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Post by manikin on Dec 30, 2023 12:22:36 GMT
Appleton needs to go now, not next week or the week after, now! Why are the ownership sitting on their hands? Do they expect MA to coax a performance out of nowhere? Throwing away MORE points and waiting for the situation to grow MORE toxic??? Agree, plus any incoming players need to come in under a new manager. |
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Post by crapgame on Dec 30, 2023 12:27:39 GMT
I dont think its a coincidence that Holden was sacked after a poor run when he didnt have Leaburn and Aneke available. Appleton comes in, he gets the 2 big boys back and we start scoring lots of goals. Now the 2 are injured again and we are back where we were. Look at our results and lack of goals since early december. Even I have noticed that we cannot retain the ball up front in games now, Tedic looks non-league level, Kanu has promise but as shown in his 2 starts, is inexperienced and naive. Im not an Appleton fan, but who do we 'realistically' bring in? Who would want to come here, mid-table squad with a very young side and no leadership? Its not exactly a big pull is it? It would take a miracle now to get to the play-offs, so I would say unless we can obtain the services of a very good long term manager, we should probably stick as I am not sure a change of manager will help. Its players we need!!
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Post by AndyAddick on Dec 30, 2023 13:03:35 GMT
Appleton out ?
Ya can’t polish a turd ! 11 duds !!
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Post by valley on Dec 30, 2023 13:48:33 GMT
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Post by se7sm on Dec 30, 2023 14:15:48 GMT
The only way out for him is if the owners decide to throw silly money in and do an Ipswich , and as that’s probably not going to happen and as it’s a results game he’s on borrowed time .
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Post by aaronaldo on Dec 30, 2023 14:21:57 GMT
I dont think it’s a coincidence that Holden was sacked after a poor run when he didnt have Leaburn and Aneke available. Appleton comes in, he gets the 2 big boys back and we start scoring lots of goals. Now the 2 are injured again and we are back where we were. Look at our results and lack of goals since early december. Even I have noticed that we cannot retain the ball up front in games now, Tedic looks non-league level, Kanu has promise but as shown in his 2 starts, is inexperienced and naive. Im not an Appleton fan, but who do we 'realistically' bring in? Who would want to come here, mid-table squad with a very young side and no leadership? It’s not exactly a big pull is it? It would take a miracle now to get to the play-offs, so I would say unless we can obtain the services of a very good long term manager, we should probably stick as I am not sure a change of manager will help. It’s players we need!! Have to agree. Unless we could get a quality manager in, which I don’t think is likely with where our squad and our fan base tbh. It’s a poisoned chalice. Fixing the squad is the way we need to go. I don’t agree with Appleton’s weird obsession with playing multiple people out of position. But I also think a big portion of the issue is to do with the tools he currently has available. Holden struggled when we lost our main strikers. Now Appleton is struggling. I’m not a fan of Appleton though. Holden I liked and think he’ll have a good career when he has more experience. He brought the club together, whereas I feel like Appleton is the opposite. He’ll isolate players (and definitely fans). The other worrying bit for me was that Holden still created chances. Yes we lost games late on, when trying to win them, but we still made chances. We haven’t done much at all in the last 6-8 games for Appleton. xG has been horrendous. If we’re being honest then excluding pens it’s been pretty bad all season, but we have had a good share of pens which has bolstered it. |
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Post by se7sm on Dec 30, 2023 14:22:13 GMT
I dont think its a coincidence that Holden was sacked after a poor run when he didnt have Leaburn and Aneke available. Appleton comes in, he gets the 2 big boys back and we start scoring lots of goals. Now the 2 are injured again and we are back where we were. Look at our results and lack of goals since early december. Even I have noticed that we cannot retain the ball up front in games now, Tedic looks non-league level, Kanu has promise but as shown in his 2 starts, is inexperienced and naive. Im not an Appleton fan, but who do we 'realistically' bring in? Who would want to come here, mid-table squad with a very young side and no leadership? It’s not exactly a big pull is it? It would take a miracle now to get to the play-offs, so I would say unless we can obtain the services of a very good long term manager, we should probably stick as I am not sure a change of manager will help. It’s players we need!! Bristol might argue with you on that after beating Bolton Portsmouth and us |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 30, 2023 15:08:33 GMT
Whether we stick or twist in January, I think Appleton has lost the dressing room.
