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Post by canaddick on Mar 13, 2017 19:50:54 GMT
I think the reason they stick together is the principle of it being a fan run event. It's not for the club to dictate who the fans want to organize their own event.
We all have to work with people we don't like, but it's rare that we dictate to our clients who we want to work with.
Mrs Heulin is entitled to her opinion and to express it. It's unfortunate her candid comments went to the wrong person, but this is a fight the club didn't need to enter into. Given the current situation, surely the best course of action for the club would be to swallow it, and have a quiet word with Mr Wallace with regards how working relationships could be improved next time.
There's a world of difference between working together to try to resolve a problem and telling someone (your customer) how it must be resolved. That's not to say it should be ignored, but the club has blotted its copybook with the fans once again and entirely unnecessarily. If it's given ammunition to those who stand in opposition to the owner and his CEO, then it's all the more foolish isn't it?
In the event, everyone's a loser when it could have been the opposite with a little forbearance. Perhaps on both sides, but ultimately it's the club's reaction to the 'catalyst' as someone described it that has produced this outcome in my view.
Mountains and molehills and all that.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 20:09:17 GMT
I think the reason they stick together is the principle of it being a fan run event. It's not for the club to dictate who the fans want to organize their own event. We all have to work with people we don't like, but it's rare that we dictate to our clients who we want to work with. Mrs Heulin is entitled to her opinion and to express it. It's unfortunate her candid comments went to the wrong person, but this is a fight the club didn't need to enter into. Given the current situation, surely the best course of action for the club would be to swallow it, and have a quiet word with Mr Wallace with regards how working relationships could be improved next time. There's a world of difference between working together to try to resolve a problem and telling someone (your customer) how it must be resolved. That's not to say it should be ignored, but the club has blotted its copybook with the fans once again and entirely unnecessarily. If it's given ammunition to those who stand in opposition to the owner and his CEO, then it's all the more foolish isn't it? In the event, everyone's a loser when it could have been the opposite with a little forbearance. Perhaps on both sides, but ultimately it's the club's reaction to the 'catalyst' as someone described it that has produced this outcome in my view. Mountains and molehills and all that. This event could have gone ahead under the same format as it's always done just without Huelin's involvement. That's what's petty about this nothing else, it's not the BAFTA FFS! or the PFA Player of the year award! The supporters have taken a stance on this which means that's it, that is the end because this isn't a temporary measure she has been told her involvement will not be required and I assume that means beyond this season too. With that in mind, if her colleagues either can't or won't continue with the organising without her, the club will take it over and take it on from here. No good biting your nose off to spite your face and that's what Mr Wallace and co have done.
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Post by canaddick on Mar 13, 2017 20:26:49 GMT
Reams I would say that's not the question. The question is why the club felt they have a right to dictate to the organising committee how it is constituted for an event that isn't theirs. They have a right to decline custom of course, but that doesn't make it a wise decision.
I believe you can only justify the club's position in this if you want to support the CEO regardless of her own behaviour. Any business who treated their customers in this way would lose them. In individual cases you probably wouldn't worry, but if it was your primary client without whom you could not operate you might think twice.
The rights and wrongs of what Mrs Heulin did are one thing, but it is in the club's own gift how they react. And it is my view that whilst there may be two wrongs at play, the club are definitely in the wrong here at a time when they tell us they're trying to build bridges.
Like I say, it's folly.
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Post by canaddick on Mar 13, 2017 20:29:17 GMT
By the way, it's also my view that the club and Mr Wallace might come together separately and plan a better way of working. It's an event owned by fans and for fans. It's not for the club to dictate that, but of course they can substantially enrich it if both parties came out of the trenches. Reading Mr Wallace's post on the other forum, it seems he was already compromising with the club and it was they who were intransigent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 20:33:05 GMT
I can understand the POTY organisers being loyal to one of their own, regardless of whether others see that as right or wrong. As an outsider who does not know any of the personalities involved, I would say that if I had accidentally sent such a controversial email to the wrong people, I would accept that I should voluntarily step away from the event in order to save it for everybody else. But this incident did not happen in a vacuum. I guess the underlying situation is so fractious that nobody is willing to back down.
