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Post by ardrohanlil on Dec 24, 2023 13:00:42 GMT
Andy Scott out ! He built this shitty team & squad, he’s appointed Holden & Appleton, the Buck stops with him. Spot on.... |
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Post by ardrohanlil on Dec 24, 2023 13:08:43 GMT
The thing is I think Scott will get the players that he wants. So if we did appoint a manager it wouldn't make any difference because Aplleton wouldn't have chosen them.
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Post by smudge7946 on Dec 24, 2023 13:10:30 GMT
We can't keep on hiring a manager just to give him the tin tac 18 months later.
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Post by clarky on Dec 24, 2023 13:16:59 GMT
We can't keep on hiring a manager just to give him the tin tac 18 months later. the problem is the last three or four managers have all been cheap options and they all took the job knowing what they had to work with. There wouldn't be many of us who would have been happy with rhe appointments of Adkins, Garner, Holden and Appleton but the conveyor belt keeps churning them out. It is very telling that the one good choice, Liam Richardson, allegedly turned us down as he didn't like the project going forwards. Make of that what you will but it certainly isn't a good sign |
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 24, 2023 13:33:05 GMT
Anybody in the professional game is a "know it all" compared to the average fan. Especially armchair critics who insuate that the management team shouldn't be paid, except for a promotion bonus. Not the first time we've seen this ludicrous trope. Let's recall where we were 12 months ago, before castigating SE7 Partners 24/7. Unless of course one prefers to romanticise a team consisting: Inniss, Lavelle, O'Connell, Clare, Morgan, Stockley, Jaiyesimi, Payne and Kirk. And let's nor forget our world beating keepers, Wollacott and McGillivray! No, rather than slagging the entire club, we might take stock and recognise that five games without a win has shattered the illusion of progress. That there's a clear need for three or four decent platers to be signed next month. And that the latest Head Coach is nothing special. The lack of wins will surely generate tensions within the club. I for one expect the Technical Director to respond with a couple of decent signings early January. Given that there are three main investors, how long into 2024 before they kick off / who might be thrown under the bus if the ol' XG isn't sorted. As for the fans kicking off? Not happening - they'll just vote with their feet and their wallets. Which will impact quarterly financial reports fairly swiftly. Some assume zero accountability but every manager will have key targets to hit within one or two years of the takeover last July. One suspects that they will focus on league position and lack of play-off chances as the reason for not delivering on crowds, sponsorship, player sales etc. “Slagging the entire club” is your familiar gaslighting Kevin, and with all due respect I have supported CAFC a lot longer & a lot more diligently than you have , so I’ll have my say about these shitty temporary custodians, even if it goes against the grain on here. Forget about your beloved Xg and points per games and where’s we will be next February or September - you measure a club’s well-being - it’s heart rate if you like - only through two main factors. 1. League Position 2. Home attendances And both have been consistently very poor under SE7 Partners ownership. Ordinary fans haven’t fallen for Charlie’s promises and Scott’s bullshit - they can see just how poor the product is on the pitch, and that it’s highly unlikely these chancers can turn the dial and remedy things. I’ll be at Orient on Boxing Day, supporting our club and hoping for a better 2024 under new owners & a better manager. Not just wrong but completely wrong! Asides from you being at Orient. Which really doesn't give you a better insight nor make you a better fan than the rest of us. Just more divisive! Most are concerned with the direction of tavel for 2024, not how many years they've been going. With respect only a few of us were at all three play-off games vs Leeds back in the 80s but that has ne bearing on what's to come. And doesn't make me a better fan than anyone else. Most are saying let's see where we are at the end of January! 😉 |
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Post by DFT on Dec 24, 2023 13:58:19 GMT
I never wanted Appleton, to be honest I was shocked when he was appointed but I was OK with him early on. He made some good substitutions at the right time although they were made to make up for poor team selection from kick off!
Recently he has gone backwards. We play poorly against weak opposition when we should be going for the jugular and hammering these teams.
I'm not sure if he is the right man to take us forwards but do we need another manager sacking?
What a mess we have got ourselves into. We should have appointed a better standard of manager from the start or we might as well had given Dean Holden more time.
In my view Appleton is no better than Holden, OK he did steady the ship when he first took the helm but has not improved the team overall.
