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Post by weststandfruitloop on Sept 6, 2024 21:48:47 GMT
It was no surprise to anyone with any sense mate……..what surprised me was the short term contract for Potts…..I am not sure we could actually afford him on a normal size contract……and we are being told we have a top 4 budget……🤔🤔🤔🤔 The impression I got with both Potts & Hylton is that nobody else wanted them but they still wanted crazy money, so it was a case of waiting for them to get so desperate that they'd finally accept the dogshit level of wages our billionaire owners might pay. It's a sad state of affairs all round, but hopefully they will both contribute (I'm sure Potts will, I'm way less sure re Hylton). |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 6, 2024 21:49:17 GMT
Jesus Christ am I the only person here without the memory of a goldfish. Nathan Jones openly stated in his pre-season interview (about a month ago) that he intended to sign both Dan Potts and Danny Hylton. If either of those people signing has come as a surprise to you, you probably should (no offence) pay a bit more attention. It was no surprise to anyone with any sense mate……..what surprised me was the short term contract for Potts…..I am not sure we could actually afford him on a normal size contract……and we are being told we have a top 4 budget……🤔🤔🤔🤔 Let's assume for a moment that Nathan Jones knows what he's doing! Seeing as he steered us out of a relegation dogfight last season, and now has us challenging for the play-offs that doesn't appear unreasonable. That's not a free pass on everything, but let's see how things pan out in September/ October before we rush to judge the approach and the squad. Asides from expecting Edwards plus Leaburn back soon enough, we're essentially locked into this squad for 16 weeks. We all hope that it will develop and let's hope our gates and commercial revenues improve too. And that the owners also inject sufficient cash before the January window so as to keep pushing on. |
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Post by cafc81 on Sept 6, 2024 22:07:49 GMT
kanu will go to national league soon as leaburn back in team that came from Richard cawley couple weeks ago Please excuse my ignorance but can you loan players to the national league outside of the transfer windows? I think you can if you are U21 |
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Post by scoham on Sept 6, 2024 22:34:29 GMT
kanu will go to national league soon as leaburn back in team that came from Richard cawley couple weeks ago Please excuse my ignorance but can you loan players to the national league outside of the transfer windows? Yes but loaning Kanu to that level doesn’t make sense, last season he offered far more in L1 than Hylton did with his 4 appearances. |
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Post by se17foxy on Sept 6, 2024 23:37:13 GMT
Please excuse my ignorance but can you loan players to the national league outside of the transfer windows? Yes but loaning Kanu to that level doesn’t make sense, last season he offered far more in L1 than Hylton did with his 4 appearances. Kanu needs to be playing football. He’s down the pecking order here, so I think if an opportunity arises to loan him back into the national league it would be sensible to do. His overall game is still incredibly raw and that won’t change sitting in our U21’s or the bench |
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Post by flboy84 on Sept 7, 2024 1:02:39 GMT
Good signing is Potts……another leader in the squad / team……… but looking at the short term contract offered it looks like we only have the budget for one more player so we will no doubt bring another player in ( probably Hylton) on the same length of contract…..not exactly showing the ambition of a club looking to progress unless of course the player only wanted a short term contract…… Don't see it that way personally. No secret Potts' medicals have not been the best over the past couple of years. It's a low risk move that still allows the club the flexibilty of using his wage toward an upgrade in Jan or to re-up him if the partnership is going well & he's proven the health issues are behind him. Think he'll add a lot to the squad whether he's on the bench or the pitch. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 7, 2024 6:51:13 GMT
Jesus Christ am I the only person here without the memory of a goldfish. Nathan Jones openly stated in his pre-season interview (about a month ago) that he intended to sign both Dan Potts and Danny Hylton. If either of those people signing has come as a surprise to you, you probably should (no offence) pay a bit more attention. Unfortunately, it was no surprise to me but I hoped we would bring in better than Hylton towards the end of the window. |
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Post by discocafc on Sept 7, 2024 7:59:12 GMT
Jesus Christ am I the only person here without the memory of a goldfish. Nathan Jones openly stated in his pre-season interview (about a month ago) that he intended to sign both Dan Potts and Danny Hylton. If either of those people signing has come as a surprise to you, you probably should (no offence) pay a bit more attention. Fiiiiiiiiiiissssssssh |
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Post by clarky on Sept 7, 2024 8:17:45 GMT
