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Post by 995632 on Feb 5, 2022 13:40:07 GMT
Stats can be misleading but it’s still impressive as far as I’m concerned! No guarantees,but the stats suggest if utilised properly he could be a massive player for us. Cough... Maddison... Cough... Kirk... |
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Post by jonkool on Feb 5, 2022 19:17:56 GMT
No guarantees,but the stats suggest if utilised properly he could be a massive player for us. Cough... Maddison... Cough... Kirk... Now now 10 points from the past 4 games so let’s put a positive spin on the signing until proved otherwise  |
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 5, 2022 20:28:12 GMT
Cough... Maddison... Cough... Kirk... Now now 10 points from the past 4 games so let’s put a positive spin on the signing until proved otherwise It's been looking good since Aneke came back. We had a poor run of four before that. |
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Post by 995632 on Feb 5, 2022 20:36:13 GMT
Cough... Maddison... Cough... Kirk... Now now 10 points from the past 4 games so let’s put a positive spin on the signing until proved otherwise I meant based on their stats that both Maddison and Kirk should've been better players for us and been greater assets to the team. Unfortunately statistical form can't just be transplanted into a new team, there's too many factors involved. If it was the case then our front two of Ajose and Novak should've scored 40+ goals between them a few seasons ago. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 5, 2022 20:53:48 GMT
Now now 10 points from the past 4 games so let’s put a positive spin on the signing until proved otherwise It's been looking good since Aneke came back. We had a poor run of four before that. Aneke is a big presence but doesn't carry enough of a threat. Been saying for ages we need a different type of striker. |
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Post by AndyB on Feb 5, 2022 21:12:47 GMT
It's been looking good since Aneke came back. We had a poor run of four before that. Aneke is a big presence but doesn't carry enough of a threat. Been saying for ages we need a different type of striker. A mature Burstow? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 5, 2022 23:04:37 GMT
A Karlan Grant or Clive Mendonca type player, Andy Hunt even.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 15, 2022 12:01:44 GMT
Watched Scott's interview at Sparrows Lane on the day that he joined us yesterday.
One of the main reasons he did so was to try and force his way into the Scotland squad having told he had gone close during his MK Dons days.
I feel for the lad if he thinks he will achieve that playing for a basket case club like us.
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Post by tonaddick on Feb 15, 2022 13:41:40 GMT
Watched Scott's interview at Sparrows Lane on the day that he joined us yesterday. One of the main reasons he did so was to try and force his way into the Scotland squad having told he had gone close during his MK Dons days. I feel for the lad if he thinks he will achieve that playing for a basket case club like us. You've got to love ambition. But which of Gilmour, McGinn, McGregor, Armstrong, McTominay, Turnbull, McLean and Jack does he think he would be displacing by joining us? |
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Post by ExeterAddick on Mar 19, 2022 18:18:51 GMT
Perhaps I'm being harsh, but the lad has been totally anonymous since coming in. The game just passes him by.
It doesn't help that we hoof it miles over his head rather than rolling it into feet, mind you.
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Post by essexaddick on Mar 19, 2022 18:40:12 GMT
Perhaps I'm being harsh, but the lad has been totally anonymous since coming in. The game just passes him by. It doesn't help that we hoof it miles over his head rather than rolling it into feet, mind you. You have highlighted the reason. If you keep missing out the midfield he will never be in the game. |
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Post by tonaddick on Mar 19, 2022 18:41:24 GMT
Perhaps I'm being harsh, but the lad has been totally anonymous since coming in. The game just passes him by. It doesn't help that we hoof it miles over his head rather than rolling it into feet, mind you. I had some mates down the other week, who were Dundee United fans and were keen to know how we was doing. Their view was that he was technically very good, but a bit of a sand dancer, who often went missing when it became physical. Hard to tell today as his main role seemed to be trying to calm everyone down, while watching the ball being launched over his head. |
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Post by revilo on Mar 19, 2022 18:53:57 GMT
Fraser needs the ball to feet. Unfortunately we just like to smash it up the field.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 19, 2022 20:53:58 GMT
It;s why I don't fucking bother anymore. No cunt at the club knows a good footballer when he see's one. They have not got a clue how to use him.
Jackson needs to revert back to a no.2 or a coach and we need to bring somebody in who realises what Fraser has and build s a team around him.
