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Post by MurciaAl on Mar 13, 2017 9:26:40 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 9:49:16 GMT
A perfect summing up Al. The outpouring of man love on the other forum is as cringeworthy as it gets, that centipede of the human kind just gets longer and longer, they have more anoraks than Millets!!.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 10:34:26 GMT
Hi all,
Let's be honest here, this could have all been avoided if certain people had just left the event alone as they were advised by several members of staff.
Jean's email, while wrong was hardly abusive the member of staff who has found it offensive was not KM, although it appears that she took the final decision to bar Jean from communicating with club staff.
We now have another needless task of trying to clean a social media mess that Rick & Co are spinning to all and sundry. This could have been avoided and is now using up resources that we could be putting to better use elsewhere in the organisation.
For the record, Ian's email that he put up on CL is unedited and the rumour going around I=on Twitter that KM was away all weekend on a hen is correct, as is the Ronny Rosenthal story (That's all I know on that subject)
For the record, I still don't get the out pouring of love for Jean
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 10:59:49 GMT
the member of staff who has found it offensive was not KM, although it appears that she took the final decision to bar Jean from communicating with club staff. Because not unreasonably , the employees who had been traduced ( including I think Jack O'Sullivan, the supporter development officer who is a highly competent and motivated member of staff, as we found out when he organised the ITTV meeting), told the CEO that they found it impossible to work with Huelin under the circs....
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 11:07:38 GMT
Hi all, Let's be honest here, this could have all been avoided if certain people had just left the event alone as they were advised by several members of staff. Jean's email, while wrong was hardly abusive the member of staff who has found it offensive was not KM, although it appears that she took the final decision to bar Jean from communicating with club staff. We now have another needless task of trying to clean a social media mess that Rick & Co are spinning to all and sundry. This could have been avoided and is now using up resources that we could be putting to better use elsewhere in the organisation. For the record, Ian's email that he put up on CL is unedited and the rumour going around I=on Twitter that KM was away all weekend on a hen is correct, as is the Ronny Rosenthal story (That's all I know on that subject) For the record, I still don't get the out pouring of love for Jean Paul. Hello again wingwizard I don't think the club went looking to get involved in the event to be honest, her email and her messages on CL that the club are aware of meant that they had no option but to intervene, I don't see why that is so difficult for others to understand but clearly the others I am referring to are blinded by the loyalty shown to one of their own. Her 'Piss up in a brewery' comments weren't that bad to be honest, it's a phrase we hear used in every day life but you can't to refer to somebody like that then expect them to want you to be involved in something that like it or not does involve the club, as they are providing the players and the venue . Would you want to be somebody like Joe Aribo going up to collect an award from somebody who has insulted your bosses? You can't put a player in that position whether it be a youngster or a senior pro and once that was said then I'm afraid there was only going to be one outcome. Out of interest wingwizard when you say "We now have another needless task of trying to clean a social media mess that Rick & Co are spinning to all and sundry".....Who are we? Everitt is good at this, causing storms in a tea cup then blocking you when you take him to task, he loves stirring the shit then leaving it for others to take the flak but he can't avoid it forever and he will be politely be questioned on the spot on film in the near future and we'll see how he reacts to that and what he has to say. As for Katrien, she was on a hen weekend so what, I don't see the problem but clearly her critics do and are clearly making a mountain out of a mole hill again, it's harassment, she has a life outside of football and if that means that once in a blue moon it takes her out of London for the weekend so what, there are some extremely sad people who support our club believe me and those that monitor her every move need therapy it just isn't an issue, she would have cleared it with her boss first like we all do so it hasn't got anything to do with anybody else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 11:16:16 GMT
Reams,
Believe me, the club and one person in particular wanted to get involved just like they did last year. Read into that what you must.
Whilst I agree with what other people have, and are saying about Jean they don't actually have to deal with her. This to me is handbags at ten paces and gives the protestors ammunition just when their protests had started to fade into a sea of calm.
All pointless and needless.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 11:19:55 GMT
I think the Jean Huelin is innocent campaigners have been looking for a scapegoat since this story came out but are barking up the wrong tree with Jack because I have met him and spoken to him by phone and he's a top guy, level headed, sensible and doesn't need anybody to speak on his behalf by saying he was the one offended.
