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Post by paulgdownunder on Sept 11, 2024 11:03:25 GMT
I wouldnt trust an American as far as i could throw em. Money is their God. I am not sure how the US Tax system works ,but i am sure there are accountants out there who look for loss making basket cases and organisations to write off on their tax returns Its only me being very synical about our Trans Atlantic loving cousins, But if they 'flip' the club,you can bet your bottom dollar, it will be just after they have filed an annual tax return
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 11, 2024 12:42:06 GMT
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 11, 2024 13:01:57 GMT
Are we in talks with Leaburn over a new contract do we know? Surely, if we are to have to cash in on him so soon, given the family connections with Trace and Carlo, he'll sign a new contract to maximise his value for the club? I'd love to keep him for at least another season, but sounds like that is very unlikely if he stays fit... So...I know a £4m bid was rejected previously...and I know the Stansfield deal is perhaps an outlier as Birmingham are destroying the market...but Miles' is the same age, physically more imposing, and overall a rarer type of playing profile with much better stats...there aren't any young, English strikers like Miles that I know of....? Stansfield - 21 in 79 (26.5%) Leaburn - 20 in 48 (41.6%) Almost every Premier League and Championship team would surely be interested...so if we do have to lose him, what is he worth....?! |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 11, 2024 14:04:03 GMT
Are we in talks with Leaburn over a new contract do we know? Surely, if we are to have to cash in on him so soon, given the family connections with Trace and Carlo, he'll sign a new contract to maximise his value for the club? I'd love to keep him for at least another season, but sounds like that is very unlikely if he stays fit... So...I know a £4m bid was rejected previously...and I know the Stansfield deal is perhaps an outlier as Birmingham are destroying the market...but Miles' is the same age, physically more imposing, and overall a rarer type of playing profile with much better stats...there aren't any young, English strikers like Miles that I know of....? Stansfield - 21 in 79 (26.5%) Leaburn - 20 in 48 (41.6%) Almost every Premier League and Championship team would surely be interested...so if we do have to lose him, what is he worth....?! Excactly that. I'm not expecting we are able to keep him beyond the next year or so. It's about making sure we can get paid suitably when we do have to sell him. We haven't generally been very good at this considering the talent we have had through our Academy. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 11, 2024 14:56:57 GMT
Stating the obvious I know, but we’ve simply got to persuade Leaburn to sign a new contract. I’d suggest that needs to be a very attractive base package for three or four years, which is a risk for us but which derisks him, along with a release clause which is attractive to us but which doesn’t trap him if he has an attractive opportunity elsewhere.
The sticking point there might be around the release clause. Leaburn might agree to £2m, say, but would he go as high as £5m? The fact that he’s just had a long injury layoff is perhaps helpful to us. Our bargaining position is strongest now while he remains uncertain about the future, but it will steadily weaken as he plays more games.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 11, 2024 15:38:38 GMT
Methven spoke about this on the podcast that was linked on here a while ago. He said that the funding of the club was explained to the new owners as costing a couple of million some seasons but as we receive windfalls from selling players, or from add-ons, that can be reduced, and some seasons there will be no need for 'investment', at all. I understand that to mean that if we are losing c. £3m a season and we get £6m from the sale of Gomez the owners won't have to put any money for two seasons. I also heard a rumour that the intention was to sell Miles Leaburn last January (before he was injured) to fund last season and some of this. It's clear that we are not going to blow millions on trying to win promotion but, let's be honest, that's what Sandgaard did and I believe we are much more likely to get out of this division with the way it is being run, now, than when he was 'running' the club. The approach we have, now, is much more professional. One of the issues with Sandgaard was that he believed he could do it all better than anyone else. This current ownership model recognise that they need the professionals in all the correct positions. There is an argument that we have some people in situ that are not doing well enough but that is about who, not how. If those in senior positions fail to deliver I expect that they will be replaced. That is completely different from having your son choose the players, your girlfriend manage the HR and a guitar wielding arse in charge of everything else - including dictating the tactics and style of play of the first team. This explains why Sandgaard took the club backwards and spent millions of pounds, of his own money, in the process. Arse! The Leaburn rumour is true, I said as much on here during the window. He has lot's of EPL interested and one bid was made but he was advised against a move at this stage of his career with Mason Burstow being cited as one very good reason why. It's quite possible that Miles Leaburn is being helped back to full fitness only to appear in the 2025 shop window! But that move depends upon suitability as well as CAFC prospects. If we're pushing for a play-off final then perhaps he'll stay put and line up an extension. We can be sure that the grapevine will be full of rumours and quotes once he's playing again. Re. the points raised by KHA, that aligns with my understanding in that they're not in the business of trying to buy guaranteed success. Whereas Sandgaard and his entourage had zero EFL experience, our SMT, Manager and Technical Director have a decade each at various clubs. That the club narrative is now aligned to events and possible outcomes says all we need to know about their predecessors! What we don't know is how enthusiastic and flexible the owners might become if we're delivering on the pitch but still require more talent. We'll soon find out in the January window whether funds are found to improve our attacking threat. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 11, 2024 17:06:11 GMT
I agree that we need to get his contract extended as he will almost certainly be on his way in one of the next two windows.