Do we give him this window, the summer window...what? How long do we give him before what I can only see as more failure and Charlton falling further and further down the road.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 24, 2023 18:56:37 GMT
I’d recommend fans watch interviews with Nathan Jones about his coaching philosophy, and what he demands from his teams. They are on You Tube.
Yes, he comes across as a snarky bugger at times, and admits that he’s made mistakes, but the work he did at Luton Town, a smaller club than us, was little short of phenomenal.
Jones is an advocate of high energy, supreme fitness aggressive football, aimed at winning the ball back high up the pitch. He’s also very detailed on set plays, a chronic weakness of ours.
Basket case Charlton is just the sort of project he’d be interested in taking on after his failure at Southampton, and he’s the sort of coach who could instil an identity into our style of play…something sorely lacking.
Was it really less than a year ago that 9,000 of us travelled to Old Trafford on a weekday night with no trains back ??
We are a big club, with a huge catchment area, and 30,000 fans itching to get back to supporting us given a reason to do so. A reason that these grubbers for owners and donkey of a manager are failing to offer.
Looking around the Valley..forget the social media fans ..we regularly have 20,000 empty seats, minimum. It is tragic..
Surely it’s time to rip whatever they are doing up, go back to the start, and appoint a coach of Nathan Jones’ calibre.
Or would Andy Scott find that too much of a threat 👍
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Post by norfolkrobin on Dec 24, 2023 22:02:54 GMT
I’d recommend fans watch interviews with Nathan Jones about his coaching philosophy, and what he demands from his teams. They are on You Tube. Yes, he comes across as a snarky bugger at times, and admits that he’s made mistakes, but the work he did at Luton Town, a smaller club than us, was little short of phenomenal. Jones is an advocate of high energy, supreme fitness aggressive football, aimed at winning the ball back high up the pitch. He’s also very detailed on set plays, a chronic weakness of ours. Basket case Charlton is just the sort of project he’d be interested in taking on after his failure at Southampton, and he’s the sort of coach who could instil an identity into our style of play…something sorely lacking. Was it really less than a year ago that 9,000 of us travelled to Old Trafford on a weekday night with no trains back ?? We are a big club, with a huge catchment area, and 30,000 fans itching to get back to supporting us given a reason to do so. A reason that these grubbers for owners and donkey of a manager are failing to offer. Looking around the Valley..forget the social media fans ..we regularly have 20,000 empty seats, minimum. It is tragic.. Surely it’s time to rip whatever they are doing up, go back to the start, and appoint a coach of Nathan Jones’ calibre. Or would Andy Scott find that too much of a threat 👍 The sort of sit up and take notice appointment I was hoping SE7 would make. |
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Post by earlpurple on Dec 24, 2023 22:38:23 GMT
I heard it was Liam Richardson. That was from somebody outside of the club. He wasn't interested due to what the project looked like so we ended up with Appleton. There is a total disconnect between the type of manager he is and the type of manager we need. You were very supportive of this board during the takeover, so have you lost confidence in them, because the "project" is unable to attract the coaches they want to take us forward. Richardson hasn't exactly done that well at Rotherham so far and will probably be managing in League One next season. This season we simply have not attracted a really good loan player, whereas we did in previous seasons. And we rely far too much on juniors. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Dec 24, 2023 22:44:13 GMT
I heard it was Liam Richardson. That was from somebody outside of the club. He wasn't interested due to what the project looked like so we ended up with Appleton. There is a total disconnect between the type of manager he is and the type of manager we need. You were very supportive of this board during the takeover, so have you lost confidence in them, because the "project" is unable to attract the coaches they want to take us forward. Richardson hasn't exactly done that well at Rotherham so far and will probably be managing in League One next season. This season we simply have not attracted a really good loan player, whereas we did in previous seasons. And we rely far too much on juniors. Who is to say the basis of the project may have changed over the last few months…. Maybe initially the owners were sold the dream that we would succeed by nurturing our young players, selling them for big profits and bringing in young PL loans…. It seems now the focus has changed to us apparently bringing in more experienced players on perms rather than loans so maybe they have all had a reality check and changed direction maybe 🤔🤔 |
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Post by earlpurple on Dec 25, 2023 10:41:08 GMT
There are financial fair play rules, but we are told we are paying a top 6 budget and it will take time to turn around. We have youth in the squad who help us to overcome the rules as they don't count so that gives us an advantage over other clubs.
What we have seen though is that the youth are making up a large part of the squad and are potentially not ready. But certainly we miss a Rak Sayki type player like we had last year.
