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Post by steve2707 on Sept 11, 2023 8:20:01 GMT
When the season ended, I didn't want us to sign too many experienced Centre backs, as I thought signing these would have impacted on the corps of (very good) young players we have at the club, who play in that position.
We then signed Jones. (And thank goodness we did!)
No-one can tell me that they weren't clamouring to sign Hector after his performances last season. He looked a level above any other defender we had at the club.
OK, he has not performed up to the standards he showed last season. But there's no evidence he won't get better, especially if we have a bit of consistency in the defence. (Even things like making the same choices of 'keeper, can lead to players becoming more confident in their decision making.)
As for Ness, I think some people are missing the mental impact of an injury can have on a player. Lucas received quite a bad injury at the end of last season. Probably the first one he's had in his career. And, despite any support he will be receiving in training, behind the scenes etc., he is probably still worried about going into tackles, jumping for headers, whacking the ball up the pitch, and the effect it may have on his damaged knee. (And it will be damaged, however good modern surgery may be.)
So, be patient. He's not suddenly become a bad player. Maybe take him out of the firing line for a while, until he adjusts into the new way his body works.
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 11, 2023 8:59:04 GMT
I think you have to also take into account that CB's are very reliant on how others are working around them. We'd had various people playing fullback or wing backs roles, including the likes of CBT and Asiimwe. CBT is not known for his defensive qualities and Asiimwe is still learning.
If the fullbacks aren't in the right position to stop crosses or put pressure on the opposition then this can give more opportunities for the opposition. Picking out a cross in acres of space is much easier than if you have a defender at your heels. I've seen plenty of examples of us not closing down enough and poor positioning of our FB/WB's which have led to chances and goals and often blamed on the defender as they haven't beaten their man to the ball etc. Yes, they need to do their part as well but they need everyone working around them to help. I think some of our issues have been others around them and also the chopping and changing of our defence.
We need a settled defence as soon as possible. Hopefully with experienced full backs (T. Watson and Edun)
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Post by manikin on Sept 11, 2023 9:14:34 GMT
I think you have to also take into account that CB's are very reliant on how others are working around them. We'd had various people playing fullback or wing backs roles, including the likes of CBT and Asiimwe. CBT is not known for his defensive qualities and Asiimwe is still learning. If the fullbacks aren't in the right position to stop crosses or put pressure on the opposition then this can give more opportunities for the opposition. Picking out a cross in aches of space is much easier than if you have a defender at your heels. I'd seen plenty of examples of us not closing down enough and poor positioning of our FB/WB's which have led to chances and goals, which often can be blamed on the defender as they haven't beaten their man to the ball etc. Yes, they need to do their part as well but they need everyone working around them to help. I think some of our issues have been others around them and also the chopping and changing of our defence. We need a settled defence as soon as possible. Hopefully with experienced full backs (T. Watson and Edun) Totally agree, I feel our CBs at time are being drawn out of position by bad play from the full backs. |
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Post by huddy1978 on Sept 11, 2023 11:05:41 GMT
Our full backs could do with looking back at some old videos of Chris Powell, he wasn't the fastest but for positioning, composure and decision making he was one of the best.
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Post by geronimo on Sept 12, 2023 9:57:48 GMT
Could have been better but could have been worse, not too inspired myself, but like others on here, he will have my support. He may well have joined us at the right time with Leaburn back and hopefully Fraser and Camara not too far off which will make a huge difference to the first eleven. As long as he sorts out our very leaky defence pronto, we may well be ok, good luck Mr. Appleton! Agree. He’s come in at a good time. We hopefully have a]our stronger players coming back from injury soon and this short break will hopefully help us. Really want to see their fitness improve over the next month. If we do well in the first few games, then the fans will quickly get on side imo. I don’t want to think about the opposite scenario. We’re scoring goals. So he needs to get us organised at the back and we’ll then have a chance. |
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Post by smudge7946 on Sept 12, 2023 11:56:23 GMT
Two years is optimistic for a Charlton boss.