Yes but loaning Kanu to that level doesn’t make sense, last season he offered far more in L1 than Hylton did with his 4 appearances. Kanu needs to be playing football. He’s down the pecking order here, so I think if an opportunity arises to loan him back into the national league it would be sensible to do. His overall game is still incredibly raw and that won’t change sitting in our U21’s or the bench Kanu is a difficult one. I agree he needs game time to progress and with it he may improve enough to make a regular start at L1 level. However, we need to get out of the league and I would rather have him on the bench than Hylton. But if we were lucky enough to go up neither would be good enough in the Championship. |
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Post by scoham on Sept 7, 2024 8:33:45 GMT
Yes but loaning Kanu to that level doesn’t make sense, last season he offered far more in L1 than Hylton did with his 4 appearances. Kanu needs to be playing football. He’s down the pecking order here, so I think if an opportunity arises to loan him back into the national league it would be sensible to do. His overall game is still incredibly raw and that won’t change sitting in our U21’s or the bench He does but with Aneke’s limitations, Leaburn returning from a serious injury, Dixon needing time to settle, and Ahadme and Campbell not yet nailing their starting places in the team there could soon be a situation in which Kanu gets plenty of game time. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 7, 2024 8:44:46 GMT
Nathan Jones’s fingerprints are all over the club’s playing and recruitment strategies so we just have to hope he knows what he’s doing and that those strategies work. Jones has repeatedly said “we can’t compete with some” or words to that effect. Let’s get real though. The overwhelming majority of clubs in League One can’t compete with us.
I guess the positive side of the signings of Potts and Hylton (if he signs) is that they are low risk. We’ve all seen how player contracts are actually liabilities as well as assets (Aneke, Fraser and others) and given that neither Potts nor Hylton would have any resale value, the liability side of the balance sheet dominates in their case.
With a short term contract for Potts we do perhaps run a small risk that he’ll put himself in the shop window and win a contract elsewhere in January that we can’t match. That would be a nice problem to have though, especially when measured against the possibility we might sign another dud who isn’t fit enough to play regularly.
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Post by bexleyboy on Sept 7, 2024 8:53:55 GMT
Jesus Christ am I the only person here without the memory of a goldfish. Nathan Jones openly stated in his pre-season interview (about a month ago) that he intended to sign both Dan Potts and Danny Hylton. If either of those people signing has come as a surprise to you, you probably should (no offence) pay a bit more attention. Unfortunately, it was no surprise to me but I hoped we would bring in better than Hylton towards the end of the window. Why would you waste money on someone better on bigger wages just to back up .. and coach blimey glad lot of these fans don’t run the club be bankrupt in a week |
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Post by garrynelson on Sept 7, 2024 9:00:27 GMT
Unfortunately, it was no surprise to me but I hoped we would bring in better than Hylton towards the end of the window. Why would you waste money on someone better on bigger wages just to back up .. and coach blimey glad lot of these fans don’t run the club be bankrupt in a week Yeah, you’re right. Why would fans want better players to play for the club? The idiots |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Sept 7, 2024 9:21:57 GMT
Unfortunately, it was no surprise to me but I hoped we would bring in better than Hylton towards the end of the window. Why would you waste money on someone better on bigger wages just to back up .. and coach blimey glad lot of these fans don’t run the club be bankrupt in a week Why would we waste player budget on Hylton just to be a back up that can't score, or to "coach" the players in training? Jones is helping his mate out and that's it! Nobody will tell me otherwise. Don't talk about wasting money and then agree with the complete waste that is signing Hylton. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 7, 2024 9:28:23 GMT
Unfortunately, it was no surprise to me but I hoped we would bring in better than Hylton towards the end of the window. Why would you waste money on someone better on bigger wages just to back up .. and coach blimey glad lot of these fans don’t run the club be bankrupt in a week Why would you waste money on Hylton when you already have Kanu as back up? If you think bringing in a striker (perhaps even a loan signing) who is better than our back ups and one that may even start a game would bankrupt a club run by three billionaires then you are clearly far more deluded than I thought you were. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2024 10:01:46 GMT
To be fair Hylton is a different kind of striker. Granted he may not have many goals in him these days but when you are in front and trying to see the game out he's your man. He's a horrible fecker to play against apparantly. Niggly and winds up defenders and a master at making sure those around see a yellow card or two.
