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Post by newyorkaddick on Jan 26, 2024 21:01:18 GMT
Is Andy Scott massively involved in first team affairs? I know he has a big input in player recruitment, but does he get involved in the tactical side? Do we know for sure?? He hired a manager (Holden) who did reasonably well last season then got sacked after five games for daring to play 3-5-2 because the threadbare squad (and May) demanded it. He then hired Appleton to play 4-3-3 before realising it was dire and allowed him to set up instead for (and recruit for) 3-5-2 again before sacking him. I'd suggest the evidence is that he does... |
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 26, 2024 21:03:24 GMT
Warnock on a 18 month contract is another very good option in my opinion we would be guaranteed to stay up at least.
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Post by 995632 on Jan 26, 2024 21:13:53 GMT
I don't understand 'failed managers' comments when we're being linked with any manager. Jones, Neil, Duff; they're a step up on the usual dross we get linked with.
No manager, unless they're brand new to the profession, will have a spotless perfect record. Someone mentioned Graham Potter, never in a million years would he come to us but did his failure at Chelsea mean we wouldn't have him? Jose Mourinho sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and now Roma. Gareth Southgate, crap at Middlesbrough. Technically, we should go after Arteta as he has only had success and no real terminal failures in his one and only management role.
When Challinor turned us down, certain people said things along the lines 'poxy L2 club, no experience, we can do better". People say we want a "young up and coming manager" but what one would join us in the predicament we're in? Realistically, we will struggle to get a manager to leave their club to come and join us.
The Charlton link is weird too, wanting players who have a currently decent reputation with us to tarnish it by possibly being infected by the disease and rot currently afflicting us. Mark Kinsella is one if our greatest midfielders but was Assistant Manager to the horror show of the Phil Parkinson era. Have seen JJ, Costa and the other JJ mentioned to be forever tarnished eith our poisoned chalice.
Could be argued Curbs was a one club wonder as he failed at West Ham despite (originally) having LOADS of money to spend. People are clamouring for him to come back but if we didn't already have a connection with us (nearly 20 years ago) and was linked to us, the fan base would be in meltdown about this "has been". Same theory with someone like Phil Parkinson, if you changed his time with us to identical with A.N Other United and then we were linked with him, would he be good manager (Bradford cup run, Wrexham juggernaut promotion/change of fortunes) or forever tarnished for that crap time with us with no money and CackPoo Sodje?
The thing about being passionate (not standing statuesque with hands in pockets) also doesn't ring true, Curbs used to sit in the Directors Box so no one for see what he was doing. Same with Powell; one club wonder and there were people complaining that him hanging off the crossbar was embarrassing and too much. Even worse with Luzon joining the bundle on the pitch and Peeters trying to offer out Uwe Rosler on the touchline (both MASSIVELY unprofessional).
So we need to find the best available candidate, don't care where he's from! Don't really care where they were before if they can turn this giant creaking, damaged boat around and navigate these treacherous waters we currently find ourselves in!
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 26, 2024 21:30:01 GMT
The bookies are rarely wrong in these matters.
It’s their job not to be - remember when Nigel Adkins appeared out of nowhere to go 1/33 in the betting.
Bookies have feelers at every club, and often pay for info.
I’d be pretty confident that the club has interviewed Alex Neil and Nathan Jones in the past 48 hours.
I’ll only start to panic when Chris Powell goes 1/33.
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 26, 2024 21:35:27 GMT
Time will tell but Fleming and Pearce whatever tomorrow’s results aren’t the answer for rest of the season.
