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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 29, 2024 21:55:14 GMT
Fair play to the investors.
They have recognised that to get out of this poxy league, you have to spend heavily on players and the correct calibre of manager.
In the space of a week, we’ve gone from Appleton auditioning for a presenter’s job on Homes Under The Hammer (source BB),to being linked with a manager with recent top flight experience.
It’s just a shame that our transfer activity has stalled after a promising mid January. We are still miles off it, and need another 3-4 elite players this week.
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Post by pardew123 on Jan 29, 2024 22:05:00 GMT
Small progress is still progress we all know we aren’t where we should be it’s the investors funding the losses so they will come to there senses sooner rather than later they are smart people after all.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 29, 2024 22:19:44 GMT
Fair play to the investors. They have recognised that to get out of this poxy league, you have to spend heavily on players and the correct calibre of manager. In the space of a week, we’ve gone from Appleton auditioning for a presenter’s job on Homes Under The Hammer (source BB),to being linked with a manager with recent top flight experience. It’s just a shame that our transfer activity has stalled after a promising mid January. We are still miles off it, and need another 3-4 elite players this week. It’s going to be an interesting and probably frantic last day of the window where the new man in charge will be dictating who we target as our last minute.com players I just can’t see either Rowett or Jones being dictated to by Scott on who he wants to bring in… Hopefully the money men have landed at the Valley this week with their cheque books open and have said to the new incumbent we will try and get who you ask for to keep us up |
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Post by se7sm on Jan 30, 2024 6:35:26 GMT
If I was one of the investors flying in today, my first question would be, why have I wasted my money on Appleton and why wasn’t he sacked earlier or a bigger question? Why did he get the job in the first place? Secondly, Why are we signing players that are not Match-fit. SMT need a rocket up their arses hope it’s not their appraisals😂 Anyway Reams seems positive, but not leaving much time for these players. I wouldn’t mind Warburton .
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Post by valleyvon on Jan 30, 2024 8:05:37 GMT
If I was one of the investors flying in today, my first question would be, why have I wasted my money on Appleton and why wasn’t he sacked earlier or a bigger question? Why did he get the job in the first place? Secondly, Why are we signing players that are not Match-fit. SMT need a rocket up their arses hope it’s not their appraisals😂 Anyway Reams seems positive, but not leaving much time for these players. I wouldn’t mind Warburton . We really need a new manager announced today . Time is at a limit to get any other players in. |
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Post by earlpurple on Jan 30, 2024 8:41:16 GMT
If I was one of the investors flying in today, my first question would be, why have I wasted my money on Appleton and why wasn’t he sacked earlier or a bigger question? Why did he get the job in the first place? Secondly, Why are we signing players that are not Match-fit. SMT need a rocket up their arses hope it’s not their appraisals😂 Anyway Reams seems positive, but not leaving much time for these players. I wouldn’t mind Warburton . Would be easy to answer that all the managers on our shortlist now were not available in September as they were all at other clubs at the time. |
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Post by se7sm on Jan 30, 2024 8:59:51 GMT
If I was one of the investors flying in today, my first question would be, why have I wasted my money on Appleton and why wasn’t he sacked earlier or a bigger question? Why did he get the job in the first place? Secondly, Why are we signing players that are not Match-fit. SMT need a rocket up their arses hope it’s not their appraisals😂 Anyway Reams seems positive, but not leaving much time for these players. I wouldn’t mind Warburton . Would be easy to answer that all the managers on our shortlist now were not available in September as they were all at other clubs at the time. yes but if you’re serious and spending money on Como for sacking managers, spend it beforehand in compensation to the clubs they come from rather then waiting to Hoover up, failed sacked managers.Appleton springs to mind . Mid-season when you’re now facing a relegation battle rather then the possibility of 😂🤣 top six dream on |
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Post by earlpurple on Jan 30, 2024 10:09:40 GMT
Yes and I know Nathan Jones and Mark Warburton were not managing clubs at the start of this season. Were neither of them considered last time around?
Alex Neil has disappeared from the bookmarkers odds.
"Best profile since Curbishley", I don't know, Warburton on that list may come close, none of the others do, but I hope they work out. On paper Nigel Adkins had the best CV of the recent managers and had a good start. If we'd had a decent transfer window who knows what we might have achieved.
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Post by watameires on Jan 30, 2024 10:25:58 GMT
I still believe a missed opportunity with Adkins. His profile with today’s alleged intent then who knows?