If he were to go in January then it is not the best window for us to buy to replace so part of any deal might be he is loaded back to us until the end of the season.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 11, 2024 17:06:56 GMT
The Leaburn rumour is true, I said as much on here during the window. He has lot's of EPL interested and one bid was made but he was advised against a move at this stage of his career with Mason Burstow being cited as one very good reason why. It's quite possible that Miles Leaburn is being helped back to full fitness only to appear in the 2025 shop window! But that move depends upon suitability as well as CAFC prospects. If we're pushing for a play-off final then perhaps he'll stay put and line up an extension. We can be sure that the grapevine will be full of rumours and quotes once he's playing again. Re. the points raised by KHA, that aligns with my understanding in that they're not in the business of trying to buy guaranteed success. Whereas Sandgaard and his entourage had zero EFL experience, our SMT, Manager and Technical Director have a decade each at various clubs. That the club narrative is now aligned to events and possible outcomes says all we need to know about their predecessors! What we don't know is how enthusiastic and flexible the owners might become if we're delivering on the pitch but still require more talent. We'll soon find out in the January window whether funds are found to improve our attacking threat. The ideal scenario with Leaburn is obviously that he signs a long term contract, almost certainly with some kind of release clause (as above), and that he plays until the end of this season at least. However, to state the obvious again, if Leaburn can’t be persuaded to sign a new contract, committing him to the club beyond the end of this season, then we might face an appalling dilemma in January. If two or more clubs are keen to sign him in January, so that a substantial transfer fee might be paid, it would be a big call to hang onto him given that all we’d then get in the summer would be a development fee. The player is the decision maker here. The only card we have in our hand is the small risk he faces that he might get injured again and find himself with no contract offers in the summer. He might be willing to run that risk, unfortunately, on the basis that being a free agent in demand is a very good position to be in. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 11, 2024 17:12:24 GMT
This sort of thing is really fricking annoying and must be so frustrating for the club. We’ll get peanuts. Worst thing is that having uprooted him they’ll spit him out at 18 if they don’t think he’s going to make the grade or perhaps send him out to the back of beyond on numerous loans. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 11, 2024 18:50:37 GMT
I have no doubt that Miles will sign a new contract even if it only means that we'll get a nice fee for him.
A bid definitely came in but he has decided to stay so it will be signed sometime soon.
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 11, 2024 22:19:49 GMT
I have no doubt that Miles will sign a new contract even if it only means that we'll get a nice fee for him. A bid definitely came in but he has decided to stay so it will be signed sometime soon. As hoped for Reams - I look forward to it being confirmed! Out of interest, given your expertise - in today's market, what would you deem a good fee for Miles if and when we have to sell? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 12, 2024 6:51:23 GMT
I have no doubt that Miles will sign a new contract even if it only means that we'll get a nice fee for him. A bid definitely came in but he has decided to stay so it will be signed sometime soon. As hoped for Reams - I look forward to it being confirmed! Out of interest, given your expertise - in today's market, what would you deem a good fee for Miles if and when we have to sell? When he does eventually go it won't be for anything less than £4m. Providing he finds his best form again and stays injury free. |
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 12, 2024 7:27:53 GMT
As hoped for Reams - I look forward to it being confirmed! Out of interest, given your expertise - in today's market, what would you deem a good fee for Miles if and when we have to sell? When he does eventually go it won't be for anything less than £4m. Providing he finds his best form again and stays injury free. Thanks Reams...but doesn't that still seem ridiculously low to you? Not saying Stansfield is worth £15m+ obviously, but for a young, English striker with his stats, if he stays fit and continues his progression, which you'd imagine in this team would be easier than before, surely he MUST be worth at least £10m....even just for his age, potential and resale reasons?!? |
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Post by revilo on Sept 12, 2024 7:29:12 GMT
Can we change the title of this thread to remove summer, we're well and truly out of the summer period.