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Post by AndyB on Jan 26, 2024 21:39:59 GMT
The bookies are rarely wrong in these matters. It’s their job not to be - remember when Nigel Adkins appeared out of nowhere to go 1/33 in the betting. Bookies have feelers at every club, and often pay for info. I’d be pretty confident that the club has interviewed Alex Neil and Nathan Jones in the past 48 hours. I’ll only start to panic when Chris Powell goes 1/33. Or Les Reed 😂 |
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Post by Bexleyranger on Jan 26, 2024 21:42:43 GMT
Is Andy Scott massively involved in first team affairs? I know he has a big input in player recruitment, but does he get involved in the tactical side? Do we know for sure?? He hired a manager (Holden) who did reasonably well last season then got sacked after five games for daring to play 3-5-2 because the threadbare squad (and May) demanded it. He then hired Appleton to play 4-3-3 before realising it was dire and allowed him to set up instead for (and recruit for) 3-5-2 again before sacking him. I'd suggest the evidence is that he does... Holden got sacked because he wasn’t good and his coaching style was nonexistent not because he wanted to play 3-5-2… No of what you suggested is evidence of Scott being involved in the tactic side of things. Please can you quote or link me to this being apparent? Sick of people making up shit about Scott because he’s got two manager appointments wrong. He got them wrong that’s the end of it. He needs to improve or he should go. |
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Post by suffolkaddick on Jan 26, 2024 21:46:38 GMT
Time will tell but Fleming and Pearce whatever tomorrow’s results aren’t the answer for rest of the season. Have you not contradicted yourself here? |
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 26, 2024 21:49:13 GMT
Possibly 😂 bit like Andy Scott
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Jan 26, 2024 22:46:14 GMT
I don't understand 'failed managers' comments when we're being linked with any manager. Jones, Neil, Duff; they're a step up on the usual dross we get linked with. No manager, unless they're brand new to the profession, will have a spotless perfect record. Someone mentioned Graham Potter, never in a million years would he come to us but did his failure at Chelsea mean we wouldn't have him? Jose Mourinho sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and now Roma. Gareth Southgate, crap at Middlesbrough. Technically, we should go after Arteta as he has only had success and no real terminal failures in his one and only management role. When Challinor turned us down, certain people said things along the lines 'poxy L2 club, no experience, we can do better". People say we want a "young up and coming manager" but what one would join us in the predicament we're in? Realistically, we will struggle to get a manager to leave their club to come and join us. The Charlton link is weird too, wanting players who have a currently decent reputation with us to tarnish it by possibly being infected by the disease and rot currently afflicting us. Mark Kinsella is one if our greatest midfielders but was Assistant Manager to the horror show of the Phil Parkinson era. Have seen JJ, Costa and the other JJ mentioned to be forever tarnished eith our poisoned chalice. Could be argued Curbs was a one club wonder as he failed at West Ham despite (originally) having LOADS of money to spend. People are clamouring for him to come back but if we didn't already have a connection with us (nearly 20 years ago) and was linked to us, the fan base would be in meltdown about this "has been". Same theory with someone like Phil Parkinson, if you changed his time with us to identical with A.N Other United and then we were linked with him, would he be good manager (Bradford cup run, Wrexham juggernaut promotion/change of fortunes) or forever tarnished for that crap time with us with no money and CackPoo Sodje? The thing about being passionate (not standing statuesque with hands in pockets) also doesn't ring true, Curbs used to sit in the Directors Box so no one for see what he was doing. Same with Powell; one club wonder and there were people complaining that him hanging off the crossbar was embarrassing and too much. Even worse with Luzon joining the bundle on the pitch and Peeters trying to offer out Uwe Rosler on the touchline (both MASSIVELY unprofessional). So we need to find the best available candidate, don't care where he's from! Don't really care where they were before if they can turn this giant creaking, damaged boat around and navigate these treacherous waters we currently find ourselves in! |
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Post by paulgdownunder on Jan 26, 2024 23:00:49 GMT
José Mário dos Santos Mourinho Félix , is free ... Then there is Clopp If he is prepared to take a modest pay cut |
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Post by redplanet on Jan 26, 2024 23:07:33 GMT
José Mário dos Santos Mourinho Félix , is free ... Then there is Clopp If he is prepared to take a modest pay cut That would certainly satisfy those needing an entertainer on the sideline. |
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Post by paulgdownunder on Jan 26, 2024 23:18:10 GMT
Klopp once said he would like to play for Millwall, so with that in mind "I'm out". And that would go for Kevin Muskat too He HATES losing ,and was a tenacious tackler and defender.But those positives dont out way the negatives, if he were offered to come to us.He would save us from the drop yes. But there is a limit .It just wont happen I believe KM was in the running for manager at Millwall, a little while back,I could be wrong .He would be right up their alley |
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Post by fourhorsemen on Jan 26, 2024 23:23:49 GMT
The bookies are rarely wrong in these matters. It’s their job not to be - remember when Nigel Adkins appeared out of nowhere to go 1/33 in the betting. Bookies have feelers at every club, and often pay for info. I’d be pretty confident that the club has interviewed Alex Neil and Nathan Jones in the past 48 hours. I’ll only start to panic when Chris Powell goes 1/33. Nathan Jones odds-on at 1/2 on Oddscheker. Our due diligence on players is terrible let's hope we've checked out Nathan properly. His antics when in our away dug out never impressed me. Do we have anyone at the club that knows him? Was Steve Avery at the accademy with him? SMT please tread very carefully with the next manager appointment! |
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Jan 26, 2024 23:42:15 GMT
Now Kevin Muskat that’s a different name and sounds a lot more interesting than some of the names mentioned on here. Does anybody know if he is looking for a job back in this country, I guess a approach will have to be made to him but if Millwall were interested they seem to have a much better record than us recently when it comes to employing managers that are not on the management merry go round.
