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Post by newyorkaddick on Feb 13, 2024 22:35:22 GMT
If Jones intervened to keep Dobson and then dropped Coventry entirely from the squad (a Scott/Appleton signing) then Scott's position is completely untenable
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 13, 2024 22:44:04 GMT
Didn't hear one anti-Scott song from the fans tonight.
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Post by discocafc on Feb 13, 2024 23:04:51 GMT
Didn't hear one anti-Scott song from the fans tonight. I’m glad about that as well, don’t think it’ll help the team. The team needs support and no criticism of the club at this time.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 13, 2024 23:08:42 GMT
Rich Cawley making it very clear that Nathan Jones wishes to keep George Dobson beyond this season.
IMO we will see a Jones v Scott power struggle, with only one winner. Fan power always wins in the end.
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Post by Tom1982 on Feb 13, 2024 23:59:09 GMT
Was Coventry dropped? Some proper weird stuff going on at CAFC at the moment.
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Post by addickteduk on Feb 14, 2024 16:24:35 GMT
Didn't hear one anti-Scott song from the fans tonight. So what is your take on Dobbo situation then Reams? I know you don't feel he is anything overly special, but given our current situation and the fact that clearly most of the fans and NJ want him to stay....is it a done deal that he goes come end of season, or is there a chink of possibility he could stay mate?!
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 14, 2024 16:43:39 GMT
Only reason Dobson stays is if Scott isn't around I think.
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Post by addickteduk on Feb 14, 2024 18:57:36 GMT
Only reason Dobson stays is if Scott isn't around I think. I would be very happy for that scenario! Looks like NJ is directly challenging AS from the outset...this town aint big enough for the two of them!
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Post by manikin on Feb 14, 2024 19:08:24 GMT
I think Jones wouldn't loose any sleep if Scott were to go.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Feb 14, 2024 19:18:26 GMT
Let’s not dress this, the likes of Anderson and Bakinson would not get into any other league one side of any note, Bakinson couldn’t get a kick at the other clubs he has been at and you could tell on Tuesday night he lacked the basics to be a decent league one midfielder, personally I would have had Coventry in there as at least he can pass the ball
So we went from bidding for Collins to getting no number 10 in….. I get the thinking that it wasn’t an emergency as we had enough to keep us up….. well that theory has well and truly gone down the pan Our connection between midfield and forward line especially first half was non existent, there simply wasn’t any link up play because we didn’t have anyone in the middle of the park capable of doing this, and this is pure and simply down to crap recruitment
Let’s be honest we were piss poor before Aneke came on and we started hitting him early and bypassing the midfield, before this is it was very sad to watch For all of NJ’s after match talk of how outstanding we were second half and how many kids in the side blah blah blah we looked a relegation haunted side….. you can’t dress that up
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Post by aucklandaddick on Feb 14, 2024 19:20:06 GMT
Only reason Dobson stays is if Scott isn't around I think. I would be very happy for that scenario! Looks like NJ is directly challenging AS from the outset...this town aint big enough for the two of them! And quite rightly, so, regardless of the personnel involved any side with the budget we have had and as we are now looking at relegation that person should have been removed from post by now……
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 14, 2024 19:46:16 GMT
Let’s not dress this, the likes of Anderson and Bakinson would not get into any other league one side of any note, Bakinson couldn’t get a kick at the other clubs he has been at and you could tell on Tuesday night he lacked the basics to be a decent league one midfielder, personally I would have had Coventry in there as at least he can pass the ball So we went from bidding for Collins to getting no number 10 in….. I get the thinking that it wasn’t an emergency as we had enough to keep us up….. well that theory has well and truly gone down the pan Our connection between midfield and forward line especially first half was non existent, there simply wasn’t any link up play because we didn’t have anyone in the middle of the park capable of doing this, and this is pure and simply down to crap recruitment Let’s be honest we were piss poor before Aneke came on and we started hitting him early and bypassing the midfield, before this is it was very sad to watch For all of NJ’s after match talk of how outstanding we were second half and how many kids in the side blah blah blah we looked a relegation haunted side….. you can’t dress that up Auks , I passed on last week in good faith that Andy Scott didn’t bother replacing CBT or Fraser because his thinking is that Aneke will play 8-10 games, and score the goals in that time that keep us up.