I don't think we have another player with this kind of expertise so if he's here to play that kind of role off the bench with 10 minutes left to help us protect a lead, that will do for me.
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Post by herewego on Sept 7, 2024 10:30:23 GMT
Sorry reams but that’s just a pointless signing you’re going to waste a slot on the bench to bring in a striker if we’re winning to try and draw niggly fouls. I’m sure Aneke and Godden even Ahadme could do that role aswell as offer much more.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2024 10:33:06 GMT
Im not saying I agree with the signing, or that of Potts for that matter.
Personally it been a very lame end to an average transfer window, however as I have said before no matter who comes in, if we are not going to play to certain strengths of individuals it makes the wheeling and dealing a pointless exercise.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Sept 7, 2024 10:35:35 GMT
To be fair Hylton is a different kind of striker. Granted he may not have many goals in him these days but when you are in front and trying to see the game out he's your man. He's a horrible fecker to play against apparantly. Niggly and winds up defenders and a master at making sure those around see a yellow card or two. I don't think we have another player with this kind of expertise so if he's here to play that kind of role off the bench with 10 minutes left to help us protect a lead, that will do for me. We'll need plenty of "gamesmanship" and shithousery to blag the top 6,and I'm comfortable in the fact the plan seems to be Luton 2.0,its a clear plan,I hate this cliche but we must trust the process and let NJ carry it out. If NJ believes DH/DP have something to offer then so be it,NJ isn't above questioning in my view,but at least we can see a clear direction. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 7, 2024 10:36:32 GMT
Whilst Reams may have a point, on the flip side if you are chasing a game with 10mins to go and your striking option on the bench is Hylton then I wouldn't be happy. To me it would be a pointless signing with further proof we had no money left in the budget to do better.
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Post by grapevine49 on Sept 7, 2024 13:04:33 GMT
I had done my talking.
As indeed has Mr Jones. The work to be done is now on the field of play. Performances and results will speak to the nature of progress achieved. On any given day people will either deliver or they won’t. Any comment I can add will be superfluous.
The template and the roadmap at least until Jan 2025 has been laid out. If it is not for you then it is probably best you finding something else to do for a while. Is there a deal of growing to do? Yes it is why Managers & coaches are there.
Potts was the 11th signing from the Championship or above in 2024. He represents the 17th grown up outfielder in the building. Injured in February he did not kick a ball in anger during the 2023/24 season. I didn’t expect him to sign for any club this preseason. No matter his personal rehabilitation there was likely always going to need to be an accommodation. A short term commitment no doubt reflects a compromise on financial terms.
A January reassessment will likely present different opportunities, challenges and considerations.
Overall little has changed since June. Everybody condemned last season as one of the worst in living memory. Jones fashioned a survival template. The club needed to rebuild. Fraser was the 37th departure from season 2023/2024. (See list below)
Are there gaps in the rebuild? Yes but I am not convinced there is/ was the genuine League 1 talent in the market to warrant the nature of investment involved. The keeper market was a feast of mediocrity or ageing veterans while among creative midfielders far too many flatter to deceive.
Have we not done the strike force debate to death?
Jones inherited a floundering strike force built around a hard working maverick. In essence with Aneke and Leaburn in the treatment room it consisted of May and precious little else. Seldom can any loan player (Ladapo) so emphatically have failed to seize a new employment opportunity ……..and then there was Kanu and then …….Casey, Mbick.
Yet people still berated the temporary signing of Wickham.
We know all this - just as we know for season 2024/2025
⁃ neither Casey or Mbick will likely offer any senior contribution.
⁃ Aneke at no point will offer a normal squad contribution.
⁃ Leaburn has not kicked a ball for a season
⁃ Neither he nor Kanu can offer a CV of a full league season of EFL starts
⁃ Campbell has been offered the chance to contribute in a new role
So yes we actually have 8 names on the books (so who needs a 9th) but In essence
⁃ 5/ 8ths of them are in house development/ rehabilitation projects.
⁃ a 6th is a permanent rehabilitation project
⁃ a 7th is 4 games into a new career where the entire team need to settle to his game.
⁃ we have one proven established pro.
