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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 23, 2023 17:02:29 GMT
Sick and tired of this talentless jorneyman of a manager.
He was never our first chocie anyway so time to bin him off.
We are going backwards under him in terms of quality on the pitch.
Unbeaten runs mean nothing when you are drawing at home to the likes of Cambridge and Burton.
We might have a few injuries but that doesn't excuse playing players who are out of position.
The season is over in terms of the play-offs. Pointless bringing in new players now...save it for a new manager. Who is going to want to come in and play for one of the also rans in front of 8000 fans?
Burton are managerless, one point from a possible 21 before today.
A totally unacceptable performance and that goon of a manager is 100% responsible there for it. Stands there hands in pockets for 90 minutes.
No passion from the guy.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 23, 2023 17:04:43 GMT
Andy Scott out !
He built this shitty team & squad, he’s appointed Holden & Appleton, the Buck stops with him.
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Post by revilo on Dec 23, 2023 17:05:03 GMT
Sick and tired of this talentless jorneyman of a manager. He was never our first chocie anyway so time to bin him off. We are going backwards under him in terms of quality on the pitch. Unbeaten runs mean nothing when you are drawing at home to the likes of Cambridge and Burton. We might have a few injuries but that doesn't excuse playing players who are out of position. The season is over in terms of the play-offs. Pointless bringing in new players now...save it for a new manager. Have to agree. Not going anywhere under Appleton with his strange tactics. Who was our first choice out of in interest? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 23, 2023 17:11:12 GMT
I heard it was Liam Richardson. That was from somebody outside of the club. He wasn't interested due to what the project looked like so we ended up with Appleton. There is a total disconnect between the type of manager he is and the type of manager we need.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 23, 2023 17:12:21 GMT
I heard it was Liam Richardson. That was from somebody outside of the club. He wasn't interested due to what the project looked like so we ended up with Appleton. There is a total disconnect between the type of manager he is and the type of manager we need. Jurgen Klopp couldn’t get a tune out of this squad. It’s utter shit. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 23, 2023 17:38:42 GMT
Just listened the his post match interview. He is deluded. If he honestly believes what he spouts out then he needs help.
Still banging on about the unbeaten run and two defeats in 16. How many of those games have felt like defeats you muppet. Led in the last three games and drawn.
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Post by aaronaldo on Dec 23, 2023 17:48:35 GMT
He was an underwhelming appointment and he’s proved why since he’s been here.
I mentioned it a few weeks ago with our injuries mounting up that it will show what Appleton is made of.
My conclusion is that he’s no better than Holden.
Obviously the team needs work but it’s not positive signs for me.
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Post by clarky on Dec 23, 2023 18:10:19 GMT
Sick and tired of this talentless jorneyman of a manager. He was never our first chocie anyway so time to bin him off. We are going backwards under him in terms of quality on the pitch. Unbeaten runs mean nothing when you are drawing at home to the likes of Cambridge and Burton. We might have a few injuries but that doesn't excuse playing players who are out of position. The season is over in terms of the play-offs. Pointless bringing in new players now...save it for a new manager. Who is going to want to come in and play for one of the also rans in front of 8000 fans? Burton are managerless, one point from a possible 21 before today. A totally unacceptable performance and that goon of a manager is 100% responsible there for it. Stands there hands in pockets for 90 minutes. No passion from the guy. Spot on mate. |
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Post by se7sm on Dec 23, 2023 18:15:03 GMT
Sick and tired of this talentless jorneyman of a manager. He was never our first chocie anyway so time to bin him off. We are going backwards under him in terms of quality on the pitch. Unbeaten runs mean nothing when you are drawing at home to the likes of Cambridge and Burton. We might have a few injuries but that doesn't excuse playing players who are out of position. The season is over in terms of the play-offs. Pointless bringing in new players now...save it for a new manager. Who is going to want to come in and play for one of the also rans in front of 8000 fans? Burton are managerless, one point from a possible 21 before today. A totally unacceptable performance and that goon of a manager is 100% responsible there for it. Stands there hands in pockets for 90 minutes. No passion from the guy. Spot on mate. well we was warned ,the alarm bells are starting to get louder |
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Post by innerspaced on Dec 23, 2023 20:11:26 GMT
I'm prepared to give him the window and season. Don't think we will get relegated but I'm interested to see the recruitment and if he can turn the draws into wins. Defo have shortages in the squad, however a few key quality additions could see these draws into wins . Don't think changing manager again helps at moment, plus who's out there.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 23, 2023 20:51:16 GMT
I'm prepared to give him the window and season. Don't think we will get relegated but I'm interested to see the recruitment and if he can turn the draws into wins. Defo have shortages in the squad, however a few key quality additions could see these draws into wins . Don't think changing manager again helps at moment, plus who's out there. You see the problem I have with what Appleton said about being 7 games unbeaten and just needing the draws into wins, is he's painted the wrong picture, it's a false statement. If we were battering better sides than us and coming away wirh draws in games we were expected to lose then fine but it's the complete opposite we are seeing. We are leading games and in the last month been pegged back by Carlisle, Cambridge and Burton Albion. Not winning those games is a unacceptable on every level. Appleton is sugar coating it, he keeps saying how many games unbeaten we are as if it's some kind of achievement! He's glorifying some of the terrible results we have had lately because ww haven't lost them. |
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Post by manikin on Dec 23, 2023 20:59:53 GMT
Hasn't a clue, repeatedly plays players out of position when there is no need. No idea at set pieces. Attacking build ups lack crispness and urgency. Incapable of shutting a game down and very little signs of being able to change tactics when needed.
