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Post by kings hill addick on May 9, 2023 13:54:13 GMT
I wish someone would give Clare another run in midfield. I think he can put in a tackle, carries the ball well, and can shoot. He reminds me of a poor man's Joe Aribo. I feel a bit sorry for him that he's been cosigned to do a job for us at right back, which isn't his natural position. He doesn't seem to put in many tackles at right back! |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 9, 2023 14:05:57 GMT
Naturally we need better players to join the club. In midfield Holden utilised Dobson and Fraser throughout. But Morgan, Payne and the rest not good enough to hold down a first team place in what was the tenth best side in the League. In defence at kast we have a settled, decent keeper and I would retain Clare, Hector and Inniss then add quality. Up front Leaburn and Campbell have surfaced from the Academy but Rak-Sakyi has gone, probably to the Championship. We absolutely require quality up front and that costs, or perhaps more gems from the Academy and/or more decent loans? What would you do with Clare SR? I don't think he thinks like a full back, isn't suitable as one of two centre halves and is clearly not fancied (by any of the managers we've had) in midfield. Is he a Curbishley type utility player in your mind? I'm not sure he is going to contribute much over a season for a side that is going to finish top six and I suspect that he is on decent wages. We signed him from Oxford for a fee and he, already, had two years on his contract where he was. Let Clare go with Morgan and Innis none are good enough to play in a promotion chasing league one side No manager of ours including Robbo at Oxford thought Clare was good enough to play midfield and they were right Ask yourself this question, would Clare, Morgan, Henry, Innis or Payne get into Plymouth or any of the top 6 sides in this division this year All this talk about hanging onto these squad type players…..NO…… get rid and bring in better players FFS |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 9, 2023 14:24:03 GMT
We looked wide open when a very poor Cheltenham side attacked us…..We need better players in the middle of the park to compliment Fraser who can put tackles in, track runners and take control of games and unfortunately Henry and Morgan don’t fall into that category …… I will say it again until I am really boring…. We need better players It's already boring (not you Auckland) because we all knew that we needed to bring in better players in the summer of 2021, and in January 2022, and the summer of 2022 and in January 2023. I can accept that some of our more average players might be ok as squad fillers but I would have to draw the line at Inniss and Morgan, with Henry going out on loan. Any more of the average players hanging around and there will not be enough places in the squad the the number of netter players we need - never mind the budget we are going to have to find. No offence taken KHA 😁and yes I can be a bit boring and repetitive but I get a bit bemused when our fan base talk about our players and resigning this one as a squad player….. WTF….. they are either good enough or they are are not look at the likes off Stockley, Kirk, DJ , Lavelle who left us earlier in the season…..some of these are not even getting a regular game for their new teams and some were allegedly our highest earners……fantastic work done by our present recruitment team We need new owners, a new professional recruitment in place ASAP if we are to be successful with our recruiting this summer Otherwise apologies but I will continue to be boring by stating the bleeding obvious, we need better players !! |
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Post by manikin on May 9, 2023 14:42:40 GMT
I wish someone would give Clare another run in midfield. I think he can put in a tackle, carries the ball well, and can shoot. He reminds me of a poor man's Joe Aribo. I feel a bit sorry for him that he's been cosigned to do a job for us at right back, which isn't his natural position. I sure you are right about Clare, he is a midfielder and we have used him as a utility player, he's better than that. Not too sure about his tackling on a regular basis, but there have been some great attacking midfielders in the past who can't tackle, to name but one Paul Scholes. Of course I'm not comparing the two, but I do feel we haven't exactly tapped into his talent, he has more to offer. |
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Post by jonkool on May 9, 2023 15:15:25 GMT
Otherwise apologies but I will continue to be boring by stating the bleeding obvious, we need better players !!
Auckland I agree 100% with your final paragraph I’ve pasted above.
If we are gearing up for top 6 so many including g Clare just don’t cut the mustard.
I remember Adkins picking a midfield of Clare Morgan and Dobson away at Oxford and our midfield was porous with only Dobo trying to make tackles. We have the ball away and one little or no battles with a lightweight Oxford midfield.
A whole new start as we did preseason of our 101 season!
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Post by aaronaldo on May 9, 2023 15:19:08 GMT
I'd only keep Clare if it enabled us to spend more in other areas. I.e. He could be a utility squad player/back up for a number of positions (at a push) which could allow more money spent on those positions for the first teamers. Rather than say having back ups for each position.