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Post by paulgdownunder on Jan 26, 2024 23:43:00 GMT
Even though it never nice seeing someone lose their job Apples was clearly not the caliber manager we need. I put the case forward for Michael Duff. 1) Clearly proven in this division. 2) Built a great team spirit at Cheltenham, got promoted from league 2 and was very competitive in league one with Cheltenham and avoided relegation comfortably and you could say prospered with the limited resources at his disposal. 3) Managed Barnsley last season and having seen them play in 7 occasions whilst visiting family I witnessed a really competitive, well above average league 1 team and performances. Attractive, committed football to watch. Even outplayed Sheff Wed in final and think if they hadn’t lost the player in first 20mins of final would have beat Sheff Wed that day. 4) Clearly can motivate players and clearly has the tactical nous. 5) No weight should be given to Swansea appointment - was never going to fit. All this the “the Swansea way” you immediately are on a loser if you try to implement your style of football which has been successful into a team and supporter base that doesn’t have the flexibility to accept it and run with it. So that was the wrong club for a manager who has built up proven way of playing 3-5-2. Which happens to coincide with what we should be playing with the players we have at our disposal. Michael Duff works in league 1 with a 3-5-2 and and hence we should go all out to appoint him ASAP ( Before somebody else sees the merits in having him as their manager ). Even the name evokes images of happier times, for us oldies .Our GK, Willie Duff, back in the late 50s n early 60s. What charcter, almost up there with Bartram. I remember in a cup tie, with Everton at the Valley (2-2) and took us to Goodison Park, where i am sure we must have lost. He ripped off his guernsey ,and threw it to the ground, in a conflict with Dave Hickson the Everton (and England i believe),CF. No yellow cards in those days. And the gurnseys were ALWAYS green For memories sake, its Duff for me . |
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 26, 2024 23:44:11 GMT
Il pass on Muscat. Jones is the man overall I think
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Post by paulgdownunder on Jan 26, 2024 23:47:35 GMT
Is he similar to Appleton though, in terms of not engaging with the fans? I feel like we need that as a club. Something Dean Holden was very good at. I don't disagree but, at this point, I'd rather have a manager that can, actually, win some games. Holden was chatty and all that but he didn't tear up any trees with his results. And his rocking, backwards and forwards, at interviews, was no good for my verdigo,Seriously-A nice bloke |
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Post by paulgdownunder on Jan 27, 2024 0:17:12 GMT
Now Kevin Muskat that’s a different name and sounds a lot more interesting than some of the names mentioned on here. Does anybody know if he is looking for a job back in this country, I guess a approach will have to be made to him but if Millwall were interested they seem to have a much better record than us recently when it comes to employing managers that are not on the management merry go round. All i know is that I believe he left Mebourne Victory, where he won 2 Championships, Which cant be anything special, for the arguably biggest and best rescourced club at the time (pre Melbourne City which is part of the City Group run by Man City) To a club in Japan .I know very little after this About a month ago, i saw his name connected to Millwall, who aparently were seeking a new manager I M O He would be a huge gamble. He would be forgiven for most of his transgressions attatched to history with Charlton if things were going right .But as soon as things go awry,fans would turn on him quicker than a rat up a drainpipe A huge gamble Better left to Millwall to decide |
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Post by hongkongaddick on Jan 27, 2024 1:44:02 GMT
I don't understand 'failed managers' comments when we're being linked with any manager. Jones, Neil, Duff; they're a step up on the usual dross we get linked with. No manager, unless they're brand new to the profession, will have a spotless perfect record. Someone mentioned Graham Potter, never in a million years would he come to us but did his failure at Chelsea mean we wouldn't have him? Jose Mourinho sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and now Roma. Gareth Southgate, crap at Middlesbrough. Technically, we should go after Arteta as he has only had success and no real terminal failures in his one and only management role. When Challinor turned us down, certain people said things along the lines 'poxy L2 club, no experience, we can do better". People say we want a "young up and coming manager" but what one would join us in the predicament