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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 12:19:48 GMT
The fella in front of me summed Fraser up well yesterday. He shouted “get involved Fraser you lazy C**t” he must have been about 12.
For me a player responsibilities are simple. Don’t hide and give 100%. All this nonsense about building a team around him, being miles ahead of everyone and playing to his strengths are not vindicated by his performances. He is the one that wants to get a call up, if he really wants to do that he has a perfect opportunity to do that in the dead rubber games we have left.
If memory serves me right Ipswich paid 700k for him and he lasted 6 months. You can’t possibly build a trellis around him let alone a team. Something has to change in Fraser not CAFC.
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Post by thesunisred on Mar 20, 2022 12:25:46 GMT
Gilbey is another player where we are not making the most of his strengths. He is proven at this level, having played over 200 games. He was also MK Dons player of the year for the two years prior to us buying him. I am convinced that Dobson, Gilbey and Fraser, if played correctly, can be very effective. Unfortunately Gilbey’s stats (which is how we should judge him) say otherwise. That's the thing Ants, his career stat do show that there is a player in there. We just need to find a way to exploit his strengths. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Mar 20, 2022 12:29:23 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that Fraser ain’t all that. I was very suspicious that Ipswich dumped him so easily and now they seem to have improved some what. Like Kirk another marquee signing that is looking like we got sold a duff. No good buying players and not utilising them properly,SF will be built around next season you would hope.CK looks to be on his way,Blackpool may already have the option to buy? If so please don't give him away TS. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Mar 20, 2022 12:36:38 GMT
The same excuse was made for Captain Pointer aka Alex Gilbey last season. The truth is , Gilbey just turned out not to be very good. Hopefully Fraser turns out better. Gilbey is another player where we are not making the most of his strengths. He is proven at this level, having played over 200 games. He was also MK Dons player of the year for the two years prior to us buying him. I am convinced that Dobson, Gilbey and Fraser, if played correctly, can be very effective. Like the blend of those three listed,IF we can get them working as a cohesive unit? |
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Post by jonkool on Mar 20, 2022 13:08:58 GMT
Gilbey is another player where we are not making the most of his strengths. He is proven at this level, having played over 200 games. He was also MK Dons player of the year for the two years prior to us buying him. I am convinced that Dobson, Gilbey and Fraser, if played correctly, can be very effective. Like the blend of those three listed,IF we can get them working as a cohesive unit? To date Gilbey has flattered to deceive. He makes the occasional rampaging runs towards the end of games but my suspicion is that he doesn’t make himself sufficiently available to team mates which would be confirmed or otherwise by opta stats. He has had his fair share of longer injuries/covid but he needs to up his game big time! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 13:27:35 GMT
The fella in front of me summed Fraser up well yesterday. He shouted “get involved Fraser you lazy C**t” he must have been about 12. For me a player responsibilities are simple. Don’t hide and give 100%. All this nonsense about building a team around him, being miles ahead of everyone and playing to his strengths are not vindicated by his performances. He is the one that wants to get a call up, if he really wants to do that he has a perfect opportunity to do that in the dead rubber games we have left. If memory serves me right Ipswich paid 700k for him and he lasted 6 months. You can’t possibly build a trellis around him let alone a team. Something has to change in Fraser not CAFC. Disagree- sometime clubs, coaches, teams need to accommodate talent |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Mar 20, 2022 13:29:06 GMT
Like the blend of those three listed,IF we can get them working as a cohesive unit? To date Gilbey has flattered to deceive. He makes the occasional rampaging runs towards the end of games but my suspicion is that he doesn’t make himself sufficiently available to team mates which would be confirmed or otherwise by opta stats. He has had his fair share of longer injuries/covid but he needs to up his game big time! Not sure yesterday was a good day to judge anyone much, but I have noticed that Gilbey does seem to be accepting more responsibility recently. That middle three does have potential imo. |
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Post by DFT on Mar 20, 2022 13:30:31 GMT
The fella in front of me summed Fraser up well yesterday. He shouted “get involved Fraser you lazy C**t” he must have been about 12. For me a player responsibilities are simple. Don’t hide and give 100%. All this nonsense about building a team around him, being miles ahead of everyone and playing to his strengths are not vindicated by his performances. He is the one that wants to get a call up, if he really wants to do that he has a perfect opportunity to do that in the dead rubber games we have left. If memory serves me right Ipswich paid 700k for him and he lasted 6 months. You can’t possibly build a trellis around him let alone a team. Something has to change in Fraser not CAFC. Blimey, what is your problem with Fraser? You've really got it in for him! I don't think we've seen anywhere near enough of him to make any sort of judgement. Back off a bit and give the fella time to settle in. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 13:47:13 GMT
