The Summer gossip & transfer rumours thread

[bexleyboy]

Apr 29, 2024 13:36:22 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Apr 29, 2024 13:32:44 GMT reamsofverse said:

No and definitely not a left back as being reported elsewhere.

I hope it comes to fruition and in there lies a clue.

🤣🤣🤣🤣….got to be Luke Berry surely………..🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Could be Barry Banana ? lol 😂

[bexleyboy]

Luke Berry 31 years old , 15 matches 2 goals 1 assist ?

We need goals from midfield not sure he fits the bill ..

[aucklandaddick]

I just have a feeling that we will have a brand new midfield three starting the season in August with Coventry also getting plenty of game time, I think NJ wants plenty of physicality in there with fitter better technical players who can press high and look after the ball better than we have done this season

We have defended pretty dreadfully this season but one of the reasons for this has been that they have been put under more pressure than they would have liked simply because we have given procession away far too cheaply all season…..

[weststandfruitloop]

Apr 29, 2024 14:00:44 GMT bexleyboy said:

Luke Berry 31 years old , 15 matches 2 goals 1 assist ?

We need goals from midfield not sure he fits the bill ..

You're absolutely right as always Bexley.

What possible benefit could third division Charlton get from signing a current Premier League midfielder.

One who has scored a goal every 153 minutes (ie better than a goal every two games in terms of 90 mins) in the bleeding Premier League this season.

When it comes to fruits you continue to be this forum's biggest plum, BB x

[Deleted]

Apr 29, 2024 14:11:37 GMT weststandfruitloop said:

Apr 29, 2024 14:00:44 GMT bexleyboy said:

Luke Berry 31 years old , 15 matches 2 goals 1 assist ?

We need goals from midfield not sure he fits the bill ..

You're absolutely right as always Bexley.

What possible benefit could third division Charlton get from signing a current Premier League midfielder.

One who has scored a goal every 153 minutes (ie better than a goal every two games in terms of 90 mins) in the bleeding Premier League this season.

When it comes to fruits you continue to be this forum's biggest plum, BB x

Surely I am the Forums biggest Plumb.

[Mundell]

I retain my optimism bias and I remain very positive about next season but if I have a slight concern it’s that we’re in danger of being too positive about Nathan Jones, assuming that somehow he’ll personally conjure up a much better and more effective squad. 

Whether we like it or not, neither results nor underlying performances were any better under Jones than they were under Appleton, at least not until the very end of Appleton’s time in charge. In his post Wycombe match interview Jones tacitly acknowledged this when he said that if three different managers can’t keep clean sheets then it can’t be the managers’ fault, hence we need to change the players. 

The conclusion may be the right one, but I doubt that the wage budget overall next season is going to be much higher than it was in the season just finished. Hence, we’ll need to reduce the size of the squad and trade effectively. That’s not going to be easy and is likely to require imagination and creativity. Given this, Jones simply “opting for players he’s worked with before” may not be as positive as it might seem. I guess we’ll see. 

I’m still trying to understand, beyond the obvious, exactly what went wrong last season and hence what needs to go right now. It seems to me that it’s at least plausible that an important part of the problem was that our recruitment was not aligned with a clear playing strategy and style. This meant that even leaving aside the quality of players recruited, we failed to recruit the right “type” of player or the right “blend” of players. Simply put, Holden was the Head Coach during the summer’s recruitment and then Appleton during January and yet Holden, Appleton and Jones all played in a different way and hence needed different players. 

It is essential, therefore, that Nathan Jones is absolutely clear how he wants to play and therefore about what type and blend of players he wants so that the right type of players are recruited. It is not just about some abstract notion of how “good” an individual player might be. They all need to “fit”. 

This may all seem very obvious, but in my experience it is often where clubs go wrong. I sense this is particularly relevant in our case because so far Jones has chosen to play in a very distinct way and, in turn, this has manifest in some very clear player preferences. Karoy Anderson and Daniel Kanu are probably the best examples of this. I suspect they played regularly as much because they played the way Jones wanted as because there were no “better” options.

If Jones chooses to adopt a similar game plan next season then this could have a profound effect on the type of players we see arriving, perhaps especially in central midfield which appears to be our weakest area. 

It’s going to be a very interesting summer. 