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Post by johnnyh2 on Mar 13, 2017 11:22:47 GMT
the member of staff who has found it offensive was not KM, although it appears that she took the final decision to bar Jean from communicating with club staff. Because not unreasonably , the employees who had been traduced ( including I think Jack O'Sullivan, the supporter development officer who is a highly competent and motivated member of staff, as we found out when he organised the ITTV meeting), told the CEO that they found it impossible to work with Huelin under the circs.... Do we know if Jack O Sullivan organised the meeting with the Trust for Saturday that had to be pulled as the CEO was on Annual Leave?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 11:36:03 GMT
I think the Jean Huelin is innocent campaigners have been looking for a scapegoat since this story came out but are barking up the wrong tree with Jack because I have met him and spoken to him by phone and he's a top guy, level headed, sensible and doesn't need anybody to speak on his behalf by saying he was the one offended. Reams,
It was Jack that was offended, which I found strange as he seems like an all round nice guy who is going places.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 11:37:05 GMT
Well that surprises me but if he gets the email what is he supposed to do, keep quiet about it?
The email put him in a very awkward position and he did the right thing.
Was Jack copied in to the email in error or KM? If it was Jack perhaps he was asked to keep ignore it and not take it any further, perhaps that's what offended him rather than the email content itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 11:38:01 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 11:43:38 GMT
Sorry ww I was responding to johnny's post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 11:45:21 GMT
Well that surprises me but if he gets the email what is he supposed to do, keep quiet about it? The email put him in a very awkward position and he did the right thing. Was Jack copied in to the email in error or KM? If it was Jack perhaps he was asked to keep ignore it and not take it any further, perhaps that's what offended him rather than the email content itself. Jack done the right thing in reporting it, but let's be honest here, it's hardly offensive is it? Saying that, it was from Jean..!!
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 11:52:08 GMT
This is it wing wizard, the answer is no, it wasn't too offensive but perhaps it was deemed as offensive enough on the back of her countless personal threads about KM on the other forum.
She is not alone in that I admit but nobody else sent the email.
Her insults and spiteful insulting behaviour on the other forum has been an eye opener for weeks if not months and some of her comments are not fitting of a woman in her 70's.
She makes a noise over there almost daily, and has been bitching none stop about KM and RD with one comment about the Belgian protests testing Roland's health was totally tasteless.
Don't forget the Regime have known who the core actors are for some time and her name is on every list although I never had her down for being a bit of a vinegar pisser!!
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Post by squareball on Mar 13, 2017 12:07:07 GMT
The email is not offensive but it demonstrates the contempt she has for club staff. It's a no brainer. Staff were correct to refuse to work with her.
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Post by addickted on Mar 13, 2017 12:22:57 GMT
Fan of the year my fucking arse, there wasn't even a vote fella, the organiser decided there should be a new award for Lifetime achievement and went out and bought a trophy with her name on it, it wasn't won, there wasn't a vote because if there had of been Seb Lewis would have won it hands down . I suggest you get your facts right before coming out in support of a vociferous protester who has been shouting her mouth off about the regime for months and isn't intelligent enough to use outlook properly so talking of couldn't run a piss up in a brewery is quite apt in this case. Perhaps you should get yours right Reams. Seb won the fan of the year award two years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 12:27:35 GMT
The email is not offensive but it demonstrates the contempt she has for club staff. It's a no brainer. Staff were correct to refuse to work with her. I wonder how Delaware North feel no that they have lost a booking..??
Sometimes we have to turn the other cheek and be the better person, no matter how hard that may be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 12:28:06 GMT
Fan of the year my fucking arse, there wasn't even a vote fella, the organiser decided there should be a new award for Lifetime achievement and went out and bought a trophy with her name on it, it wasn't won, there wasn't a vote because if there had of been Seb Lewis would have won it hands down . I suggest you get your facts right before coming out in support of a vociferous protester who has been shouting her mouth off about the regime for months and isn't intelligent enough to use outlook properly so talking of couldn't run a piss up in a brewery is quite apt in this case. Perhaps you should get your right Reams. Seb won the fan of the year award two years ago. Ron Hooper has also won this award.
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Post by squareball on Mar 13, 2017 12:35:14 GMT
The email is not offensive but it demonstrates the contempt she has for club staff. It's a no brainer. Staff were correct to refuse to work with her. I wonder how Delaware North feel no that they have lost a booking..??
