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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 6, 2017 12:44:31 GMT
Welcome wingwizard good to have yo on board  Enjoyed reading your post and I get your points about the club but by the same token I keep reading that fans what to work with the club yet as soon as they offer their help on something they are knocked back. Personally I hope the club are involved in this and come up with something in the near future to say as much. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:55:24 GMT
Reams,
The point is that the club is already, and have always been involved. Except last year when the CEO didn't want to help. The level of assistance that they are offering in there proposal is the same level as last year (after much difficulty) and the years before.
Ian Wallis has always, as far was what I have witnessed been very proactive with working with the club, especially on the POTY event.
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Post by webbo on Mar 7, 2017 9:28:58 GMT
If a supporter pays for a ticket, and when they turn up they find the food is rubbish, will they get their money back on the spot, or within 21 days?
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 7, 2017 9:32:56 GMT
Reams, The point is that the club is already, and have always been involved. Except last year when the CEO didn't want to help. The level of assistance that they are offering in there proposal is the same level as last year (after much difficulty) and the years before. Ian Wallis has always, as far was what I have witnessed been very proactive with working with the club, especially on the POTY event. Paul. Thanks for clearing that up Paul, I just thought that having read the minutes and subsequently the power point proposals by the club I just thought that maybe it was something that the club and the fans could have worked together on which would have at least been seen as a positive thing and who knows the start of a better relationship, a starting point if you like. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 10:11:51 GMT
Reams, The point is that the club is already, and have always been involved. Except last year when the CEO didn't want to help. The level of assistance that they are offering in there proposal is the same level as last year (after much difficulty) and the years before. Ian Wallis has always, as far was what I have witnessed been very proactive with working with the club, especially on the POTY event. Paul. Thanks for clearing that up Paul, I just thought that having read the minutes and subsequently the power point proposals by the club I just thought that maybe it was something that the club and the fans could have worked together on which would have at least been seen as a positive thing and who knows the start of a better relationship, a starting point if you like. Reams,
Without wishing to revisit this subject I think that I should set the record straight a bit.
When several parties sat down last year regarding this matter the only person who we found to be obstructive was Ms.Meire. Ian Wallis tried to be as proactive as possible with assisting with the club on several counts but with no avail. Meire's actions were also noted by Mel Baroni & Felicity Waller who both worked for the club. They also told me off the record over a cup of tea that they found her very hard to work with and that all the ideas they had about working with fans were met with a negative attitude and in most case a firm 'No' from Meire.
I personally think that Meire's attempt to control the POTY event goes back to when she tried to stop Rick Everitt from speaking a few years ago because she was scared that he was go to preach is poisonous "Word" on the club.
Its a shame as you say, as this event could be a good starting point to build relations.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 7, 2017 10:19:34 GMT
Thanks Again Paul
The sad thing is Rick Everitt's name crops up a lot with most people I speak to, he has issues with the club and everything that CARD stands for is born out of his own personal vendettas towards the club.
He's a sad bloke who is starting to grate on a few people getting above his station with twitter comments. Funny thing is when I stood by him at Southend he moved without so much as a word, yet is full of it on social media.
It's a shame that the people who organise the POTY find it hard to work with KM but perhaps now that there seems to be an olive branch it might be a good opportunity to revisit the possibilities of working with the club.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 10:27:10 GMT
Thanks Again Paul The sad thing is Rick Everitt's name crops up a lot with most people I speak to, he has issues with the club and everything that CARD stands for is born out of his own personal vendettas towards the club. He's a sad bloke who is starting to grate on a few people getting above his station with twitter comments. Funny thing is when I stood by him at Southend he moved without so much as a word, yet is full of it on social media. It's a shame that the people who organise the POTY find it hard to work with KM but perhaps now that there seems to be an olive branch it might be a good opportunity to revisit the possibilities of working with the club. Reams,
The people that organise the event don't find it hard to work with KM, but the other way around. I don't wish to sound anti KM here but I found Ian Wallis a very level headed and proactive person who wasn't interested in any protests. He tried to accommodate KM's wishes several times but she kept moving the goalposts and the 11th hour. It was very frustrating at times as several of us put some hard yards in to get things organised that KM instructed us to do, only to be told that she had changed her mind. The fans organising the event are simply not the issue here.
