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Post by norfolkrobin on Mar 10, 2024 10:16:11 GMT
It's hard to imagine how anyome could've done a better job than NJ has done since he arrived. Phenomenal. Superb Job so far,Long may it continue. One quote stood out for me in yesterday's post match interview "We don't carry passengers" if not the exact quote,the message was clear IF you won't fully buy in and do what's required you won't be here. In NJ we trust. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 29, 2024 11:48:19 GMT
Sone really refreshing comments from Nathan Jones this morning about our Summer transfer dealings. (Rich Cawley)
A clear public warning to the SMT contained on there - Nathan wants “99% of our business done in JUNE” and doesn’t want to be six players short in “AUGUST”.
He has clearly read up on the history of recent CAFC managers - Adkins, Garner and even Appleton went public on the transfer dysfunction at the club, and how it always sees us get off to a slow start when the season kicks off.
There are no excuses this Summer - Nathan knows that successful promotion teams hit the ground running from Day One.
No more poobah nonsense about “waiting for PL loans”
….lets get the squad in place quickly.
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Post by clarky on Mar 29, 2024 12:34:05 GMT
Let's hope Scott is on holiday until July then.
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Post by valleyfaithful on Mar 29, 2024 12:40:15 GMT
Sone really refreshing comments from Nathan Jones this morning about our Summer transfer dealings. (Rich Cawley) A clear public warning to the SMT contained on there - Nathan wants “99% of our business done in JUNE” and doesn’t want to be six players short in “AUGUST”. He has clearly read up on the history of recent CAFC managers - Adkins, Garner and even Appleton went public on the transfer dysfunction at the club, and how it always sees us get off to a slow start when the season kicks off. There are no excuses this Summer - Nathan knows that successful promotion teams hit the ground running from Day One. No more poobah nonsense about “waiting for PL loans” ….lets get the squad in place quickly. Given the fact the American contingent of our ownership structure met with Nathan themselves and has also seen his galvinisation of our squad in recent weeks, I hope they're eager to ready the chequebooks with a view of actually mounting their first promotion campaign next year. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 29, 2024 12:44:55 GMT
Sone really refreshing comments from Nathan Jones this morning about our Summer transfer dealings. (Rich Cawley) A clear public warning to the SMT contained on there - Nathan wants “99% of our business done in JUNE” and doesn’t want to be six players short in “AUGUST”. He has clearly read up on the history of recent CAFC managers - Adkins, Garner and even Appleton went public on the transfer dysfunction at the club, and how it always sees us get off to a slow start when the season kicks off. There are no excuses this Summer - Nathan knows that successful promotion teams hit the ground running from Day One. No more poobah nonsense about “waiting for PL loans” ….lets get the squad in place quickly. Given the fact the American contingent of our ownership structure met with Nathan themselves and has also seen his galvinisation of our squad in recent weeks, I hope they're eager to ready the chequebooks with a view of actually mounting their first promotion campaign next year. Nathan proved at Luton Town that he knows what is required - I think, as you say, that our excellent investors will listen to him. I have never understood the logic of some that you should basically write off the first six weeks of the season waiting to loan other club’s cast offs. As a policy, it’s been disastrous for us. |
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Post by dartford36 on Mar 29, 2024 13:00:17 GMT
I seem to remember the dust had hardly settled on the 98/99 season when Curbs signed Dean Keily in May 99, a prime example of getting a player early and before anyone else had time to react.
Hopefully Jones knows who and what he wants and will be backed accordingly.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Mar 29, 2024 14:00:42 GMT
Let's hope Scott is on holiday until July then. You would hope that NJ will be responsible for all the incoming players this summer and I have every confidence that he will make the right decisions on who to keep and who to let go with all of our fringe players floating around at different clubs around the UK Jones comes across as a guy who doesn’t piss about and doesn’t suffer fools gladly and I think we will see him adopt the same successful early summer recruitment drive that Pompey experienced last summer……and that has served them pretty well rather than waiting for all the so called quality players checking out all their options throughout July and August |
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Post by newyorkaddick on Apr 5, 2024 9:43:47 GMT
Curious that Appleton picked up more points from his first 11 games than Jones....amazing how much impact relative charisma has on fans' reaction to each.