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 12, 2024 7:31:47 GMT
When he does eventually go it won't be for anything less than £4m. Providing he finds his best form again and stays injury free. Thanks Reams...but doesn't that still seem ridiculously low to you? Not saying Stansfield is worth £15m+ obviously, but for a young, English striker with his stats, if he stays fit and continues his progression, which you'd imagine in this team would be easier than before, surely he MUST be worth at least £10m....even just for his age, potential and resale reasons?!? Spin it on it’s head though. If we signed a player with Miles’s injury record (especially for a big fee and on a long contract) our fans would be moaning, and the man responsible for signing him would never stop being criticised if the injuries continued after he signed for us. |
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 12, 2024 8:44:11 GMT
Thanks Reams...but doesn't that still seem ridiculously low to you? Not saying Stansfield is worth £15m+ obviously, but for a young, English striker with his stats, if he stays fit and continues his progression, which you'd imagine in this team would be easier than before, surely he MUST be worth at least £10m....even just for his age, potential and resale reasons?!? Spin it on it’s head though. If we signed a player with Miles’s injury record (especially for a big fee and on a long contract) our fans would be moaning, and the man responsible for signing him would never stop being criticised if the injuries continued after he signed for us. I understand your point KHA, but his injury record isn't that bad....as far as I know, some minor ligament damage from a rolled ankle is basically it, and that is a common injury in most sports, regardless of age.... he didn't break down, or regularly struggle for fitness - that absolute cnut, Taofiq Olomowewefor smashed into him in preseason at Welling. He got injured by a horrific tackle - that is just bad luck, and very different to having an injury record like poor old Chuks has for example, and can happen to anyone. Thankfully for once, we're able to not rush our players back and give them the best possible medical care & rehab...something that we haven't been able to do for about 20 years by all accounts! Surely his age, physique, potential and stats to date (of almost 1 in 2, in pretty poor teams) should outweigh that unfortunate tackle? If he's 'only' worth £4m now, then surely it would be better for us as a squad and as a club to keep him....we don't need the money thankfully, and whilst it would of course help to offset running costs, it is hardly the going rate for such a rare talent...nor enough to really make much difference to our owners. If offers that are genuinely significant come in, ie. at least £10m+ with additional add ons, then you'd understand them being considered (unless it's Chelsea, then he may as well retire now!) We have an absolutely woeful record of negotiating transfers over the years - for once, we don't need to sell, so FFS, let's play hardball - if we must! |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 12, 2024 9:14:27 GMT
Thanks Reams...but doesn't that still seem ridiculously low to you? Not saying Stansfield is worth £15m+ obviously, but for a young, English striker with his stats, if he stays fit and continues his progression, which you'd imagine in this team would be easier than before, surely he MUST be worth at least £10m....even just for his age, potential and resale reasons?!? Spin it on it’s head though. If we signed a player with Miles’s injury record (especially for a big fee and on a long contract) our fans would be moaning, and the man responsible for signing him would never stop being criticised if the injuries continued after he signed for us. Most of Miles' issues have come about as he has grown into his body. I'm a tall guy like him and when I was younger I used to have the most excruciating pain in my achiles tendons when I used to go training and started running. It moved from there into my thighs and hamstrings then eventually I grew out of both by the time I was in my early 20's. |
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Post by shazza on Sept 12, 2024 11:13:43 GMT
yes I agree reams. the things that make himself so good and such a rare talent are maybe the things that have caused him injury. tall, quick and strong with good feet. you don't see all those things in one package to after. stay fit and he will go right to the top. let's hope we can enjoy him a little longer and we cam take advantage of his talents to get into the championship which might help us keep him a bit longer. I am sure he will be playing EPL by 26-27 at the latest
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 12, 2024 11:32:31 GMT