For the record, I am in total agreement with you regarding Rick.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 7, 2017 10:46:06 GMT
Ok Paul that's fair enough, thanks for putting me in the picture, the club do read this forum so hopefully it's another thing they'll see and want to address with a positive outcome for all involved.
I don't know Ian Wallis personally but the way you describe him echos what others have said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 13:01:51 GMT
Interesting that not having noticed it before, the Vinegars are now up in arms.
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Post by leedsaddick on Mar 7, 2017 13:47:17 GMT
@ Reams and Wingwizard..... Gentlemen, I enjoyed reading the conversation thread. This was an interesting insight to how things were, and I use that word deliberately. This years POTY could be a test to see if the Club really wants to engage with Supporters. The message on the web page comes across as engaging.. the test will be how KM and other key stakeholders are perceived in helping to make this a really good event. I can understand KM's behaviour re Rick Everitt as there is a chance that RE would have used the POTY to pursue a personal agenda. This year presents KM and others to show a different side and start to change perceptions by positively supporting the event, working with people and not making changes at the 12th hour. Its about relationship building. Each interaction with a supporter is a customer touch point, and given the current sad state of affairs, for me, this is an opportunity for KM and others to start to change perceptions
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 7, 2017 19:01:05 GMT
I have got home from work tonight and read unconfirmed reports that Jean Huelin is surplus to requirements as far as this years POTY awards are concerned.
One can only assume that her scathing attacks on the club on another forum are the reason behind it which to be honest is understandable from the clubs point of view which is why I keep saying that certain people, especially two or three people on the Trust need to be more street wise with their comments because they are just going to get banished and will be then unable to represent those they are representing.
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Post by stonemuse on Mar 7, 2017 19:10:49 GMT
I have got home from work tonight and read unconfirmed reports that Jean Huelin is surplus to requirements as far as this years POTY awards are concerned. One can only assume that her scathing attacks on the club on another forum are the reason behind it which to be honest is understandable from the clubs point of view which is why I keep saying that certain people, especially two or three people on the Trust need to be more street wise with their comments because they are just going to get banished and will be then unable to represent those they are representing. Maybe that would be an argument if the event were club-run. But, at this moment, it is still run by supporters. And the bulk of the work up-front has always been done by Ian Wallis and Jean Huelin. It seems a bit vindictive in my eyes. I've been to a couple of these events and always enjoyed them, I find it refreshing that the events are run by the fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 19:27:43 GMT
I have got home from work tonight and read unconfirmed reports that Jean Huelin is surplus to requirements as far as this years POTY awards are concerned. One can only assume that her scathing attacks on the club on another forum are the reason behind it which to be honest is understandable from the clubs point of view which is why I keep saying that certain people, especially two or three people on the Trust need to be more street wise with their comments because they are just going to get banished and will be then unable to represent those they are representing. Maybe that would be an argument if the event were club-run. But, at this moment, it is still run by supporters. And the bulk of the work up-front has always been done by Ian Wallis and Jean Huelin. It seems a bit vindictive in my eyes. I've been to a couple of these events and always enjoyed them, I find it refreshing that the events are run by the fans. Vindictive? I guess it is a matter of perspective. But since the club are providing the logistics and facilities, why would they accommodate such a self declared enemy of the club? As usual people want it all ways. Take what they can get and still scream shit and abuse. Want to be truly supporter-run without club involvement? Perhaps consider a different venue until there's an owner that's considered acceptable? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 7, 2017 19:50:15 GMT
I have got home from work tonight and read unconfirmed reports that Jean Huelin is surplus to requirements as far as this years POTY awards are concerned. One can only assume that her scathing attacks on the club on another forum are the reason behind it which to be honest is understandable from the clubs point of view which is why I keep saying that certain people, especially two or three people on the Trust need to be more street wise with their comments because they are just going to get banished and will be then unable to represent those they are representing. Maybe that would be an argument if the event were club-run. But, at this moment, it is still run by supporters. And the bulk of the work up-front has always been done by Ian Wallis and Jean Huelin. It seems a bit vindictive in my eyes. I've been to a couple of these events and always enjoyed them, I find it refreshing that the events are run by the fans. It may have been run by the suporters in the past stonemuse and it's the supporters who own the trophies however that said the club provide the facilities and the venue for the evening and perhaps feel that due to comments made throughout the season they are reluctant to extend a level of hospitality because she has made herself unwelcome, who knows obviously somethings triggered it and I can't see anything else that it might be other than her affiliation to WAR? The fact of the matter is, if you keep pushing and pissing people off enough, eventually it will come back on you, there's always a way. |