I'm so disinterested at the moment and feel totally detached from the club.
Going to Doncaster next Saturday but going to the races not the football as it's the curtain raiser on the turf, The Lincoln Handicap.
Believe me if I got there and it was abandoned for any reason I would go home. I just don't want to watch any team that exists under Sandgaard and Jackson's cluelessness.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 20:58:44 GMT
It;s why I don't fucking bother anymore. No cunt at the club knows a good footballer when he see's one. They have not got a clue how to use him. Jackson needs to revert back to a no.2 or a coach and we need to bring somebody in who realises what Fraser has and build s a team around him. I'm so disinterested at the moment and totally detached from the club. Going to Doncaster next Saturday but going to the races as it;s the curtain raiser on the turf, The Lincoln. Believe me if I got there and it was abandoned for any reason I would go home. I just don't want to watch any side that exists under Sandgaard and Jackson's cluelessness. I watched Fraser carefully today, sad to say it but due to poor coaching and tactics he’s another one who looks lost playing for us. He should be linking the front two with the midfield at the top of a diamond, instead the ball either went 40 ft over his head, or he received an over hit Exocet from the likes of Clare. Fraser will be become another Charlie Kirk unless we are careful. |
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Post by thesunisred on Mar 20, 2022 8:27:11 GMT
There seems to be a rush to judgement around Fraser. He joined mid season (always more difficult), has had to recover from covid, and has only started a handful of matches. He is a very good player and I'm sure that given time we will see the best of him.
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Post by manikin on Mar 20, 2022 9:02:59 GMT
The way we are playing at the moment the game is passing him by, in fact you could say that about the whole midfield. This surely has to be put right as a priority or we ain't going nowhere, certainly not up!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 9:42:21 GMT
There seems to be a rush to judgement around Fraser. He joined mid season (always more difficult), has had to recover from covid, and has only started a handful of matches. He is a very good player and I'm sure that given time we will see the best of him. The same excuse was made for Captain Pointer aka Alex Gilbey last season. The truth is , Gilbey just turned out not to be very good. Hopefully Fraser turns out better. |
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Post by Mundell on Mar 20, 2022 9:44:38 GMT
Sadly, at least from my perspective, the problem is very clear. We simply don’t try to play controlled, passing football. This makes it very difficult for skilful players who are most comfortable in teams that do.
There are teams in League Two and in the National League that play much better ‘football’ than we do. That’s not because they’ve got better players and nor are they necessarily successful. It’s simply that they’ve made clear choices and their players are being coached accordingly.
We are a complete muddle. We need to decide how we want to play, recruit accordingly and then coach to the chosen style. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that Scott Fraser doesn’t look the player he was at MK Dons last season.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Mar 20, 2022 9:48:08 GMT
Sadly, at least from my perspective, the problem is very clear. We simply don’t try to play controlled, passing football. This makes it very difficult for skilful players who are most comfortable in teams that do. There are teams in League Two and in the National League that play much better ‘football’ than we do. That’s not because they’ve got better players and nor are they necessarily successful. It’s simply that they’ve made clear choices and their players are being coached accordingly. We are a complete muddle. We need to decide how we want to play, recruit accordingly and then coach to the chosen style. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that Scott Fraser doesn’t look the player he was at MK Dons last season. What's baffling about this is that, when Jacko first came in, we actually did play some nice football at times with largely the same players. I'm hoping this hoofball we've resorted to is to just help us grind out some results, and once we've completely avoided relegation we might return to a more patient, progressive style? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 10:21:07 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that Fraser ain’t all that. I was very suspicious that Ipswich dumped him so easily and now they seem to have improved some what.
Like Kirk another marquee signing that is looking like we got sold a duff.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 20, 2022 10:30:25 GMT
People who are doubting Fraser don't know jack shit about football.
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Post by thesunisred on Mar 20, 2022 10:41:36 GMT
There seems to be a rush to judgement around Fraser. He joined mid season (always more difficult), has had to recover from covid, and has only started a handful of matches. He is a very good player and I'm sure that given time we will see the best of him. The same excuse was made for Captain Pointer aka Alex Gilbey last season. The truth is , Gilbey just turned out not to be very good. Hopefully Fraser turns out better. Gilbey is another player where we are not making the most of his strengths. He is proven at this level, having played over 200 games. He was also MK Dons player of the year for the two years prior to us buying him. I am convinced that Dobson, Gilbey and Fraser, if played correctly, can be very effective. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 10:51:20 GMT
We shouldn’t be hoping players turn out better or waiting for them to bed in. When we bought him I checked the Ipswich fans board and they seemed quite happy to see him go.