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Post by barnstoneworth on Feb 14, 2024 19:49:46 GMT
I sit very close to Scott in the lower west and have shouted abuse at him, but I’ve very much been a lone voice.
We need a group of us to vocally tell him what we all think about him and to tell him to F**k off out of our club.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Feb 14, 2024 19:57:02 GMT
Let’s not dress this, the likes of Anderson and Bakinson would not get into any other league one side of any note, Bakinson couldn’t get a kick at the other clubs he has been at and you could tell on Tuesday night he lacked the basics to be a decent league one midfielder, personally I would have had Coventry in there as at least he can pass the ball So we went from bidding for Collins to getting no number 10 in….. I get the thinking that it wasn’t an emergency as we had enough to keep us up….. well that theory has well and truly gone down the pan Our connection between midfield and forward line especially first half was non existent, there simply wasn’t any link up play because we didn’t have anyone in the middle of the park capable of doing this, and this is pure and simply down to crap recruitment Let’s be honest we were piss poor before Aneke came on and we started hitting him early and bypassing the midfield, before this is it was very sad to watch For all of NJ’s after match talk of how outstanding we were second half and how many kids in the side blah blah blah we looked a relegation haunted side….. you can’t dress that up Auks , I passed on last week in good faith that Andy Scott didn’t bother replacing CBT or Fraser because his thinking is that Aneke will play 8-10 games, and score the goals in that time that keep us up. Deluded mate, our midfield couldn’t pass water on Tuesday night let alone set up chances for our forwards I must be watching a different game but I thought we were piss poor in there with Anderson and Bakinson, there were so many occasions when their first touch was non existent and the ball was given away…. and Lincoln were up there with the worst sides to come to the valley regardless of their current form Aneke will only get 20 mins a game and by then we will be chasing each game especially away from the Valley where we are always looking to give two goals away…. even when we won our only away game this season At home teams sit in and know we have no creativity to break them down and also know we have at least two defensive cock ups a game which will gift them at least one goal…. It’s been the pattern all season yet Scott didn’t think it was a priory to bring in a Pearcy type leader at the back to organise things I actually felt really sad rather than annoyed watching us struggle painfully for those first 60 mins and thinking how low we can actually fall I have been banging on boringly over the course of this season about the owners going out and getting someone like Phil Chappel or another recruitment person with a proven track record and excellant contacts in the game to come in to oversee our recruitment but this didn’t happen and we have sadly reaped what we have sowed unfortunately
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Post by aucklandaddick on Feb 14, 2024 19:59:25 GMT
Was Coventry dropped? Some proper weird stuff going on at CAFC at the moment. Surely peeps can see that Coventry is a far superior footballer than Bakinson… For a start he can actually control the football and pass it to a player wearing the same shirt .. or am I watching a different game to all? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Post by Tom1982 on Feb 14, 2024 21:05:27 GMT
Was Coventry dropped? Some proper weird stuff going on at CAFC at the moment. Surely peeps can see that Coventry is a far superior footballer than Bakinson… For a start he can actually control the football and pass it to a player wearing the same shirt .. or am I watching a different game to all? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Bakinson is up there with Christoph Lepoint and Dan Seabourn for me. Utter dross. Definitely need to use the ball better in the middle and that geezer ain’t it! Any word on Taylor?
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Post by DFT on Feb 15, 2024 7:49:28 GMT
I'd forgotten all about Taylor.
I wonder why it's so quiet on him.
Or have I missed it?