On that basis he has to go.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Dec 30, 2023 15:14:39 GMT
Whether we stick or twist in January, I think Appleton has lost the dressing room. On that basis he has to go. Reams,would you say a poor result against Oxford will speed up SE7's decision,or do you believe the wheels are already in motion? I know you can't fully reveal details,but you obviously have contacts. |
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Post by clarky on Dec 30, 2023 15:16:18 GMT
My problem is as much or more with Scott than Appleton. Whilst Appleton needs to go he should never had been appointed in the first place and the same applies to Holden. Both would not have been our choices but they were Scott's along with last January's duds coupled with this summer's duds, so can anyone honestly see him appointing the type of manager we desperately need together with a budget large enough to bring in approximately 8 players who are top six standard with some better squad options that are what the manager wants and are not his choices? Unless Scott goes the merry go round will continue because he doesn't want to lose control of what he has got and the next manager will fail with the one after that inheriting a team with players he had no say in.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Dec 30, 2023 15:34:52 GMT
Never a fan of constantly changing manager as it only destabilises the club further. Each manager claimig that they're not his players. However, it is starting to look like MA'S position is becoming untenable. Do we just go through another interview process at a key time when we are looking to build the squad, and end up with another journeyman, or take a risk on a young man with potential that knows the club through and through. Someone that would be respected by fans and players alike. Obviously I am thinking Jason Pearce here. Right ready to be shot down in flames. Jason Pearce would be another soft “please the fans/ buy us some time” option, IMO. He’s also a great club servant, who deserves better than this poison chalice. Nathan Jones would be the obvious appointment for any ambitious owner. Rip the whole thing up, and start again from scratch. I hope you're right as he would probably be a decent appointment. But would he come down to L1 again? Just can't see it. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Dec 30, 2023 15:45:17 GMT
Jason Pearce would be another soft “please the fans/ buy us some time” option, IMO. He’s also a great club servant, who deserves better than this poison chalice. Nathan Jones would be the obvious appointment for any ambitious owner. Rip the whole thing up, and start again from scratch. I hope you're right as he would probably be a decent appointment. But would he come down to L1 again? Just can't see it. Even if he would step down will he do it for a set up where the Director of Football ties his hands with the tactics and poor recruitment? |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 30, 2023 15:48:51 GMT
Whether we stick or twist in January, I think Appleton has lost the dressing room. On that basis he has to go. Appleton is a convenient human shield for Methven / Scott / Rodwell, who are the ones making the decisions, and bluffing both the fans & the investors. Methven had plenty to say in the protracted run up to replacing Sandgaard, why the silence now when it’s gone pear shaped 🤔 We can’t say we were not warned. Scott and Rodwell have very mixed reviews and track records at their previous clubs, and Methven was absolutely loathed at Sunderland for the way he ran their club. Are thousands of Sunderland fans wrong, and Methven an innocent party ? The only positive is that we are approaching the Moment of Truth in the January transfer window for these three individuals. They have leaked the Clarke-Harris rumour to try to deflect attention, but nobody bar a couple of individuals on forums are going to be fooled a third time. Scott faces the ignominious prospect of going to the investors for a third time in 12 months to seek funds to change the management team. The moment must be fast approaching where these apparently heavyweight billionaires ask serious questions of Charlie Boy & Co. That day can’t come soon enough ⏰ |
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Post by revilo on Dec 30, 2023 15:55:51 GMT
We all know Appleton's time is running out but I have a feeling he won't be sacked until after the transfer window.
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Post by cafc4life on Dec 30, 2023 16:24:35 GMT
Appleton lost the dressing room at the same time we played cray valley at home.
As soon as didn’t win the first game all the players just dropped their heads.
That was time he went on a downward spiral .