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Post by bigandy99 on May 9, 2023 15:28:02 GMT
Otherwise apologies but I will continue to be boring by stating the bleeding obvious, we need better players !! Auckland I agree 100% with your final paragraph I’ve pasted above. If we are gearing up for top 6 so many including g Clare just don’t cut the mustard. I remember Adkins picking a midfield of Clare Morgan and Dobson away at Oxford and our midfield was porous with only Dobo trying to make tackles. We have the ball away and one little or no battles with a lightweight Oxford midfield. A whole new start as we did preseason of our 101 season! And it took 101 points for Plymouth to win the League, JK.. so it’s a proper team/squad needed.. not much room for lightweights |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 9, 2023 15:34:33 GMT
Otherwise apologies but I will continue to be boring by stating the bleeding obvious, we need better players !! Auckland I agree 100% with your final paragraph I’ve pasted above. If we are gearing up for top 6 so many including g Clare just don’t cut the mustard. I remember Adkins picking a midfield of Clare Morgan and Dobson away at Oxford and our midfield was porous with only Dobo trying to make tackles. We have the ball away and one little or no battles with a lightweight Oxford midfield. A whole new start as we did preseason of our 101 season! And it took 101 points for Plymouth to win the League, JK.. so it’s a proper team/squad needed.. not much room for lightweights Absolutely Andy, none of these players currently going out of contract for us would get a game for the likes of Plymouth so why the bloody hell would we want to re sign them…..unless we have no money and our ambition is to head for another season of mediocrity There seems to be this obsession with trying to make out very average limited players of ours are suddenly going to turn into promotion chasing players…. Surely we’ve all watched the last 46 games of this mediocrity ….. You can’t polish a turd |
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Post by whynot on May 9, 2023 16:29:13 GMT
No one will come in and say here is a dump truck full of money and say go buy us 26 new players all pushing for the starting position. Even if we are lucky and we get a new owner with some money to spend we may at most get 7-8 new players so some of the players we have need to stay and Clare would be a good one for the bench as he can play in several positions. Rome was not built in a day and as we stand now we will need 2-3 transfer windows to get a squad pushing for an automatic place Like Ipswich did. I don't disagree with with we need better players, But I would put my money on a whole new starting 4 defense 2 wingers, and a least 2 forwards. The main reason for us sucking as badly as we did last season was that our defense had more holes than a secondhand tea bag.
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Post by reamsofverse on May 9, 2023 17:24:16 GMT
Retained list should be out tomorrow guys so we'll know what positions we are looking to bring players into based on who leaves.
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Post by bigandy99 on May 9, 2023 18:23:14 GMT
Retained list should be out tomorrow guys so we'll know what positions we are looking to bring players into based on who leaves. Albie out, hopefully… he’s had enough time! |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 9, 2023 18:39:55 GMT
Retained list should be out tomorrow guys so we'll know what positions we are looking to bring players into based on who leaves. Albie out, hopefully… he’s had enough time! I have a very bad feeling the same players who have been given plenty of chances to show how good they are and have come up short quality wise will all be given new deals……. Morgan Clare and Innis….. If this happens be prepared for yet another rinse and repeat summer recruitment process…. I laugh at all the talk of us signing May or Smith or Stockton…😁. When did we last go out with intent and sign a quality goal scoring forward? Our present recruitment team spent the summer and the winter transfer windows chasing Macauley Bonne…… let that sink in for a while before we start rainbow chasing about us signing quality players |
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Post by reamsofverse on May 9, 2023 20:08:26 GMT
Apparantly Hector, Henry, Morgan, Inniss and Clare have all been offered new deals. Apparently.
Bonne is off, Thomas not sure but it's the end of the road for Gilbey.
Guys, please forgive me,. I know you don't like me talking about Wrexham but I have to use them as a gauge here just as a one off.
I watched 14 of their home games last season so I think that just about qualifies me to judge and I can assure you that none of our retained players above would get anywhere near their squad and that is in L2 so once again if a take over doesn't happen very quickly we are going to have sub-standard footballers making up our squad next season.
If Holden actually rates these players then he too is part of the problem, not that I rate him as a manager anyway.