Did Kirk fail because of his own inability, or was it poor coaching that failed to get the best out of him? Are the coaches going to improve CBT's ability to turn his runs into more clear cut chances and goals, or will they just leave him as he is and possibly sell him?
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Post by scabbyhorse on Dec 25, 2023 11:03:27 GMT
I also felt underwhelmed with Appleton's appointment, but as always, I will give a new manager the benefit of the doubt. After 20 odd games, he has not shown anything to suggest that the club is progressing. Personally, I wouldn't let Scott off the hook either, as his signings have been quite frankly shit. I'm uncertain about the club's direction from here, especially without proper funding for new players; it seems like it will be more of the same with decreasing attendances. While sacking Appleton is an option, it may not bring a significant change if they hire another manager of the same ilk.
I understand the frustration. The uncertainty of waiting until February, June, or the next January to see any improvement can indeed be maddening, especially when dealing with recurring issues over three seasons. It's crucial for the club to address concerns promptly and implement changes to break the cycle of disappointment. Patience has its limits, and supporters have a valid expectation for progress and positive outcomes.
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Post by manikin on Dec 25, 2023 12:33:45 GMT
We can't keep on hiring a manager just to give him the tin tac 18 months later. Quite right, but that's down to the likes of Scott. It's not just the manager who should take the blame for the way things are. |
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Post by manikin on Dec 25, 2023 12:36:52 GMT
I also felt underwhelmed with Appleton's appointment, but as always, I will give a new manager the benefit of the doubt. After 20 odd games, he has not shown anything to suggest that the club is progressing. Personally, I wouldn't let Scott off the hook either, as his signings have been quite frankly shit. I'm uncertain about the club's direction from here, especially without proper funding for new players; it seems like it will be more of the same with decreasing attendances. While sacking Appleton is an option, it may not bring a significant change if they hire another manager of the same ilk. I understand the frustration. The uncertainty of waiting until February, June, or the next January to see any improvement can indeed be maddening, especially when dealing with recurring issues over three seasons. It's crucial for the club to address concerns promptly and implement changes to break the cycle of disappointment. Patience has its limits, and supporters have a valid expectation for progress and positive outcomes. Totally agree, no point in replacing Appleton unless it's a significant improvement. It's time Scott felt some of the heat. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 25, 2023 12:52:44 GMT
I know Reams had a controversial relationship with Charlie Methven at the time SE7 Partners were trying to win over the fanbase, so I’d be interested to know if he’s had any updates on how the SMT think they are doing.
Scott seemed to get off Scott free at Bromley Addicks, although he begrudgingly confessed that the dud signings were down to him.
The thing that puzzles me is that Methven, Scott and Rodwell are clearly only here to make some bunce, which surely therefore depends on them being good in their respective roles.
Methven’s only public contribution since the takeover appears to have been at the recent over 85s night at the Valley, where he was pictured acting as a waiter serving the Christmas pud, but what about Scott and Rodwell 🤔🤔
Who are they accountable to, and how often are these conversations taking place ?
Because if they are not, they need to be happening as a matter of urgency now.
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 25, 2023 15:26:17 GMT
Far as I'm concerned our current owner's have one chance - January, they need to use that time and their money wisely and really show intent, even if they realise as we do, this season has gone! Jan never an easy month to do a squad rebuild .. anyone with any sense knows it’s going to take two windows for MA to balance this squad to his way .. he done a great job with an unbalanced squad he can’t be blamed for injuries or refs making horrendous errors .. but he made us hard to beat hence only 4 defeats in 19 games … MA can only start to be judged from August 2024 when he will have his team |
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 25, 2023 15:27:23 GMT
I’d recommend fans watch interviews with Nathan Jones about his coaching philosophy, and what he demands from his teams. They are on You Tube. Yes, he comes across as a snarky bugger at times, and admits that he’s made mistakes, but the work he did at Luton Town, a smaller club than us, was little short of phenomenal. Jones is an advocate of high energy, supreme fitness aggressive football, aimed at winning the ball back high up the pitch. He’s also very detailed on set plays, a chronic weakness of ours. Basket case Charlton is just the sort of project he’d be interested in taking on after his failure at Southampton, and he’s the sort of coach who could instil an identity into our style of play…something sorely lacking. Was it really less than a year ago that 9,000 of us travelled to Old Trafford on a weekday night with no trains back ?? We are a big club, with a huge catchment area, and 30,000 fans itching to get back to supporting us given a reason to do so. A reason that these grubbers for owners and donkey of a manager are failing to offer. Looking around the Valley..forget the social media fans ..we regularly have 20,000 empty seats, minimum. It is tragic.. Surely it’s time to rip whatever they are doing up, go back to the start, and appoint a coach of Nathan Jones’ calibre. Or would Andy Scott find that too much of a threat 👍 Nathan Jones not interested in league job … |
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Post by earlpurple on Dec 25, 2023 15:31:03 GMT
Methven is not accountable to anything on the football side, maybe somewhat on the commercial side but not even sure about that.