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 5, 2024 11:38:09 GMT
Curious that Appleton picked up more points from his first 11 games than Jones....amazing how much impact relative charisma has on fans' reaction to each. But can we make valid comparisons over 11 games for a squad or manager? Ultimately wins change perspective, and Appleton went how many games without a win (once Leaburn and Aneke were injured)? What Jones has certainly achieved is a reduction in both xGa and actual goals conceded. I'd expect that most fans recognise that as progress. The charisma and associated potential to further improve things over the summer are kinda unquantifiable. Somewhat nebulous if you will. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Apr 5, 2024 11:43:21 GMT
Curious that Appleton picked up more points from his first 11 games than Jones....amazing how much impact relative charisma has on fans' reaction to each. I didn't realise that. It does, kind of, put things into perspective. Clearly Aneke's availability is significant but Appleton's achievements were viewed on the basis that fans believed that we should be finishing no lower than 6th; Jones' brief was to finish no lower than 5th from bottom. Aneke aside, Jones has had a much better squad of players to choose from, too. I am not as optimistic about next season as many fans are. I'm not sure that Jones is going to change the club from being, rather, average at recruitment, to being exceptional. We will need the latter if we are going to convert an uninspiring mid-table squad to a top six one. |
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Post by keepthefaith on Apr 5, 2024 15:17:58 GMT
Curious that Appleton picked up more points from his first 11 games than Jones....amazing how much impact relative charisma has on fans' reaction to each. I didn't realise that. It does, kind of, put things into perspective. Clearly Aneke's availability is significant but Appleton's achievements were viewed on the basis that fans believed that we should be finishing no lower than 6th; Jones' brief was to finish no lower than 5th from bottom. Aneke aside, Jones has had a much better squad of players to choose from, too. I am not as optimistic about next season as many fans are. I'm not sure that Jones is going to change the club from being, rather, average at recruitment, to being exceptional. We will need the latter if we are going to convert an uninspiring mid-table squad to a top six one. I don't think you can ignore the positive impact that Leaburn had on Appleton's team before he was injured, and CBT was a genuine wide threat and outlet, which we now don't have whatsoever. I didn't particularly rate Fraser to be honest, but at least he could actually play in the #10 role too - again, something that Jones doesn't have. Leaburn, CBT and Fraser would likely all be in the starting XI tomorrow if they were available, so I'm not sure that Jones has had a much better squad of players to choose from.. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Apr 5, 2024 15:33:46 GMT
I didn't realise that. It does, kind of, put things into perspective. Clearly Aneke's availability is significant but Appleton's achievements were viewed on the basis that fans believed that we should be finishing no lower than 6th; Jones' brief was to finish no lower than 5th from bottom. Aneke aside, Jones has had a much better squad of players to choose from, too. I am not as optimistic about next season as many fans are. I'm not sure that Jones is going to change the club from being, rather, average at recruitment, to being exceptional. We will need the latter if we are going to convert an uninspiring mid-table squad to a top six one. I don't think you can ignore the positive impact that Leaburn had on Appleton's team before he was injured, and CBT was a genuine wide threat and outlet, which we now don't have whatsoever. I'd rather see Jones be able to pick a starting XI that could include Leaburn and CBT than not. It is an interesting stat, but potentially misleading when you consider the context. Jones took over when we were on freefall and essentially destined for relegation heading into the last part of the season. Appleton may have taken over after a disasterous start, but I don't think anyone (even the most negative on here) would've considered relegation as a potential when we sacked Dean. So there's a massive difference in the pressure for results imo. Also, as pointed out. When we had the likes of CBT and Miles, we had options and creativity going forwards. A turn of pace, even from Miles who could create things inside the box. Nathan on the other hand had effectively been left with a team where the recruitment was VERY much prioritising defence. We've looked to shut up shop. We've definitely seen improvement here, but the cost has been the fact we are horrendous in attack. Small is the only one with any real change of pace (with Ramsay injured). Movement is minimal, creativity is non-existent and often our tempo is slow and predictable of late. We've lost the intensity we had in the first 5-6 games Nathan was in charge. Maybe as the team feel they are effectively safe now? I'm hoping this is just temporary, due to the squad we have available and Nathan wanting to mathetically secure safety before worrying to much about being able to really open teams up and create chances. We may seem him experimenting more (Pan, Fiorini, Taylor, Wickham, LuaLua, Campbell, etc) in the last few games if we get a win in the next few. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Apr 5, 2024 15:47:58 GMT
Moved these posts from the match thread as we were off-topic.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Apr 5, 2024 17:31:18 GMT
I believe Nathan Jones has secured 16 points from 11 games, with 3 wins. Nothing Earth-shattering, but given the crud in the table beneath us (Darren Moore 😬), enough to keep us up.