[kings hill addick]

Apr 29, 2024 15:08:10 GMT Mundell said:

I retain my optimism bias and I remain very positive about next season but if I have a slight concern it’s that we’re in danger of being too positive about Nathan Jones, assuming that somehow he’ll personally conjure up a much better and more effective squad. 

Whether we like it or not, neither results nor underlying performances were any better under Jones than they were under Appleton, at least not until the very end of Appleton’s time in charge. In his post Wycombe match interview Jones tacitly acknowledged this when he said that if three different managers can’t keep clean sheets then it can’t be the managers’ fault, hence we need to change the players. 

The conclusion may be the right one, but I doubt that the wage budget overall next season is going to be much higher than it was in the season just finished. Hence, we’ll need to reduce the size of the squad and trade effectively. That’s not going to be easy and is likely to require imagination and creativity. Given this, Jones simply “opting for players he’s worked with before” may not be as positive as it might seem. I guess we’ll see. 

I’m still trying to understand, beyond the obvious, exactly what went wrong last season and hence what needs to go right now. It seems to me that it’s at least plausible that an important part of the problem was that our recruitment was not aligned with a clear playing strategy and style. This meant that even leaving aside the quality of players recruited, we failed to recruit the right “type” of player or the right “blend” of players. Simply put, Holden was the Head Coach during the summer’s recruitment and then Appleton during January and yet Holden, Appleton and Jones all played in a different way and hence needed different players. 

It is essential, therefore, that Nathan Jones is absolutely clear how he wants to play and therefore about what type and blend of players he wants so that the right type of players are recruited. It is not just about some abstract notion of how “good” an individual player might be. They all need to “fit”. 

This may all seem very obvious, but in my experience it is often where clubs go wrong. I sense this is particularly relevant in our case because so far Jones has chosen to play in a very distinct way and, in turn, this has manifest in some very clear player preferences. Karoy Anderson and Daniel Kanu are probably the best examples of this. I suspect they played regularly as much because they played the way Jones wanted as because there were no “better” options.

If Jones chooses to adopt a similar game plan next season then this could have a profound effect on the type of players we see arriving, perhaps especially in central midfield which appears to be our weakest area. 

It’s going to be a very interesting summer. 

I'm tempted to put much of last season's disaster down to the recruitment under Thomas Sandgaard. Not only did he sign unsuitable players he also gave them very generous contracts (for League One) and then he held out selling the club until it was too late to make many amendments to the squad.

I'm confident that one of the targets that the club had this season is to correct some of Sandgaard's failures. I'm not just talking about the players and their wages, either. We do, however, still have a number of players that are not going to be good enough for what we want to achieve, and that are going to be difficult to move out. It could be next summer before we have the whole of the budget available for the players that the club want, moving forward. I don't know what McGrandles, Fraser and Aneke are earning, between them, but they will all have to be paid (some of their wages, if they go out on loan) or paid off. I suspect that they are all on top wages for League One and all of them have been injured/unavailable, consistently, since they were signed.

[melrose555]

Apr 29, 2024 13:32:44 GMT reamsofverse said:

Apr 29, 2024 12:33:09 GMT valleysun said:

defender ?

No and definitely not a left back as being reported elsewhere.

I hope it comes to fruition and in there lies a clue.

Easy....Michael (Apples)ton. Such a shit manager.... making a comeback as a player:)

[aucklandaddick]

Apr 29, 2024 15:08:10 GMT Mundell said:

I retain my optimism bias and I remain very positive about next season but if I have a slight concern it’s that we’re in danger of being too positive about Nathan Jones, assuming that somehow he’ll personally conjure up a much better and more effective squad. 

Whether we like it or not, neither results nor underlying performances were any better under Jones than they were under Appleton, at least not until the very end of Appleton’s time in charge. In his post Wycombe match interview Jones tacitly acknowledged this when he said that if three different managers can’t keep clean sheets then it can’t be the managers’ fault, hence we need to change the players. 

The conclusion may be the right one, but I doubt that the wage budget overall next season is going to be much higher than it was in the season just finished. Hence, we’ll need to reduce the size of the squad and trade effectively. That’s not going to be easy and is likely to require imagination and creativity. Given this, Jones simply “opting for players he’s worked with before” may not be as positive as it might seem. I guess we’ll see. 