So it's down to Rodwell and the Scott, and they may say there is a lot of stuff being put into place in the background, e.g. scouting that will help us get better players in in the future, and there is supposed to be some performance analysis, presumably to not throw away won games as often, but that may take time to take effect.
If it's true though that we're just going to sell Corey Blackett-Taylor in January, it will be a sign to fans we move backwards, selling one of our best performing players (rather than letting him play out his contract and leave on a free).
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Post by revilo on Dec 25, 2023 15:49:09 GMT
Far as I'm concerned our current owner's have one chance - January, they need to use that time and their money wisely and really show intent, even if they realise as we do, this season has gone! Jan never an easy month to do a squad rebuild .. anyone with any sense knows it’s going to take two windows for MA to balance this squad to his way .. he done a great job with an unbalanced squad he can’t be blamed for injuries or refs making horrendous errors .. but he made us hard to beat hence only 4 defeats in 19 games … MA can only start to be judged from August 2024 when he will have his team Hard to beat but impossible to win |
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Post by manikin on Dec 25, 2023 16:29:50 GMT
Far as I'm concerned our current owner's have one chance - January, they need to use that time and their money wisely and really show intent, even if they realise as we do, this season has gone! Jan never an easy month to do a squad rebuild .. anyone with any sense knows it’s going to take two windows for MA to balance this squad to his way .. he done a great job with an unbalanced squad he can’t be blamed for injuries or refs making horrendous errors .. but he made us hard to beat hence only 4 defeats in 19 games … MA can only start to be judged from August 2024 when he will have his team Totally agree about January, impossible to totally rebuild in that period, I have said that many times before. However, what we do need is a show of intent and that is what we deserve, having had to put up with the crap served up in recent times. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 25, 2023 16:44:30 GMT
I know Reams had a controversial relationship with Charlie Methven at the time SE7 Partners were trying to win over the fanbase, so I’d be interested to know if he’s had any updates on how the SMT think they are doing. Scott seemed to get off Scott free at Bromley Addicks, although he begrudgingly confessed that the dud signings were down to him. The thing that puzzles me is that Methven, Scott and Rodwell are clearly only here to make some bunce, which surely therefore depends on them being good in their respective roles. Methven’s only public contribution since the takeover appears to have been at the recent over 85s night at the Valley, where he was pictured acting as a waiter serving the Christmas pud, but what about Scott and Rodwell 🤔🤔 Who are they accountable to, and how often are these conversations taking place ? Because if they are not, they need to be happening as a matter of urgency now. On the face of it a very interesting question. However this has been asked and answered several times before by the likes of Mundell Essentially CAFC loses £6-8M a season in League One. Three rich investors have agreed to fund the acquisition and operating losses. Why? Because the Championship media deal is about to double in 2025. And this both makes CAFC sustainable as well as adding to the value of the club, always assuming that we are able to secure promotion. Should the timetable for improving our prospects slip, then questions will be asked as to why, how much to fund promotion as well as what to do differently. And these questions are starting already seeing as we appear a tad off course. But that brings us to the final part of the challenge: some want to play the protest card, insinuate malpractice together with misaligned incentives. Whilst at the same time they want a Supporters Trust or those in touch with CAFC SMT to provide a running commentary so as to stay informed. At this point it's really time to get off the fence and stop throwing rocks - at the SMT.. but also at fellow fans who prefer to make a rational assessment of 2024 and beyond. For sure if some wish to walk away or protest then that's their choice. But this slagging of fellow fans followed by begging for information is disingenuous - in fact a tad embarrassing 😳 In the bigger picture the fans and investors interests are 100% aligned. Perhaps in 2024 we might shape the narrative so as to acknowledge that view? Perhaps collectively we might voice opinions about how to improve, whilst at the same time lobbying capital to ensure execution. Merry Christmas 🎅 |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 25, 2023 17:57:18 GMT