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Post by petetongthereturn on Feb 15, 2024 8:01:41 GMT
I'd forgotten all about Taylor. I wonder why it's so quiet on him. Or have I missed it? Probably injured again. Another player who we brought when he was injured at the time.
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Post by revilo on Feb 15, 2024 8:04:51 GMT
I'd forgotten all about Taylor. I wonder why it's so quiet on him. Or have I missed it? Last thing the club posted was about him having successful surgery in October but likely to be out for 3 to 4 months
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 15, 2024 8:05:47 GMT
I'd forgotten all about Taylor. I wonder why it's so quiet on him. Or have I missed it? Last thing the club posted was about him having successful surgery in October but likely to be out for 3 to 4 months He's been back in training for a few weeks. Played U21's a few weeks ago but didn't this week for some reason.
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Post by roburwash on Feb 15, 2024 11:07:11 GMT
Does Scott do his recruiting by visiting injured footballers in hospital?
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 15, 2024 12:58:38 GMT
Was Coventry dropped? Some proper weird stuff going on at CAFC at the moment. Surely peeps can see that Coventry is a far superior footballer than Bakinson… For a start he can actually control the football and pass it to a player wearing the same shirt .. or am I watching a different game to all? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 We can all make judgements of individual players, based upon one or more performances. What should be our main concern is how the midfield work as a unit, both creating chances as well as closing down the opposition. Just posted elsewhere that with a new formation, new players and new manager we're looking at a whole new ball game. One with the twin objectives of steering clear of the bottom four as well as assessing and building upon what we have. Ten years back we were in the Championship bottom six. In fact bottom of the table with 16 games to go. Fortunately Riga transformed our fortunes virtually overnight. Let's see where we are after a few more games.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Feb 15, 2024 13:43:59 GMT
Surely peeps can see that Coventry is a far superior footballer than Bakinson… For a start he can actually control the football and pass it to a player wearing the same shirt .. or am I watching a different game to all? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 We can all make judgements of individual players, based upon one or more performances. What should be our main concern is how the midfield work as a unit, both creating chances as well as closing down the opposition. Just posted elsewhere that with a new formation, new players and new manager we're looking at a whole new ball game. One with the twin objectives of steering clear of the bottom four as well as assessing and building upon what we have. Ten years back we were in the Championship bottom six. In fact bottom of the table with 16 games to go. Fortunately Riga transformed our fortunes virtually overnight. Let's see where we are after a few more games. The signs were on Tuesday that pretty football has gone out of the window in favour of making it difficult for the opposition. It could be that Coventry needs to up his fitness levels to play the pressing game that NJ wants. If AS really was relying on 8-12 games from Chuks, then he is every bit as deluded as posters are saying. I never had great expectations of this window as you you only generally get players that are not playing regularly for their club, therefore at best not match fit.
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 15, 2024 14:24:55 GMT
We can all make judgements of individual players, based upon one or more performances. What should be our main concern is how the midfield work as a unit, both creating chances as well as closing down the opposition. Just posted elsewhere that with a new formation, new players and new manager we're looking at a whole new ball game. One with the twin objectives of steering clear of the bottom four as well as assessing and building upon what we have. Ten years back we were in the Championship bottom six. In fact bottom of the table with 16 games to go. Fortunately Riga transformed our fortunes virtually overnight. Let's see where we are after a few more games. The signs were on Tuesday that pretty football has gone out of the window in favour of making it difficult for the opposition. It could be that Coventry needs to up his fitness levels to play the pressing game that NJ wants. If AS really was relying on 8-12 games from Chuks, then he is every bit as deluded as posters are saying. I never had great expectations of this window as you you only generally get players that are not playing regularly for their club, therefore at best not match fit.This is the key point. The only way to sign players that are playing regularly and are up to full fitness is to spend a small fortune on transfer fees and wages. All those calling for that will, no doubt, be the first to scream, when the club are having to sell players because we are failing the SCMP. If we over pay a player and he doesn't make it he will be on the wage bill and a burden, like Kirk was. The players we signed were brought in for a promotion challenge next season. Clearly we should have had one eye on a relegation battle but if, and this is not a certainty, we survive and the new signings will have been given a chance to get fit and show what they have to offer. I also agree that Aneke might not play the number of games Scott is calling for but he must have better information than we have. There was a poster on here, a few weeks ago, boasting that he knew, for a fact, that Aneke would not play again this season and that the club knew this and they were lying to us about it. That gives us a good idea how big the gap can be between a fan's 'guess' and what those that have the medical information, and the professional knowledge to analyse it, believe.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Feb 15, 2024 14:53:32 GMT
I always treat ITK fans with scepticism.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 15, 2024 14:55:54 GMT
I always treat ITK fans with scepticism. I always treat extremely complacent fans the same way.