Spin it on it’s head though. If we signed a player with Miles’s injury record (especially for a big fee and on a long contract) our fans would be moaning, and the man responsible for signing him would never stop being criticised if the injuries continued after he signed for us. Most of Miles' issues have come about as he has grown into his body. I'm a tall guy like him and when I was younger I used to have the most excruciating pain in my achiles tendons when I used to go training and started running. It moved from there into my thighs and hamstrings then eventually I grew out of both by the time I was in my early 20's. I'm sure that is all correct Reams but I would still bet my house that there would be an outcry if we signed a player that had only played 90 minutes twice in sixteen months. The gamble to a club, to give him a long contract, may, well, be ignored based on what you say (these clubs will have specialists that understand the issues you describe) but I think there are a lot of variables involved and if he doesn't make it then a £10m transfer fee and c. £2m a season for four years is a lot to pay unless the club is one of the massive ones and I'm not sure one of those will be interested. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 12, 2024 14:53:59 GMT
When he does eventually go it won't be for anything less than £4m. Providing he finds his best form again and stays injury free. Thanks Reams...but doesn't that still seem ridiculously low to you? Not saying Stansfield is worth £15m+ obviously, but for a young, English striker with his stats, if he stays fit and continues his progression, which you'd imagine in this team would be easier than before, surely he MUST be worth at least £10m....even just for his age, potential and resale reasons?!? I’d be absolutely amazed if we get anything like £10m for Leaburn, unfortunately. Even £4m might be a stretch and the reason is his contract situation. At this point Leaburn has two options. First, he could simply run down his contract so that he becomes a free agent in the summer. There is a small risk to him in doing this, but being a free agent in demand is a very good place to be for a young player with ambition. Second, he could choose to sign a new contract which takes him beyond the end of this season. However, in this scenario he’d be very ill-advised not to insist on a release clause which would give him control of his next move. This is what Joe Gomez did of course. Leaburn would want that release clause to be “reasonable” and even £5m might put off many of the potential buyers. It would probably be easier for the club to insert a sizeable sell on fee in that release clause than to insist on a big headline number. If Leaburn does not sign a new contract then it’s possible there could be a bidding war in January with the club a motivated seller. However, the club wouldn’t have much of a negotiating position in these circumstances and, in any event, Leaburn could still choose to run his contract down if he feels he might do better in the summer. Sadly, I don’t think we’re likely to sell Leaburn for big bucks and perhaps the best chance of a big windfall from his sale is if he initially signs for a club in the Championship or a lower tier club in the EPL before eventually moving to one of the very big clubs for mega bucks. |
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 12, 2024 18:11:03 GMT
Thanks Reams...but doesn't that still seem ridiculously low to you? Not saying Stansfield is worth £15m+ obviously, but for a young, English striker with his stats, if he stays fit and continues his progression, which you'd imagine in this team would be easier than before, surely he MUST be worth at least £10m....even just for his age, potential and resale reasons?!? I’d be absolutely amazed if we get anything like £10m for Leaburn, unfortunately. Even £4m might be a stretch and the reason is his contract situation. At this point Leaburn has two options. First, he could simply run down his contract so that he becomes a free agent in the summer. There is a small risk to him in doing this, but being a free agent in demand is a very good place to be for a young player with ambition. Second, he could choose to sign a new contract which takes him beyond the end of this season. However, in this scenario he’d be very ill-advised not to insist on a release clause which would give him control of his next move. This is what Joe Gomez did of course. Leaburn would want that release clause to be “reasonable” and even £5m might put off many of the potential buyers. It would probably be easier for the club to insert a sizeable sell on fee in that release clause than to insist on a big headline number. If Leaburn does not sign a new contract then it’s possible there could be a bidding war in January with the club a motivated seller. However, the club wouldn’t have much of a negotiating position in these circumstances and, in any event, Leaburn could still choose to run his contract down if he feels he might do better in the summer. Sadly, I don’t think we’re likely to sell Leaburn for big bucks and perhaps the best chance of a big windfall from his sale is if he initially signs for a club in the Championship or a lower tier club in the EPL before eventually moving to one of the very big clubs for mega bucks. Understand your point, and maybe I'm being a little naive but I know Trace well enough, and I cannot believe for one second his parents would allow him to run down his contract. Sure, he is a young