I know Reams had a controversial relationship with Charlie Methven at the time SE7 Partners were trying to win over the fanbase, so I’d be interested to know if he’s had any updates on how the SMT think they are doing. Scott seemed to get off Scott free at Bromley Addicks, although he begrudgingly confessed that the dud signings were down to him. The thing that puzzles me is that Methven, Scott and Rodwell are clearly only here to make some bunce, which surely therefore depends on them being good in their respective roles. Methven’s only public contribution since the takeover appears to have been at the recent over 85s night at the Valley, where he was pictured acting as a waiter serving the Christmas pud, but what about Scott and Rodwell 🤔🤔 Who are they accountable to, and how often are these conversations taking place ? Because if they are not, they need to be happening as a matter of urgency now. On the face of it a very interesting question. However this has been asked and answered several times before by the likes of Mundell Essentially CAFC loses £6-8M a season in League One. Three rich investors have agreed to fund the acquisition and operating losses. Why? Because the Championship media deal is about to double in 2025. And this both makes CAFC sustainable as well as adding to the value of the club, always assuming that we are able to secure promotion. Should the timetable for improving our prospects slip, then questions will be asked as to why, how much to fund promotion as well as what to do differently. And these questions are starting already seeing as we appear a tad off course. But that brings us to the final part of the challenge: some want to play the protest card, insinuate malpractice together with misaligned incentives. Whilst at the same time they want a Supporters Trust or those in touch with CAFC SMT to provide a running commentary so as to stay informed. At this point it's really time to get off the fence and stop throwing rocks - at the SMT.. but also at fellow fans who prefer to make a rational assessment of 2024 and beyond. For sure if some wish to walk away or protest then that's their choice. But this slagging of fellow fans followed by begging for information is disingenuous - in fact a tad embarrassing 😳 In the bigger picture the fans and investors interests are 100% aligned. Perhaps in 2024 we might shape the narrative so as to acknowledge that view? Perhaps collectively we might voice opinions about how to improve, whilst at the same time lobbying capital to ensure execution. Merry Christmas 🎅 You’d still be pleading for Micheal Glikstein to be given time & patience, had you supported the club at the time. “Begging for information” is a strange comment coming from an ex CAST chairman, sorry chairperson ….wasn’t that your exact role on behalf of the fanbase 🤔 I think even the ambition minimalists amongst us would agree that 3 points at little Orient tomorrow is essential. I think I read elsewhere that they are on less than a fifth of our operating budget, so those of us travelling to Brisbane Lane really should be treated to a festive three points 🤶 |
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Post by Mundell on Dec 25, 2023 17:59:02 GMT
seriouslyred is absolutely right. The interests of owners and fans are entirely aligned. As for Michael Appleton, in my view very few managers actually add any real value. Ultimately, they almost all perform to budget and the squad of players available to them. Randomness then plays an important role in who succeeds in any given season. There are, however, a small number of outstanding managers who do, consistently, deliver more than the sum of the parts. Appleton clearly isn’t one of these, but it’s very difficult to attract one in League One, for obvious reasons. They’re in high demand. The only way to secure one of the high performers in League One is to gamble on a young and unproven coach. Examples would include Liam Manning (MK Dons, Oxford and now Bristol City), Steven Schumacher (Plymouth Argyle and now Stoke City) and Kieran McKenna (Ipswich Town). However, unproven means high risk and may badly underperform wage budget, failing even to compete with managers in the pack, like Appleton and many others. For every Manning, Schumacher or McKenna, there are probably ten or more Garners. I’ve always wanted us to appoint a “Liam Manning” type, but such managers are obviously hard to find and we’ve obviously decided not to go that route. Michael Appleton is clearly a “straight bat” appointment and designed to be low risk. He’s not likely to be outstanding, but nor is he likely to flop and underperform a reasonable expectation given his squad. The club appear to have made the bet that with the right budget (which we’ve been told we’ve got) and the right recruitment he’ll deliver a par outcome which ought to be enough for a playoff place, or better. It’s reasonable to assume too that his reputation as a coach, who will develop and improve players (a long-term strategy), rather than as a motivator/screamer was also a factor in his favour. If this assessment has any merit, then it’s clear that the problem is our recruitment. It clearly hasn’t been anywhere near good enough and the loan signings in particular have been very disappointing. This simply has to improve, starting in January.
