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Post by seriouslyred on Jun 10, 2023 9:49:04 GMT
They seem to have done what Sandgaard kept talking about - bringing in much more Commerical revenue. Having said that the two actors are as famous as Sandgaard things he is and wants to be. It is a little bit of a dream come true for Wrexham. They, clearly, chose the right club, at the right time. Getting too big too soon though KHA. They have a 10000 stadium that will be 15500 by this time next year. They have sold 7000 S/T's so have another 7k or 8k wanting 3000 tickets. Perfect scaling / timing! Sold out this season as they take a crack at League Two with perhaps a top six budget? Plus time to grow the social media and online sales - imagine Wrexham TV revenues at £10 per game across North American fanbase! Nobody can guarantee success, just as we can't with SE7 Partners. But it will be interesting to see where both clubs are at the end of September. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 10, 2023 10:10:37 GMT
They have a championship budget mate. Just had brand new floodlights that are ECL level.
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Post by Professor Glum on Jun 10, 2023 10:24:49 GMT
Reams, any idea if we can sign players on contracts before the takeover goes through?
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Post by bexleyboy on Jun 10, 2023 10:39:58 GMT
Reams, any idea if we can sign players on contracts before the takeover goes through? Yes we can cause TS still owns the club |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 10, 2023 11:31:17 GMT
Reams, any idea if we can sign players on contracts before the takeover goes through? We can't sign anyone until the window opens on June 14th but after that date yes we can, however it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Dean has been made aware of what his budget will be post takeover compared to what it currently is while TS still owns the club even though as Peter Storrie has said, it's been increased this year. Dean's targets may have altered slighty as a result, IF he has been made aware that he might have more money to spend. I think the buyers have a totally different philosophy on any dealings that are going to occur. For example I have already said a couple of weeks ago that they are going to be looking at 6-7 players to come in and make a difference. These will be names that are capable of playing for a top six L1 club while there may be a championship player or two thrown in. What we are going to see is a whole different approach to our summer business and a refreshing one at that. There is a type of player they want to sign and I think whoever comes in will be a big step up on what we are used to. I know the group want to avoid L1 journeymen who's careers are on the way back down and just see playing football on a Saturday afternoon as a 'job'. Another no-no on their part will be players with a history of soft tissue injuries, I think we have had our fair share of them! I think we will focus on technically-able young players who are still hungry to make it to the top. Scott Banks is a very good example of this, Owen Moxon the same. I do feel that the buyers also want to give youth a chance and I can see them being careful not to overload players in certain positions so they don't block the path of our youngsters coming through. That said if the investors want promotion within two years the youngsters can't be hurried meaning that Dean will want to add players in the short term who are ready made and who will grow with us over the next 1-2 seasons. I think these will be carefully hand selected and of an age where we can take them to the Championship with us or will still be of an age where we can let go if we feel they won't be able to make the step up. In other words we are no longer going to bring in players that we are going to get lumbered with because of the length of contract they are on. That means no more signing 30 year old's as gap fillers who rarely play but can't move on because nobody wants them. I think the whole point of one of those groups who are possibly going to become a shareholder as part of the takeover, is to accelerate our younger players, especially the U21's. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jun 10, 2023 11:56:36 GMT
Reams, any idea if we can sign players on contracts before the takeover goes through? We can't sign anyone until the window opens on June 14th but after that date yes we can, however it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Dean has been made aware of what his budget will be post takeover compared to what it currently is while TS still owns the club even though as Peter Storrie has said, it's been increased this year. Dean's targets may have altered slighty as a result, IF he has been made aware that he might have more money to spend. I think the buyers have a totally different philosophy on any dealings that are going to occur. For example I have already said a couple of weeks ago that they are going to be looking at 6-7 players to come in and make a difference. These will be names that are capable of playing for a top six club while there may be a chamopinship player or two thrown in. What we are going to see is a whole different approach to our summer business and a refreshing one at that. There is a type of player we should be signing and I think that who comes in will be a big step up on what we are used to. I know the group want to avoid L1 journeymen who's careers are on the way back down and just see playing football on a Saturday afternoon as a 'job'. Another no-no will be players with a history of soft tissue injuries, I think we have had our fair share of them! I believe we will focus on technically-able young players who are still