity / xG ☑️ (kind of) Win ✅ Back to back wins ✅ (this is going to be needed for us to stay up) It’s certainly a positive start. We need a win in the next two games or I fear it could be too late. The weight on our players only grows whilst the next win remains elusive. Updated. Impressive start from Nathan and the team. Creativity is very limited still. We certainly aren’t playing attractive football much of the time. However, we seem to be scoring so it’s working enough. I think we need the summer to make changes to this area realistically. |
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Post by ExeterAddick on Mar 9, 2024 19:09:17 GMT
It's hard to imagine how anyome could've done a better job than NJ has done since he arrived. Phenomenal.
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