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Post by sevenoaks on Sept 12, 2023 12:12:07 GMT
When the season ended, I didn't want us to sign too many experienced Centre backs, as I thought signing these would have impacted on the corps of (very good) young players we have at the club, who play in that position. We then signed Jones. (And thank goodness we did!) No-one can tell me that they weren't clamouring to sign Hector after his performances last season. He looked a level above any other defender we had at the club. OK, he has not performed up to the standards he showed last season. But there's no evidence he won't get better, especially if we have a bit of consistency in the defence. (Even things like making the same choices of 'keeper, can lead to players becoming more confident in their decision making.) As for Ness, I think some people are missing the mental impact of an injury can have on a player. Lucas received quite a bad injury at the end of last season. Probably the first one he's had in his career. And, despite any support he will be receiving in training, behind the scenes etc., he is probably still worried about going into tackles, jumping for headers, whacking the ball up the pitch, and the effect it may have on his damaged knee. (And it will be damaged, however good modern surgery may be.) So, be patient. He's not suddenly become a bad player. Maybe take him out of the firing line for a while, until he adjusts into the new way his body works. Thanks for explaining that. I knew Lucas hadn't become a bad player overnight. I wasn't aware of the severity of his injury... |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 12, 2023 13:40:21 GMT
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Post by AndyB on Sept 12, 2023 14:06:27 GMT
Two years is optimistic for a Charlton boss. they’re lucky to last two windows now |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 16:59:45 GMT
Anyone know if Appleton is bringing his own staff in ?
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 13, 2023 7:10:23 GMT
Anyone know if Appleton is bringing his own staff in ? Do you mean assistant manager and/or coaches? I always find it a bit strange, considering our managers don't last, that the manager would bring in their our coaches. With the change to a head coach role vs a manager. Would we not recruit the coaches via Andy Scott rather than Michael Appleton? |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 13, 2023 12:50:08 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 13, 2023 13:24:51 GMT
Yes Andy Scott is Technical Director and in charge of ALL footballing matters. He will most probably be around for the entirety of these next two seasons ideally taking us from where we were under ESI / Sandgaard to something that more closely resembles a top six club / Championship club without parachute monies. Ed Warwick is in charge of the financials (which aren't that complicated) - given his background in asset management he will most probably be looking at models which appraise the future value of the squad Jim Rodwell is chair and in charge of Operations whilst Charlie Methven is spokesman to the fans and investors as well as engeged in strategy and commercial. It's a big ask but CAFC commercial revenue is only 40% of peer clubs at the top of League One and in the Championship. |
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Post by madz on Sept 13, 2023 13:51:49 GMT
Appleton should absolutely be allowed to bring in his own staff and not have people put on him who he might not like working with. Pearce seems quite happy to go back to the Academy so no issues there. Stephen Henderson was only temporary if I understand correctly. The only difficult one could be Hayes. If MA doesn't want him then he shouldn't be made to have him, but in turn Hayes I don't think has done anything wrong to warrant the sack so another role should be offered, maybe in reserves or Academy?
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 13, 2023 13:55:55 GMT
Yes Andy Scott is Technical Director and in charge of ALL footballing matters. He will most probably be around for the entirety of these next two seasons ideally taking us from where we were under ESI / Sandgaard to something that more closely resembles a top six club / Championship club without parachute monies. Ed Warwick is in charge of the financials (which aren't that complicated) - given his background in asset management he will most probably be looking at models which appraise the future value of the squad Jim Rodwell is chair and in charge of Operations whilst Charlie Methven is spokesman to the fans and investors as well as engeged in strategy and commercial. It's a big ask but CAFC commercial revenue is only 40% of peer clubs at the top of League One and in the Championship. Thanks, yeah I understand the different roles and that Andy is in charge of football related matters. I was wondering what influence a 'head coach' has on the hiring of coaches. It sounds like it's some but not loads. This is a new direction for us as usually the manager brings in a number of his team and they'd leave if he is sacked. We may still see Appleton recommended coaches coming in, but only if Andy see's them as improving the club in the long term. There seems to be an assumption that Appleton would just bring in his own team of coaches, which is no longer the case. Having a consistence and quality bunch of coaches will be important if we want to succeed with our academy going forwards. It's less of a 'package deal' with the manager and coaches it seems, which I think is a good thing. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 13, 2023 14:12:19 GMT