we're in? Realistically, we will struggle to get a manager to leave their club to come and join us. The Charlton link is weird too, wanting players who have a currently decent reputation with us to tarnish it by possibly being infected by the disease and rot currently afflicting us. Mark Kinsella is one if our greatest midfielders but was Assistant Manager to the horror show of the Phil Parkinson era. Have seen JJ, Costa and the other JJ mentioned to be forever tarnished eith our poisoned chalice. Could be argued Curbs was a one club wonder as he failed at West Ham despite (originally) having LOADS of money to spend. People are clamouring for him to come back but if we didn't already have a connection with us (nearly 20 years ago) and was linked to us, the fan base would be in meltdown about this "has been". Same theory with someone like Phil Parkinson, if you changed his time with us to identical with A.N Other United and then we were linked with him, would he be good manager (Bradford cup run, Wrexham juggernaut promotion/change of fortunes) or forever tarnished for that crap time with us with no money and CackPoo Sodje? The thing about being passionate (not standing statuesque with hands in pockets) also doesn't ring true, Curbs used to sit in the Directors Box so no one for see what he was doing. Same with Powell; one club wonder and there were people complaining that him hanging off the crossbar was embarrassing and too much. Even worse with Luzon joining the bundle on the pitch and Peeters trying to offer out Uwe Rosler on the touchline (both MASSIVELY unprofessional). So we need to find the best available candidate, don't care where he's from! Don't really care where they were before if they can turn this giant creaking, damaged boat around and navigate these treacherous waters we currently find ourselves in! Very good read that. Thanks for contributing. Of course, I would say that because I agree with you 100%. “Cackpoo Sodje”, lol, I thought he was alright apart from his propensity for getting sent off at awkward times. |
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Post by newyorkaddick on Jan 27, 2024 8:18:28 GMT
He hired a manager (Holden) who did reasonably well last season then got sacked after five games for daring to play 3-5-2 because the threadbare squad (and May) demanded it. He then hired Appleton to play 4-3-3 before realising it was dire and allowed him to set up instead for (and recruit for) 3-5-2 again before sacking him. I'd suggest the evidence is that he does... Holden got sacked because he wasn’t good and his coaching style was nonexistent not because he wanted to play 3-5-2… No of what you suggested is evidence of Scott being involved in the tactic side of things. Please can you quote or link me to this being apparent? Sick of people making up shit about Scott because he’s got two manager appointments wrong. He got them wrong that’s the end of it. He needs to improve or he should go. Holden produced 1.38 PPG, solid midtable form even including the cr*p start to this season when he had no players. Last season he produced near play-off form (1.52 PPG). He wasn't elite by any means but if you're going to sack him you'd better have a better alternative in mind than Michael bleedin' Appleton. The last four months have been absolutely catastrophic. |
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Post by newyorkaddick on Jan 27, 2024 8:28:13 GMT
I don't understand 'failed managers' comments when we're being linked with any manager. Jones, Neil, Duff; they're a step up on the usual dross we get linked with. No manager, unless they're brand new to the profession, will have a spotless perfect record. Someone mentioned Graham Potter, never in a million years would he come to us but did his failure at Chelsea mean we wouldn't have him? Jose Mourinho sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and now Roma. Gareth Southgate, crap at Middlesbrough. Technically, we should go after Arteta as he has only had success and no real terminal failures in his one and only management role. When Challinor turned us down, certain people said things along the lines 'poxy L2 club, no experience, we can do better". People say we want a "young up and coming manager" but what one would join us in the predicament we're in? Realistically, we will struggle to get a manager to leave their club to come and join us. The Charlton link is weird too, wanting players who have a currently decent reputation with us to tarnish it by possibly being infected by the disease and rot currently afflicting us. Mark Kinsella is one if our greatest midfielders but was Assistant Manager to the horror show of the Phil Parkinson era. Have seen JJ, Costa and the other JJ mentioned to be forever tarnished eith our poisoned chalice. Could be argued Curbs was a one club wonder as he failed at West Ham despite (originally) having LOADS of money to spend. People are clamouring for him