Agree today for new manager announcement is important
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Post by DFT on Jan 30, 2024 12:41:30 GMT
I must admit I had high hopes for Adkins.
Southampton people I know say they played their best football in years when he was in charge.
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Post by watameires on Jan 30, 2024 12:47:29 GMT
I must admit I had high hopes for Adkins. Southampton people I know say they played their best football in years when he was in charge. He’s doing excellent now at Tranmere |
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Post by cafcph on Jan 30, 2024 13:05:08 GMT
I must admit I had high hopes for Adkins. Southampton people I know say they played their best football in years when he was in charge. He’s doing excellent now at Tranmere He’s director of football there I think. Don’t think he’s the manager. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 30, 2024 13:11:20 GMT
I must admit I had high hopes for Adkins. Southampton people I know say they played their best football in years when he was in charge. I think he was shafted by Sandgaard who, completely, failed to back him with the players he needed to win the title, like he predicted when Hull won it at The Valley "this'll be us next year!" Incidentally Sandgaard, also, shafted Jackson and Garner. Both of whom were not given the resources to build a squad that could challenge at the top of League One. And, like with Adkins, Sandgaard threw them under the bus to prevent having to back them so that he should shift the blame, all the while his son was chief scout. The son that, it seemed, had worked for one of his Dad's businesses his whole life. The new owners seem to be much more professional than Sandgaard, although it was a rather low bar. I don't think we will know what the new owners are made of until the SMT are competent. I have been keen to give them (The SMT) the benefit of doubt but their performance hasn't impressed me so far. |
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Post by watameires on Jan 30, 2024 13:27:41 GMT
He’s doing excellent now at Tranmere He’s director of football there I think. Don’t think he’s the manager. He was but then took over as manager after previous chap was sacked |
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Post by earlpurple on Jan 30, 2024 13:46:24 GMT
It felt to me at the time that Adkins was shafted mostly by Ged Roddy who was in charge of that transfer window. His strategy was to go for the top "out of contract" players, but to get the better of the agencies, he would wait until it was near the end of the transfer window when they would be "desperate" for a club to play for, and he could pick them up on the cheap. We did get George Dobson in that transfer window. And Sean Clare, who was not that good.
It felt that Sandgaard "lost the plot" at that point. Why appoint "experts" like Ged Roddy to run the footballing side when he only made a big mess of it? His son could do a better job!
Same with the setup now. Even if Scott and Rodwell fail, it doesn't mean it's wrong to have a senior management team in place, it just means you hired the wrong people.
Looking back at that transfer window though:
- Ipswich were doing a complete rebuild. It didn't work out at first, but it was the start of progress.
- Wigan somehow had the money to pay massive amounts to players and got promoted as champions, only to come back down again with financial problems.
- Rotherham bounced straight back up with Paul Warne as manager.
- MK Dons came oh-so-close picking up a number of the players we probably should have bought. But after failing, they ended up getting relegated the following season. Did they overstep a budget to achieve it?
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Post by Mundell on Jan 30, 2024 13:58:56 GMT
Even if Scott and Rodwell fail, it doesn't mean it's wrong to have a senior management team in place, it just means you hired the wrong people. Absolutely spot on in my view. I’m fairly confident that if the investors seek third party advice to cross check what they’ve been told by Charlie Methven and the CAFC Board, it will confirm that having a Technical Director or Director of Football is the best strategy. They might add that the only reasons most clubs in Leagues One and Two don’t go this route is because they can’t afford to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 14:03:43 GMT
Even if Scott and Rodwell fail, it doesn't mean it's wrong to have a senior management team in place, it just means you hired the wrong people. Absolutely spot on in my view. I’m fairly confident that if the investors seek third party advice to cross check what they’ve been told by Charlie Methven and the CAFC Board, it will confirm that having a Technical Director or Director of Football is the best strategy. They might add that the only reasons most clubs in Leagues One and Two don’t go this route is because they can’t afford to. You only need a DOF imo if your dealing with millions of pounds worth of assets and their agents not in lge one its a total waste of money. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 30, 2024 14:11:07 GMT