I’m still trying to understand, beyond the obvious, exactly what went wrong last season and hence what needs to go right now. It seems to me that it’s at least plausible that an important part of the problem was that our recruitment was not aligned with a clear playing strategy and style. This meant that even leaving aside the quality of players recruited, we failed to recruit the right “type” of player or the right “blend” of players. Simply put, Holden was the Head Coach during the summer’s recruitment and then Appleton during January and yet Holden, Appleton and Jones all played in a different way and hence needed different players. 

It is essential, therefore, that Nathan Jones is absolutely clear how he wants to play and therefore about what type and blend of players he wants so that the right type of players are recruited. It is not just about some abstract notion of how “good” an individual player might be. They all need to “fit”. 

This may all seem very obvious, but in my experience it is often where clubs go wrong. I sense this is particularly relevant in our case because so far Jones has chosen to play in a very distinct way and, in turn, this has manifest in some very clear player preferences. Karoy Anderson and Daniel Kanu are probably the best examples of this. I suspect they played regularly as much because they played the way Jones wanted as because there were no “better” options.

If Jones chooses to adopt a similar game plan next season then this could have a profound effect on the type of players we see arriving, perhaps especially in central midfield which appears to be our weakest area. 

It’s going to be a very interesting summer. 

It certainly is going to be a very interesting summer,

Jones knows how to build a team, he did it at Luton by recruiting players who play to his style…..I think he will be crystal clear personally on the type of player that he wants to bring in….Budget wise wasn’t the problem this season IMO , they way we spent it obviously was, you only have to compare the quality of loans that Pompey brought in compared to the likes of Tedic, Campbell, etc……

I think we will see pretty much a brand new team bar Small,  Ramsay and May come August, especially in the middle of the park and the centre of the defence 

[cafcginge]

not too sure how i feel about the idea that jones may just look to bring back former lads he’s worked with before. i mean one thing is that they’ll probably be better than the lot we have now. but this can be very risky and could either be hms walk the league or a big mess. do feel we may have to be a bit more creative than just former people he knows.
however in contrast i must say if the rumour is berry then that does sound promising and interesting. also what do we mean by “talking”. is he a free agent at the end of the season or what’s going on because the prem is still going on so surely he’d be focused on that?

[Mundell]

Apr 29, 2024 15:46:05 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Apr 29, 2024 15:08:10 GMT Mundell said:

I retain my optimism bias and I remain very positive about next season but if I have a slight concern it’s that we’re in danger of being too positive about Nathan Jones, assuming that somehow he’ll personally conjure up a much better and more effective squad. 

Whether we like it or not, neither results nor underlying performances were any better under Jones than they were under Appleton, at least not until the very end of Appleton’s time in charge. In his post Wycombe match interview Jones tacitly acknowledged this when he said that if three different managers can’t keep clean sheets then it can’t be the managers’ fault, hence we need to change the players. 

The conclusion may be the right one, but I doubt that the wage budget overall next season is going to be much higher than it was in the season just finished. Hence, we’ll need to reduce the size of the squad and trade effectively. That’s not going to be easy and is likely to require imagination and creativity. Given this, Jones simply “opting for players he’s worked with before” may not be as positive as it might seem. I guess we’ll see. 

I’m still trying to understand, beyond the obvious, exactly what went wrong last season and hence what needs to go right now. It seems to me that it’s at least plausible that an important part of the problem was that our recruitment was not aligned with a clear playing strategy and style. This meant that even leaving aside the quality of players recruited, we failed to recruit the right “type” of player or the right “blend” of players. Simply put, Holden was the Head Coach during the summer’s recruitment and then Appleton during January and yet Holden, Appleton and Jones all played in a different way and hence needed different players. 

It is essential, therefore, that Nathan Jones is absolutely clear how he wants to play and therefore about what type and blend of players he wants so that the right type of players are recruited. It is not just about some abstract notion of how “good” an individual player might be. They all need to “fit”. 

This may all seem very obvious, but in my experience it is often where clubs go wrong. I sense this is particularly relevant in our case because so far Jones has chosen to play in a very distinct way and, in turn, this has manifest in some very clear player preferences. Karoy Anderson and Daniel Kanu are probably the best examples of this. I suspect they played regularly as much because they played the way Jones wanted as because there were no “better” options.