man now and can make his own decisions, but it would be a huge fuck you to the club his parents work(ed) so hard for, and regardless of agents or ego, I cannot believe they would let him follow Burstow's mistakes... We've stood by him through the months of this injury and his parents are part of the fabric here....if he's good enough, he'll get the moves. He needs to sign a new contract, perhaps with clauses as suggested above, but £5m is not going to put off anyone - it's a drop in the well, and strikers like him do not grow on trees. This is a transfer market where a relatively unproven 18 year old CB, Archie Gray goes for £30m....there is no way £4/£5m for a young English striker, especially one with his unique blend of attributes, and with stats of 1 in 2 makes any sense at all. We already know Chelsea, Brentford and Villa have expressed a serious interest, plus an offer from at least one club in the Bundesliga - if he goes for anywhere near £4m, I'll consider it a massive failing, yet again on our part in terms of negotiating. Stay, play and everything else will come in time! |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 12, 2024 18:43:13 GMT
I’d be absolutely amazed if we get anything like £10m for Leaburn, unfortunately. Even £4m might be a stretch and the reason is his contract situation. At this point Leaburn has two options. First, he could simply run down his contract so that he becomes a free agent in the summer. There is a small risk to him in doing this, but being a free agent in demand is a very good place to be for a young player with ambition. Second, he could choose to sign a new contract which takes him beyond the end of this season. However, in this scenario he’d be very ill-advised not to insist on a release clause which would give him control of his next move. This is what Joe Gomez did of course. Leaburn would want that release clause to be “reasonable” and even £5m might put off many of the potential buyers. It would probably be easier for the club to insert a sizeable sell on fee in that release clause than to insist on a big headline number. If Leaburn does not sign a new contract then it’s possible there could be a bidding war in January with the club a motivated seller. However, the club wouldn’t have much of a negotiating position in these circumstances and, in any event, Leaburn could still choose to run his contract down if he feels he might do better in the summer. Sadly, I don’t think we’re likely to sell Leaburn for big bucks and perhaps the best chance of a big windfall from his sale is if he initially signs for a club in the Championship or a lower tier club in the EPL before eventually moving to one of the very big clubs for mega bucks. Understand your point, and maybe I'm being a little naive but I know Trace well enough, and I cannot believe for one second his parents would allow him to run down his contract. Sure, he is a young man now and can make his own decisions, but it would be a huge fuck you to the club his parents work(ed) so hard for, and regardless of agents or ego, I cannot believe they would let him follow Burstow's mistakes... We've stood by him through the months of this injury and his parents are part of the fabric here....if he's good enough, he'll get the moves. He needs to sign a new contract, perhaps with clauses as suggested above, but £5m is not going to put off anyone - it's a drop in the well, and strikers like him do not grow on trees. This is a transfer market where a relatively unproven 18 year old CB, Archie Gray goes for £30m....there is no way £4/£5m for a young English striker, especially one with his unique blend of attributes, and with stats of 1 in 2 makes any sense at all. We already know Chelsea, Brentford and Villa have expressed a serious interest, plus an offer from at least one club in the Bundesliga - if he goes for anywhere near £4m, I'll consider it a massive failing, yet again on our part in terms of negotiating. Stay, play and everything else will come in time! I hope you’re right. I think the key here is that Leaburn has the strongest bargaining position. The objective of a release clause is that the moment any club approaches us with a commitment to meet the terms of that release clause the player concerned, Leaburn in this case, is free to speak to that club and move if he wishes to do so, whatever the outstanding length of his current contract. It is obviously in the interests of the player for the headline transfer fee in that release clause to be as low as possible. It might be that any club he’d be interested in moving to would be willing to pay £5m or more, but we can’t be certain about that. His “level” might turn out to be above Charlton’s, but only around mid table in the Championship, for the sake of argument. Rationally, Leaburn should want to maximise his flexibility. In any event, given his family’s relationship with the club, let’s hope he signs a long term contract and decides to continue his development with us for at least another eighteen months. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 12, 2024 19:38:12 GMT