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Post by newyorkaddick on Dec 23, 2023 21:28:03 GMT
Regardless of whether it turns out successfully (which it hasn't so far), it was such a terribly unimaginative appointment. We really demand and deserve better if the new owners have a modicum of ambition.
Instead I fear that despite their deep pockets that we now have THREE layers of yes men (Methven, Scott, Appleton) who are all mediocre talents interested predominantly in job security and tenure. Worryingly this becomes a self-perpetuating cycle with each employing subordinates who won't challenge the status quo.
Ironically perhaps unlike egotistical and incompetent Sandgaard, the relative size of their CAFC investment is so immaterial that I doubt the new owners are very incentivised to recognise and challenge the above suboptimal structure.
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 24, 2023 0:59:03 GMT
Regardless of whether it turns out successfully (which it hasn't so far), it was such a terribly unimaginative appointment. We really demand and deserve better if the new owners have a modicum of ambition. Instead I fear that despite their deep pockets that we now have THREE layers of yes men (Methven, Scott, Appleton) who are all mediocre talents interested predominantly in job security and tenure. Worryingly this becomes a self-perpetuating cycle with each employing subordinates who won't challenge the status quo. Ironically perhaps unlike egotistical and incompetent Sandgaard, the relative size of their CAFC investment is so immaterial that I doubt the new owners are very incentivised to recognise and challenge the above suboptimal structure. CAFC now has a Technical Director and a head Coach as well as the SMT. How might that be described as sub-optimal? They will either succeed or fail in 2024 to build upon what they've inherited. Many of the players from the matchday squad 12 months ago have left the club. What most would describe as sub-optimal is conceding a lead once again in the final minutes. What some might describe as incompetent is to play the leading scorer in the division as a right winger! |
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Post by valley on Dec 24, 2023 9:14:17 GMT
Get Gary Rowett in?.