hungry to make it to the top. Scott Banks is a very good example of this, Owen Moxon the same. I do feel that the buyers also want to give youth a chance and I can see them being careful on overloading players in certain positions so they don't block the path of our youngsters coming through. That said if the investors want promotion within two years the youngsters can't be hurried meaning that Dean will want to add players in the short term who are ready made and who will grow with us over the next 1-2 seasons. I think these will be carefully hand selected and of an age where we can take them to the Championship with us or will still be of an age where we can let go if we feel they won't be able to make the step up. We are not going to be signing 30 year old's as gap fillers that's for sure because as I said above youth will get it's chance and won't be impeded by senior faces who aren't playing regularly. I think the whole point of one of those groups who are possibly going to become a shareholder as part of the takeover, is to accelerate our younger players, especially the U21's. This seems, so sensible after the ridiculous decisions, that we have become accustomed to. Refreshing to say the least. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jun 10, 2023 12:45:21 GMT
They have a championship budget mate. Just had brand new floodlights that are ECL level. Ground improvement expenditure is one thing, player wages is another and what kind of budget they have for the latter is going to be affected by many factors. Wrexham lost £3m in 2021-22 (Rob & Ryan's first full year as owners) even after a £4m loan from the owners. Obviously we won't have the figures for 2022-23 until next year but presumably commercial income (sponsorship deals, global fan purchases, etc) has increased. You'd hope so, since such a combination of loan and loss would be the road to a points deductions for failing FFP in the EFL. Remember that there are no financial restrictions at all in the National League, whereas there are loads in League Two. Most specifically, (i) a maximum of 55% of turnover can be spent on player wages, and (ii) loans from the owners don't count as turnover. They can spend/lose whatever they like on transfer fees, but that wages cap is fixed and will affect who they can attract, as will the maximum squad size of 22 - they had a squad of 35 in the NL, by way of comparison. Given its current capacity, income from the Racecourse Ground itself would be towards the top end of League 2 level. Raising player budgets beyond that will rely on (i) selling stuff like matchday streams and replica shirts to the new overseas fanbase, and (ii) getting sponsorship deals at much higher than usual L2 levels, which given their profile will presumably happen (as the United Airlines deal surely suggests). Media fees are also included in turnover, but these might not be as big as some might expect. Obviously all L2 clubs get a set chunk of Sky money per year, but you'd assume with their high profile Wrexham would rake in more? Not really... Under the terms of Sky's current EFL deal (the bigger new one doesn't start until the 2024-25 season) Wrexham can feature in a maximum of FOUR televised L2 season games in the UK, way less than were shown on BT Sport in their recent NL season. Sky pay the home team £30k and away team £10k. Assuming two of each that's £80k which works out (55%/52) as an extra £846 per week IN TOTAL for player wages! Obviously there will be overseas broadcasts too, but as these generally relay the Sky footage that's still only four games a season. As for the Apple TV+ documentary series, they will be paying Wrexham a facility/location fee, but this is unlikely to be more than say £150k for the season (not ITK re the show but I'm a TV producer). So basically, Wrexham's budget for players depends entirely on how many people pay for their equivalent of Charlton TV and to what extent they can leverage their (and their owners') profile for above average sponsorship deals. I personally don't think this will give them a Championship wages budget. If I was to hazard a guess, I reckon Wrexham will have a top half of L1 type budget this season. Perhaps not too dissimilar to Charlton's. I guess we'll see based on both parties' transfer dealings and (to get back on the topic of the thread) Alfie May might provide an early indication either way. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 10, 2023 12:48:34 GMT
Reams, any idea if we can sign players on contracts before the takeover goes through? We can't sign anyone until the window opens on June 14th but after that date yes we can, however it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Dean has been made aware of what his budget will be post takeover compared to what it currently is while TS still owns the club even though as Peter Storrie has said, it's been increased this year. Dean's targets may have altered slighty as a result, IF he has been made aware that he might have more money to spend. I think the buyers have a totally different philosophy on any dealings that are going to occur. For example I have already said a couple of weeks ago that they are going to be looking at 6-7 players to come in and make a difference. These will be names that are capable of playing for a top six L1 club while there may be a championship player or two thrown in. What we are going to see is a whole different approach to our summer business and a refreshing one at that. There is a type of player they want to sign and I think whoever comes in will be a big step up on what we are used to. I know the group want to avoid L1 journeymen who's careers are on the way back down and just see playing football on a Saturday afternoon as a 'job'. Another no-no on their part will be players with a history of soft