The reality is none of Leaburn, Kanu, Campbell, Casey and Mbick are grown ups. You want an academy this is what it looks like. Bugger me we have even just added, with some acclaim, a 6th novice forward in Dixon.
I make no apology for repeating none have delivered a full season of senior EFL starts. It means none have talked the talk let alone walked the walk and come out the other side. If you don’t think it matters in delivering consistency within a week in and week out promotion campaign then I can but disagree. Every single one of them has considerable growing to do.
So, with Hylton, do I have a problem with another grown up in the building on a minimal player/ coaching contract able to support rather than impede their growth and offer a different option? No
Which established pro do you suppose you can bring in to offer serious game time without blocking an already overloaded development path? Four games in just whose emerging career are you intending to already throwing under the bus?
Within those 4 games in terms of promotion ambitions I agree many aspects of overall performances remain unconvincing but promotions are not won in August or September. True you can lose ground but with 3 won little has been lost. I expect playing structures and patterns to continue to evolve.
No team development ever operates in a straight line. Reading was a step back. It happens……it will happen again. Everybody including Jones and the players is entitled to be disappointed with the performance. It reinforces there is a significant journey to travel. You can choose to recognise it and either enjoy or support it or not - your choice.
4 games into a 46 League game season are we there yet? Are you serious?
Departures-
Abankwah, Adegoke, Adigun, Bakinson, Bakrin, Blackett-Taylor, Camara, C Campbell, Chin, Dobson, Elewere, Fiorini, Fraser, Hector, Henry (loan), Isted, Jaiyesimi, Kirk, F Ladapo, T. Ladapo, Lua Lua, McGrandles, May, Molyneux, Ness, Okechukwu, Payne, Roddy, Santos, Tedic, Thomas, Viggars, Walker, Ward, Watson, Wickham, Williams
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Post by bexleyboy on Sept 7, 2024 13:18:08 GMT
Hylton signed .. mainly as a coach but back
Up if needed , Leaburn they want to play 3 under 23 games starting Tuesday before he considered …
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Post by willett on Sept 7, 2024 13:23:11 GMT
Hylton signed .. mainly as a coach but back Up if needed , Leaburn they want to play 3 under 23 games starting Tuesday before he considered … We haven’t got an Under 23 team have we? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2024 14:48:28 GMT
Yes.
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Post by scoham on Sept 7, 2024 17:03:17 GMT
Hylton signed .. mainly as a coach but back Up if needed , Leaburn they want to play 3 under 23 games starting Tuesday before he considered … We haven’t got an Under 23 team have we? No, they changed to u21s. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2024 17:27:03 GMT
Sorry, yes u21 and u18 teams.
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Post by earlpurple on Sept 9, 2024 13:41:05 GMT
I think the owners probably decided it's better to wait a year and not try to compete with the likes of Birmingham and Wrexham paying crazy amounts.
Maybe if they shift some more of the dead wood and if both those teams get promoted we can have the chance of a top 2 budget and a real promotion push.
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 9, 2024 14:30:07 GMT
I think the owners probably decided it's better to wait a year and not try to compete with the likes of Birmingham and Wrexham paying crazy amounts. Maybe if they shift some more of the dead wood and if both those teams get promoted we can have the chance of a top 2 budget and a real promotion push. That is quite a gamble though. If both of them (or even one of them) fail(s) to go up and one or two decent sides come down we could be even further away. This fails to mention that more of the fans will drift way from the club the longer we are in this God forsaken division, and every year their losses are growing. |
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Post by dickybaby on Sept 9, 2024 14:42:37 GMT
I think the owners probably decided it's better to wait a year and not try to compete with the likes of Birmingham and Wrexham paying crazy amounts. Maybe if they shift some more of the dead wood and if both those teams get promoted we can have the chance of a top 2 budget and a real promotion push. Think this is exactly what is happening and right to do especially giving jones more transfer windows. I’m Enjoying the games more thinking of it as a 2 year promotion push ! |
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Post by eric on Sept 9, 2024 14:42:45 GMT
I think the owners probably decided it's better to wait a year and not try to compete with the likes of Birmingham and Wrexham paying crazy amounts. Maybe if they shift some more of the dead wood and if both those teams get promoted we can have the chance of a top 2 budget and a real promotion push. Can’t see them hanging around another season after this one . If we don’t go up this year , in their eyes the project has failed and they will invest in something else . |
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