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Post by aaronaldo on Dec 24, 2023 9:19:07 GMT
I'm prepared to give him the window and season. Don't think we will get relegated but I'm interested to see the recruitment and if he can turn the draws into wins. Defo have shortages in the squad, however a few key quality additions could see these draws into wins . Don't think changing manager again helps at moment, plus who's out there. You see the problem I have with what Appleton said about being 7 games unbeaten and just needing the draws into wins, is he's painted the wrong picture, it's a false statement. If we were battering better sides than us and coming away wirh draws in games we were expected to lose then fine but it's the complete opposite we are seeing. We are leading games and in the last month been pegged back by Carlisle, Cambridge and Burton Albion. Not winning those games is an unacceptable on every level. Appleton is sugar coating it, he keeps saying how many games unbeaten we are as if it's some kind of achievement! He's glorifying some of the terrible results we have had lately because ww haven't lost them. Agree with you Reams. The performances are really concerning. I don’t think our SMT are even considering the thought of sacking him, which for now makes sense. However, I’m very concerned with the way we are playing the last few months now. He’s not learning. Much of it is the squad though. Need to get the likes of Tyreece out on loan so he can learn the physical side of the game outside his comfort zone. We need to massively improve our attacking play. May and CBT have masked our poor attacking threat most the season. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 24, 2023 9:28:29 GMT
Appleton’s early results disguised a lot of shortcomings. The performances against Cray Wanderers and Gillingham away were right up with the worst we have seen in recent years, and his square pegs in round holes approach is no different to Nigel Adkins, or Dean Holden’s. The real problems at the club are higher up. Feedback on Andy Scott is alarming. An arrogant know it all who “doesn’t like back chat” I’m reliably told. He’s here to make a nice few quid out of the club, just like Rodwell is . Before seriouslyred starts, it’s not linked to success on the pitch, they are both getting decent salaries & would be compensated if the time came. If SE7 Partners don’t invest significantly in January, including in all likelihood in a new manager, the fanbase needs to ramp up the pressure on them to move on. |
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Post by stu2020 on Dec 24, 2023 9:55:00 GMT
I think Appleton’s early performances were good with the squad he had… now we have injuries we just don’t have the options from the bench… and we are woefully short some quality in midfield… the guy needs strong support in the Jan window… it is too easy to hang it just on him… the SMT need to spend in Jan… this is critical if the intend to get out of this league… at some point…
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Post by newyorkaddick on Dec 24, 2023 10:10:56 GMT
Regardless of whether it turns out successfully (which it hasn't so far), it was such a terribly unimaginative appointment. We really demand and deserve better if the new owners have a modicum of ambition. Instead I fear that despite their deep pockets that we now have THREE layers of yes men (Methven, Scott, Appleton) who are all mediocre talents interested predominantly in job security and tenure. Worryingly this becomes a self-perpetuating cycle with each employing subordinates who won't challenge the status quo. Ironically perhaps unlike egotistical and incompetent Sandgaard, the relative size of their CAFC investment is so immaterial that I doubt the new owners are very incentivised to recognise and challenge the above suboptimal structure. CAFC now has a Technical Director and a head Coach as well as the SMT. How might that be described as sub-optimal? They will either succeed or fail in 2024 to build upon what they've inherited. Many of the players from the matchday squad 12 months ago have left the club. What most would describe as sub-optimal is conceding a lead once again in the final minutes. What some might describe as incompetent is to play the leading scorer in the division as a right winger! If just having layers of reporting is the key to success then why not add even more? My contention is that they are all mediocre 'yes men' (ie incentivised to remain in their roles by not upsetting anybody or appointing someone who might upset them, rather than take calculated innovative risks). I've noted on other threads that I think May was a poor signing, a type of striker who has virtually disappeared from the modern game with the demise of 442. However playing him on the wing is plainly Appleton's decision - a smart manager would either find a way to accommodate him through the middle or drop him to the bench, start with a balanced lineup and keep him as an option when we're chasing the game. |
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Post by valley on Dec 24, 2023 10:12:14 GMT
Only if top six crowds will return.
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 24, 2023 10:20:17 GMT