to come back but if we didn't already have a connection with us (nearly 20 years ago) and was linked to us, the fan base would be in meltdown about this "has been". Same theory with someone like Phil Parkinson, if you changed his time with us to identical with A.N Other United and then we were linked with him, would he be good manager (Bradford cup run, Wrexham juggernaut promotion/change of fortunes) or forever tarnished for that crap time with us with no money and CackPoo Sodje? The thing about being passionate (not standing statuesque with hands in pockets) also doesn't ring true, Curbs used to sit in the Directors Box so no one for see what he was doing. Same with Powell; one club wonder and there were people complaining that him hanging off the crossbar was embarrassing and too much. Even worse with Luzon joining the bundle on the pitch and Peeters trying to offer out Uwe Rosler on the touchline (both MASSIVELY unprofessional). So we need to find the best available candidate, don't care where he's from! Don't really care where they were before if they can turn this giant creaking, damaged boat around and navigate these treacherous waters we currently find ourselves in! Very good read that. Thanks for contributing. Of course, I would say that because I agree with you 100%. “Cackpoo Sodje”, lol, I thought he was alright apart from his propensity for getting sent off at awkward times. Curbs definitely didn't fail at West Ham....he miraculously saved them from relegation then took them to a respectable 10th (49 points) the following season. He resigned early in the following season and they replaced him with Zola who nearly took them down 18 months later. |
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Post by redrobin on Jan 27, 2024 8:37:11 GMT
I don't understand 'failed managers' comments when we're being linked with any manager. Jones, Neil, Duff; they're a step up on the usual dross we get linked with. No manager, unless they're brand new to the profession, will have a spotless perfect record. Someone mentioned Graham Potter, never in a million years would he come to us but did his failure at Chelsea mean we wouldn't have him? Jose Mourinho sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and now Roma. Gareth Southgate, crap at Middlesbrough. Technically, we should go after Arteta as he has only had success and no real terminal failures in his one and only management role. When Challinor turned us down, certain people said things along the lines 'poxy L2 club, no experience, we can do better". People say we want a "young up and coming manager" but what one would join us in the predicament we're in? Realistically, we will struggle to get a manager to leave their club to come and join us. The Charlton link is weird too, wanting players who have a currently decent reputation with us to tarnish it by possibly being infected by the disease and rot currently afflicting us. Mark Kinsella is one if our greatest midfielders but was Assistant Manager to the horror show of the Phil Parkinson era. Have seen JJ, Costa and the other JJ mentioned to be forever tarnished eith our poisoned chalice. Could be argued Curbs was a one club wonder as he failed at West Ham despite (originally) having LOADS of money to spend. People are clamouring for him to come back but if we didn't already have a connection with us (nearly 20 years ago) and was linked to us, the fan base would be in meltdown about this "has been". Same theory with someone like Phil Parkinson, if you changed his time with us to identical with A.N Other United and then we were linked with him, would he be good manager (Bradford cup run, Wrexham juggernaut promotion/change of fortunes) or forever tarnished for that crap time with us with no money and CackPoo Sodje? The thing about being passionate (not standing statuesque with hands in pockets) also doesn't ring true, Curbs used to sit in the Directors Box so no one for see what he was doing. Same with Powell; one club wonder and there were people complaining that him hanging off the crossbar was embarrassing and too much. Even worse with Luzon joining the bundle on the pitch and Peeters trying to offer out Uwe Rosler on the touchline (both MASSIVELY unprofessional). So we need to find the best available candidate, don't care where he's from! Don't really care where they were before if they can turn this giant creaking, damaged boat around and navigate these treacherous waters we currently find ourselves in! Very good read that. Thanks for contributing. Of course, I would say that because I agree with you 100%. “Cackpoo Sodje”, lol, I thought he was alright apart from his propensity for getting sent off at awkward times. Cor Blimey. The Dodgy Sodjes. " we've got two Sodjes" Must have made a mint with the bookies . |
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Post by cafcph on Jan 27, 2024 8:38:25 GMT
There was an interview with the current Spurs boss.