He may come good, but based on the performances so far he is about an exciting as buying a toilet brush.
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Post by revilo on Mar 20, 2022 10:54:46 GMT
Scott Fraser is miles above everyone else. We just need to play to his strengths. Writing him off already is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 11:02:15 GMT
The same excuse was made for Captain Pointer aka Alex Gilbey last season. The truth is , Gilbey just turned out not to be very good. Hopefully Fraser turns out better. Gilbey is another player where we are not making the most of his strengths. He is proven at this level, having played over 200 games. He was also MK Dons player of the year for the two years prior to us buying him. I am convinced that Dobson, Gilbey and Fraser, if played correctly, can be very effective. Unfortunately Gilbey’s stats (which is how we should judge him) say otherwise. Two league goals all season and a handful of assists - it’s pitiful. He’s good at pointing at his team mates and hiding on the pitch - a Sunday league version of Josh Cullen. As for Fraser, surely it’s difficult to judge him at the moment ? We are back to playing to Stockley’s strengths, as we did at the beginning of the season under Adkins. That means largely bypassing the midfield, and knocking it long. |
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Post by manikin on Mar 20, 2022 11:06:27 GMT
It's the way we are playing, we just don't build an attack from defence, the midfield is almost superfluous.
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Post by Mundell on Mar 20, 2022 11:33:17 GMT
The same excuse was made for Captain Pointer aka Alex Gilbey last season. The truth is , Gilbey just turned out not to be very good. Hopefully Fraser turns out better. Gilbey is another player where we are not making the most of his strengths. He is proven at this level, having played over 200 games. He was also MK Dons player of the year for the two years prior to us buying him. I am convinced that Dobson, Gilbey and Fraser, if played correctly, can be very effective. I’m just a regular fan with no background in football, but my perspective, for what it’s worth, is that the challenge is as much about blend as it is about individual players. Whatever we might think about Dobson, Gilbey and Fraser as individuals, the real question is whether there is a team structure and style of play which is likely to get the best out of all three? I know I’m in a small minority, but while Dobson has been terrific since coming back into the side, I’m not convinced he’s capable of playing at a higher level or suited to a more ‘cultured’ style of play in which the pivot is the lynch pin in working the ball out from the back and through the thirds. Gilbey too has his strengths, but he’s not really a pass and move footballer either. For me it’s an open question whether a style of play which will get the best out of Fraser would also see Dobson and Gilbey shine, and vice versa. It seems to me that since Lee Bowyer took over as manager we’ve had a tendency to sign ‘good players’ (or players we thought were good), but with no real vision for how they’d fit a particular game plan. Once players have arrived they’re then expected to ‘get stuck in’ and ‘leave it all out there on the pitch’, but often without any recognition of their strengths (or weaknesses) or how to get the best out of them. This can work when you happen to assemble an exceptional squad of individuals (as we did in 2018-19), but that costs money and more often than not it’s very wasteful. Initially, Thomas Sandgaard seemed to understand this, probably based on advice from Ged Roddy, but the execution appears to have gone to hell in a hand cart, perhaps explaining how it is we can enjoy a top three budget (apparently) and yet sit 15th in the table and play some of the most uninspiring and unattractive football in the division. I really hope we get to see the best of Scott Fraser in a Charlton shirt, but for that to happen I suspect we might need to see quite a lot change around him. |
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Post by jonkool on Mar 20, 2022 12:02:07 GMT
I’m sure we will see a great deal of change b4 the season starts in early July but I’m far from convinced it will be a change for the good just more of the ongoing dysfunction.
Hope and pray I’m wrong!
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Post by DFT on Mar 20, 2022 12:14:21 GMT
When we bought him I checked the Ipswich fans board and they seemed quite happy to see him go. That's odd because there was a post on here with a link to one of the Ipswich forums and they were NOT happy to see him go and said that he hadn't been given a proper chance and were quite impressed by him when he did play. Perhaps someone could find and repost the link to that forum. I've looked back on this thread and I can't find it. I'm sure I didn't dream it  |
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