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Dec 30, 2023 17:04:05 GMT
After some awful managerial decisions over the years how about a change of direction we need to find a up and coming younger manager trying to make a name for himself. A look at the Bromley manager may be worth looking at , just a thought.
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Post by melrose555 on Dec 30, 2023 17:19:06 GMT
Never wanted Appleton in the first place. Terrible appointment. Barring a miraculous upturn in results I still wouldn't want him. His overall management in all respects has been a shambles. Although we are short of quality he should have done better with the players he has his disposal. Would like Scott to go too. Don't want either of them to be involved should some transfer funds be fortcoming
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Post by whynot on Dec 30, 2023 17:28:15 GMT
I would keep Appleton until the end of the season unless they have someone better (I hope) lined up. Give him the January window to turn things around if not give him the old heave-ho as soon as the season is over and hire a new one before the transfer window opens.
So they get the players they want and not the leftovers from the old manager.
Appleton never started that bad but has lost his way in the past few weeks. which also coincides with the mounting injury list. I know there is talk that he has lost the dressing room and the player's respect. But who truly knows if that is true or just more speculation?
Is he the man for the job I would say no but I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and could keeping him hurt what is left of the season?
The fact is I am a bit sick and tired of the revolving door we seem to have when it comes to managers.
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Post by returnofpiestalker on Dec 30, 2023 17:43:18 GMT
Get Bowyer back
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Post by tonaddick on Dec 30, 2023 17:46:50 GMT
After some awful managerial decisions over the years how about a change of direction we need to find a up and coming younger manager trying to make a name for himself. A look at the Bromley manager may be worth looking at , just a thought. Andy Woodman is in his 50s. |
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Post by sittingbourne11 on Dec 30, 2023 17:50:19 GMT
I just looked at his age on Wikipedia probably to old I agree but he’s doing a great job.
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Post by smudge7946 on Dec 30, 2023 19:23:11 GMT
Let's keep him till the end of the season. This season is a clear and obvious write off.
Do pre season at Sparows Lane and hit the restart button with a new gaffer. Lee Bowyer would be good 👍
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Post by charltonforlife on Dec 30, 2023 19:50:35 GMT
Going to 17 games this season including the last 5. Also being involved with football for over 40 years I cannot for the life of me understand why Appleton is playing Alfie out wide it makes absolutely no sense. Go to 4-2-3-1 with Alfie in the middle of the 3. In a football sense this should be so easy for Appleton to see, like Curbs said he needs to be central. He is the ideal player to buzz around in the box but not out of it. His alertness and instinct are his biggest attributes so Appleton needs to use this. Alfie is the best in this division at what he does, so for Gods sake and all connected with Charlton’s sake use Alfie correctly.
Also, push the boat out to sign Clarke Harris he is also the best in the division at what he does also Keep CBT, play 2 wingers and watch this team transform. This should be obvious to any with feasible football knowledge. The season is far from lost, do this Appleton ( you are surely thinking on the same lines ) if not I will be questioning your football acumen. You already have Alfie and CBT the best in the division at what they do. It’s easy really (unless you are too stubborn) and if this is the case then please leave our football club !!!
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 30, 2023 20:02:49 GMT
3 words
Stability , Time and Patience that what Charlton needs both on and off the pitch . sacking MA would be a ridiculous move , not sure what more he can do with the tools he took over .. he has to be given two windows before he can be judged ..
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Post by Professor Glum on Dec 30, 2023 20:11:56 GMT
Can somebody call me a Doctor please....