Yes and I know Nathan Jones and Mark Warburton were not managing clubs at the start of this season. Were neither of them considered last time around? Alex Neil has disappeared from the bookmarkers odds. "Best profile since Curbishley", I don't know, Warburton on that list may come close, none of the others do, but I hope they work out. On paper Nigel Adkins had the best CV of the recent managers and had a good start. If we'd had a decent transfer window who knows what we might have achieved. My information is that Nathan Jones was considered last time around. I don’t know why he wasn’t appointed though obviously. What I would say though is that the idea Michael Appleton was appointed because he was “the cheap option” doesn’t make any sense. Why would anyone spend £12m buying the club, fund a top six wage bill and sanction the recruitment of a Technical Director and a Director of Performance, then cut corners on the recruitment of a Head Coach, probably the single most important hire the club is going to make? I think we have to assume that Appleton was hired because Rodwell and Scott (I assume, though others may have been involved too) genuinely believed he was the right man for the job given what they were looking for and given the candidates available. They clearly now believe they made a mistake. Let’s hope they don’t come to regret the decision they’re about to make about the next Head Coach. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 30, 2024 14:15:26 GMT
Absolutely spot on in my view. I’m fairly confident that if the investors seek third party advice to cross check what they’ve been told by Charlie Methven and the CAFC Board, it will confirm that having a Technical Director or Director of Football is the best strategy. They might add that the only reasons most clubs in Leagues One and Two don’t go this route is because they can’t afford to. You only need a DOF imo if your dealing with millions of pounds worth of assets and their agents not in lge one its a total waste of money. I don’t see your logic. Even in League One Charlton has a player wage bill of around £6m p.a. and transfer income and outgoings which can run into a few millions. Someone has to worry about how that money is spent and there are good reasons why it’s not a good idea to leave that entirely up to the Head Coach who on average (at all clubs, not just Charlton) has a shorter tenure than the contract length of the better players. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 14:43:09 GMT
You only need a DOF imo if your dealing with millions of pounds worth of assets and their agents not in lge one its a total waste of money. I don’t see your logic. Even in League One Charlton has a player wage bill of around £6m p.a. and transfer income and outgoings which can run into a few millions. Someone has to worry about how that money is spent and there are good reasons why it’s not a good idea to leave that entirely up to the Head Coach who on average (at all clubs, not just Charlton) has a shorter tenure than the contract length of the better players. Chief Exec normally worries about the money, when your dealing with freebies and transfers of max 1m waste on money having a dof, get a proper manager think you'll find most managers at this level prefer it, we've had this under Sandguarrd with his son and roddy and now with Andy Scott and its not working we need to get back to basics. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 30, 2024 14:56:12 GMT
I don’t see your logic. Even in League One Charlton has a player wage bill of around £6m p.a. and transfer income and outgoings which can run into a few millions. Someone has to worry about how that money is spent and there are good reasons why it’s not a good idea to leave that entirely up to the Head Coach who on average (at all clubs, not just Charlton) has a shorter tenure than the contract length of the better players. Chief Exec normally worries about the money, when your dealing with freebies and transfers of max 1m waste on money having a dof, get a proper manager think you'll find most managers at this level prefer it, we've had this under Sandguarrd with his son and roddy and now with Andy Scott and its not working we need to get back to basics. I suspect one of the reasons we’re in such a mess today is precisely because we didn’t have a specialist who knew what they were doing managing the budget for the squad and negotiating player contracts during Sandgaard’s period of ownership. Let's take the absurd decision to award the injury prone Chuks Aneke a three and a half year contract on attractive wages back in January 2022 as an example. From the manager’s perspective (Johnnie Jackson at the time - and I’m not criticising him) that was probably a good signing. Aneke might just have got us into the playoffs. Great for Jacko and no downside. He’s long gone, but the club are still stuck with Aneke. It’s an extreme example, but it’s a generic point and the principle is the same whether the sums of money are large or small. There are lots of “proper” managers, many of them way above League One level, who are happy working with a DOF. We might just have to agree to disagree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 15:06:34 GMT
Chief Exec normally worries about the money, when your dealing with freebies and transfers of max 1m waste on money having a dof, get a proper manager think you'll find most managers at this level prefer it, we've had this under Sandguarrd with his son and roddy and now with Andy Scott and its not working we need to get back to basics. I suspect one of the reasons we’re in such a mess today is precisely because we didn’t have a specialist who knew what they were doing managing the budget for the squad and negotiating player contracts during Sandgaard’s period of ownership. Let's take the absurd decision to award the injury prone Chuks Aneke a three and a half year contract on attractive wages back in January 2022 as an example. From the manager’s perspective (Johnnie Jackson at the time - and I’m not criticising him) that was probably a good signing. Aneke might just have got us into the playoffs. Great for Jacko and no downside. He’s long gone, but the club are still stuck with Aneke. It’s an extreme example, but it’s a generic point and the principle is the same whether the sums of money are large or small. There are lots of “proper” managers, many of them way above League One level, who are happy working with a DOF. We might just have to agree to disagree. Forgot about Duchatelet and Driesen as well ! Anyone remember Anil Koq amongst others! 😅 Just think we're running before we can walk with this DOF buisness, nothing wrong with the way Curbs done it. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 30, 2024 15:42:25 GMT