If Jones chooses to adopt a similar game plan next season then this could have a profound effect on the type of players we see arriving, perhaps especially in central midfield which appears to be our weakest area. 

It’s going to be a very interesting summer. 

It certainly is going to be a very interesting summer,

Jones knows how to build a team, he did it at Luton by recruiting players who play to his style…..I think he will be crystal clear personally on the type of player that he wants to bring in….Budget wise wasn’t the problem this season IMO , they way we spent it obviously was, you only have to compare the quality of loans that Pompey brought in compared to the likes of Tedic, Campbell, etc……

I think we will see pretty much a brand new team bar Small,  Ramsay and May come August, especially in the middle of the park and the centre of the defence 

I hope you’re right obviously. I guess only time will tell. However, if you’re saying that our first choice XI next season will include eight players who aren’t currently at the club I’d personally be very surprised by that.

[aucklandaddick]

Apr 29, 2024 16:15:24 GMT Mundell said:

Apr 29, 2024 15:46:05 GMT aucklandaddick said:

It certainly is going to be a very interesting summer,

Jones knows how to build a team, he did it at Luton by recruiting players who play to his style…..I think he will be crystal clear personally on the type of player that he wants to bring in….Budget wise wasn’t the problem this season IMO , they way we spent it obviously was, you only have to compare the quality of loans that Pompey brought in compared to the likes of Tedic, Campbell, etc……

I think we will see pretty much a brand new team bar Small,  Ramsay and May come August, especially in the middle of the park and the centre of the defence 

I hope you’re right obviously. I guess only time will tell. However, if you’re saying that our first choice XI next season will include eight players who aren’t currently at the club I’d personally be very surprised by that.

We shall see………..NJ said in his post match interview at Wycombe that we would be seeing a totally different Charlton squad next season, coupled with the fact that he also said previously he will only be bringing in first team starters rather than squad players ( as we have plenty of them already)makes me think we will see a very different starting line up come August……Just my hunch….but  I will look rather foolish if we play Burton away in August  with Thomas playing centre back and Lua Lua on the wing……🤣🤣🤣🤣 

[cafcginge]

Apr 29, 2024 16:26:33 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Apr 29, 2024 16:15:24 GMT Mundell said:

I hope you’re right obviously. I guess only time will tell. However, if you’re saying that our first choice XI next season will include eight players who aren’t currently at the club I’d personally be very surprised by that.

We shall see………..NJ said in his post match interview at Wycombe that we would be seeing a totally different Charlton squad next season, coupled with the fact that he also said previously he will only be bringing in first team starters rather than squad players ( as we have plenty of them already)makes me think we will see a very different starting line up come August……Just my hunch….but  I will look rather foolish if we play Burton away in August  with Thomas playing centre back and Lua Lua on the wing……🤣🤣🤣🤣 

to be fair i agree that the team will be different or i hope so. the thing is that yes it would be expensive and not easy to bring in 8 starters that are capable of a promotion push. but i think personally that’s all the business we need so we can. focus our attention on those. we can just drop players that are “maybes” down the pecking order into squad roles such as t.watson etc. we don’t have to waste our time saying “oh we may need to sign a backup player”.

[weststandfruitloop]

Apr 29, 2024 16:05:30 GMT cafcginge said:

i must say if the rumour is berry then that does sound promising and interesting. also what do we mean by “talking”. is he a free agent at the end of the season or what’s going on because the prem is still going on so surely he’d be focused on that?

People are extrapolating from Reams' hints that it might be Luke Berry. May well be someone completely different.

Berry signed a one year contract with Luton when his existing contract ran out last summer, so he is out of contract this summer.

You can't talk to out of contract players until 1st June unless their club gives you permission.

If it is Berry we're talking to that means Luton have given us permission, ie they aren't looking to offer him another year.

It could well be Take That's Jason Orange who we're talking to, of course.

[aucklandaddick]

Apr 29, 2024 17:14:49 GMT weststandfruitloop said:

Apr 29, 2024 16:05:30 GMT cafcginge said:

i must say if the rumour is berry then that does sound promising and interesting. also what do we mean by “talking”. is he a free agent at the end of the season or what’s going on because the prem is still going on so surely he’d be focused on that?

People are extrapolating from Reams' hints that it might be Luke Berry. May well be someone completely different.

