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Post by aaronaldo on May 15, 2023 17:51:52 GMT
I am reminded of a Charlton midfield legend who also got panned for not tackling. Paul Mortimer. However Morts always stood up to the player with the ball and forced a commitment which often led to a misplaced pass or the above interceptions. When has Fraser ever done similar? He can't intercept or tackle because he is hiding somewhere. I think it’s a valid concern if you’re saying Fraser can go missing. I do wonder about his attitude. Is it good/consistent enough for a promotion (top 2) push? I think he has the quality, but he can be anonymous, which is a concern. It’s going to depend on our budget for the year. I wouldn’t be against him moving on, if we brought in a more consistent performer who has the attacking focus and ability to make us tick. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 15, 2023 18:06:20 GMT
I am reminded of a Charlton midfield legend who also got panned for not tackling. Paul Mortimer. However Morts always stood up to the player with the ball and forced a commitment which often led to a misplaced pass or the above interceptions. When has Fraser ever done similar? He can't intercept or tackle because he is hiding somewhere. I think it’s a valid concern if you’re saying Fraser can go missing. I do wonder about his attitude. Is it good/consistent enough for a promotion (top 2) push? I think he has the quality, but he can be anonymous, which is a concern. It’s going to depend on our budget for the year. I wouldn’t be against him moving on, if we brought in a more consistent performer who has the attacking focus and ability to make us tick. Blimey we are going to need a bloody big budget to replace one of the most technically gifted midfield players in league one😳 How about we compliment him with better players around him and judge him in his goals and assists next season He shared a midfield this season with Morgan,Kilkenny, Henry and JFC….. enough said |
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Post by aaronaldo on May 15, 2023 18:16:54 GMT
I think it’s a valid concern if you’re saying Fraser can go missing. I do wonder about his attitude. Is it good/consistent enough for a promotion (top 2) push? I think he has the quality, but he can be anonymous, which is a concern. It’s going to depend on our budget for the year. I wouldn’t be against him moving on, if we brought in a more consistent performer who has the attacking focus and ability to make us tick. Blimey we are going to need a bloody big budget to replace one of the most technically gifted midfield players in league one😳 How about we compliment him with better players around him and judge him in his goals and assists next season He shared a midfield this season with Morgan,Kilkenny, Henry and JFC….. enough said Ha, yeah let’s see how we go! |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 1, 2024 17:34:14 GMT
Scott Fraser - a player who sums up the modern day Charlton.
“The best No.10 in the league” my arse.
Watch their second goal today, and look who fails to close down his man and bottles out of blocking the (winning) shot.
At a time when a team of kids is looking for experience and leadership on the pitch, Fraser is rapidly becoming one of the most disliked players in our recent history, and today’s little cameo is another explanation of why that is
Take 10 bob for him in January ….just get rid.
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Post by herewegoagain on Jan 1, 2024 17:39:04 GMT
Agree he is not up up to it. Have injuries taken there toll? Maybe? However he just trundles around the pitch, offers little to no defensive coverage, offers no real consistent attacking threat, so what does he bring to the team? If he is off to Scotland or wherever then good luck to him. We simply won’t miss him. We need better and he doesn’t offer it and he never will.
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Post by eric on Jan 1, 2024 17:50:18 GMT
Our two bob Scottish pirlo is fast becoming the new Charlie Kirk .
So called set piece specialist needs to do one .