Yes and I know Nathan Jones and Mark Warburton were not managing clubs at the start of this season. Were neither of them considered last time around? Alex Neil has disappeared from the bookmarkers odds. "Best profile since Curbishley", I don't know, Warburton on that list may come close, none of the others do, but I hope they work out. On paper Nigel Adkins had the best CV of the recent managers and had a good start. If we'd had a decent transfer window who knows what we might have achieved. My information is that Nathan Jones was considered last time around. I don’t know why he wasn’t appointed though obviously. What I would say though is that the idea Michael Appleton was appointed because he was “the cheap option” doesn’t make any sense. Why would anyone spend £12m buying the club, fund a top six wage bill and sanction the recruitment of a Technical Director and a Director of Performance, then cut corners on the recruitment of a Head Coach, probably the single most important hire the club is going to make? I think we have to assume that Appleton was hired because Rodwell and Scott (I assume, though others may have been involved too) genuinely believed he was the right man for the job given what they were looking for and given the candidates available. They clearly now believe they made a mistake. Let’s hope they don’t come to regret the decision they’re about to make about the next Head Coach. Appleton was not first choice when appointed Chris. The main target was Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. He didn't like the project so turned it down so we turned to Liam Richardson who also declined. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jan 30, 2024 15:47:30 GMT
My information is that Nathan Jones was considered last time around. I don’t know why he wasn’t appointed though obviously. What I would say though is that the idea Michael Appleton was appointed because he was “the cheap option” doesn’t make any sense. Why would anyone spend £12m buying the club, fund a top six wage bill and sanction the recruitment of a Technical Director and a Director of Performance, then cut corners on the recruitment of a Head Coach, probably the single most important hire the club is going to make? I think we have to assume that Appleton was hired because Rodwell and Scott (I assume, though others may have been involved too) genuinely believed he was the right man for the job given what they were looking for and given the candidates available. They clearly now believe they made a mistake. Let’s hope they don’t come to regret the decision they’re about to make about the next Head Coach. Appleton was not first choice when appointed Chris. The main target eas Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. He didn't like the project so turned it down so we turned to Liam Richardson who also declined. I always thought that it was a shame about Challinor,although not a surprise due to location. |
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Post by jacksalescafc on Jan 30, 2024 15:48:05 GMT
Anyone know if anything is close regarding the manager? Really quite intrigued to see how it plays out.
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Post by 1978sussex on Jan 30, 2024 16:09:23 GMT
Dubaicafc on other forum saying board members can't all agree jones is right man for job
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Post by se7tolu7 on Jan 30, 2024 16:20:29 GMT
Genuinely believe Jones being touted is a smokescreen for another shit appointment!
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jan 30, 2024 16:21:56 GMT
Dubaicafc on other forum saying board members can't all agree jones is right man for job FFS,we really should be rebranded Dithering Athletic. If that's true then words fail me... Was hoping NJ/GR would be on board by now,so we can attack the last knockings of the window. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 30, 2024 16:22:50 GMT
Dubaicafc on other forum saying board members can't all agree jones is right man for job That's the spirit, make it public that he's not wanted by all of the board. That'll help encourage a manager to join a club that has sacked five managers in twenty-seven month, and a board that has sacked two in five months. WTF is wrong with those at the club? Can't they keep anything in house? I can only assume that one of the board members has shared this information - after all the drama of the Appleton has gone, he's staying, he's sacked carry on. WTF is wrong with these people? They are supposed to be on the board of a multi-million pound turn-over business! If I was one of the external investors I think I'd sack the lot of them, and Methven. Immediately! |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Jan 30, 2024 16:23:22 GMT
Dubaicafc on other forum saying board members can't all agree jones is right man for job Yet they all rubber stamped Appleton! They all stink of ineptitude for the roles they're filling. |
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