Berry signed a one year contract with Luton when his existing contract ran out last summer, so he is out of contract this summer.

You can't talk to out of contract players until 1st June unless their club gives you permission.

If it is Berry we're talking to that means Luton have given us permission, ie they aren't looking to offer him another year.

It could well be Take That's Jason Orange who we're talking to, of course.

Absolutely……it was just a random guess by myself that it was Luke Berry…..it probably is someone completely different…..please let there be no meltdown over a hunch and nothing more…..

[canterburyaddick]

Apr 29, 2024 13:34:27 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Apr 29, 2024 12:20:23 GMT canterburyaddick said:

Pleased for him, never gave less than 100%. But not what we need at the level we want to get to.
Good to see you back Dick, your insights into the players coming through are always worth reading. Don't care about the politics.

Always good to see DP back posting on this form, welcome back mate

But where has O/R / WLA gone, another poster who tells it straight and adds value to this forum IMO….

The problem with O/R or whatever, is he can't help having a go at other posters, sort of bullying really. Having said that he has probably taken on ones who can look after themselves and got himself banned again, which is a regular occurrence. He writes well at times, then the red mist falls, bless him.

[aaronaldo]

Apr 29, 2024 17:38:32 GMT canterburyaddick said:

Apr 29, 2024 13:34:27 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Always good to see DP back posting on this form, welcome back mate

But where has O/R / WLA gone, another poster who tells it straight and adds value to this forum IMO….

The problem with O/R or whatever, is he can't help having a go at other posters, sort of bullying really. Having said that he has probably taken on ones who can look after themselves and got himself banned again, which is a regular occurrence. He writes well at times, then the red mist falls, bless him.

You’ve hit the nail on the head there.

[watameires]

Has he been banned then?

[norfolkrobin]

Could the NJ's factor temp Harry Cornick? Doesn't look to be a nailed on starter at BC.

Granted he might not want to drop a level,but if he enjoyed working with NJ previously?

Just fun to start the speculation and see if NJ can put his Luton band back together.

[995632]

Apr 29, 2024 17:38:32 GMT canterburyaddick said:

Apr 29, 2024 13:34:27 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Always good to see DP back posting on this form, welcome back mate

But where has O/R / WLA gone, another poster who tells it straight and adds value to this forum IMO….

The problem with O/R or whatever, is he can't help having a go at other posters, sort of bullying really. Having said that he has probably taken on ones who can look after themselves and got himself banned again, which is a regular occurrence. He writes well at times, then the red mist falls, bless him.

O/R would make an inflammatory comment and ignore anyone who challenged him and/ O/R [sic] question the logic and point out the bias in thinking or ignoring certain points. The blatant continued refusal to recognise or acknowledge anything positive was really grating...
Wouldn't agree with red mist, would say perpetual dark clouds shrouding any post and every involvement.

[reamsofverse]

Apr 29, 2024 19:46:42 GMT norfolkrobin said:

Could the NJ's factor temp Harry Cornick? Doesn't look to be a nailed on starter at BC.

Granted he might not want to drop a level,but if he enjoyed working with NJ previously?

Just fun to start the speculation and see if NJ can put his Luton band back together.

It's not him but I agree he's a very good player. Would love to see him at the club. I don't want his entire Luton team here but Sonny Bradley is another former player of his and he would be a good signing too.

[zenga]

Apr 29, 2024 15:08:10 GMT Mundell said:

I’m still trying to understand, beyond the obvious, exactly what went wrong last season and hence what needs to go right now. It seems to me that it’s at least plausible that an important part of the problem was that our recruitment was not aligned with a clear playing strategy and style. This meant that even leaving aside the quality of players recruited, we failed to recruit the right “type” of player or the right “blend” of players. Simply put, Holden was the Head Coach during the summer’s recruitment and then Appleton during January and yet Holden, Appleton and Jones all played in a different way and hence needed different players. 

I often read that the recruitment failed last summer, and I am not claiming it didn't ... but:
- if you have a duo like Leaburn/May upfront
- behind them Fraser/Camara/Dobson
- CBT on the wing
- Hector in the back
... on paper that looked pretty solid last summer. Fraser never lived up to his reputation/the hype. Leaburn and Camara were injured whole season. Hector was mediocre at best, despite it being seen as a no brainer to give him a new contract.