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Post by petetongthereturn on May 9, 2023 20:30:24 GMT
Apparantly Hector, Henry, Morgan, Inniss and Clare have all been offered new deals. Bonne is off, Thomas not sure but it's the end of the road for Gilbey. Guys, please forgive me,. I know you don't like me talking about Wrexham but I have to use them as a gauge here just as a one off. I watched 14 of their home games last season so I think that just about qualifies me to judge and I can assure you that none of our retained players above would get anywhere near their squad and that is in L2 so once again if a take over doesn't happen very quickly we are going to have sub-standard footballers making up our squad next season. If Holden actually rates these players then he too is part of the problem, not that I rate him as a manager anyway. That’s suggests to me that poor old Holden has hardly any funds to replace the mentioned players with better players. The only one I would keep is Hector. Who has just been alright. Sandgarrd has hoodwinked poor old Holden. Sad times. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 9, 2023 20:32:00 GMT
Apparently Hector, Henry, Morgan, Inniss and Clare have all been offered new deals. Bonne is off, Thomas not sure but it's the end of the road for Gilbey. Guys, please forgive me,. I know you don't like me talking about Wrexham but I have to use them as a gauge here just as a one off. I watched 14 of their home games last season so I think that just about qualifies me to judge and I can assure you that none of our retained players above would get anywhere near their squad and that is in L2 so once again if a take over doesn't happen very quickly we are going to have sub-standard footballers making up our squad next season. If Holden actually rates these players then he too is part of the problem, not that I rate him as a manager anyway. Spot on the money Reams Holden has seen that these players are inconsistent and not good enough quality wise to challenge in a promotion challenging side…. So we offer them another contract?? Well if Storrie was telling the truth about our budget being bigger than last year then we should be signing the likes of Connor Chaplin and Johnson Clarke Harris as our marquee signings as Morgan and co shouldn’t cost much ……. But I won’t be holding my breath about us signing marquee signings…. The usual marketing talk when season tickets are to be sold….. Can’t comment about these out of contract players being good enough for Wrexham as I haven’t seen them play much but I will say I have seen Elliot Lee and Eogan OConnell play and neither exactly pulled up trees in our bang average league one side and Lee couldn’t even get a kick in the end in our substandard midfield so maybe National league or league two is his standard, probably the same for OConnnell Having said that I think Mullin, Palmer and Tozer will be too good for league two…. . |
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Post by westwickhamaddick on May 9, 2023 20:49:13 GMT
If we have offered contracts to all of those then god help us. One of the worst defences in the league this season and we offer them all a new contract ffs!! I’m still wondering how we’re going to replace Rak Sakyi
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Post by wellingaddick on May 9, 2023 20:55:54 GMT
Apparantly Hector, Henry, Morgan, Inniss and Clare have all been offered new deals. Bonne is off, Thomas not sure but it's the end of the road for Gilbey. Guys, please forgive me,. I know you don't like me talking about Wrexham but I have to use them as a gauge here just as a one off. I watched 14 of their home games last season so I think that just about qualifies me to judge and I can assure you that none of our retained players above would get anywhere near their squad and that is in L2 so once again if a take over doesn't happen very quickly we are going to have sub-standard footballers making up our squad next season. If Holden actually rates these players then he too is part of the problem, not that I rate him as a manager anyway. That’s suggests to me that poor old Holden has hardly any funds to replace the mentioned players with better players. The only one I would keep is Hector. Who has just been alright. Sandgarrd has hoodwinked poor old Holden. Sad times. I guess Holden has had to prepare for the possibility that the takeover might not happen. But if it doesn't, then I can't see anything other than midtable mediocrity again, on the basis of this list. How much longer is it going to take for the club (in its present form) to realise that certain players are simply not good enough for Charlton to compete at the top end of this division? Of course, some of these players might not want to sign a new contract with Charlton, though them getting a better deal elsewhere might prove difficult, given their inconsistent performances this past season. |
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Post by eric on May 9, 2023 20:57:33 GMT
Apparantly Hector, Henry, Morgan, Inniss and Clare have all been offered new deals. Bonne is off, Thomas not sure but it's the end of the road for Gilbey. Guys, please forgive me,. I know you don't like me talking about Wrexham but I have to use them as a gauge here just as a one off. I watched 14 of their home games last season so I think that just about qualifies me to judge and I can assure you that none of our retained players above would get anywhere near their squad and that is in L2 so once again if a take over doesn't happen very quickly we are going to have sub-standard footballers making up our squad next season. If Holden actually rates these players then he too is part of the problem, not that I rate him as a manager anyway. Hector is decent but the others are league 2 standard. Doesn't look very promising. |
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Post by manikin on May 9, 2023 21:01:32 GMT
That’s suggests to me that poor old Holden has hardly any funds to replace the mentioned players with better players. The only one I would keep is Hector. Who has just been alright. Sandgarrd has hoodwinked poor old Holden. Sad times. I guess Holden has had to prepare for the possibility that the takeover might not happen. But if it doesn't, then I can't see anything other than midtable mediocrity again, on the basis of this list. How much longer is it going to take for the club (in its present form) to realise that certain players are simply not good enough for Charlton to compete at the top end of this division? Of course, some of these players might not want to sign a new contract with Charlton, though them getting a better deal elsewhere might prove difficult, given their inconsistent performances this past season. If the takeover doesn't happen or happen soon enough, then without a sensible budget for players we are only going one way and that ain't up. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on May 9, 2023 21:07:46 GMT
If we have offered contracts to all of those then god help us. One of the worst defences in the league this season and we offer them all a new contract ffs!! I’m still wondering how we’re going to replace Rak Sakyi Until JF hopefully takes the reins,we'll be rooting around in bargin bins. As average as we've been,would you trust MS and SG to source better? I wouldn't! We'll do well to attract another loan to try and fill the Rak Sakyi void,because as it stands we ain't going to splash out to replace his goals/assists. |
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Post by lewisham on May 9, 2023 21:16:52 GMT
I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, but can people use people's names and not just their initials. It's only a few more letters. It does my nut in!