I’d be absolutely amazed if we get anything like £10m for Leaburn, unfortunately. Even £4m might be a stretch and the reason is his contract situation. At this point Leaburn has two options. First, he could simply run down his contract so that he becomes a free agent in the summer. There is a small risk to him in doing this, but being a free agent in demand is a very good place to be for a young player with ambition. Second, he could choose to sign a new contract which takes him beyond the end of this season. However, in this scenario he’d be very ill-advised not to insist on a release clause which would give him control of his next move. This is what Joe Gomez did of course. Leaburn would want that release clause to be “reasonable” and even £5m might put off many of the potential buyers. It would probably be easier for the club to insert a sizeable sell on fee in that release clause than to insist on a big headline number. If Leaburn does not sign a new contract then it’s possible there could be a bidding war in January with the club a motivated seller. However, the club wouldn’t have much of a negotiating position in these circumstances and, in any event, Leaburn could still choose to run his contract down if he feels he might do better in the summer. Sadly, I don’t think we’re likely to sell Leaburn for big bucks and perhaps the best chance of a big windfall from his sale is if he initially signs for a club in the Championship or a lower tier club in the EPL before eventually moving to one of the very big clubs for mega bucks. Understand your point, and maybe I'm being a little naive but I know Trace well enough, and I cannot believe for one second his parents would allow him to run down his contract. Sure, he is a young man now and can make his own decisions, but it would be a huge fuck you to the club his parents work(ed) so hard for, and regardless of agents or ego, I cannot believe they would let him follow Burstow's mistakes... We've stood by him through the months of this injury and his parents are part of the fabric here....if he's good enough, he'll get the moves. He needs to sign a new contract, perhaps with clauses as suggested above, but £5m is not going to put off anyone - it's a drop in the well, and strikers like him do not grow on trees. This is a transfer market where a relatively unproven 18 year old CB, Archie Gray goes for £30m....there is no way £4/£5m for a young English striker, especially one with his unique blend of attributes, and with stats of 1 in 2 makes any sense at all. We already know Chelsea, Brentford and Villa have expressed a serious interest, plus an offer from at least one club in the Bundesliga - if he goes for anywhere near £4m, I'll consider it a massive failing, yet again on our part in terms of negotiating. Stay, play and everything else will come in time! If a club can secure him for c. £5m less then who do you think gets that £5m? The agent will get some but so will the player. Why would Miles Leaburn want to give up £5m so that the likes of a Charlie Methven can have it? If it were my son, and I’ve been a a Charlton fan for over 40 years and missed less than a dozen home games in the last 35 years, I’d tell him to run his contract down or sign a new one with a modest release clause. |
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 13, 2024 9:15:01 GMT
Understand your point, and maybe I'm being a little naive but I know Trace well enough, and I cannot believe for one second his parents would allow him to run down his contract. Sure, he is a young man now and can make his own decisions, but it would be a huge fuck you to the club his parents work(ed) so hard for, and regardless of agents or ego, I cannot believe they would let him follow Burstow's mistakes... We've stood by him through the months of this injury and his parents are part of the fabric here....if he's good enough, he'll get the moves. He needs to sign a new contract, perhaps with clauses as suggested above, but £5m is not going to put off anyone - it's a drop in the well, and strikers like him do not grow on trees. This is a transfer market where a relatively unproven 18 year old CB, Archie Gray goes for £30m....there is no way £4/£5m for a young English striker, especially one with his unique blend of attributes, and with stats of 1 in 2 makes any sense at all. We already know Chelsea, Brentford and Villa have expressed a serious interest, plus an offer from at least one club in the Bundesliga - if he goes for anywhere near £4m, I'll consider it a massive failing, yet again on our part in terms of negotiating. Stay, play and everything else will come in time! If a club can secure him for c. £5m less then who do you think gets that £5m? The agent will get some but so will the player. Why would Miles Leaburn want to give up £5m so that the likes of a Charlie Methven can have it? If it were my son, and I’ve been a a Charlton fan for over 40 years and missed less than a dozen home games in the last 35 years, I’d tell him to run his contract down or sign a new one with a modest release clause. Thanks for that insight...evidently no point further discussing this - I just sincerely hope Carlo and Trace are nothing like you! Anyway....hopefully today with the U21s is the first step back to a very near return to first team action for Miles. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 13, 2024 9:59:52 GMT