Many fans (both from Charlton and other clubs in L1) thought that it was a side that could go for promotion, with play offs being the very minimum. And even the bookies seemed to agree. Then a few games were luck wasn't really in Charlton's favor (was it the 2nd or 3rd game when May hits the post, and the other teams scores out of nowhere in the last minute), add the injuries and underperforming players ... 

Like who's fault is it that Fraser didn't perform, in theory one of the better playmakers in L1. Who's fault is it that Camara and Leaburn were out all season? I don't know. But if you have a good squad on paper, then it's not necessary down to bad recruitment.

[bexleyboy]

Apr 30, 2024 4:55:22 GMT zenga said:

Apr 29, 2024 15:08:10 GMT Mundell said:

I’m still trying to understand, beyond the obvious, exactly what went wrong last season and hence what needs to go right now. It seems to me that it’s at least plausible that an important part of the problem was that our recruitment was not aligned with a clear playing strategy and style. This meant that even leaving aside the quality of players recruited, we failed to recruit the right “type” of player or the right “blend” of players. Simply put, Holden was the Head Coach during the summer’s recruitment and then Appleton during January and yet Holden, Appleton and Jones all played in a different way and hence needed different players. 

I often read that the recruitment failed last summer, and I am not claiming it didn't ... but:
- if you have a duo like Leaburn/May upfront
- behind them Fraser/Camara/Dobson
- CBT on the wing
- Hector in the back
... on paper that looked pretty solid last summer. Fraser never lived up to his reputation/the hype. Leaburn and Camara were injured whole season. Hector was mediocre at best, despite it being seen as a no brainer to give him a new contract.

Many fans (both from Charlton and other clubs in L1) thought that it was a side that could go for promotion, with play offs being the very minimum. And even the bookies seemed to agree. Then a few games were luck wasn't really in Charlton's favor (was it the 2nd or 3rd game when May hits the post, and the other teams scores out of nowhere in the last minute), add the injuries and underperforming players ... 

Like who's fault is it that Fraser didn't perform, in theory one of the better playmakers in L1. Who's fault is it that Camara and Leaburn were out all season? I don't know. But if you have a good squad on paper, then it's not necessary down to bad recruitment.


Agree 100% I think Fraser the missing peice in this present system .. without the horrendous injuries again and the way we were playing at that time we lost Leaburn and Aneke plus the other 10 players especially Camara who if fit was still the best midfielder in league one ..still say we would have been challenging for top 6 .

[sevenoaks]

Going by reports from player of the year do, Miles Leaburn won't be back anytime soon, apparently October at the earliest.

[aucklandaddick]

Apr 30, 2024 4:55:22 GMT zenga said:

Apr 29, 2024 15:08:10 GMT Mundell said:

I’m still trying to understand, beyond the obvious, exactly what went wrong last season and hence what needs to go right now. It seems to me that it’s at least plausible that an important part of the problem was that our recruitment was not aligned with a clear playing strategy and style. This meant that even leaving aside the quality of players recruited, we failed to recruit the right “type” of player or the right “blend” of players. Simply put, Holden was the Head Coach during the summer’s recruitment and then Appleton during January and yet Holden, Appleton and Jones all played in a different way and hence needed different players. 

I often read that the recruitment failed last summer, and I am not claiming it didn't ... but:
- if you have a duo like Leaburn/May upfront
- behind them Fraser/Camara/Dobson
- CBT on the wing
- Hector in the back
... on paper that looked pretty solid last summer. Fraser never lived up to his reputation/the hype. Leaburn and Camara were injured whole season. Hector was mediocre at best, despite it being seen as a no brainer to give him a new contract.

Many fans (both from Charlton and other clubs in L1) thought that it was a side that could go for promotion, with play offs being the very minimum. And even the bookies seemed to agree. Then a few games were luck wasn't really in Charlton's favor (was it the 2nd or 3rd game when May hits the post, and the other teams scores out of nowhere in the last minute), add the injuries and underperforming players ... 

Like who's fault is it that Fraser didn't perform, in theory one of the better playmakers in L1. Who's fault is it that Camara and Leaburn were out all season? I don't know. But if you have a good squad on paper, then it's not necessary down to bad recruitment.

The only problem with having a good squad on paper….is that you play on grass…..