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Post by jonkool on May 9, 2023 21:21:34 GMT
Retained list should be out tomorrow guys so we'll know what positions we are looking to bring players into based on who leaves. Albie out, hopefully… he’s had enough time! More than enough time for the show pony! |
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Post by seriouslyred on May 9, 2023 22:57:29 GMT
Apparantly Hector, Henry, Morgan, Inniss and Clare have all been offered new deals. Apparently. Bonne is off, Thomas not sure but it's the end of the road for Gilbey. Guys, please forgive me,. I know you don't like me talking about Wrexham but I have to use them as a gauge here just as a one off. I watched 14 of their home games last season so I think that just about qualifies me to judge and I can assure you that none of our retained players above would get anywhere near their squad and that is in L2 so once again if a take over doesn't happen very quickly we are going to have sub-standard footballers making up our squad next season. If Holden actually rates these players then he too is part of the problem, not that I rate him as a manager anyway. Typically a manager will use around 16 players for most of the time. Gilbey and Bonne obviously gone. Many will question the retention of Morgan seeing as Payne has another year - as most agree we need better in midfield. What I would say is that Clare, Inniss and Hector can all play at this level but perhaps not so frequently as we saw last time. It will take time to secure promotion - probably two seasons under new owners. There's a limit to how many new players might be acquired and assimilated. But Holden must be given every chance to deliver 80 points next time - enough for a run at the playoffs. If we secure quality additions, improve the sports science and training / fitness then there's no reason why we shouldn't look forwards to the January window. Retaining Clare, Inniss and Hector doesn't get in the way. But if we retain Morgan, watch Hector leave and fail to replace Rak-Sakyi plus introduce real quality then we know how this plays out, don't we? PS no problem talking about Wrexham but they're approaching their first campaign in the EFL for 15 years with a solid structure, squad and very impressive commercial operation / social media presence. I wouldn’t presume to comment upon their squad until seeing them play AND seeing their results over 10-15 games. |
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Post by revilo on May 10, 2023 10:47:20 GMT
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Post by cafcfan32 on May 10, 2023 12:13:20 GMT
I have no Issues with Micheal Hector. Proven at Championship level and above with Fulham. Think he is the standard we must aim for this summer.
As for Morgan and Henry…no words.
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Post by eric on May 10, 2023 12:31:20 GMT
I have no Issues with Micheal Hector. Proven at Championship level and above with Fulham. Think he is the standard we must aim for this summer. As for Morgan and Henry…no words. Fucking useless are two words I can think of . |
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Post by valleyfaithful on May 10, 2023 12:53:22 GMT
I dont really follow the unders but Gavin always seemed to pop up with goals. I wonder who else is in our striker pipeline. |
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Post by cafcscp on May 11, 2023 13:51:20 GMT
Apparantly Hector, Henry, Morgan, Inniss and Clare have all been offered new deals. Apparently. Bonne is off, Thomas not sure but it's the end of the road for Gilbey. Guys, please forgive me,. I know you don't like me talking about Wrexham but I have to use them as a gauge here just as a one off. I watched 14 of their home games last season so I think that just about qualifies me to judge and I can assure you that none of our retained players above would get anywhere near their squad and that is in L2 so once again if a take over doesn't happen very quickly we are going to have sub-standard footballers making up our squad next season. If Holden actually rates these players then he too is part of the problem, not that I rate him as a manager anyway. Hector is fine to keep as a starter Innis and Clare as bench boys. I’m ok, but Albie is unfortunately a no go in my book. |
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Post by petetongthereturn on May 11, 2023 20:29:51 GMT
Nick Powell released from Stoke anyone ??
Holden would know him.
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Post by revilo on May 11, 2023 20:38:41 GMT
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