Sometimes we have to turn the other cheek and be the better person, no matter how hard that may be.
So I am wrong in assuming that the fans cancelled this? I hadn't realised it was the club that cancelled and caused Delaware North to be out of pocket. I'm sure they could compensate comfortably , something I don't think the fans would do had they been responsible for the cancelled event.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 15:31:32 GMT
I wonder how Delaware North feel no that they have lost a booking..??
Sometimes we have to turn the other cheek and be the better person, no matter how hard that may be.
So I am wrong in assuming that the fans cancelled this? I hadn't realised it was the club that cancelled and caused Delaware North to be out of pocket. I'm sure they could compensate comfortably , something I don't think the fans would do had they been responsible for the cancelled event. The fans cancelled it because the club imposed sanctions that they deemed unacceptable.
Let's forget that someone created a problem where one did simply not exist before. That was the catalyst in this affair
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 16:03:51 GMT
So I am wrong in assuming that the fans cancelled this? I hadn't realised it was the club that cancelled and caused Delaware North to be out of pocket. I'm sure they could compensate comfortably , something I don't think the fans would do had they been responsible for the cancelled event. The fans cancelled it because the club imposed sanctions that they deemed unacceptable.
Let's forget that someone created a problem where one did simply not exist before. That was the catalyst in this affair
The problem was Jean Huelin sending an e-mail to club employees with whom she was supposed to be co-operating in which she relayed the view - whether intentionally or unintentionally - that she regards them as completely useless and a waste of space. Club staff understandably felt that this made it impossible for them to continue working with her. "Sanctions" were not "imposed by the club" . It was merely made clear that nobody at CAFC was prepared any longer to speak directly with the rude woman who was the perpetrator of the insults. Whereupon, two other people said 'ya boo, sucks, we're taking away our tin pot trophy then'. Let's please try and keep a sense of perspective. What many of us find astonishing is that Huelin apparently believed she could attack and denigrate the club and its employees with impunity and that there would be no repercussions from her behaviour. Her position is clearly untenable but a group of spite-driven fans, most of whom couldn't actually care less about the POTY dinner or Jean Huelin, have gleefully seized upon her foolishness to create another cause celebre in their eagerness to attack CAFC and all who sail in her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 16:13:53 GMT
The fans cancelled it because the club imposed sanctions that they deemed unacceptable.
Let's forget that someone created a problem where one did simply not exist before. That was the catalyst in this affair
The problem was Jean Huelin sending an e-mail to club employees with whom she was supposed to be co-operating in which she relayed the view - whether intentionally or unintentionally - that she regards them as completely useless and a waste of space. Club staff understandably felt that this made it impossible for them to continue working with her. Sanctions were not "imposed by the club" . It was merely made clear that nobody at CAFC was prepared any longer to speak directly with the rude woman who was the perpetrator of the insults. Whereupon, two other people said 'ya boo, sucks, we're taking away our tin pot trophy then'. Let's please try and keep a sense of perspective. What many of us find astonishing is that Huelin apparently believed she could attack and denigrate the club and its employees with impunity and that there would be no repercussions from her behaviour. Her position is clearly untenable but a group of spite-driven fans, most of whom couldn't actually care less about the POTY dinner or Jean Huelin, have gleefully seized upon her foolishness to create another cause celebre in their eagerness to attack CAFC and all who sail in her. IA,
While I agree with many points of your statement the club did indeed impose sanction on the event. In fact KM did back track on a lot of her wishes as she & Ian Wallis communicated with each over and reached a compromise from a common sense prospective. This was all agreed when Jean sent her 'abusive' email and then it all kicked off again.
Sorry you see the trophy as tin pot as this award has been presented for several decades, as have similar awards been presented at other clubs. I wonder if you see them as tin pot too..??
Don't really wish to start a war with anyone as I respect everyone's opinion on here whether I agree with it or not.
This will be my last word on this subject
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 16:24:46 GMT
Tin pot trophy wasn't really meant to be insulting, Paul. Rather it was a reference to Big Bob's post elsewhere in which he pointed out :-
"The bit that makes me laugh the most is the belief that the club can't organise their own event because the fans "own the trophy". It's hardly the Jules Rimet - a tenner on trophies r us should sort that out."