The fella in front of me summed Fraser up well yesterday. He shouted “get involved Fraser you lazy C**t” he must have been about 12. For me a player responsibilities are simple. Don’t hide and give 100%. All this nonsense about building a team around him, being miles ahead of everyone and playing to his strengths are not vindicated by his performances. He is the one that wants to get a call up, if he really wants to do that he has a perfect opportunity to do that in the dead rubber games we have left. If memory serves me right Ipswich paid 700k for him and he lasted 6 months. You can’t possibly build a trellis around him let alone a team. Something has to change in Fraser not CAFC. Blimey, what is your problem with Fraser? You've really got it in for him! I don't think we've seen anywhere near enough of him to make any sort of judgement. Back off a bit and give the fella time to settle in. You know at Xmas as a kid and you’re told you have a great expensive present which you’ll love and your led to believe it’s better than a PlayStation and you play with a couple of times and realise it is a really shit Nintendo It then dawns on you that the tangerine and the plastic tool set from the local market from uncle Lenny is more useful. That’s how I feel about Fraser. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 13:52:23 GMT
We need to get rid of the coaching staff before judging him that way
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Post by earlpurple on Mar 20, 2022 17:36:11 GMT
Fraser didn't impress me much when I saw him as an Ipswich player earlier in the season, and Darren Pratley was able to play him out of the game last season when we visited MK Dons. And after they sold him they've became one of the best teams in the division.
He may turn out to be an ok player with the right team around him playing the style of football that suits him. Not sure he's good enough to "build a team around him" though.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 21, 2022 0:29:09 GMT
The fella in front of me summed Fraser up well yesterday. He shouted “get involved Fraser you lazy C**t” he must have been about 12. For me a player responsibilities are simple. Don’t hide and give 100%. All this nonsense about building a team around him, being miles ahead of everyone and playing to his strengths are not vindicated by his performances. He is the one that wants to get a call up, if he really wants to do that he has a perfect opportunity to do that in the dead rubber games we have left. If memory serves me right Ipswich paid 700k for him and he lasted 6 months. You can’t possibly build a trellis around him let alone a team. Something has to change in Fraser not CAFC. Clueless. Fraser is used to playing with the ball on the deck not up in the fucking air. People rave on about Stockley and Washington but they are the problem as far as Im concerned because as long as they are here all we'll see is hoof ball. Fraser created goal after goal for Rhys Healey at MK Dons who is now the leading scorer in Lique 2 in France while playing for at Toulouse in France. You don't buy a player maker and set up in a way that doesn't suit him but being Charlton that's exactly what we do because we are totally out of touch with the technical side of the game, it's hoofball all the way and it's shit to watch. The club needs stripping bare, the whole set up is done on the cheap and it's rotten to the core. A dozen players need to go as do the owner, Gallen and the entire coaching staff. The whole playing side is stuck in a rut. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Mar 21, 2022 0:49:58 GMT
The fella in front of me summed Fraser up well yesterday. He shouted “get involved Fraser you lazy C**t” he must have been about 12. For me a player responsibilities are simple. Don’t hide and give 100%. All this nonsense about building a team around him, being miles ahead of everyone and playing to his strengths are not vindicated by his performances. He is the one that wants to get a call up, if he really wants to do that he has a perfect opportunity to do that in the dead rubber games we have left. If memory serves me right Ipswich paid 700k for him and he lasted 6 months. You can’t possibly build a trellis around him let alone a team. Something has to change in Fraser not CAFC. Clueless. Fraser is used to playing with the ball on the deck not up in the fucking air. People rave on about Stockley and Washington but they are the problem as far as Im concerned because as long as they are here all we'll see is hoof ball. Fraser created goal after goal for Rhys Healey at MK Dons who is now the leading scorer in Lique 2 in France while playing for at Toulouse in France. You don't buy a player maker and set up in a way that doesn't suit him but being Charlton that's exactly what we do because we are totally out of touch with the technical side of the game, it's hoofball all the way and it's shit to watch. The club needs stripping bare, the whole set up is done on the cheap and it's rotten to the core. A dozen players need to go as do the owner, Gallen and the entire coaching staff. The whole playing side is stuck in a rut I have to