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 1, 2024 18:07:43 GMT
Scott Fraser - a player who sums up the modern day Charlton. “The best No.10 in the league” my arse. Watch their second goal today, and look who fails to close down his man and bottles out of blocking the (winning) shot. At a time when a team of kids is looking for experience and leadership on the pitch, Fraser is rapidly becoming one of the most disliked players in our recent history, and today’s little cameo is another explanation of why that is Take 10 bob for him in January ….just get rid. To me it looked like Dobson who just stood and watched the Oxford player tee himself up for the winning goal. Too late in closing him down. Dobson is shite, so overrated, can't run, can't head the ball yet he's the first name on the teamsheet. Frase just can't do what he is good at because of the crap that is all around him. n |
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Post by cafcjack83 on Jan 1, 2024 18:31:02 GMT
Scott Fraser - a player who sums up the modern day Charlton. “The best No.10 in the league” my arse. Watch their second goal today, and look who fails to close down his man and bottles out of blocking the (winning) shot. At a time when a team of kids is looking for experience and leadership on the pitch, Fraser is rapidly becoming one of the most disliked players in our recent history, and today’s little cameo is another explanation of why that is Take 10 bob for him in January ….just get rid. To me it looked like Dobson who just stood and watched the Oxford player tee himself up for the winning goal. Too late in closing him down. Dobson is shite, so overrated, can't run, can't head the ball yet he's the first name on the teamsheet. Frase just can't do what he is good at because of the crap that is all around him. n Fraser can't put his body on the line because of the crap around him? Good players stand up to be counted when the chips are down and frankly at this level and or situation were in he isn't good enough |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 1, 2024 19:51:43 GMT
Scott Fraser - a player who sums up the modern day Charlton. “The best No.10 in the league” my arse. Watch their second goal today, and look who fails to close down his man and bottles out of blocking the (winning) shot. At a time when a team of kids is looking for experience and leadership on the pitch, Fraser is rapidly becoming one of the most disliked players in our recent history, and today’s little cameo is another explanation of why that is Take 10 bob for him in January ….just get rid. I have watched the feedback and disgree with you about Fraser not closing down. He was covering an Oxford player, caught in two minds whether to go towards the man with the ball or stay with the nearest man. Dobson eventually made a move to close down the space but it was too late. Protecting your own back for in that kind of situation was a poor call by him. Your priority should always be to trying to stop what's in front of you, not what's behind. www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13040602/charlton-1-2-oxford-league-one-highlights |
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Post by garrynelson on Jan 1, 2024 20:29:26 GMT
Scott Fraser - a player who sums up the modern day Charlton. “The best No.10 in the league” my arse. Watch their second goal today, and look who fails to close down his man and bottles out of blocking the (winning) shot. At a time when a team of kids is looking for experience and leadership on the pitch, Fraser is rapidly becoming one of the most disliked players in our recent history, and today’s little cameo is another explanation of why that is Take 10 bob for him in January ….just get rid. I have watched the feedback and disgree with you about Fraser not closing down. He was covering an Oxford player, caught in two minds whether to go towards the man with the ball or stay with the nearest man. Dobson eventually made a move to close down the space but it was too late. Protecting your own back for in that kind of situation was a poor call by him. Your priority should always be to trying to stop what's in front of you, not what's behind. www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13040602/charlton-1-2-oxford-league-one-highlightsI’ve seen it differently to you in that case. Fraser gets caught in two minds and ends up doing nothing - Dobson leaves his man and runs to close the Oxford player down (who was around 5 yards closer to Fraser than he was Dobson) Dobson was the only one who looked like closing anyone down in that phase of play |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 1, 2024 20:30:27 GMT
Dobson didn't have a man though....Fraser did. Have a look at what Dobson did as the ball was played inside. He took a quick peak behind him at the dangers and deemed there wasn't any so why did he take so long in trying to cover the shot?
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Post by garrynelson on Jan 1, 2024 20:31:44 GMT
Dobson didn't have a man though....Fraser did. He left the man he was closest to to stop the man who Fraser was closest to from getting a shot off - this one is on Fraser |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 1, 2024 20:36:49 GMT
Dobson didn't have a man though....Fraser did. He left the man he was closest to to stop the man who Fraser was closest to from getting a shot off - this one is on Fraser He shouldn't have been that deep in the first place though. Why drop so deep to defend your back four within shooting range? |
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Post by stu2020 on Jan 1, 2024 20:45:31 GMT
He shouldn’t have even been on the pitch… but we are generally poor at closing down under Appleton… I was just waiting for the goal..