Yes Andy Scott is Technical Director and in charge of ALL footballing matters. He will most probably be around for the entirety of these next two seasons ideally taking us from where we were under ESI / Sandgaard to something that more closely resembles a top six club / Championship club without parachute monies. Ed Warwick is in charge of the financials (which aren't that complicated) - given his background in asset management he will most probably be looking at models which appraise the future value of the squad Jim Rodwell is chair and in charge of Operations whilst Charlie Methven is spokesman to the fans and investors as well as engeged in strategy and commercial. It's a big ask but CAFC commercial revenue is only 40% of peer clubs at the top of League One and in the Championship. Thanks, yeah I understand the different roles and that Andy is in charge of football related matters. I was wondering what influence a 'head coach' has on the hiring of coaches. It sounds like it's some but not loads. This is a new direction for us as usually the manager brings in a number of his team and they'd leave if he is sacked. We may still see Appleton recommended coaches coming in, but only if Andy see's them as improving the club in the long term. There seems to be an assumption that Appleton would just bring in his own team of coaches, which is no longer the case. Having a consistence and quality bunch of coaches will be important if we want to succeed with our academy going forwards. It's less of a 'package deal' with the manager and coaches it seems, which I think is a good thing. Apologies if my earlier reply guilty of "fansplaining"! (is that a word?) Simply mixing your question with all those who have conflated Scott's role with Methven because CM has high visibility. Without rehashing the entire discussion about hiring the head coach, surely the same principles apply: fit with the new culture, aptitude for coaching young players, strength and alignment with Scott's CAFC vision on formation, tactics and approach. No doubt Atherton will contribute names to a short list, but Scott will have names too. CAFC absolutely needs to be in a certain place by next summer and this new coaching team appointment plus the new Performance Director and team are vital for the journey. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 13, 2023 17:15:33 GMT
I feel we’ve been waiting for a long time, but at last we’ve finally got someone running the football side of the business who knows what the job is. Of course Michael Appleton gets a say in the appointment of his coaching staff, he’s got to work with them after all, but no it’s not his call alone. Nor should it be. He’s not running the club and the players will need need a high quality coaching staff long after he’s gone. Talk might be cheap but to mix metaphors, so far Andy Scott has hit all the right notes in every single thing he’s said. If the execution of strategy gets even close to the intention we’re in very good shape. It might not be rocket science, but Scott’s role and influence is like nothing the club has seen before. At last. I’d almost given up. |
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Post by manikin on Sept 13, 2023 17:25:08 GMT
I feel we’ve been waiting for a long time, but at last we’ve finally got someone running the football side of the business who knows what the job is. Of course Michael Appleton gets a say in the appointment of his coaching staff, he’s got to work with them after all, but no it’s not his call alone. Nor should it be. He’s not running the club and the players will need need a high quality coaching staff long after he’s gone. Talk might be cheap but to mix metaphors, so far Andy Scott has hit all the right notes in every single thing he’s said. If the execution of strategy gets even close to the intention we’re in very good shape. It might not be rocket science, but Scott’s role and influence is like nothing the club has seen before. At last. I’d almost given up. As you say it's been along time coming and it's been someone we have needed. Very impressed with Scott, I'm sure I'm not the only one he's made feel far more optimistic about the future of the club. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 13, 2023 21:56:54 GMT
I feel we’ve been waiting for a long time, but at last we’ve finally got someone running the football side of the business who knows what the job is. Of course Michael Appleton gets a say in the appointment of his coaching staff, he’s got to work with them after all, but no it’s not his call alone. Nor should it be. He’s not running the club and the players will need need a high quality coaching staff long after he’s gone. Talk might be cheap but to mix metaphors, so far Andy Scott has hit all the right notes in every single thing he’s said. If the execution of strategy gets even close to the intention we’re in very good shape. It might not be rocket science, but Scott’s role and influence is like nothing the club has seen before. At last. I’d almost given up. Scott has had two windows and two x seven week stints to execute the strategy. Within that 14 weeks he has - decommissioned the Sandgaard/ Gallen squad from 12 months ago - promoted Academy players as per the strategy - replaced a manager / head coach who went off piste with 5-3-2 in his absence. And yet all of the pressure is now on Scott and Appleton to deliver performances and results which place us back on track ASAP. Here's hoping we get the rub of the green throughout the next 10-15 games. That's to say we close the gap on the top six and enter the January window in good shape. It shouldn't be the case as strategy and execution should be enough. But we also require decent outcomes accompanied by a positive narrative. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 14, 2023 7:22:15 GMT
I feel we’ve been waiting for a long time, but at last we’ve finally got someone running the football side of the business who knows what the job is. Of course Michael Appleton gets a say in the appointment of his coaching staff, he’s got to work with them after all, but no it’s not his call alone. Nor should it be. He’s not running the club and the players will need need a high quality coaching staff long after he’s gone. Talk might be cheap but to mix metaphors, so far Andy Scott has hit all the right notes in every single thing he’s said. If the execution of strategy gets even close to the intention we’re in very good shape. It might not be rocket science, but Scott’s role and influence is like nothing the club has seen before. At last. I’d almost given up. Scott has has two windows and two x seven week stints to execute the strategy. Within that 14 weeks he has decommissioned the Sandgaard/ Gallen squad from 12 months ago AND promoted Academy players as per the strategy AND dealt with a manager / head coach who went off piste in his absence. And yet all of the pressure is now on him and Atherton to deliver performances and results which place us back on track ASAP. Here's hoping we get the rub of the green throughout the next 15 games. That's to say we close the gap on the top six and enter the January window in good shape. It shouldn't be the case as strategy and execution should be enough. But we also require decent outcomes accompanied by a positive narrative. You realise we're playing football not Cricket right? (Second time you've mentioned Michael Atherton...)  |