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Post by webbo on Mar 7, 2017 23:16:21 GMT
Maybe that would be an argument if the event were club-run. But, at this moment, it is still run by supporters. And the bulk of the work up-front has always been done by Ian Wallis and Jean Huelin. It seems a bit vindictive in my eyes. I've been to a couple of these events and always enjoyed them, I find it refreshing that the events are run by the fans. It may have been run by the suporters in the past stonemuse and it's the supporters who own the trophies however that said the club provide the facilities and the venue for the evening and perhaps feel that due to comments made throughout the season they are reluctant to extend a level of hospitality because she has made herself unwelcome, who knows obviously somethings triggered it and I can't see anything else that it might be other than her affiliation to WAR? The fact of the matter is, if you keep pushing and pissing people off enough, eventually it will come back on you, there's always a way. I think this can be resolved by letting the supporters continue as they have done in the past. If KM really wants to impose her way or no way, then the event can happen away from the Valley, and Delaware catering and the players too if necessary. It would be unwise for there to be a falling out over this, because it would make the club look even worse than they do already if they try to crush this fan led event. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 7, 2017 23:30:08 GMT
There's no falling out, we heard last week how the protests affect the players, they also put potential new signings off, therefore I am guessing that it is in the best interests of all concerned that the club request the non-involvement of an avid and vociferous protester that Huelin is from the POTY arrangements given her regular attacks on KM, RD and KR on the protesters forum.
You can't just sweep comments like the one's she has made under the carpet, it's unfortunate but the 'core actors' were always going to come unstuck at some stage. She's not the first and most certainly won't be the last.
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Post by webbo on Mar 7, 2017 23:48:15 GMT
If the club say that Jean is surplus to requirements it implies that the club is unilaterally trying to take over the event. As in they decide the requirements, they decide the 'improvements' and they descride the people they want to do the free work for them.
Maybe it has not occurred to the club to decide who attends too? There is a risk that if there is antagonism around this event, it could be in the form of a whole table or five being booked by those feeling similarly to Jean who would have no inhibitions in letting the club know how they feel on the evening. I read elsewhere that at last years POTY event KM had three security heavies guarding her.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 7, 2017 23:56:59 GMT
I read elsewhere that at last years POTY event KM had three security heavies guarding her. Just goes to show the kind of fans we have then doesn't it if she has to go to those lengths. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 8:36:46 GMT
I read elsewhere that at last years POTY event KM had three security heavies guarding her. Just goes to show the kind of fans we have then doesn't it if she has to go to those lengths. Agreed, although nobody even went near her last year. We actually advised KM to either not go or go, but keep a low profile. She insisted on the security guards even though several members of senior staff indicated that having them may actually create a situation.
On the subject of KM insisting that Jean Huelin not be part of this years POTY is a bit vindictive, if true that is. Having sat around the table with Jean she hardly had any input into the running of the event and always came over as "Holier than thou". This, in my opinion, is where KM should show some maturity and just let them get on with it as by "banning" Jean only creates more ammunition for the likes of Rick to spread his personal mandate of spin.
As I said earlier, if this is true, then its typical of the type of behaviour that we have all had to deal with from KM from time to time by creating an issue where there simply isn't one.
I will see if this rumour is true later today as it has originated from Rick, and we all know how economical he can be with the truth
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 8, 2017 8:58:14 GMT
The club don't give two hoots about Knobby Vinegar mate I can assure you of that.
RD didn't call them 'Core Actors' for nothing, they know who they are and one by one it looks like they are ensuring that these people play no part whatsoever in anything that involves the club directly or indirectly within the confines of the hospitality areas of The Valley or under it's roof so to speak.
Looking at the bigger picture and some of the spitefulness that has gone on and what has been said on a public forum you can't blame the club for going down the route they have if as you say this story is true, you only have to read some of the stuff on this same topic on the other place to see just how nasty some of the comments are about KM.