Appleton’s early results disguised a lot of shortcomings. The performances against Cray Wanderers and Gillingham away were right up with the worst we have seen in recent years, and his square pegs in round holes approach is no different to Nigel Adkins, or Dean Holden’s. The real problems at the club are higher up. Feedback on Andy Scott is alarming. An arrogant know it all who “doesn’t like back chat” I’m reliably told. He’s here to make a nice few quid out of the club, just like Rodwell is . Before seriouslyred starts, it’s not linked to success on the pitch, they are both getting decent salaries & would be compensated if the time came. If SE7 Partners don’t invest significantly in January, including in all likelihood in a new manager, the fanbase needs to ramp up the pressure on them to move on. Anybody in the professional game is a "know it all" compared to the average fan. Especially armchair critics who insuate that the management team shouldn't be paid, except for a promotion bonus. Not the first time we've seen this ludicrous trope. Let's recall where we were 12 months ago, before castigating SE7 Partners 24/7. Unless of course one prefers to romanticise a team consisting: Inniss, Lavelle, O'Connell, Clare, Morgan, Stockley, Jaiyesimi, Payne and Kirk. And let's nor forget our world beating keepers, Wollacott and McGillivray! No, rather than slagging the entire club, we might take stock and recognise that five games without a win has shattered the illusion of progress. That there's a clear need for three or four decent platers to be signed next month. And that the latest Head Coach is nothing special. The lack of wins will surely generate tensions within the club. I for one expect the Technical Director to respond with a couple of decent signings early January. Given that there are three main investors, how long into 2024 before they kick off / who might be thrown under the bus if the ol' XG isn't sorted. As for the fans kicking off? Not happening - they'll just vote with their feet and their wallets. Which will impact quarterly financial reports fairly swiftly. Some assume zero accountability but every manager will have key targets to hit within one or two years of the takeover last July. One suspects that they will focus on league position and lack of play-off chances as the reason for not delivering on crowds, sponsorship, player sales etc. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 24, 2023 10:30:27 GMT
CAFC now has a Technical Director and a head Coach as well as the SMT. How might that be described as sub-optimal? They will either succeed or fail in 2024 to build upon what they've inherited. Many of the players from the matchday squad 12 months ago have left the club. What most would describe as sub-optimal is conceding a lead once again in the final minutes. What some might describe as incompetent is to play the leading scorer in the division as a right winger! If just having layers of reporting is the key to success then why not add even more? My contention is that they are all mediocre 'yes men' (ie incentivised to remain in their roles by not upsetting anybody or appointing someone who might upset them, rather than take calculated innovative risks). I've noted on other threads that I think May was a poor signing, a type of striker who has virtually disappeared from the modern game with the demise of 442. However playing him on the wing is plainly Appleton's decision - a smart manager would either find a way to accommodate him through the middle or drop him to the bench, start with a balanced lineup and keep him as an option when we're chasing the game. Playing May as a 10 was innovative and appeared to work. But that means Tyreece Campbell needs to be on form and/or Scott signs another winger. But does CAFC need to be innovative? Or simply raise standards and perform to budget in the top six? If we fail to improve then both fans and investors will ask for explanations and a plan. Just posted that failure will also lead to tensions within the club, ideally constructive and creative ones. Andy Scott needs to source better players that will push us on. And probably a better manager, but Appleton needs a chance to fail first! |
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Post by manikin on Dec 24, 2023 10:39:39 GMT
I think Appleton’s early performances were good with the squad he had… now we have injuries we just don’t have the options from the bench… and we are woefully short some quality in midfield… the guy needs strong support in the Jan window… it is too easy to hang it just on him… the SMT need to spend in Jan… this is critical if the intend to get out of this league… at some point… You can't blame a coach for a squad he inherits, but you can blame him for having very little coaching nous. It's totally inexcusable for example, in nullifying the only real goal theat we have in May by playing him out of position. I've mentioned what I think his failing are in other posts and I feel we need a new coach in to make use of the transfer window, or the owners will be throwing good money after bad. |
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Post by discocafc on Dec 24, 2023 11:37:24 GMT
Andy Scott out ! He built this shitty team & squad, he’s appointed Holden & Appleton, the Buck stops with him. He hasn’t had a full window yet! |
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Post by massivebeak on Dec 24, 2023 11:42:03 GMT
Makes no difference if we sack him, we’ll only attract shit to the club. Who in their right mind would want to come to this crack pot set up. May as well keep Appleton- I don’t rate him but we won’t attract anyone decent.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 24, 2023 12:03:02 GMT
Appleton’s early results disguised a lot of shortcomings. The performances against Cray Wanderers and Gillingham away were right up with the worst we have seen in recent years, and his square pegs in round holes approach is no different to Nigel Adkins, or Dean Holden’s. The real problems at the club are higher up. Feedback on Andy Scott is alarming. An arrogant know it all who “doesn’t like back chat” I’m reliably told. He’s here to make a nice few quid out of the club, just like Rodwell is . Before seriouslyred starts, it’s not linked to success on the pitch, they are both getting decent salaries & would be compensated if the time came. If SE7 Partners don’t invest significantly in January, including in all likelihood in a new manager, the fanbase needs to ramp up the pressure on them to move on. Anybody in the professional game is a "know it all" compared to the average fan. Especially armchair critics who insuate that