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Post by zenga on Sept 14, 2023 8:21:32 GMT
zzzzzzzzzzzz ... Atherton ... zzzzzzzzzzzz You realise we're playing football not Cricket right? (Second time you've mentioned Michael Atherton...) Twice can't be a coincidence, it's clear where the money is! Atherton (California, United States) is known for its wealth; in 1990 and 2019, Atherton was ranked as having the highest per capita income among U.S. towns that have a population between 2,500 and 9,999, and the area covered by its zip code is regularly ranked as having the highest cost of living in the United States. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Sept 15, 2023 13:16:45 GMT
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Post by leedsaddick on Sept 15, 2023 13:59:20 GMT
Great spot… thanks for sharing… very interesting and balanced article |
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Post by valley on Sept 15, 2023 16:35:10 GMT
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 18, 2023 18:50:11 GMT
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Post by norfolkrobin on Sept 18, 2023 19:47:38 GMT
How could he not be aware that part of his remit (I imagine) is to develop youngsters to sell on? Here's hoping (dreaming more like) we can get amongst it for the next window and SE7 can spend a bit for ready made quality. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 18, 2023 23:31:11 GMT
How could he not be aware that part of his remit (I imagine) is to develop youngsters to sell on? Here's hoping (dreaming more like) we can get amongst it for the next window and SE7 can spend a bit for ready made quality. One or two might be sold for seven figure fees. But the main advantage has to be that they're cheap and their wages don't count towards SCMP. Fact is that as senior players come back from injury there will be less slots available for Academy graduates. If we continue with a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 can we see Kanu playing again now that we have May, Leaburn and Tedic? We shouldn't forget that the takeover didn't complete until late July. And that we had injuries in August plus four signings on deadline day. Many of us would love to see Anderson and Asiimwe make 20+ appearances this season and come back next August as better players. But Appleton, Scott and the SMT want us to keep climbing the table. Perhaps T. Watson becomes our first choice right back? Once again let's see how we go until end October. And see what they do in the January window to strengthen the squad. Academy lads can still be loaned out to Bromley or other national League sides. Time will tell. |
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Post by earlpurple on Sept 19, 2023 7:55:25 GMT
The important thing is to ensure that the head coach is able to do his job properly, and part of that also means not putting too much responsibility on him on aspects that can be done by others. There is a coaching team, there is a head coach, there is a head of recruitment, etc.
When a new member joins my team no doubt he is interviewed by my line manager but my line manager's primary job is managing those currently working in his team, ensuring we have the tools and skills we need to do our job, as well as what the current requirements actually are and ensuring who does what as well as how we need to work together to achieve this.
In my career, the jobs where I have performed worst was where the person I reported too kept changing, where it wasn't clear what was expected of me or I was just left to get on with it. Where I worked best, the team didn't change very much the whole time, we got to know each other well and where our strengths and weaknesses were and therefore who was best at doing what and who needed to help someone else out, and where the requirements were fairly clear and we were able to ensure we knew what we needed to do.
Football can work well that way and can achieve success. If I can say the biggest footballing shocks I have witnessed, Leicester City winning the league in 2015-16, Greece winning the Euros in 2004 and Bradford City getting to the League Cup Final in 2013, the last of those achieved with a manager who we had let go 2 years earlier.
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 19, 2023 9:56:18 GMT
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 20, 2023 11:40:00 GMT
The important thing is to ensure that the head coach is able to do his job properly, and part of that also means not putting too much responsibility on him on aspects that can be done by others. There is a coaching team, there is a head coach, there is a head of recruitment, etc. When a new member joins my team no doubt he is interviewed by my line manager but my line manager's primary job is managing those currently working in his team, ensuring we have the tools and skills we need to do our job, as well as what the current requirements actually are and ensuring who does what as well as how we need to work together to achieve this. In my career, the jobs where I have performed worst was where the person I reported too kept changing, where it wasn't clear what was expected of me or I was just left to get on with it. Where I worked best, the team didn't change very much the whole time, we got to know each other well and where our strengths and weaknesses were and therefore who was best at doing what and who needed to help someone else out, and where the requirements were fairly clear and we were able to ensure we knew what we needed to do. Football can work well that way and can achieve success. If I can say the biggest footballing shocks I have witnessed, Leicester City winning the league in 2015-16, Greece winning the Euros in 2004 and Bradford City getting to the League Cup Final in 2013, the last of those achieved with a manager who we had let go 2 years earlier. I'm sorry, who the Greece Manager that we let go in 2002? Curbishley was our manager until 2006, no? |
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