However, the practical consequence is no POTY event this season, which is a great pity for all the Charlton fans who enjoy it.
If there is to be no fan-organised event, it only seems a logical step for the Club to organise a similar event for itself. Fans who have an ideological objection to attending can stay away. Other fans can attend if they so wish. We are all free to choose.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 20:34:04 GMT
By the way, it's also my view that the club and Mr Wallace might come together separately and plan a better way of working. That is indeed exactly what should have happened once Jean Huelin's position became untenable.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 20:47:06 GMT
I think we should all just move on now and see what becomes of it in a few weeks, nothing we can do here to influence things one way or the other.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 20:51:10 GMT
Yes, but how was my post hacked and words put into my mouth which I didn't say?
If someone is hacking my account, that's spooked me. I'm deleting the two posts containing words that I didn't write and then getting the hell out of here...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 20:56:05 GMT
Yes, but how was my post hacked and words put into my mouth which I didn't say? If someone is hacking my account, that's spooked me. I'm deleting the two posts containing words that I didn't write and then getting the hell out of here... Hang on @incorruptibleaddick don't disappear yet! Your post was edited by reamsofverse several minutes after you posted it. Perhaps he can help you solve this mystery...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 20:58:55 GMT
Yes, but how was my post hacked and words put into my mouth which I didn't say? If someone is hacking my account, that's spooked me. I'm deleting the two posts containing words that I didn't write and then getting the hell out of here... Hang on @incorruptibleaddick don't disappear yet! Your post was edited by reamsofverse several minutes after you posted it. Perhaps he can help you solve this mystery... No, I won't disappear, lardi - but I'm going to delete my account and rejoin with a new password. Words were written into my post which were not mine. That's hacking and it's scary...
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 20:59:43 GMT
Yes, but how was my post hacked and words put into my mouth which I didn't say? If someone is hacking my account, that's spooked me. I'm deleting the two posts containing words that I didn't write and then getting the hell out of here... Hang on @incorruptibleaddick don't disappear yet! Your post was edited by reamsofverse several minutes after you posted it. Perhaps he can help you solve this mystery... Eh?? where's that happened? Seriously no intention, maybe I thought I was editing one of my own posts, which one is it of IA's?
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 21:01:57 GMT
I'm confused, which post of IA's are we talking about please?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 21:05:25 GMT
I'm confused, which post of IA's are we talking about please? It was a post now deleted. It looked as if IA had crossed a line through a quote about Jean Huelin being kind to children and animals, and put in the words "otherwise known as CARD". When I saw it, the message had IA's non-avatar beside it (rather than your picture), and it said posted by incorruptibleaddick 40 minutes ago and in the bottom corner it said edited by reamsofverse 20 minutes ago.It could well be a genuine accident. I did ask IA by PM to send you a PM before he disappeared, but I think he had already deleted his profile by the time I sent my message.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 21:45:55 GMT
Hang on @incorruptibleaddick don't disappear yet! Your post was edited by reamsofverse several minutes after you posted it. Perhaps he can help you solve this mystery... No, I won't disappear, lardi - but I'm going to delete my account and rejoin with a new password. Words were written into my post which were not mine. That's hacking and it's scary... Any need for the over reaction? My post was the last on the thread but I wanted to edit it and scrolled down to the page and did so without realising another post had been added by IA so it appears I have edited IA's instead. No hackers I can assure you just a f**k up!