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 15, 2024 14:59:39 GMT
The signs were on Tuesday that pretty football has gone out of the window in favour of making it difficult for the opposition. It could be that Coventry needs to up his fitness levels to play the pressing game that NJ wants. If AS really was relying on 8-12 games from Chuks, then he is every bit as deluded as posters are saying. I never had great expectations of this window as you you only generally get players that are not playing regularly for their club, therefore at best not match fit.This is the key point. The only way to sign players that are playing regularly and are up to full fitness is to spend a small fortune on transfer fees and wages. All those calling for that will, no doubt, be the first to scream, when the club are having to sell players because we are failing the SCMP. If we over pay a player and he doesn't make it he will be on the wage bill and a burden, like Kirk was. The players we signed were brought in for a promotion challenge next season. Clearly we should have had one eye on a relegation battle but if, and this is not a certainty, we survive and the new signings will have been given a chance to get fit and show what they have to offer. I also agree that Aneke might not play the number of games Scott is calling for but he must have better information than we have. There was a poster on here, a few weeks ago, boasting that he knew, for a fact, that Aneke would not play again this season and that the club knew this and they were lying to us about it. That gives us a good idea how big the gap can be between a fan's 'guess' and what those that have the medical information, and the professional knowledge to analyse it, believe. Totally agree that the club have the data, and ideally make plans and decisions accordingly. But football is full of uncertainties, weird events and general unpredictable outcomes. Many fans are looking for certainty which is understandable, but perhaps we might also look at the process, risks and approach too? The SMT chose to switch to 3-5-2 mid season AND recruit a significant number of players. But did they anticipate this dire run of results and the requirement to change manager? And how many of the 8-8-8 for next season did they expect to have in place for the run in? Certainly the eight Academy and eight journeymen! Way too early to judge how many "elite" players are on the books already. But the simplest equation is to take a view of the two keepers, then upgrade one... or perhaps they improve to the required standard. Then run that again for centre back , central midfield etc. But none of that takes account of culture, coaching, tactics, sports science etc. Ultimately the question comes down to whether they've taken on too much change and risk in one window? As opposed to where many agree that bedding in 16 players and recruiting "elite" players over the summer sounds sensible. Ultimately the owner / investors will decide, just add they will consider next seasons wage and transfer budget.