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Post by garrynelson on Jan 1, 2024 21:00:13 GMT
He left the man he was closest to to stop the man who Fraser was closest to from getting a shot off - this one is on Fraser He shouldn't have been that deep in the first place though. Why drop so deep to defend your back four within shooting range? From the clip on the highlights (I wasn’t at the game) it appears Dobson is down by the corner of the 18 yard box as that is where play was before being passed inwards to the deeper lying Oxford player - had Dobson not been where he was, the play would probably have gone direct toward AMB’s goal |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 1, 2024 21:18:35 GMT
He shouldn't have been that deep in the first place though. Why drop so deep to defend your back four within shooting range? From the clip on the highlights (I wasn’t at the game) it appears Dobson is down by the corner of the 18 yard box as that is where play was before being passed inwards to the deeper lying Oxford player - had Dobson not been where he was, the play would probably have gone direct toward AMB’s goal Have to agree to disagree. He is too defence minded. If he reads that passage of play better he would have advance himself into position where he intercepts the pass to the lad who scores. I agree Fraser is closer but he is anticipating a run from the player he is covering. Im not suure AMB covered himself in glory either. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 1, 2024 22:16:53 GMT
From the clip on the highlights (I wasn’t at the game) it appears Dobson is down by the corner of the 18 yard box as that is where play was before being passed inwards to the deeper lying Oxford player - had Dobson not been where he was, the play would probably have gone direct toward AMB’s goal Have to agree to disagree. He is too defence minded. If he reads that passage of play better he would have advance himself into position where he intercepts the pass to the lad who scores. I agree Fraser is closer but he is anticipating a run from the player he is covering. Im not suure AMB covered himself in glory either. Just seen replays from two angles. The guy Fraser goes to close is level with the one with the ball, but closer to the touchline. At the same time Fraser indicates to Dobbo to close the man with the ball. End of the day shots from that distance rarely trouble the keeper. And there are plenty of errors at this level. What is a concern however was Fraser's piss poor corners and crossing. Chem Campbell is head and shoulders above him in this regard so Fraser not even the best No. 10 at our club! What bothers me has been Appleton's refusal to utilise both Campbells and L. Watson more given the issues we have had in midfield and on the right wing. Ideally Scott addresses squad weaknesses ASAP. This in turn will give Appleton no hiding place re injuries, not his players etc. I'm not a football expert but just can't see Fraser as a core player to help us climb the League. 12 months back I did... a time when we had Dobson, Fraser and... no, let's not go there! |
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Post by revilo on Jan 2, 2024 8:03:03 GMT
Have to agree to disagree. He is too defence minded. If he reads that passage of play better he would have advance himself into position where he intercepts the pass to the lad who scores. I agree Fraser is closer but he is anticipating a run from the player he is covering. Im not suure AMB covered himself in glory either. Just seen replays from two angles. The guy Fraser goes to close is level with the one with the ball, but closer to the touchline. At the same time Fraser indicates to Dobbo to close the man with the ball. End of the day shots from that distance rarely trouble the keeper. And there are plenty of errors at this level. What is a concern however was Fraser's piss poor corners and crossing. Chem Campbell is head and shoulders above him in this regard so Fraser not even the best No. 10 at our club! What bothers me has been Appleton's refusal to utilise both Campbells and L. Watson more given the issues we have had in midfield and on the right wing. Ideally Scott addresses squad weaknesses ASAP. This in turn will give Appleton no hiding place re injuries, not his players etc. I'm not a football expert but just can't see Fraser as a core player to help us climb the League. 12 months back I did... a time when we had Dobson, Fraser and... no, let's not go there! It's the KPIs. If there are KPIs to achieve, this is the sole reason L Watson not been playing, so that more of the academy have an opportunity. Appleton saying that Watson hasn't been good enough is him lying to follow orders. I'd love someone to ask Scott about this. |
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Post by revilo on Apr 2, 2024 7:14:09 GMT