agree with you there Reams, in the first half Fraser and Gilbey must have had sore necks watching the ball being hoofed over their heads by our back four…especially Purrington…… We beat a very poor side on Saturday who TBH out passed us in the first half and lost the game due to some shocking Sunday morning style defending…. The game for me was summed by a moment when Stockley turned into acres of space with the whole of the left hand side of the pitch available for CBT to get the ball and run into, instead Stockley tried to play a Hollywood pass and hoofed it straight to the Burton keeper…….and I got up at 4.00am to watch this……😳 We will not beat decent sides playing this style of football…..and 11000 punters in on a game for a fiver tells us our supporters do not want to see it either… We need a complete overhaul of players in the summer bringing in technically better footballers to play with Dobson and Fraser but whether we have the nous in our recruitment team to achieve this is another story…….. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Mar 21, 2022 0:54:06 GMT
Fraser didn't impress me much when I saw him as an Ipswich player earlier in the season, and Darren Pratley was able to play him out of the game last season when we visited MK Dons. And after they sold him they've became one of the best teams in the division. He may turn out to be an ok player with the right team around him playing the style of football that suits him. Not sure he's good enough to "build a team around him" though. Sorry but have to disagree, Fraser took the absolute piss out of us for MK at the Valley last season because MK play the ball to feet and pass and move and we couldn’t get near him for 90 minutes…..We don’t pass and move….. we just pass backwards, sidewards and then hoof it onto the oppositions centre backs heads and hope to win the second ball, which a lot of the time we don’t…. We need more Frasers recruited in the summer and less hoof ball merchants…it’s as simple as that….. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Mar 21, 2022 8:13:57 GMT
The fella in front of me summed Fraser up well yesterday. He shouted “get involved Fraser you lazy C**t” he must have been about 12. For me a player responsibilities are simple. Don’t hide and give 100%. All this nonsense about building a team around him, being miles ahead of everyone and playing to his strengths are not vindicated by his performances. He is the one that wants to get a call up, if he really wants to do that he has a perfect opportunity to do that in the dead rubber games we have left. If memory serves me right Ipswich paid 700k for him and he lasted 6 months. You can’t possibly build a trellis around him let alone a team. Something has to change in Fraser not CAFC. Fraser v Gillingham run the mid he took control and everything we did came from him .. against Burton you need to look at both sides he was not allowed to get a grip on the game like Gilbey and CBT found it tough getting space and the ball that’s credit to Burton and to us for changing our tactics during the game and winning the game |
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Post by revilo on Mar 21, 2022 8:39:25 GMT
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Post by manikin on Mar 21, 2022 9:17:19 GMT
I like many others knows how he feels. |
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Post by earlpurple on Mar 21, 2022 9:24:07 GMT
the thing is that defenders will make errors on long balls over the top, as we have done ourselves, and as West Ham did yesterday for the 3rd goal - ok I know Spurs have Kane and Son but it didn't need to be those two against West Ham's defending for the 3rd goal, whereby a long ball came over, 2 defenders both went towards the ball with neither of them ever going to get it, whilst the 3rd defender on the other side was too deep thus playing Son onside.
So if that can happen in the Premier League it can happen in League One too. I've never seen us able to pass the ball into the net - maybe Manchester City can do it, but not many clubs can.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 9:58:31 GMT
We need to get rid of the coaching staff before judging him that way That’s my worry after being at Saturday’s game (which will probably be my last this season, like Dodger and a lot of others, I’ve had enough). The coaching team of JJ, Euell and Skiverton appear clueless. It gives me no pleasure to say that in JJ & JE’s case, as both have been distinguished club servants. Skiverton is a different matter, I can’t see any improvement at all since he joined the coaching set up. You can have Iniesta and Xavi in your central midfield, but when your sole tactic amounts to Sam Lavelle hitting the ball 70 yards towards Stockley, they are going to have zero impact on the game. Fraser is a senior pro now with international aspirations- you would hope that he has pulled JJ aside to ask WTF is going on with these tactics, and his own role in the team. |
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Mar 21, 2022 12:53:09 GMT