With respect 46 games will tell you how good your squad is, We could all tell as far back as Newport away in some mouse cup that we were way off being top 6, we couldn’t even defend against a then struggling league two side.

Fraser simply couldn’t re discover the form that he had the previous year maybe the effect of previous injuries, maybe because Holden played him in the double pivot with Dobson but now he can’t even get a kick in the Scottish league.

I said boringly I know right back in August before the window shut that as a minimum we needed a dominant leader captain in  to play in the middle of the back three….so we bring in a young loan kid who was not good enough to get a kick…

It was pretty obvious that this squad was nowhere near top 6 and could realistically have gone down if it wasn’t for Jones coming  in and getting the back four just conceding one a game rather than the usual 2 or 3 a game….a defence which conceded 65 goals

This was not down to bad luck losing Leaburn and Camara to injuries, we didn’t have enough quality throughout the squad to compete…..the table doesn’t lie after 46 games…. 

 

[aucklandaddick]

Apr 30, 2024 5:51:27 GMT bexleyboy said:

Apr 30, 2024 4:55:22 GMT zenga said:

I often read that the recruitment failed last summer, and I am not claiming it didn't ... but:
- if you have a duo like Leaburn/May upfront
- behind them Fraser/Camara/Dobson
- CBT on the wing
- Hector in the back
... on paper that looked pretty solid last summer. Fraser never lived up to his reputation/the hype. Leaburn and Camara were injured whole season. Hector was mediocre at best, despite it being seen as a no brainer to give him a new contract.

Many fans (both from Charlton and other clubs in L1) thought that it was a side that could go for promotion, with play offs being the very minimum. And even the bookies seemed to agree. Then a few games were luck wasn't really in Charlton's favor (was it the 2nd or 3rd game when May hits the post, and the other teams scores out of nowhere in the last minute), add the injuries and underperforming players ... 

Like who's fault is it that Fraser didn't perform, in theory one of the better playmakers in L1. Who's fault is it that Camara and Leaburn were out all season? I don't know. But if you have a good squad on paper, then it's not necessary down to bad recruitment.


Agree 100% I think Fraser the missing peice in this present system .. without the horrendous injuries again and the way we were playing at that time we lost Leaburn and Aneke plus the other 10 players especially Camara who if fit was still the best midfielder in league one ..still say we would have been challenging for top 6 .

Sorry but with respect this is utter nonsense….every club gets injuries,…..You simply cannot include Aneke within your hard luck story due to the amount of games he has been out injured in previous years…..And as for Camara being the best midfielder in league one, that’s laughable, I would take the likes of Brannigan, Pack & Mendez Laing just for starters over Camara…..sorry but this is Charlton La la land stuff…….Hearts also don’t think Fraser is the missing link as he cant get a kick in the Scottish league, I think injuries have played a part in his drop in form personally and I was a big fan of Fraser the year before….
The table doesn’t lie after 46 games our squad wasn’t nearly good enough to compete and you can’t put our position final down to injuries 

[aaronaldo]

Apr 30, 2024 6:00:51 GMT sevenoaks said:

Going by reports from player of the year do, Miles Leaburn won't be back anytime soon, apparently October at the earliest.

That's pretty insane if true. That's a year out for a hamstring injury?

[ashaddick]

Apr 30, 2024 6:00:51 GMT sevenoaks said:

Going by reports from player of the year do, Miles Leaburn won't be back anytime soon, apparently October at the earliest.

And the worrying thing about that is how often players out with long term injuries fail to ever regain their pre injury qualities.

[aucklandaddick]

Chris Forino might be a name to remember, out of contract in the summer, highly rated, ranked amongst the highest in league for headers, tackles and interceptions….Outmuscled Kanu and May all day last weekend …….Just the sort of non nonsense physical defender that we need…. Alledgedy Wigan are interested but I think if NJ wants any player financially he will get them……..Source not that great, a Wigan based post

[sevenoaks]

Apr 30, 2024 6:55:26 GMT aaronaldo said:

Apr 30, 2024 6:00:51 GMT sevenoaks said:

Going by reports from player of the year do, Miles Leaburn won't be back anytime soon, apparently October at the earliest.

That's pretty insane if true. That's a year out for a hamstring injury?

It was told to friend by Miles.