Just checked how Fraser is getting on. He's not played a minute in the last 4 games. Certainly missing his technical ability.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Apr 2, 2024 7:20:03 GMT
Just checked how Fraser is getting on. He's not played a minute in the last 4 games. Certainly missing his technical ability. Apples played him in the double pivot which was a complete waste of time and waste of ability season before he scored 9 and had quite a few assists playing in the more advanced roll so it beggars belief on the decision making going on here |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Apr 2, 2024 17:18:16 GMT
Just checked how Fraser is getting on. He's not played a minute in the last 4 games. Certainly missing his technical ability. Apples played him in the double pivot which was a complete waste of time and waste of ability season before he scored 9 and had quite a few assists playing in the more advanced roll so it beggars belief on the decision making going on here Hearts dropped him from bit parts as AM to bit parts as DM to dropped completely. Pretty sure they will RTS him at the end of the season. What do we do then? |
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Post by kings hill addick on Apr 3, 2024 9:12:28 GMT
Apples played him in the double pivot which was a complete waste of time and waste of ability season before he scored 9 and had quite a few assists playing in the more advanced roll so it beggars belief on the decision making going on here Hearts dropped him from bit parts as AM to bit parts as DM to dropped completely. Pretty sure they will RTS him at the end of the season. What do we do then? I don't think he has it in him to do the AM role anymore. He had a nasty knee injury shortly after he arrived with us - probably had it when we signed him. That plus the rumours of Long Covid makes me think that he has been moved back from AM to DM (by, at least, two managers now) and he isn't suited to that role. I suspect that he will do a pre-season with us and then we will look to loan him out again. If MK Dons don't go up this season he could probably do a job for them in the forth division. We seem to like doing them a favour. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Apr 3, 2024 14:08:45 GMT
Hearts dropped him from bit parts as AM to bit parts as DM to dropped completely. Pretty sure they will RTS him at the end of the season. What do we do then? I don't think he has it in him to do the AM role anymore. He had a nasty knee injury shortly after he arrived with us - probably had it when we signed him. That plus the rumours of Long Covid makes me think that he has been moved back from AM to DM (by, at least, two managers now) and he isn't suited to that role. I suspect that he will do a pre-season with us and then we will look to loan him out again. If MK Dons don't go up this season he could probably do a job for them in the forth division. We seem to like doing them a favour. MK Dons have a surpisingly good midfield for L2. In fact there's two of them I'd like us to sign in the summer: Dan Kemp and (Leeds loanee) Lewis Bate. Including a Fraser loan in a deal for Kemp wouldn't be the maddest idea. It also wouldn't surprise me if MK offer Jack Payne a perm deal when his loan (and Charlton contract) expires in the summer. They're like the factory outlet store for Charlton midfielders. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 3, 2024 18:11:12 GMT
Hearts dropped him from bit parts as AM to bit parts as DM to dropped completely. Pretty sure they will RTS him at the end of the season. What do we do then? I don't think he has it in him to do the AM role anymore. He had a nasty knee injury shortly after he arrived with us - probably had it when we signed him. That plus the rumours of Long Covid makes me think that he has been moved back from AM to DM (by, at least, two managers now) and he isn't suited to that role. I suspect that he will do a pre-season with us and then we will look to loan him out again. If MK Dons don't go up this season he could probably do a job for them in the forth division. We seem to like doing them a favour. We got rid of Gilbey far too soon and he was treated shabbily in my opinion. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Apr 3, 2024 18:33:05 GMT
I don't think he has it in him to do the AM role anymore. He had a nasty knee injury shortly after he arrived with us - probably had it when we signed him. That plus the rumours of Long Covid makes me think that he has been moved back from AM to DM (by, at least, two managers now) and he isn't suited to that role. I suspect that he will do a pre-season with us and then we will look to loan him out again. If MK Dons don't go up this season he could probably do a job for them in the forth division. We seem to like doing them a favour. We got rid of Gilbey far too soon and he was treated shabbily in my opinion. I think that Mr Gilbey agrees with you! |
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