The fella in front of me summed Fraser up well yesterday. He shouted “get involved Fraser you lazy C**t” he must have been about 12. For me a player responsibilities are simple. Don’t hide and give 100%. All this nonsense about building a team around him, being miles ahead of everyone and playing to his strengths are not vindicated by his performances. He is the one that wants to get a call up, if he really wants to do that he has a perfect opportunity to do that in the dead rubber games we have left. If memory serves me right Ipswich paid 700k for him and he lasted 6 months. You can’t possibly build a trellis around him let alone a team. Something has to change in Fraser not CAFC. Fraser v Gillingham run the mid he took control and everything we did came from him .. against Burton you need to look at both sides he was not allowed to get a grip on the game like Gilbey and CBT found it tough getting space and the ball that’s credit to Burton and to us for changing our tactics during the game and winning the game Blimey I'm agreeing with Bexleyboy. I think when Fraser went off against Gillingham. We lost our way a bit. |
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Post by manikin on Mar 21, 2022 15:00:31 GMT
Fraser v Gillingham run the mid he took control and everything we did came from him .. against Burton you need to look at both sides he was not allowed to get a grip on the game like Gilbey and CBT found it tough getting space and the ball that’s credit to Burton and to us for changing our tactics during the game and winning the game Blimey I'm agreeing with Bexleyboy. I think when Fraser went off against Gillingham. We lost our way a bit. It's bound to happen one day, it happen to me once, but then I agreed with him on cricket and it was Christmas. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 26, 2022 17:38:03 GMT
We need to get rid of the coaching staff before judging him that way That’s my worry after being at Saturday’s game (which will probably be my last this season, like Dodger and a lot of others, I’ve had enough). The coaching team of JJ, Euell and Skiverton appear clueless. It gives me no pleasure to say that in JJ & JE’s case, as both have been distinguished club servants. Skiverton is a different matter, I can’t see any improvement at all since he joined the coaching set up. You can have Iniesta and Xavi in your central midfield, but when your sole tactic amounts to Sam Lavelle hitting the ball 70 yards towards Stockley, they are going to have zero impact on the game. Fraser is a senior pro now with international aspirations- you would hope that he has pulled JJ aside to ask WTF is going on with these tactics, and his own role in the team. Precisely why we need a DoF who sets the football strategy and ensures delivery. Strong football leadership is the way to ensure we climb six places a season year after year. Today we are five wins behind sixth placed Wednesday. Jackson started as interim four wins behind the top six. Give him five quality additions, renewals for Washington, Purrington and Matthews together with management by a DoF with a track record and we will make progress. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 8:37:40 GMT
It seems that Scott Fraser is out injured for the rest of the season.
There’s a risk that we will end up with another Charlie Kirk on our hands, a talented player who gets bogged down in the Charlton swamp.
There is clearly a player in there at this level, and one who could / should be the fulcrum of our midfield next season under a competent manager and coaching team.
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 16, 2022 10:22:46 GMT
The team should be built around him but it won't. If you can lump the ball from one half to the other and aim for a target man then please sign here.................
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Post by norfolkrobin on Apr 16, 2022 12:13:17 GMT
It seems that Scott Fraser is out injured for the rest of the season. There’s a risk that we will end up with another Charlie Kirk on our hands, a talented player who gets bogged down in the Charlton swamp. There is clearly a player in there at this level, and one who could / should be the fulcrum of our midfield next season under a competent manager and coaching team. Fraser:Creative force at this level Kirk:Good winger,who's been plying his trade in the league above. These two HAVE to form part of our midfield next season,already on the books and have the quality for this level. 3-5-2 Can't be our only option anymore,I'm not expecting JJ to become Pep overnight,but a little flexibility is required. |
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Post by woblerone on Apr 16, 2022 19:38:06 GMT
JJ's tactics have been rumbled by most managers & teams....same old every game....& doesn't know how to use & get the best out of players consistently....need a manager that can adapt to the opposition
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 8:58:07 GMT
JJ's tactics have been rumbled by most managers & teams....same old every game....& doesn't know how to use & get the best out of players consistently....need a manager that can adapt to the opposition Morecambe manager Derek Adams dismantled Jackson’s game plan in three sentences after the defeat on Friday. You can’t play 3-5-2 with wing backs who aren’t wing backs, and with a team of coasters who don’t press. Watch Blackwood Taylor lose his man and then jog back for Morecambe’s first goal, and then Pearce fail to close down their striker for the second goal. Then Matthews with his back to the ball slowly jog towards a (poor) clearance from MacGillivray. All three goals were schoolboy stuff. Chris Hughton gave an excellent analysis on MOTD of how Brighton - a supremely well drilled, organised and fit team, play the pressing game correctly. The likes of Alex Gilbey wouldn’t get near to Brighton’s 4th team, if they had one. |
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Post by smudge7946 on Apr 17, 2022 11:58:10 GMT
Fraser will be player of the season next year.