If a club can secure him for c. £5m less then who do you think gets that £5m? The agent will get some but so will the player. Why would Miles Leaburn want to give up £5m so that the likes of a Charlie Methven can have it? If it were my son, and I’ve been a a Charlton fan for over 40 years and missed less than a dozen home games in the last 35 years, I’d tell him to run his contract down or sign a new one with a modest release clause. Thanks for that insight...evidently no point further discussing this - I just sincerely hope Carlo and Trace are nothing like you! Anyway....hopefully today with the U21s is the first step back to a very near return to first team action for Miles. When you say 'nothing like me' do you mean you hope that they will ask their son to give his current employer c. £5m? A sum that Methven has already told us means that he can go back to his paymasters and tell them that they can keep their money in their pockets for another season or two? To be honest I think I would lose respect for a parent if they tried to convinced their child to channel his/her money to a group of multi-billionaires. It's not as though the billionaires need it, is it? I'm sorry if you don't like it but I suspect that Mr and Mrs Leaburn are a lot more like me. Their son could have an injury or a loss of form - where would Diego Poyet be now if he hadn't secured a long contract with West Ham when he did? Anyway, I think you're correct, neither of us are going to change what we believe. I will admit that I am a rather cynical when it comes to human nature and let's not forget that the club is hardly very loyal to players that it doesn't think it can make money from. We can't expect the best players to hang around so the club can make money on them, all the while the club discard players, that have been very loyal, as they believe that can get a better/cheaper deal elsewhere. |
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 13, 2024 11:15:04 GMT
I think you're very deliberately missing multiple points to try and suit your view, but so be it! Regardless, I just hope Miles signs a new contract soon, stays fit and stays as long as possible in SE7.
Moving on...Reams, has there been any word on the possibility of using the free agent market? Marcus Browne being touted by a number of fans as perhaps a more creative player we could look at (but has had some injury issues before) - any other names or suggestions?
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Post by chertseyaddick on Sept 13, 2024 14:50:40 GMT
From Miles's point of view, a £10m release clause rather than £5m might enhance the offer and contract he gets from the buying club. Many Championship clubs could probably meet the latter, but the more is paid for him, the greater chance he gets to play and repay the investment.
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Sept 13, 2024 15:07:55 GMT
When people talk about 'creative' midfielders i assume they primarily mean people who chip in with goals and assists (or 'goal involvements' as the two combined are known). I thought I'd do a very quick check of how creative our current midfielders are on that basis, alongside some more 'creative' free agents who are either still available or just recently snapped up.
To keep things simple I've used the stats on Transfermarkt and am going by total minutes played rather than appearances (since a full game provides ten times as much opportunity for goal involvements as a 9 minute sub appearance). Do note that these stats cover all divisions plus cup games and (for players at Premier League clubs) some U21/U18 league stuff.
Also, bear in mind they count playing a full game as 90 minutes (even though it's closer to 100 these days). Still, that makes it easier to calculate these per minute figures into per game terms: 270 is a goal involvement every three games, 360 is every four, 450 is every five, and so on. Here we go then and remember lower numbers are better as this is the number of minutes played per goal or assist.
CURRENT PLAYERS
Luke Berry: 265 minutes (467 apps, 88 goals, 35 assists)
Greg Docherty: 307 minutes (335 apps, 29 goals, 44 assists)
Karoy Anderson: 423 minutes (42 apps, 3 goals, 4 assists)
Allan Campbell: 525 minutes (262 apps, 23 goals, 16 assists)
Conor Coventry: 614 minutes (193 apps, 12 goals, 13 assists)
Terry Taylor: 803 minutes (140 apps, 1 goal, 11 assists)
FREE AGENTS
Scott Fraser: 205 minutes (387 apps, 61 goals, 78 assists)
Marcus Browne: 217 minutes (190 apps, 32 goals, 22 assists)
Fred Onyedinma*: 248 minutes (343 apps, 40 goals, 34 assists)
Daniel Johnson*: 259 minutes (469 apps, 80 goals, 57 assists)
*Onyedinma recently signed for Wycombe. Presumably (given NJ knows him well) we either chose not to go for him or were outbid on wages. Johnson recently joined a club in Turkey.
Basically, the only free agent AMs out there with a decent track record at this level are Fraser and Browne. Fraser has the better stats - maybe we should go for him?