He was talking about Aussie managers, and said of Muscat that he would manage in the prem one day.
Could be drivel, but his results are decent.
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Post by DFT on Jan 27, 2024 9:05:54 GMT
I don't understand 'failed managers' comments when we're being linked with any manager. Jones, Neil, Duff; they're a step up on the usual dross we get linked with. No manager, unless they're brand new to the profession, will have a spotless perfect record. Someone mentioned Graham Potter, never in a million years would he come to us but did his failure at Chelsea mean we wouldn't have him? Jose Mourinho sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and now Roma. Gareth Southgate, crap at Middlesbrough. Technically, we should go after Arteta as he has only had success and no real terminal failures in his one and only management role. When Challinor turned us down, certain people said things along the lines 'poxy L2 club, no experience, we can do better". People say we want a "young up and coming manager" but what one would join us in the predicament we're in? Realistically, we will struggle to get a manager to leave their club to come and join us. The Charlton link is weird too, wanting players who have a currently decent reputation with us to tarnish it by possibly being infected by the disease and rot currently afflicting us. Mark Kinsella is one if our greatest midfielders but was Assistant Manager to the horror show of the Phil Parkinson era. Have seen JJ, Costa and the other JJ mentioned to be forever tarnished eith our poisoned chalice. Could be argued Curbs was a one club wonder as he failed at West Ham despite (originally) having LOADS of money to spend. People are clamouring for him to come back but if we didn't already have a connection with us (nearly 20 years ago) and was linked to us, the fan base would be in meltdown about this "has been". Same theory with someone like Phil Parkinson, if you changed his time with us to identical with A.N Other United and then we were linked with him, would he be good manager (Bradford cup run, Wrexham juggernaut promotion/change of fortunes) or forever tarnished for that crap time with us with no money and CackPoo Sodje? The thing about being passionate (not standing statuesque with hands in pockets) also doesn't ring true, Curbs used to sit in the Directors Box so no one for see what he was doing. Same with Powell; one club wonder and there were people complaining that him hanging off the crossbar was embarrassing and too much. Even worse with Luzon joining the bundle on the pitch and Peeters trying to offer out Uwe Rosler on the touchline (both MASSIVELY unprofessional). So we need to find the best available candidate, don't care where he's from! Don't really care where they were before if they can turn this giant creaking, damaged boat around and navigate these treacherous waters we currently find ourselves in! That is a good read and pretty much sums it up. I'm not sure about the Curbs at West Ham bit though, they lost 4-0 here at The Valley and looked doomed but he managed to keep them up albeit with some dodgy players that shouldn't even have been playing! |
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Post by jackcharlton on Jan 27, 2024 12:51:49 GMT
Now Kevin Muskat that’s a different name and sounds a lot more interesting than some of the names mentioned on here. Does anybody know if he is looking for a job back in this country, I guess a approach will have to be made to him but if Millwall were interested they seem to have a much better record than us recently when it comes to employing managers that are not on the management merry go round. I'd put him on the touchline, just for Matty Holmes to walk up and chin him. |
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Post by valleyvon on Jan 27, 2024 12:56:14 GMT
Be interesting to see if there are any ‘candidates’ at the game today
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Jan 27, 2024 16:23:19 GMT
Has anybody been spotted in the stands ?
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Jan 27, 2024 16:47:15 GMT
Gary Rowet is in the sky sports studio today it’s in London a long way from his family.
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Post by mersthamred on Jan 27, 2024 18:29:34 GMT
There was an interview with the current Spurs boss. He was talking about Aussie managers, and said of Muscat that he would manage in the prem one day. Could be drivel, but his results are decent. Hope Muscat is a changed man. Ruined other people's careers. |
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