One observation is that Nathan cut a very frustrated figure on the touchline v Stevenage, constantly remonstrating with Curtis Fleming & Paul Hart. I think NJ is astute enough and ruthless enough to have now identified the many weaknesses in the squad, which is why I think that all of the loans, plus serial duds like Thomas, Hector, Edun & Tennai, will be shown the door in May.
A handful may berate us for being harsh on individual players, but it’s a winner’s sport, and this group of players have sold the club down the pan.
I never thought I’d see the day we had only 47 points from 41 games in Division 3.
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Post by Tom1982 on Apr 5, 2024 18:38:13 GMT
16th in league one is unforgivable. If this lot are serious (which I think they are) he’ll be gone, at the latest, by the end of the season. The geezer is a chancer, it doesn’t take skill to just sign as many players as possible and see what sticks. The bloke is playing at it and it’s absolutely imperative he’s moved on ASAP.
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Post by watameires on Apr 5, 2024 20:32:42 GMT
I hope I’m wrong but i’m I’m not convinced we’ve seen anything other than a new manager bounce
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Post by redplanet on Apr 5, 2024 23:16:13 GMT
I hope I’m wrong but i’m I’m not convinced we’ve seen anything other than a new manager bounce New manger bounce???  What have you been watching? |
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Post by hongkongaddick on Apr 6, 2024 1:01:37 GMT
Anyone know what NJ’s current family issue is? Hoping it’s nothing serious and he’ll be in the dug out today.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Apr 6, 2024 10:37:51 GMT
To go ten games unbeaten with no creativity in the team is a fantastic achievement, anyone comparing Jones with Applecore needs to give their head a wobble.
If Jones had Miles, CBT and Frazer………oh I cannot be bothered.
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 6, 2024 11:51:44 GMT
To go ten games unbeaten with no creativity in the team is a fantastic achievement, anyone comparing Jones with Applecore needs to give their head a wobble. If Jones had Miles, CBT and Frazer………oh I cannot be bothered. Here's the thing: Leaburn should be back for August and there's every opportunity to recruit a new No. 10, new Keeper, replace Ladapo & Dobson etc We're not losing because we're not conceding nearly so many goals. |
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Post by roburwash on Apr 6, 2024 13:15:35 GMT
Pleased that under Jones we've secured enough point to (probably) avoid relegation, but going forward into next season the jury is still out about just how good a manager he will turn out to be.
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Post by redplanet on Apr 6, 2024 18:15:21 GMT
Pleased that under Jones we've secured enough point to (probably) avoid relegation, but going forward into next season the jury is still out about just how good a manager he will turn out to be. Your jury, maybe but mine is unanimously in favour. If he gets the players he wants. |
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Post by roburwash on Apr 6, 2024 19:15:03 GMT
Pleased that under Jones we've secured enough point to (probably) avoid relegation, but going forward into next season the jury is still out about just how good a manager he will turn out to be. Your jury, maybe but mine is unanimously in favour. If he gets the players he wants. Hope you're right. |
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Post by redplanet on Apr 6, 2024 20:01:03 GMT
Your jury, maybe but mine is unanimously in favour. If he gets the players he wants. Hope you're right. Me too, mate! |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Apr 6, 2024 20:08:02 GMT
Give him (Nathan) carte blanche on player recruitment this summer.
Look at the current Luton team - or Thierry Small - he’s already proved that he can pick a player.
If the ex Aldershot manager/ big time Charlie doesn’t like it, and wants a power struggle, bring it on …. some creative havoc behind the scenes for a couple of weeks may be no bad thing at the club in the long run.