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Post by Mundell on Apr 17, 2022 13:45:49 GMT
JJ's tactics have been rumbled by most managers & teams....same old every game....& doesn't know how to use & get the best out of players consistently....need a manager that can adapt to the opposition Morecambe manager Derek Adams dismantled Jackson’s game plan in three sentences after the defeat on Friday. You can’t play 3-5-2 with wing backs who aren’t wing backs, and with a team of coasters who don’t press. Watch Blackwood Taylor lose his man and then jog back for Morecambe’s first goal, and then Pearce fail to close down their striker for the second goal. Then Matthews with his back to the ball slowly jog towards a (poor) clearance from MacGillivray. All three goals were schoolboy stuff. Chris Hughton gave an excellent analysis on MOTD of how Brighton - a supremely well drilled, organised and fit team, play the pressing game correctly. The likes of Alex Gilbey wouldn’t get near to Brighton’s 4th team, if they had one. I watched an hour or so long interview with Jackson during the time he was assistant to Lee Bowyer. I can’t remember where I came across it, but it wasn’t on one of the Charlton platforms. Anyway, it was about his career to date and was actually fairly interesting. The final questions were about Jackson’s aspirations to become a manager and once he had confirmed he’d like to manage one day Jackson was asked about his football philosophy and what type of manager he’d be. Having been very open and chatty thus far in the discussion he didn’t seem to know what to say. He started by saying he/we (referring to Bowyer) liked players to be fully committed and to work hard. To say the least I was underwhelmed. Is that all? Then, almost as an after thought, perhaps having realised his answer was completely inadequate, he said ‘I like to play two up front’. To be fair, lots of managers say little of any real substance when interviewed, but I was seriously unimpressed. It wouldn’t have been hard for him to say something about how they work with the players in training for example, but the response he gave was entirely vacuous. I wasn’t at all surprised when he took over from Adkins that his first instinct was to get the players working much harder or that he immediately played two upfront. The move to 3-5-2, which I don’t think was his idea, was designed simply to allow two up top without being overrun in midfield. Nor was I surprised that the immediate effect of this was positive. However, it’s simply not possible to sustain high tempo, ‘pinball’ football for long and at no stage since Jackson took charge have we looked capable of playing any form of controlled, possession football or building play through the thirds. In short, we have no clear pattern of play and don’t look coached. I may well be proven wrong, but I’ve never felt Jackson is the right man for the job. We need to appoint a decent coach (not a classic ‘manager’) who will set out to improve the players both individually and collectively. Moreover, if we have a clear and coherent style of play recruitment will immediately become much less hit and miss. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Apr 17, 2022 16:01:40 GMT
Morecambe manager Derek Adams dismantled Jackson’s game plan in three sentences after the defeat on Friday. You can’t play 3-5-2 with wing backs who aren’t wing backs, and with a team of coasters who don’t press. Watch Blackwood Taylor lose his man and then jog back for Morecambe’s first goal, and then Pearce fail to close down their striker for the second goal. Then Matthews with his back to the ball slowly jog towards a (poor) clearance from MacGillivray. All three goals were schoolboy stuff. Chris Hughton gave an excellent analysis on MOTD of how Brighton - a supremely well drilled, organised and fit team, play the pressing game correctly. The likes of Alex Gilbey wouldn’t get near to Brighton’s 4th team, if they had one. I watched an hour or so long interview with Jackson during the time he was assistant to Lee Bowyer. I can’t remember where I came across it, but it wasn’t on one of the Charlton platforms. Anyway, it was about his career to date and was actually fairly interesting. The final questions were about Jackson’s aspirations to become a manager and once he had confirmed he’d like to manage one day Jackson was asked about his football philosophy and what type of manager he’d be. Having been very open and chatty thus far in the discussion he didn’t seem to know what to say. He started by saying he/we (referring to Bowyer) liked players to be fully committed and to work hard. To say the least I was underwhelmed. Is that all? Then, almost as an after thought, perhaps having realised his answer was completely inadequate, he said ‘I like to play two up front’. To be fair, lots of managers say little of any real substance when interviewed, but I was seriously unimpressed. It wouldn’t have been hard for him to say something about how they work with the players in training for example, but the response he gave was entirely vacuous. I wasn’t at all surprised when he took over from Adkins that his first instinct was to get the players working much harder or that he immediately played two upfront. The move to 3-5-2, which I don’t think was his idea, was designed simply to allow two up top without being overrun in midfield. Nor was I surprised that the immediate effect of this was positive. However, it’s simply not possible to sustain high tempo, ‘pinball’ football for long and at no stage since Jackson took charge have we looked capable of playing any form of controlled, possession football or building play through the thirds. In short, we have no clear pattern of play and don’t look coached. I may well be proven wrong, but I’ve never felt Jackson is the right man for the job. We need to appoint a decent coach (not a classic ‘manager’) who will set out to improve the players both individually and collectively. Moreover, if we have a clear and coherent style of play recruitment will immediately become much less hit and miss. Your post, Mundell, is both frightening and likely to be true. The future is, most certainly, not very bright. |
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