tissue injuries, I think we have had our fair share of them! I think we will focus on technically-able young players who are still hungry to make it to the top. Scott Banks is a very good example of this, Owen Moxon the same. I do feel that the buyers also want to give youth a chance and I can see them being careful not to overload players in certain positions so they don't block the path of our youngsters coming through. That said if the investors want promotion within two years the youngsters can't be hurried meaning that Dean will want to add players in the short term who are ready made and who will grow with us over the next 1-2 seasons. I think these will be carefully hand selected and of an age where we can take them to the Championship with us or will still be of an age where we can let go if we feel they won't be able to make the step up. In other words we are no longer going to bring in players that we are going to get lumbered with because of the length of contract they are on. That means no more signing 30 year old's as gap fillers who rarely play but can't move on because nobody wants them. I think the whole point of one of those groups who are possibly going to become a shareholder as part of the takeover, is to accelerate our younger players, especially the U21's. This is really refreshing to hear after the last few years of our recruitment strategy I have said for ages we need to go out with intent and nail our targets ASAP….. something which I think we have failed to do previously All this previous talk of getting quality bargains on transfer deadline day was absolute nonsense as all the best quality had been scooped up way before this time by team challenging for promotion whilst we languished with the Fleetwoods and Lincoln’s |
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Post by manikin on Jun 10, 2023 13:00:31 GMT
It would be great for a change if the bulk of our signings are actually done early enough so they are available for most of the pre season friendlies.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 10, 2023 13:13:03 GMT
It would be great for a change if the bulk of our signings are actually done early enough so they are available for most of the pre season friendlies. Too true mate and another must is the players we recruit must be fit enough to play twice a week, whereas we previously signed players that weren’t capable meaning we were constantly rotating the side whilst promotion chasing sides were playing their full strength sides week in week out…. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 10, 2023 13:18:06 GMT
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Post by valleydobson1 on Jun 10, 2023 13:27:45 GMT
The best outside the championship?. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 10, 2023 13:35:26 GMT
The best outside the championship?. Well their fans certainly rate him which is always a good guide….. remember when Forest fans were warning us about Harry Arter saying his legs had gone 😁 |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 10, 2023 14:00:31 GMT
Looks a very good around sweeper/keeper to me with one hell of a pass on him!
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Post by jonkool on Jun 10, 2023 14:09:22 GMT
Reams, any idea if we can sign players on contracts before the takeover goes through? We can't sign anyone until the window opens on June 14th but after that date yes we can, however it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Dean has been made aware of what his budget will be post takeover compared to what it currently is while TS still owns the club even though as Peter Storrie has said, it's been increased this year. Dean's targets may have altered slighty as a result, IF he has been made aware that he might have more money to spend. I think the buyers have a totally different philosophy on any dealings that are going to occur. For example I have already said a couple of weeks ago that they are going to be looking at 6-7 players to come in and make a difference. These will be names that are capable of playing for a top six L1 club while there may be a championship player or two thrown in. What we are going to see is a whole different approach to our summer business and a refreshing one at that. There is a type of player they want to sign and I think whoever comes in will be a big step up on what we are used to. I know the group want to avoid L1 journeymen who's careers are on the way back down and just see playing football on a Saturday afternoon as a 'job'. Another no-no on their part will be players with a history of soft tissue injuries, I think we have had our fair share of them! I think we will focus on technically-able young players who are still hungry to make it to the top. Scott Banks is a very good example of this, Owen Moxon the same. I do feel that the buyers also want to give youth a chance and I can see them being careful not to overload players in certain positions so they don't block the path of our youngsters coming through. That said if the investors want promotion within two years the youngsters can't be hurried meaning that Dean will want to add players in the short term who are ready made and who will grow with us over the next 1-2 seasons. I think these will be carefully hand selected and of an age where we can take them to the Championship with us or will still be of an age where we can let go if we feel they won't be able to make the step up. In other words we are no longer going to bring in players that we are going to get lumbered with because of the length of contract they are on. That means no more signing 30 year old's as gap fillers who rarely play but can't move on because nobody wants them. I think the whole point of one of those groups who are possibly going to become a shareholder as part of the takeover, is to accelerate our younger players, especially the U21's. All makes sense Reams. The new owners have one (or two) choices. In order to bridge the gap between tier 2 kids football they can seriously upgrade Academy to meet tier 1 requirements or/and create an in-house relationship for our kids to be farmed out to a European tier two club which allows them to compete with men and not with other kids. Ideally both options working in tandem would be the solution and the involvement with a group with European exposure makes sense. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jun 10, 2023 14:20:27 GMT