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Post by Tom1982 on Dec 25, 2023 18:27:00 GMT
Can’t chop Appleton yet. Definitely wouldn’t have been my choice but this manager merry-go-round is causing us major headaches. Give the fella an until the end of next season. That being said I’d like to see Karl Robinson back!
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 25, 2023 20:27:24 GMT
On the face of it a very interesting question. However this has been asked and answered several times before by the likes of Mundell Essentially CAFC loses £6-8M a season in League One. Three rich investors have agreed to fund the acquisition and operating losses. Why? Because the Championship media deal is about to double in 2025. And this both makes CAFC sustainable as well as adding to the value of the club, always assuming that we are able to secure promotion. Should the timetable for improving our prospects slip, then questions will be asked as to why, how much to fund promotion as well as what to do differently. And these questions are starting already seeing as we appear a tad off course. But that brings us to the final part of the challenge: some want to play the protest card, insinuate malpractice together with misaligned incentives. Whilst at the same time they want a Supporters Trust or those in touch with CAFC SMT to provide a running commentary so as to stay informed. At this point it's really time to get off the fence and stop throwing rocks - at the SMT.. but also at fellow fans who prefer to make a rational assessment of 2024 and beyond. For sure if some wish to walk away or protest then that's their choice. But this slagging of fellow fans followed by begging for information is disingenuous - in fact a tad embarrassing 😳 In the bigger picture the fans and investors interests are 100% aligned. Perhaps in 2024 we might shape the narrative so as to acknowledge that view? Perhaps collectively we might voice opinions about how to improve, whilst at the same time lobbying capital to ensure execution. Merry Christmas 🎅 You’d still be pleading for Micheal Glikstein to be given time & patience, had you supported the club at the time. “Begging for information” is a strange comment coming from an ex CAST chairman, sorry chairperson ….wasn’t that your exact role on behalf of the fanbase 🤔 I think even the ambition minimalists amongst us would agree that 3 points at little Orient tomorrow is essential. I think I read elsewhere that they are on less than a fifth of our operating budget, so those of us travelling to Brisbane Lane really should be treated to a festive three points 🤶 The irony is that 10 of us set up the Supporters Trust back in 2012 so as to build a dialogue with the CAFC board at that time. AND to communicate to fans about realities such as FFP and Championship finances. During that time we never met those in charge at the time, eg Jiminez nor Duchatelet. But we did meet many current and former directors and executives - all of whom watched the same games as the rest of us. With respect to December 2023, many of us had hoped for 34 points after 23 games - meaning winning the last two home games plus one more. If there's a continuation of this winless streak, then perhaps that will sharpen the dialogue between investors and executives? Conversely, Hector has been a star this month so desperate calls to replace him were maybe premature? Whatever Appleton's future, we certainly need talent recruited early January. Scott is in charge of that process. Fans AND investors need to believe that there's a path forwards again. And thanks to Mundell re the validation of this alignment. Glikstein, Duchatelet and Sandgaard were all sole owners with little bank debt. They can tend to view the fanbase as led by football illiterates who fail to understand the business environment. So why play to that? SE7 Partners / GFP are much more similar to the collegiate structure 1985-2007 where several individuals funded CAFC / made the big calls. They (/ we) have the advantage of minimal debt but they need to get us facing the right direction ASAP. In my book that could be February! As an aside, it's unfortunate that CASTrust leadership with their 2,500 membership singularly fail to recognise this new reality. For they should surely be communicating direct with investors as well as fans using an adult, forward thinking tone and appraisal of our reality. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 29, 2023 22:28:58 GMT
One of the worst managers we have ever had.
No other owner would have given him the job in the first place.
Cheapest option for owners who are fast becoming out of their depth.
I hope the yanks call time on their 'ownership'.
I just can't see a way back for the club when you have Appleton and Scott failing on every level like they are.
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Post by Tom1982 on Dec 29, 2023 22:29:18 GMT
Stuff consistency, get him gone!
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Post by LoyalAddick on Dec 29, 2023 22:32:55 GMT
Sack the lot of them.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Dec 29, 2023 22:33:12 GMT
No interview and allegedly didn’t go back on the coach, maybe something is rumbling🤔🤔
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Post by pardew123 on Dec 29, 2023 22:34:42 GMT
He was never the right appointment always been a journey man boss gets paid off etc.
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