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 13, 2024 16:15:05 GMT
When people talk about 'creative' midfielders i assume they primarily mean people who chip in with goals and assists (or 'goal involvements' as the two combined are known). I thought I'd do a very quick check of how creative our current midfielders are on that basis, alongside some more 'creative' free agents who are either still available or just recently snapped up. To keep things simple I've used the stats on Transfermarkt and am going by total minutes played rather than appearances (since a full game provides ten times as much opportunity for goal involvements as a 9 minute sub appearance). Do note that these stats cover all divisions plus cup games and (for players at Premier League clubs) some U21/U18 league stuff. Also, bear in mind they count playing a full game as 90 minutes (even though it's closer to 100 these days). Still, that makes it easier to calculate these per minute figures into per game terms: 270 is a goal involvement every three games, 360 is every four, 450 is every five, and so on. Here we go then and remember lower numbers are better as this is the number of minutes played per goal or assist. CURRENT PLAYERS Luke Berry: 265 minutes (467 apps, 88 goals, 35 assists) Greg Docherty: 307 minutes (335 apps, 29 goals, 44 assists) Karoy Anderson: 423 minutes (42 apps, 3 goals, 4 assists) Allan Campbell: 525 minutes (262 apps, 23 goals, 16 assists) Conor Coventry: 614 minutes (193 apps, 12 goals, 13 assists) Terry Taylor: 803 minutes (140 apps, 1 goal, 11 assists) FREE AGENTS Scott Fraser: 205 minutes (387 apps, 61 goals, 78 assists) Marcus Browne: 217 minutes (190 apps, 32 goals, 22 assists) Fred Onyedinma*: 248 minutes (343 apps, 40 goals, 34 assists) Daniel Johnson*: 259 minutes (469 apps, 80 goals, 57 assists) *Onyedinma recently signed for Wycombe. Presumably (given NJ knows him well) we either chose not to go for him or were outbid on wages. Johnson recently joined a club in Turkey. Basically, the only free agent AMs out there with a decent track record at this level are Fraser and Browne. Fraser has the better stats - maybe we should go for him? Interesting analysis - thank you..not sure about this Fraser chap though!  |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Sept 13, 2024 16:17:07 GMT
When people talk about 'creative' midfielders i assume they primarily mean people who chip in with goals and assists (or 'goal involvements' as the two combined are known). I thought I'd do a very quick check of how creative our current midfielders are on that basis, alongside some more 'creative' free agents who are either still available or just recently snapped up. To keep things simple I've used the stats on Transfermarkt and am going by total minutes played rather than appearances (since a full game provides ten times as much opportunity for goal involvements as a 9 minute sub appearance). Do note that these stats cover all divisions plus cup games and (for players at Premier League clubs) some U21/U18 league stuff. Also, bear in mind they count playing a full game as 90 minutes (even though it's closer to 100 these days). Still, that makes it easier to calculate these per minute figures into per game terms: 270 is a goal involvement every three games, 360 is every four, 450 is every five, and so on. Here we go then and remember lower numbers are better as this is the number of minutes played per goal or assist. CURRENT PLAYERS Luke Berry: 265 minutes (467 apps, 88 goals, 35 assists) Greg Docherty: 307 minutes (335 apps, 29 goals, 44 assists) Karoy Anderson: 423 minutes (42 apps, 3 goals, 4 assists) Allan Campbell: 525 minutes (262 apps, 23 goals, 16 assists) Conor Coventry: 614 minutes (193 apps, 12 goals, 13 assists) Terry Taylor: 803 minutes (140 apps, 1 goal, 11 assists) FREE AGENTS Scott Fraser: 205 minutes (387 apps, 61 goals, 78 assists) Marcus Browne: 217 minutes (190 apps, 32 goals, 22 assists) Fred Onyedinma*: 248 minutes (343 apps, 40 goals, 34 assists) Daniel Johnson*: 259 minutes (469 apps, 80 goals, 57 assists) *Onyedinma recently signed for Wycombe. Presumably (given NJ knows him well) we either chose not to go for him or were outbid on wages. Johnson recently joined a club in Turkey. Basically, the only free agent AMs out there with a decent track record at this level are Fraser and Browne. Fraser has the better stats - maybe we should go for him? As much as I love stats. This just proves that they can't always be taken at face value. Look at Fraser there. He looks a beast. But it's not happened with us. |
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