The best outside the championship?. Well their fans certainly rate him which is always a good guide….. remember when Forest fans were warning us about Harry Arter saying his legs had gone 😁 I dont think, he brought his legs with him. |
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Post by manikin on Jun 10, 2023 14:33:29 GMT
Looks a very good around sweeper/keeper to me with one hell of a pass on him! We could certainly do with some of that! |
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Post by valleysun on Jun 10, 2023 20:43:27 GMT
Hearing dack again would be quality if true
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 10, 2023 20:46:39 GMT
Hearing dack again would be quality if true Dack, May and Banks would look be a huge show of intent if signed |
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Post by charltonandrew78 on Jun 10, 2023 21:58:56 GMT
Luther James-Wildin, done deal.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 10, 2023 22:32:01 GMT
Luther James-Wildin, done deal. Not heard that one myself but that doesn't mean to say there's nothing in it. Would be a good solid signing if true and with Clare gone I would imagine it's one of the early bird positions we are looking to fill. As for Dack, I have had that from multiple sources that he is joining us, however none of those are the new investors and given they want to 'avoid signing players with a history of soft tissue injuries' I'm not quite sure where he fits into that unless of course TS is going to see out his habit of signing injury prone players. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 10, 2023 22:38:21 GMT
Hearing dack again would be quality if true Dack, May and Banks would look be a huge show of intent if signed I'm not too fussed about Dack. I have told CM that we need to look at Banks, Moxon, Ruben Rodrigues at Notts County along with a cheeky loan enquiry for Jay Stansfield and an even bigger one to bring Bielik back. The player I want most of all though is Bristol Rovers striker Aaron Collins. 16 goals and 1 asists last season earned him the L1 player of the year title. Two of those names are on this chart and I mentioned Sam Hoskins in the week too. Imagine what damage we could cause withMay, Collins and Hoskins in the side given between them they were involved in 50% of their club's goals last season. Add Banks and Moxon to that and we are rocking. That said we need three defenders too. |
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Post by vaangard on Jun 10, 2023 22:58:51 GMT
Hearing dack again would be quality if true Shortarse nearly 30, two ACLs, 8 goals in 52 over last 3 seasons. Dropping a division and mucho dinero. No Ta. We don't want crocks or small, tricky players with one decent season under their belts at our or a lower level. We need physical athletic players who will let big CBs know they have a game on, and create space for Miles, TC and ANO. |
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Post by shazza on Jun 11, 2023 6:41:56 GMT
some exciting players bring linked. Dack is an interesting one. I would have thought he'd be beyond our reach in terms of salary. but if a gamble with his injury, but if fit he is a very high ability player. it would be a bit of a marquee signing and a statement of intent I think. I'm sure he'll have many championship options though including millwall
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Post by Tom1982 on Jun 11, 2023 8:07:28 GMT
Dack, May and Banks would look be a huge show of intent if signed I'm not too fussed about Dack. I have told CM that we need to look at Banks, Moxon, Ruben Rodrigues at Notts County along with a cheeky loan enquiry for Jay Stansfield and an even bigger one to bring Bielik back. The player I want most of all though is Bristol Rovers striker Aaron Collins. 16 goals and 1 asists last season earned him the L1 player of the year title. Two of those names are on this chart and I mentioned Sam Hoskins in the week too. Imagine what damage we could cause withMay, Collins and Hoskins in the side given between them they were involved in 50% of their club's goals last season. Add Banks and Moxon to that and we are rocking. That said we need three defenders too. You reckon this is the sort of pond we are fishing in now!? Sounds promising! 8 weeks and counting, can’t wait. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jun 11, 2023 8:23:58 GMT
Luther James-Wildin, done deal. Presume lovely Alex, put in a good word.😜 |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jun 11, 2023 9:02:11 GMT
Woolacot to Bristol City .. another rumour to add to the mix
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Post by jacksalescafc on Jun 11, 2023 9:16:08 GMT
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Post by westwickhamaddick on Jun 11, 2023 9:17:02 GMT
Dack is one of those that will be a crock for his whole contract or he’ll be the best player in the division . Personally would spend
the money on a younger more energetic midfielder.
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Post by jacksalescafc on Jun 11, 2023 9:27:28 GMT
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