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Post by 995632 on Jan 29, 2024 18:06:46 GMT
He's 14/1. Although I don't think appointing a manager that has just been sacked fater 4 months with a 13%~ win rate is a great move. His overall career record is pretty good, with experience in the Championship and Premiership. Discounting his last 4 months his win ratio is just below 50%. This goes to exactly what I talked about the other day, do you now write off a 'decent' managerial prospect because of a failure on his record? Prior to this, Moore would've been seen as a good candidate (some called for his appointment before Appleton and him getting the Uddersfield job...), even one with principles after leaving Sheffield Wednesday after the owners pulled the funding Ave but supporting the team. Pretty much all managers have some form of failure on their records unless they're brand new to the job, in which case do we really want an unexperienced manager at the helm? |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 29, 2024 18:06:48 GMT
I don't doubt that. But let's imagine he comes in and does poorly. The fan backlash would be ridiculous due to his recent sacking / form. "Sacking a manager within 6 months again. Look at his record at Huddersfield. It was never going to work!" etc. When did we last have a manager that lasted that long, why break a habit and the so called candidates we have records are no better. I think the problem is Huddersfield their management turnover is worst than ours. Huddersfield have had 30 managerial changes since 2000. Tbh, I’m amazed he lasted 4 months with a win ratio of 13%! Does sound like there are worse run clubs than us though. Who knew! |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 29, 2024 18:12:47 GMT
His overall career record is pretty good, with experience in the Championship and Premiership. Discounting his last 4 months his win ratio is just below 50%. This goes to exactly what I talked about the other day, do you now write off a 'decent' managerial prospect because of a failure on his record? Prior to this, Moore would've been seen as a good candidate (some called for his appointment before Appleton and him getting the Uddersfield job...), even one with principles after leaving Sheffield Wednesday after the owners pulled the funding Ave but supporting the team. Pretty much all managers have some form of failure on their records unless they're brand new to the job, in which case do we really want an unexperienced manager at the helm? Oh 100%. You can’t write someone off for one bad club. You’d have no one left. My point is more about timing and the fact that we can’t afford any more ‘risk’ to our decision. If we were safely mid table then he’d be a perfectly good pick. However, he’s coming from a team which has basically the same form as we have. Serial losers and that’s not really something you’d want to bring into the club/dressing room right now. “Hey, our new manager has had a bad year too! Let’s go on an undefeated run with him!”. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 29, 2024 18:14:16 GMT
bexleyboyHow difficult is it to understand that Andy Scott controls all player incomings & outgoings ? The diff nowadays make it simple for you .. a manager still tells the recruitment team what players or positions he wants like Appleton told Scott .. in an interview Scott said “ we will try and get the players the managers wants “ only diff nowadays that’s where it ends for a manager the recruitment team Scout the players , talk to agents , clubs and players , sort out fee , contracts etc etc then its down to the money men to sign it off .. next thing the player appears at the training ground ready to train .. if a manger not involved why did Appleton go to Conor Coventry boys then ?? Could have stayed at home watched eastenders  ? Let’s face it, if SE7 Partners appointed Dennis Nilsen as our next manager, you’d be the first to post “very good manager, excellent with a chopping board” etc . That story about Appleton going to Coventry’s house is priceless 🥇 |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 29, 2024 18:15:39 GMT
I think certain regulars on here need to forget about stats & luxuriating in their own waffle for a minute, and remember where we are in the league, and who recruited 90% of the players who put us there.
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 29, 2024 18:16:53 GMT
I’m quite amazed some fans are calling for Fleming to continue as manager with Pearce as assistant. That would be one hell of a gamble considering our predicament. A few fans saying after the point at Blackpool. Did they not watch the game? We play that 10 times and we lose 9. I just don’t understand this stance.
I’d have him as assistant but not manager.