I actually agree with Bexleyboy.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 30, 2023 20:22:21 GMT
3 words Stability , Time and Patience that what Charlton needs both on and off the pitch . sacking MA would be a ridiculous move , not sure what more he can do with the tools he took over .. he has to be given two windows before he can be judged .. “Not sure what he can do with the tools he took over (sic)”. This statement would be a lot more credible had you not sung the praises of these same tools, and the tools who signed them, from the rooftops at the time. |
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Post by 995632 on Dec 30, 2023 21:21:36 GMT
After some awful managerial decisions over the years how about a change of direction we need to find a up and coming younger manager trying to make a name for himself. A look at the Bromley manager may be worth looking at , just a thought. Andy Woodman is not a young and up and coming manager, he was our goal keeping coach when Pardew was in charge and went to Newcastle with him and got given the original 7 year contract that Pardew then HAD to have too. Essentially, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. Go for a 'young, up and coming manager' we have gone for the cheap option with no experience. Go for an experienced head and we've brought in a cheap option who is past it/a journey man manager who has never won anything. Watch the probable meltdown if we appointed 'a goalkeeping coach who is in non league.' Couple of seasons ago people would've wanted someone like Liam Manning/Matt Taylor, now if we went for someone like them he would be called a useless failure who has never done anything. (Could argue this was the idea with Ben Garner - young, up and coming manager) The structure with Scott as Director of Football deciding on players "who fit a profile" is pretty recognised now, Arsenal/Newcastle/Brighton all operate this way. Even Peterborough have Barry Fry in the role dealing with transfers etc. Most teams operate with 'a recruitment team' but the difference with other clubs is seemingly the scouting network is already in place and developed. The fact that there is allegedly money on the table and we are already trying to secure targets is a good thing. Whether we actually offer up the correct fee and wages, teams agree to deal early in the window (Can't see JCH before 13th,if at all) and we don't implode before we get in the much needed reinforcements is another story entirely!! |
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Post by 995632 on Dec 30, 2023 21:44:42 GMT
3 words Stability , Time and Patience that what Charlton needs both on and off the pitch . sacking MA would be a ridiculous move , not sure what more he can do with the tools he took over .. he has to be given two windows before he can be judged .. “Not sure what he can do with the tools he took over (sic)”. This statement would be a lot more credible had you not sung the praises of these same tools, and the tools who signed them, from the rooftops at the time. "had you not sung the praises of these same tools, and the tools who signed them, from the rooftops at the time" What exactly is he supposed to say? "I know nothing about these players, hopefully a few of them will work out. I've heard that Campbell kid is alright in the U23's, absolutely your guess is as good as mine if he can do a job. And don't get me started about that Irish Italian bloke, I couldn't even pick him up from the airport because I didn't have a clue what he looks like." As some people have suggested we somehow convince Bowyer come back, he's not unaffected by this hyperbole people don't like. Bowyer said this about Connor Gallagher - Bowyer was in high spirits talking about the Charlton new boy: “He’s an exciting young player. He can put his foot in, create, score and has a bit of everything so I’m over the moon to have him through the door." Would only really say that someone who had an avid knowledge of U18 Academy football would have an idea who Gallagher was. I don't think Bowyer was that much of a regular on the U18 pitches and would've gone with whatever he was told. Bowyer said this about Josh Parker - "He’s got qualities and we have to realise his qualities and use them to our strength and it will be fine. I’m sure he’ll come in and score goals, I have no doubt.” It wasn't like he could say "we lost Karlan Grant and were absolutely desperado for a body to come in because we faffed around and wouldn't pay any decent money for anyone. So good ol' Stevie boy got out his little black QPR book and worked out that Josh had been there and was possibly the only player available in the known universe who would come to this nut house. So we pretended to the fans that we're not as useless as they all make out and got a 'decent player' when I think he's a donkey and he will quite possibly be stealing a living but it is what it is!" |
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Post by charltonforlife on Dec 30, 2023 22:14:00 GMT
Come on you got to take Clarke Harris he occupies central defenders better than any striker I have seen at this level then that will create space for Alfie - we would have the best strike force since we had Darren Bent. Add CBT supplying the ammunition both Clarke Harris and Alfie would cause mayhem in the 18 yard box. Football is about opinions but ignoring the obvious is about not knowing the sport and the dynamics of how one striker whilst always being effective can act as a catalyst for the other. Alfie and JCH and watch the goals flow !!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 22:31:09 GMT
Just wanted to check in for my own peace of mind....
Am I the only Charlton fan that absolutely detests the idea of Lee Bowyer (or any other sentimental candidate) returning?
New era, new vision.
Put your money where your mouth is, and appoint Nathan Jones.
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