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Post by se7sm on Feb 15, 2024 15:19:43 GMT
The signs were on Tuesday that pretty football has gone out of the window in favour of making it difficult for the opposition. It could be that Coventry needs to up his fitness levels to play the pressing game that NJ wants. If AS really was relying on 8-12 games from Chuks, then he is every bit as deluded as posters are saying. I never had great expectations of this window as you you only generally get players that are not playing regularly for their club, therefore at best not match fit.This is the key point. The only way to sign players that are playing regularly and are up to full fitness is to spend a small fortune on transfer fees and wages. All those calling for that will, no doubt, be the first to scream, when the club are having to sell players because we are failing the SCMP. If we over pay a player and he doesn't make it he will be on the wage bill and a burden, like Kirk was. The players we signed were brought in for a promotion challenge next season. Clearly we should have had one eye on a relegation battle but if, and this is not a certainty, we survive and the new signings will have been given a chance to get fit and show what they have to offer. I also agree that Aneke might not play the number of games Scott is calling for but he must have better information than we have. There was a poster on here, a few weeks ago, boasting that he knew, for a fact, that Aneke would not play again this season and that the club knew this and they were lying to us about it. That gives us a good idea how big the gap can be between a fan's 'guess' and what those that have the medical information, and the professional knowledge to analyse it, believe. Forget the SCMP if billionaire owners want to throw in 100 million there’s nothing stopping them but just won’t get it back as it would be a donation and not a loan 😂basically if we wanted to push the boat out could of bought anyone but obviously the owners have got to up for it .🤔
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 15, 2024 15:55:45 GMT
This is the key point. The only way to sign players that are playing regularly and are up to full fitness is to spend a small fortune on transfer fees and wages. All those calling for that will, no doubt, be the first to scream, when the club are having to sell players because we are failing the SCMP. If we over pay a player and he doesn't make it he will be on the wage bill and a burden, like Kirk was. The players we signed were brought in for a promotion challenge next season. Clearly we should have had one eye on a relegation battle but if, and this is not a certainty, we survive and the new signings will have been given a chance to get fit and show what they have to offer. I also agree that Aneke might not play the number of games Scott is calling for but he must have better information than we have. There was a poster on here, a few weeks ago, boasting that he knew, for a fact, that Aneke would not play again this season and that the club knew this and they were lying to us about it. That gives us a good idea how big the gap can be between a fan's 'guess' and what those that have the medical information, and the professional knowledge to analyse it, believe. Forget the SCMP if billionaire owners want to throw in 100 million there’s nothing stopping them but just won’t get it back as it would be a donation and not a loan 😂basically if we wanted to push the boat out could of bought anyone but obviously the owners have got to up for it .🤔 100% And in turn the investors need to be comfortable with the SMT's ability to execute. Every club facing administration does so because their executive failed to secure promotion to the EPL and/or failed to hit revenue targets. That's to say the spending was approved up front but they anticipated rewards that never surfaced. Sunderland secured promotion soon after Methven and Rodwell left the executive - "Sunderland till I Die" series 3 is out now on Netflix covering the period when two new owners bought 41% of Sunderland to run but not fully control the club. (They now own 100% having bought out Methven and Donald) Irrespective of personalities the fly on the wall documentary style highlights how a 25 year old brought up inside Marseille football club made key strategic decisions ahead of the curve. Did they get lucky compared to Bauer's last minute winner back in 2019, or was it skilled execution?
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 15, 2024 16:09:13 GMT
This is the key point. The only way to sign players that are playing regularly and are up to full fitness is to spend a small fortune on transfer fees and wages. All those calling for that will, no doubt, be the first to scream, when the club are having to sell players because we are failing the SCMP. If we over pay a player and he doesn't make it he will be on the wage bill and a burden, like Kirk was. The players we signed were brought in for a promotion challenge next season. Clearly we should have had one eye on a relegation battle but if, and this is not a certainty, we survive and the new signings will have been given a chance to get fit and show what they have to offer. I also agree that Aneke might not play the number of games Scott is calling for but he must have better information than we have. There was a poster on here, a few weeks ago, boasting that he knew, for a fact, that Aneke would not play again this season and that the club knew this and they were lying to us about it. That gives us a good idea how big the gap can be between a fan's 'guess' and what those that have the medical information, and the professional knowledge to analyse it, believe. Forget the SCMP if billionaire owners want to throw in 100 million there’s nothing stopping them but just won’t get it back as it would be a donation and not a loan 😂basically if we wanted to push the boat out could of bought anyone but obviously the owners have got to up for it .🤔 Ask how that's going for Reading fans when the owner decides he no longer wants to spunk money into the club...
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