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Post by manikin on Jan 29, 2024 18:22:44 GMT
Don't know the facts behind this, but many a manager fails because of the way the club is run by his 'boses'. There are a number of clubs out there who's managerial record is worse than ours and that is saying something. Just hope whoever gets the job is properly backed to the hilt by the owners and I mean owners and us the fans, because if that doesn't happen we are stuffed. Whoever gets the job.
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Post by manikin on Jan 29, 2024 18:25:40 GMT
I’m quite amazed some fans are calling for Fleming to continue as manager with Pearce as assistant. That would be one hell of a gamble considering our predicament. A few fans saying after the point at Blackpool. Did they not watch the game? We play that 10 times and we lose 9. I just don’t understand this stance. I’d have him as assistant but not manager. We were so lucky against Blackpool and I just can't see where they are coming from. |
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Post by 995632 on Jan 29, 2024 18:25:52 GMT
I don't doubt that. But let's imagine he comes in and does poorly. The fan backlash would be ridiculous due to his recent sacking / form. "Sacking a manager within 6 months again. Look at his record at Huddersfield. It was never going to work!" etc. With the names we’ve been linked with I’d be massively underwhelmed with Darren Moore. Same for Walburton to be honest. Hope it’s wrapped up early this week. Out of interest, what do people not like about Warburton? He put a lot of the foundations in for Brentford's progress and rise. In fact this article in The Athletic it says "Warburton was initially Brentford’s sporting director before he replaced Uwe Rosler as manager midway through the 2013-14 League One season. That campaign ended with promotion as runners-up to Wolves, and they had a good crack at going up again the following year, eventually coming fifth and losing to Middlesbrough in the play-offs. Despite his successes at Griffin Park, Warburton was told in February 2015 that he would be leaving at the end of the season by owner Matthew Benham, regardless of their finishing position, after a clash of philosophies. It is uncommon for promoted clubs to achieve a high placing in their first season at Championship level. No side to come up from League One have made the play-offs 12 months later since Brentford did it under Warburton seven years ago." "His two years in charge of Rangers, where he enjoyed initial success, ended in dispute midway through the 2016-17 season — an exit he says “still eats away at him”. Warburton was the manager who got Rangers promoted back to the Premiership following the club’s financial meltdown of 2012, he also won the Challenge Cup and oversaw a victory over arch-rivals Celtic on penalties to earn a place in the 2015-16 Scottish Cup final, which they ultimately lost to Hibernian. He restored excitement to Ibrox with his attacking style of play." It says at Forest it was attractive football but he didn't have the squad to play out from the back and finished midtable. "His next job, back in west London at QPR, did earn praise. Appointed in the summer of 2019, he significantly reduced the playing budget and made them promotion contenders last season, providing a new identity and style of play. Warburton’s ability to see there were good players in the likes of Rob Dickie, Jimmy Dunne and Chris Willock, while developing existing young talent such as Eberechi Eze, Seny Dieng and Ilias Chair, helped stabilise a club who had been drifting after their Premier League adventures." I am in the Jones/Duff/Eustace camp, but a good experienced manager is what we need and we shouldn't just turn our nose up at a formerly successful experienced manager because they 'lost a previous job'. Logically, as he's currently coaching at Wet Spam he would know their young players and possibly give us access to some of their 'hidden gem' type players. Anyway, when is Jones being announced? *** - www.google.co.uk/amp/s/theathletic.com/3389463/2022/07/02/mark-warburton-west-ham-david-moyes/%3famp=1 |
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 29, 2024 19:14:12 GMT
Don’t want Warburton don’t particularly rate him
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 29, 2024 19:17:35 GMT
The man leading the race to become our manager has had long discussions with the board in which he asked for a lot of assurances. No idea whay they include, one can only speculate but I hope they are along the lines of him having a big say on players during the 72 hours left in this window and especially the summer. Im guessing he wants to be judged on what players he wants to bring in and what results they achieve.
Should but Andy Scott's nose right of joint and probably crybaby swisdom who gets all het up when somebody gets info before he does. Chucking his toys out of the pram like a spoiled child over the price involved in the Collins bid.