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 21:49:15 GMT
I'm confused, which post of IA's are we talking about please? It was a post now deleted. It looked as if IA had crossed a line through a quote about Jean Huelin being kind to children and animals, and put in the words "otherwise known as CARD". When I saw it, the message had IA's non-avatar beside it (rather than your picture), and it said posted by incorruptibleaddick 40 minutes ago and in the bottom corner it said edited by reamsofverse 20 minutes ago.It could well be a genuine accident. I did ask IA by PM to send you a PM before he disappeared, but I think he had already deleted his profile by the time I sent my message.Ah right that's it, I thought I had quoted that thread and took out all IA'text bar the part that said she's kind to animals and Children but put a strike through the words animals and children and said that'll be CARD then!! I made a mistake through watching the Cork City game and wasn't concentrating on what I was doing!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 22:04:10 GMT
A mix-up and a misunderstanding, nothing more sinister than that. These things happen occasionally, but there is almost always a simple and harmless explanation. I would suggest to anybody else who might notice something odd with one of their posts or another aspect of the forum; contact reamsofverse by PM and discuss it with him. It could be human error or a glitch, but it's very unlikely to be anything too serious.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 25, 2017 20:14:51 GMT
This subject has gone very quiet since the usual organisers of the event cancelling it.
I did hear the club were considering taking it on but nothing more since but if it is still their intention to do so why not name the POTY trophy after PC Keith Palmer.
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Post by Cindy Blue on Mar 25, 2017 20:38:29 GMT
This subject has gone very quiet since the usual organisers of the event cancelling it. I did hear the club were considering taking it on but nothing more since but if it is still their intention to do so why not name the POTY trophy after PC Keith Palmer.Nice idea.
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Post by webbo on Mar 25, 2017 21:03:03 GMT
This subject has gone very quiet since the usual organisers of the event cancelling it. I did hear the club were considering taking it on but nothing more since but if it is still their intention to do so why not name the POTY trophy after PC Keith Palmer. I suppose they could organise a new trophy. They could organise the POTY do. They could publicise it and sell tickets. They could get the votes in. I don't believe they have the ability to do it. On the subject of votes apparently there was voting for the new fans body last Thursday. I am assuming that means the new fans body that has been highlighted here since January. I don't know anything about such elections as I am not a season ticket holder, but I assume all existing season ticket holders have been fully involved in the process. I understand from statements from the club that the new fans body will be introduced before the end of the season. I don't qualify as a proper supporter because I have not been included in last Thursday's elections, so any new fan body won't be speaking in my name for what that's worth. I remain a member of the Trust and feel confident that they speak for me, or that I can influence what they say or do according to proper procedure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 21:14:34 GMT
...On the subject of votes apparently there was voting for the new fans body last Thursday. I am assuming that means the new fans body that has been highlighted here since January. I don't know anything about such elections as I am not a season ticket holder, but I assume all existing season ticket holders have been fully involved in the process... I'm a season ticket holder, and I haven't received any information regarding this. There must be some other criteria for inclusion in this 'vote', possibly Valley Gold membership? (I'm not a member of that) or being a member of some other existing Club-organised fans' group. Or something fans can do via the website? Either way, as a ST holder who doesn't visit the official website much, I have heard nowt about it.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 25, 2017 21:30:28 GMT
This subject has gone very quiet since the usual organisers of the event cancelling it. I did hear the club were considering taking it on but nothing more since but if it is still their intention to do so why not name the POTY trophy after PC Keith Palmer. I suppose they could organise a new trophy. They could organise the POTY do. They could publicise it and sell tickets. They could get the votes in. I don't believe they have the ability to do it. On the subject of votes apparently there was voting for the new fans body last Thursday. I am assuming that means the new fans body that has been highlighted here since January. You assume wrong mate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 9:54:39 GMT
I suppose they could organise a new trophy. They could organise the POTY do. They could publicise it and sell tickets. They could get the votes in. I don't believe they have the ability to do it. On the subject of votes apparently there was voting for the new fans body last Thursday. I am assuming that means the new fans body that has been highlighted here since January. You assume wrong mate. The club have done nothing in relation to the POTY or the new fans body
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 27, 2017 10:07:55 GMT
Plenty of time, it's not like they're going anywhere is it?.
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