There’s no doubt on whose side normal Charlton fans will be.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Apr 6, 2024 21:56:56 GMT
Give him (Nathan) carte blanche on player recruitment this summer. Look at the current Luton team - or Thierry Small - he’s already proved that he can pick a player. If the ex Aldershot manager/ big time Charlie doesn’t like it, and wants a power struggle, bring it on …. some creative havoc behind the scenes for a couple of weeks may be no bad thing at the club in the long run. There’s no doubt on whose side normal Charlton fans will be. Agreed. NJ’S work at Luton speaks for itself,I'm not saying he should automatically have every wish granted,but the evidence is there for all to see what he can do given the resources/time. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 2, 2024 11:46:13 GMT
I don't think you can ignore the positive impact that Leaburn had on Appleton's team before he was injured, and CBT was a genuine wide threat and outlet, which we now don't have whatsoever. I'd rather see Jones be able to pick a starting XI that could include Leaburn and CBT than not. It is an interesting stat, but potentially misleading when you consider the context. Jones took over when we were on freefall and essentially destined for relegation heading into the last part of the season. Appleton may have taken over after a disasterous start, but I don't think anyone (even the most negative on here) would've considered relegation as a potential when we sacked Dean. So there's a massive difference in the pressure for results imo. Also, as pointed out. When we had the likes of CBT and Miles, we had options and creativity going forwards. A turn of pace, even from Miles who could create things inside the box. Nathan on the other hand had effectively been left with a team where the recruitment was VERY much prioritising defence. We've looked to shut up shop. We've definitely seen improvement here, but the cost has been the fact we are horrendous in attack. Small is the only one with any real change of pace (with Ramsay injured). Movement is minimal, creativity is non-existent and often our tempo is slow and predictable of late. We've lost the intensity we had in the first 5-6 games Nathan was in charge. Maybe as the team feel they are effectively safe now?
I'm hoping this is just temporary, due to the squad we have available and Nathan wanting to mathetically secure safety before worrying to much about being able to really open teams up and create chances. We may seem him experimenting more (Pan, Fiorini, Taylor, Wickham, LuaLua, Campbell, etc) in the last few games if we get a win in the next few. This is not pleasant reading. Turns out, it wasn't temporary. We also still lack pace pretty much everywhere. We had two windows effectively recruiting defensive minded players. Maybe two more windows of attacking players and we can be a team! Groan.. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 3, 2024 14:35:44 GMT
Sone really refreshing comments from Nathan Jones this morning about our Summer transfer dealings. (Rich Cawley) A clear public warning to the SMT contained on there - Nathan wants “99% of our business done in JUNE” and doesn’t want to be six players short in “AUGUST”. He has clearly read up on the history of recent CAFC managers - Adkins, Garner and even Appleton went public on the transfer dysfunction at the club, and how it always sees us get off to a slow start when the season kicks off. There are no excuses this Summer - Nathan knows that successful promotion teams hit the ground running from Day One. No more poobah nonsense about “waiting for PL loans” ….lets get the squad in place quickly. Looks like 100% of the transfer business was completed June/July. There were no EPL loans as Jones preferred to spend the budget on ex-Luton players. Not clear that ceding 100% control to Jones is having the impact you envisaged, Nick. The irony of course is that our last promotion six years ago was secured with a blend of Academy players, signings funded by Duchatelet (in previous seasons) and some fantastic EPL loans such as Bielik and Cullen. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 14:51:29 GMT
Sone really refreshing comments from Nathan Jones this morning about our Summer transfer dealings. (Rich Cawley) A clear public warning to the SMT contained on there - Nathan wants “99% of our business done in JUNE” and doesn’t want to be six players short in “AUGUST”. He has clearly read up on the history of recent CAFC managers - Adkins, Garner and even Appleton went public on the transfer dysfunction at the club, and how it always sees us get off to a slow start when the season kicks off. There are no excuses this Summer - Nathan knows that successful promotion teams hit the ground running from Day One. No more poobah nonsense about “waiting for PL loans” ….lets get the squad in place quickly. Looks like 100% of the transfer business was completed June/July. There were no EPL loans as Jones preferred to spend the budget on ex-Luton players. Not clear that ceding 100% control to Jones is having the impact you envisaged, Nick. The irony of course is that our last promotion six years ago was secured with a blend of Academy players, signings funded by Duchatelet (in previous seasons) and some fantastic EPL loans such as Bielik and Cullen. The problem here is that the vast majority of us were not aware that Jones was just going to bring in midfield work horses and ex Luton mates rather than the creative quality required to get us out of this league and TBF previous recruitment processes had been so piss poor that fans including myself trusted Jones to improve upon this……. I would agree that a combo of academy players added to some quality loans can bring us success as long as the academy kids are good enough….Pope, Aribo,Karlan Grant etc…… we’re clearly well good enough…..Anderson, Kanu and TC are clearly not good enough yet…….. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Nov 9, 2024 17:44:57 GMT
I want Jones gone. If I could actually see a clear plan, some decent football, and maybe just a few missing pieces, I’d understand. But his tactics for League 1 are a joke, and on top of that, some of the players he’s recruited—likely his mates—are beyond a joke as well. He’s had backing and supposedly a top-six budget, yet he’s delivered this mess week after week.
At least last season, we had a focal point and a player like May, who everyone respected. With this current squad, though, I’m just lost for words.
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