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Post by valley on Jan 29, 2024 19:25:26 GMT
Won't be a short term manager until end of the season?.
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Post by se7sm on Jan 29, 2024 19:25:36 GMT
The man leading the race to become our manager has had long discussions with the board in which he asked for a lot of assurances. No idea whay they include, one can only speculate but I hope they it's along the lines of him having a big say on players during the 72 hours left in this window and especially the summer. Im guessing he wants to be judged on what players he wants to bring in and what results they achieve. Should but Andy Scott's nose right of joint and probably crybaby swisdom who gets all het up when somebody gets info before he does. Chucking his toys out of the pram like a spoiled child over the price involved in the Collins bid. how many millions have I got to spend , can’t be sacked until the end of the season 😉 |
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Post by valleysun on Jan 29, 2024 19:39:08 GMT
The man leading the race to become our manager has had long discussions with the board in which he asked for a lot of assurances. No idea whay they include, one can only speculate but I hope they it's along the lines of him having a big say on players during the 72 hours left in this window and especially the summer. Im guessing he wants to be judged on what players he wants to bring in and what results they achieve. Should but Andy Scott's nose right of joint and probably crybaby swisdom who gets all het up when somebody gets info before he does. Chucking his toys out of the pram like a spoiled child over the price involved in the Collins bid. do you think said manger will take the job ? |
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 29, 2024 19:47:18 GMT
www.facebook.com/groups/charltonfc/permalink/10161022174255279/ Saying it’s between Rowett and jones I’d be happy with either. Both have great qualities but different I like Rowett and how he talks in measured way he got the wall playing some good stuff should’ve got into play off final and Jones is a tactical man knows he’s stuff both would move Charlton forward and are a step up in management to likes of Badkins and Apples.
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Post by 995632 on Jan 29, 2024 19:53:25 GMT
Don’t want Warburton don’t particularly rate him Cool. Thank you. Just interested... |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jan 29, 2024 20:07:48 GMT
www.facebook.com/groups/charltonfc/permalink/10161022174255279/ Saying it’s between Rowett and jones I’d be happy with either. Both have great qualities but different I like Rowett and how he talks in measured way he got the wall playing some good stuff should’ve got into play off final and Jones is a tactical man knows he’s stuff both would move Charlton forward and are a step up in management to likes of Badkins and Apples. Jones and Rowett are great candidates for us. Happy with either. |
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jan 29, 2024 20:14:28 GMT
I'd prefer Rowett, but happy with Jones.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 29, 2024 20:19:45 GMT
Can't name names but two have had second interviews and another is due to have his tomorrow. Once that's taken place the final decision is expected to be made within 24/48 hours at the latest.
That's the plan and it's designed to give us the final day of the transfer window.
Whoever it's going to, two of the three will be the highest profile manager since Curbs. The other one is well respected but not quite in the same bracket just yet. The importance of this, is it could well give our Collins bid the kiss of life while also being attractive proposition to others.