The club will now organise its own event following the final match on the lines of the revamp the CEO wanted. It might actually be a better way of doing it.Let's wait and see. I have a strong suspicion it will be better attended, even though CARD will no doubt hold a 'picket' in their usual charmless way.
Meanwhile, I suspect that you will privately agree that many of those now using a woman - whom I am led to believe is in her seventies - as a stick with which to bash the club are shameless oportunists...
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Post by squareball on Mar 13, 2017 18:26:26 GMT
So I am wrong in assuming that the fans cancelled this? I hadn't realised it was the club that cancelled and caused Delaware North to be out of pocket. I'm sure they could compensate comfortably , something I don't think the fans would do had they been responsible for the cancelled event. The fans cancelled it because the club imposed sanctions that they deemed unacceptable.
Let's forget that someone created a problem where one did simply not exist before. That was the catalyst in this affair
So the fans are responsible for any loss to Delaware North. What a shame the organiser couldn't turn the other cheek and be the better person. A lot of fans who enjoy this event have been let down. Fanny had made her position untenable and amazingly the club were allowing her continue in some capacity. On a lighter note how funny that she should send an email expressing staff incompetence to the wrong person. Ironic or what!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:30:44 GMT
So the fans are responsible for any loss to Delaware North. What a shame the organiser couldn't turn the other cheek and be the better person. A lot of fans who enjoy this event have been let down... IA has said the Club is now going to organise its own POTY event at the end of the season, so those fans who enjoyed it in the past will hopefully still have a celebration to attend if they wish.
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Post by squareball on Mar 13, 2017 18:37:18 GMT
So the fans are responsible for any loss to Delaware North. What a shame the organiser couldn't turn the other cheek and be the better person. A lot of fans who enjoy this event have been let down... IA has said the Club is now going to organise its own POTY event at the end of the season, so those fans who enjoyed it in the past will hopefully still have a celebration to attend if they wish. I do hope so, unfair for a couple of fans to pull the plug on others. Bitter or what.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:43:43 GMT
IA has said the Club is now going to organise its own POTY event at the end of the season, so those fans who enjoyed it in the past will hopefully still have a celebration to attend if they wish. I do hope so, unfair for a couple of fans to pull the plug on others. Bitter or what. If the Club does organise its own POTY then that unfairness at least can be addressed. A well run event would go some way towards building a bridge between the Club and supporters. An opportunity to rescue something positive from these unfortunate recent events.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:53:24 GMT
I do hope so, unfair for a couple of fans to pull the plug on others. Bitter or what. If the Club does organise its own POTY then that unfairness at least can be addressed. A well run event would go some way towards building a bridge between the Club and supporters. An opportunity to rescue something positive from these unfortunate recent events. One of the offers in the club proposal to revamp the event was that CAFC would donate bigger and better trophies and prizes. Therefore 'the trophy belongs to the fans and we're taking it away' is a bit of a hollow threat. A lot of the choregraphy in all this - possibly on both sides - gives the distinct impression of being stage-managed to an agenda that actually has little to do with the geriatric foolishness of Jean Huelin (and before anyone accuses me of ageism, I confess to being a geriatric fool myself!)
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 19:27:23 GMT
Fan of the year my fucking arse, there wasn't even a vote fella, the organiser decided there should be a new award for Lifetime achievement and went out and bought a trophy with her name on it, it wasn't won, there wasn't a vote because if there had of been Seb Lewis would have won it hands down . I suggest you get your facts right before coming out in support of a vociferous protester who has been shouting her mouth off about the regime for months and isn't intelligent enough to use outlook properly so talking of couldn't run a piss up in a brewery is quite apt in this case. Perhaps you should get yours right Reams. Seb won the fan of the year award two years ago. And has attended more games that Jean Huelin ever since home and away so who says he shouldn't win it again? At least Seb won his, it wasn't a gift!
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 13, 2017 19:31:39 GMT
So I am wrong in assuming that the fans cancelled this? I hadn't realised it was the club that cancelled and caused Delaware North to be out of pocket. I'm sure they could compensate comfortably , something I don't think the fans would do had they been responsible for the cancelled event. The fans cancelled it because the club imposed sanctions that they deemed unacceptable.
Let's forget that someone created a problem where one did simply not exist before. That was the catalyst in this affair
I think people will see this as the organisers sticking together to be honest. Surely the event could have gone on as normal and not cancelled just because of one persons none participation.
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