the management team shouldn't be paid, except for a promotion bonus. Not the first time we've seen this ludicrous trope. Let's recall where we were 12 months ago, before castigating SE7 Partners 24/7. Unless of course one prefers to romanticise a team consisting: Inniss, Lavelle, O'Connell, Clare, Morgan, Stockley, Jaiyesimi, Payne and Kirk. And let's nor forget our world beating keepers, Wollacott and McGillivray! No, rather than slagging the entire club, we might take stock and recognise that five games without a win has shattered the illusion of progress. That there's a clear need for three or four decent platers to be signed next month. And that the latest Head Coach is nothing special. The lack of wins will surely generate tensions within the club. I for one expect the Technical Director to respond with a couple of decent signings early January. Given that there are three main investors, how long into 2024 before they kick off / who might be thrown under the bus if the ol' XG isn't sorted. As for the fans kicking off? Not happening - they'll just vote with their feet and their wallets. Which will impact quarterly financial reports fairly swiftly. Some assume zero accountability but every manager will have key targets to hit within one or two years of the takeover last July. One suspects that they will focus on league position and lack of play-off chances as the reason for not delivering on crowds, sponsorship, player sales etc. “Slagging the entire club” is your familiar gaslighting Kevin, and with all due respect I have supported CAFC a lot longer & a lot more diligently than you have , so I’ll have my say about these shitty temporary custodians, even if it goes against the grain on here. Forget about your beloved Xg and points per games and where’s we will be next February or September - you measure a club’s well-being - it’s heart rate if you like - only through two main factors. 1. League Position 2. Home attendances And both have been consistently very poor under SE7 Partners ownership. Ordinary fans haven’t fallen for Charlie’s promises and Scott’s bullshit - they can see just how poor the product is on the pitch, and that it’s highly unlikely these chancers can turn the dial and remedy things. I’ll be at Orient on Boxing Day, supporting our club and hoping for a better 2024 under new owners & a better manager. |
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Post by clarky on Dec 24, 2023 12:27:11 GMT
I watched the game yesterday and saw how poor we were, how gutless we were, with a complete lack of leadership, a clueless manager and a dwindling crowd. Please somebody who keeps banging on about those bloody xg stats can tell us how by keep referring to them will change any of that.
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Post by clarky on Dec 24, 2023 12:31:31 GMT
Anybody in the professional game is a "know it all" compared to the average fan. Especially armchair critics who insuate that the management team shouldn't be paid, except for a promotion bonus. Not the first time we've seen this ludicrous trope. Let's recall where we were 12 months ago, before castigating SE7 Partners 24/7. Unless of course one prefers to romanticise a team consisting: Inniss, Lavelle, O'Connell, Clare, Morgan, Stockley, Jaiyesimi, Payne and Kirk. And let's nor forget our world beating keepers, Wollacott and McGillivray! No, rather than slagging the entire club, we might take stock and recognise that five games without a win has shattered the illusion of progress. That there's a clear need for three or four decent platers to be signed next month. And that the latest Head Coach is nothing special. The lack of wins will surely generate tensions within the club. I for one expect the Technical Director to respond with a couple of decent signings early January. Given that there are three main investors, how long into 2024 before they kick off / who might be thrown under the bus if the ol' XG isn't sorted. As for the fans kicking off? Not happening - they'll just vote with their feet and their wallets. Which will impact quarterly financial reports fairly swiftly. Some assume zero accountability but every manager will have key targets to hit within one or two years of the takeover last July. One suspects that they will focus on league position and lack of play-off chances as the reason for not delivering on crowds, sponsorship, player sales etc. “Slagging the entire club” is your familiar gaslighting Kevin, and with all due respect I have supported CAFC a lot longer & a lot more diligently than you have , so I’ll have my say about these shitty temporary custodians, even if it goes against the grain on here. Forget about your beloved Xg and points per games and where’s we will be next February or September - you measure a club’s well-being - it’s heart rate if you like - only through two main factors. 1. League Position 2. Home attendances And both have been consistently very poor under SE7 Partners ownership. Ordinary fans haven’t fallen for Charlie’s promises and Scott’s bullshit - they can see just how poor the product is on the pitch, and that it’s highly unlikely these chancers can turn the dial and remedy things. I’ll be at Orient on Boxing Day, supporting our club and hoping for a better 2024 under new owners & a better manager. Good post mate, although across social media only a smuttering of fans thought Methven was the real deal. |
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Post by valley on Dec 24, 2023 12:41:55 GMT
Sunderland fanbase was not happy with Methven and co now they not happy with Current owners and new manager.
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Post by manikin on Dec 24, 2023 12:58:08 GMT
Far as I'm concerned our current owner's have one chance - January, they need to use that time and their money wisely and really show intent, even if they realise as we do, this season has gone!
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