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 29, 2024 20:27:02 GMT
That’s good to hear and if indeed it is them 2 then that’s good moving forward they are both very good managers one has been a manager in premiership albeit it didn’t go great.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jan 29, 2024 20:29:44 GMT
Can't name names but two have had second interviews and another is due to have his tomorrow. Once that's taken place the final decision is expected to be made within 24/48 hours at the latest. That's the plan and it's designed to give us the final day of the transfer window. Whoever it's going to be will be the highest profile manager since Curbs. The importance of this is it could well give us the edge in late player bids including Collins I would imagine. Of course I'm just speculating and have no knowledge of what's going on. IF (like I said no knowledge) Jones and Rowett are 2 of the three possibly?,I wonder who the third is? I hope we don't end up underwhelmed,this is not the time for SE7 to skimp and raid Scott's contact book. |
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Post by brad on Jan 29, 2024 20:32:05 GMT
The man leading the race to become our manager has had long discussions with the board in which he asked for a lot of assurances. No idea whay they include, one can only speculate but I hope they are along the lines of him having a big say on players during the 72 hours left in this window and especially the summer. Im guessing he wants to be judged on what players he wants to bring in and what results they achieve. Should but Andy Scott's nose right of joint and probably crybaby swisdom who gets all het up when somebody gets info before he does. Chucking his toys out of the pram like a spoiled child over the price involved in the Collins bid. I understand 1 of the owners is over tomorrow and a couple feathers could be ruffled. Well I really hope so. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 29, 2024 20:48:16 GMT
The man leading the race to become our manager has had long discussions with the board in which he asked for a lot of assurances. No idea whay they include, one can only speculate but I hope they are along the lines of him having a big say on players during the 72 hours left in this window and especially the summer. Im guessing he wants to be judged on what players he wants to bring in and what results they achieve. Should but Andy Scott's nose right of joint and probably crybaby swisdom who gets all het up when somebody gets info before he does. Chucking his toys out of the pram like a spoiled child over the price involved in the Collins bid. I understand 1 of the owners is over tomorrow and a couple feathers could be ruffled. Well I really hope so. You understand correctly. |
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Post by watameires on Jan 29, 2024 20:58:57 GMT
Can't name names but two have had second interviews and another is due to have his tomorrow. Once that's taken place the final decision is expected to be made within 24/48 hours at the latest. That's the plan and it's designed to give us the final day of the transfer window. Whoever it's going to, two of the three will be the highest profile manager since Curbs. The other one is well respected but not quite in the same bracket just yet. The importance of this, is it could well give our Collins bid the kiss of life while also being attractive proposition to others. So do you still think its going to be Alex Neill? Or have you changed your prediction? |
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Post by brad on Jan 29, 2024 20:59:30 GMT
I understand 1 of the owners is over tomorrow and a couple feathers could be ruffled. Well I really hope so. You understand correctly. Hope he listened to what is was told today and acts on it. Things need to change if we start to build again but this set just don't work at the moment. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 29, 2024 21:23:56 GMT
Is one day of the transfer window enough?
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Post by jacksalescafc on Jan 29, 2024 21:25:16 GMT
Can't name names but two have had second interviews and another is due to have his tomorrow. Once that's taken place the final decision is expected to be made within 24/48 hours at the latest. That's the plan and it's designed to give us the final day of the transfer window. Whoever it's going to, two of the three will be the highest profile manager since Curbs. The other one is well respected but not quite in the same bracket just yet. The importance of this, is it could well give our Collins bid the kiss of life while also being attractive proposition to others. I like the sound of this |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 29, 2024 21:29:56 GMT
Can't name names but two have had second interviews and another is due to have his tomorrow. Once that's taken place the final decision is expected to be made within 24/48 hours at the latest. That's the plan and it's designed to give us the final day of the transfer window. Whoever it's going to, two of the three will be the highest profile manager since Curbs. The other one is well respected but not quite in the same bracket just yet. The importance of this, is it could well give our Collins bid the kiss of life while also being attractive proposition to others. So do you still think its going to be Alex Neill? Or have you changed your prediction? Maybe you should read what I said yesterday instead of trying to be clever. |
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Post by watameires on Jan 29, 2024 21:31:02 GMT
So do you still think its going to be Alex Neill? Or have you changed your prediction? Maybe you should read what I said at the back end of last week instead of trying to be clever. enlighten me |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 29, 2024 21:32:00 GMT
Interest has cooled in Neil, don't know why but he was way out in front on Friday. Haven't been in the loop for two days as been to Cheltenham for the weekend and yesterday's racing. Only message I have is Caleb Taylor is going to Bolton on loan but very coy on the manager front which they have to be I suppose. Not sure about Warburton. Nice bloke and that but I think he is a better coach than leader of men. Might get first dibs on West Ham's second string though! Not really answerable to anyone on here but as you asked nicely. PS: Had a bit of an update on the manager front today obviously and another message to say Caleb might not be going to Bolton after all. |
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