I agree about Everitt and his levels of fabrication, the guy needs to get over himself because the issues he has it's clearly cloud his judgement where the club are concerned. He still thinks CARD have sources within the club!!!......Er yeah ok Knobby!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 9:30:32 GMT
Fighting spite with spite equals only one thing - failure. Fighting spin with spin also equals the same
KM has been advised several times to just ignore the "Core actors" as after a short period of time there actions dissipate and fade into nothing. This has been proved several times and just when it looks as though its over, she opens her mouth and we find ourselves back at square one.
This is where she lets herself down, she needs to rise above it, be more grown up and be the better person. That way the protests will fizzle out.
I still, to this day cannot work out why she wants to get involved in something like this when we have more pressing matters to attend to.
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Post by Cindy Blue on Mar 8, 2017 9:36:59 GMT
I would love to go but can't afford too why should it only be adult only kids are supporters too.Very selfish IMO Personally I would prefer one event of the year to be adults only. The kids have the Christmas party and the Easter party so it's not like they have been excluded. That said I have never been mainly because it has always come at a time when I've been skint. I'd rather they don't change the date and format but we all have personal views. Totally support taking it away from Fanny who has been anti regime so why reward her. Whilst it is not a club event they supply the key ingredients The Players. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 9:51:46 GMT
If Fanny gets it it will be a farce, shouldn't have had it last year either she's made it perfectly clear where her allegiance lies, why would she want to organise it anyway?
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Post by therufus on Mar 8, 2017 9:58:29 GMT
It worked well as it was and it is a shame to change it for the sake of it, but surely no one can be surprised that the club don't want an active critic in control of a show piece event, that's just common sense.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 8, 2017 10:46:39 GMT
Absolutely my point therufus, people who make their beds and all that.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 8, 2017 11:06:33 GMT
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Have only just read this thread. I'm suitably appalled at their treatment of Jean, but I'd like to suggest the following/collate everyone's prior suggestions on this thread:
- Set up a separate event;
- Let the club run it, and boycott;
- Have Jean not seen to be involved, but then vote her in/announce her as Supporter of the Year again (my preferred option - for a bigger f**k you, ideally alongside Rick Everitt!), whereupon we can thank her for organising the event anyway;
- Cave to the club's demands (let's not do that, obviously);
- Let the club run it, then point and laugh at how shit it is likely to be.
Anything else?
I cannot believe this.
What a pathetic individual, that shit hole is becoming more like the Human Centipede every day such is that they have their tongues so far up each others arses.
Jean Huelin supporter of the year? Protester of the year maybe! Seb Lewis wins the other one for me hands down.
Not being spiteful, just truthful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 11:15:23 GMT
Why would someone who hates the club, wants to make it unmanageable, wants the CEO sacked and the owner to F off, protests at any given opportunity etc yawn etc even want to be involved ?
Hypocrisy and vanity at play once again.
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Post by therufus on Mar 8, 2017 11:26:24 GMT
Why would someone who hates the club, wants to make it unmanageable, wants the CEO sacked and the owner to F off, protests at any given opportunity etc yawn etc even want to be involved ? Hypocrisy and vanity at play once again. Because it is, and always has been a supporters run event, and it has always been run well, by that person. |
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Post by leedsaddick on Mar 8, 2017 11:27:06 GMT
You know what strikes me about this and it links to what KR talks culture in the Club.... My perception is that the old guard employees, who helped re build the club when we moved back to the Valley, played a key role in the background to the sucesfull premiership years are now having great difficulty in adjusting to the new football world. By new football world, the current ownership, whose approach and style is more Corporate, together with the way that football finances itself. My own work background is Business and Organisational Change and you see the same behaviour during mergers and takeovers... for me this episode highlights this.... I could be wrong, but this is my perception
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Post by therufus on Mar 8, 2017 11:31:08 GMT
You know what strikes me about this and it links to what KR talks culture in the Club.... My perception is that the old guard employees, who helped re build the club when we moved back to the Valley, played a key role in the background to the sucesfull premiership years are now having great difficulty in adjusting to the new football world. By new football world, the current ownership, whose approach and style is more Corporate, together with the way that football finances itself. My own work background is Business and Organisational Change and you see the same behaviour during mergers and takeovers... for me this episode highlights this.... I could be wrong, but this is my perception Definitely think that's true and well noted, however from the other side the new owners should have recognised that football has a unique footprint, especially in England. There are two sides to this all the way through. |
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