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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 12:02:58 GMT
It’s absolutely scandalous if we lose this lad for £200,000 in January. Sums up just how wrong the priorities were this Summer. Steve Avory must be livid. As we found out with Defoe there nothing you can do if the player agent /player holds out for the money move …. We offered 4 year deal not a lot more we can do .. TS wants to get the academy back up to cat A so this stealing of young players by the big clubs can’t happen Steve Avory won’t be livid as unlike you he understands how these academy work and the unfair rules allowing these teams to poach the best young players at little expense I admit that I haven’t got the 40 years of experience of football management that you have claimed. It’s good to have a contemporary of Sir Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough posting on ITTV. However, I would suggest that Steve Avory doesn’t get much job satisfaction out of pumping 3-4 years of work into a promising player like Elewere, only to end up with David Moyes getting the benefit. Keeping Deji can’t be an issue of resources, not when we are spunking so much money on the likes of Schwartz, JFC and Inniss. This is where a club requires a CEO with some knowledge of football - someone who can see the bigger picture, and challenge these absurdities. Peter Varney explained the situation with the internal allocation of budgets very well last week. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 12:05:53 GMT
I think the reality is that not all clubs can keep all players they wish to…
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 7, 2021 12:22:15 GMT
It’s absolutely scandalous if we lose this lad for £200,000 in January. Sums up just how wrong the priorities were this Summer. Steve Avory must be livid. As we found out with Defoe there nothing you can do if the player agent /player holds out for the money move …. We offered 4 year deal not a lot more we can do .. TS wants to get the academy back up to cat A so this stealing of young players by the big clubs can’t happen Steve Avory won’t be livid as unlike you he understands how these academy work and the unfair rules allowing these teams to poach the best young players at little expense I struggle to understand how you can say that Avory won’t get frustrated when his best talent gets poached at little expense…..have you had this conversation with him…?? His job is to develop talent so that we can maximise the return on this, can we honestly say that this has happened over the last few years…..Doughty couldn’t wait to turn down a contract extension get on his toes up to the Potteries to get splinters in his arse through bench warming….as he chased the money…… Also please excuse my ignorance here but what difference will it be to have a Cat A academy…..we are still a league one side developing young talented players for Premier clubs to come in take them from us and make millions from such as Konsa, Gomez etc…..Are the rules different then being a Cat A academy….. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 7, 2021 12:38:39 GMT
I think the reality is that not all clubs can keep all players they wish to… Definitely, this is a fact of football life……however some clubs make more money than others….. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 12:54:17 GMT
I think the reality is that not all clubs can keep all players they wish to… Definitely, this is a fact of football life……however some clubs make more money than others….. My point being I won’t criticise the owner if the lad goes. Some will stay some will go. Why wouldn’t the lad want to train and play with better players? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 7, 2021 13:05:28 GMT
Definitely, this is a fact of football life……however some clubs make more money than others….. My point being I won’t criticise the owner if the lad goes. Some will stay some will go. Why wouldn’t the lad want to train and play with better players? I don’t dispute what you are saying mate and I also am not criticising the owner on this………but I just feel we are being used as a development stepping stone for young talented players to get some first team action before they jump ship very quickly for the short term riches……Plenty have gone as you say and the clubs these players have joined have made some serious sell on money on the back of the fantastic work that Avory and his team has done……but how many have stayed and shown loyalty to Avory by signing a contract and continuing his development at CAFC……only Gomez springs to mind but I might be wrong……...plenty of others have stayed agreed but they generally end up plying their trade at clubs like Colchester or Gillingham…. I have yet to get an answer from anyone who can convince me that all this is worthwhile…..if they do I will hold my hands up…..but until then…..🤔🤔……Hey if Deji signs a 4 year contract that will go some way to allay my concerns about the whole process but TBH I am not holding my breath on this…. |
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Post by thevalleybest on Oct 7, 2021 13:12:51 GMT
We should sell him too Newcastle instead.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 7, 2021 13:15:52 GMT
We should sell him too Newcastle instead. But could they afford him now…….😂😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 7, 2021 13:35:40 GMT
As we found out with Defoe there nothing you can do if the player agent /player holds out for the money move …. We offered 4 year deal not a lot more we can do .. TS wants to get the academy back up to cat A so this stealing of young players by the big clubs can’t happen Steve Avory won’t be livid as unlike you he understands how these academy work and the unfair rules allowing these teams to poach the best young players at little expense I admit that I haven’t got the 40 years of experience of football management that you have claimed. It’s good to have a contemporary of Sir Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough posting on ITTV. However, I would suggest that Steve Avory doesn’t get much job satisfaction out of pumping 3-4 years of work into a promising player like Elewere, only to end up with David Moyes getting the benefit. Keeping Deji can’t be an issue of resources, not when we are spunking so much money on the likes of Schwartz, JFC and Inniss. This is where a club requires a CEO with some knowledge of football - someone who can see the bigger picture, and challenge these absurdities. Peter Varney explained the situation with the internal allocation of budgets very well last week. I'm not sure you fully understand what happened with Defoe, Palmer and now Elerewe. It really doesn't matter what the budget is nor what Varney has to say on the matter but playing the nostalgia card suits some people's agenda. The fact of the matter is that before their 17th birthday we can't sign a player to a binding contract with full on compensation and possible sanctions for another club. A top youngster escaping to sign for an EPL club happens about once every five years. However what we see every week is that the usual suspects come out with some stick or other to beat the club. The solutions on offer are to either give up on the Academy (as per Brentford), keep working with a production line which is one of the top 10 in the country or try even harder / invest even more with the highest category of academy. The real solution is to secure promotion and ensure that the best Academy lads sign a second contract at competitive wages instead of demanding a move for £1-3M - the real value is in selling 23 year olds at the peak of their career again as per Brentford. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 7, 2021 13:47:46 GMT
Unlike Brentford, our academy has netted us an average £5M a year in player sales since 2014. Haven’t tried to work it out, but I’d be very surprised if that’s true. I don’t think it’s true even if you include Lookman who wasn’t a product of our academy. Brentford’s model would allow them to sign players like Pope, Aribo and Lookman, but would preclude the likes of Gomez, Konsa, Phillips and Doughty. I was counting any player who joined us from age 10-17 as an academy product even if they were nabbed from elsewhere at say 15 or 16. I'm not sure the exact age Lookman joined us but not 10 and not 19. The point being that he first played for our U18s before breaking into the first team. The other point I highlighted is that unlike Brentford, we have been spectacularly unsuccessful at adding, then realising value from players acquired. Only Gudmundsson secured a profit for CAFC and that was because he was enticed into signing a much better contract halfway through his initial stint. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 13:49:40 GMT
I admit that I haven’t got the 40 years of experience of football management that you have claimed. It’s good to have a contemporary of Sir Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough posting on ITTV. However, I would suggest that Steve Avory doesn’t get much job satisfaction out of pumping 3-4 years of work into a promising player like Elewere, only to end up with David Moyes getting the benefit. Keeping Deji can’t be an issue of resources, not when we are spunking so much money on the likes of Schwartz, JFC and Inniss. This is where a club requires a CEO with some knowledge of football - someone who can see the bigger picture, and challenge these absurdities. Peter Varney explained the situation with the internal allocation of budgets very well last week. I'm not sure you fully understand what happened with Defoe, Palmer and now Elerewe. It really doesn't matter what the budget is nor what Varney has to say on the matter but playing the nostalgia card suits some people's agenda. The fact of the matter is that before their 17th birthday we can't sign a player to a binding contract with full on compensation and possible sanctions for another club. A top youngster escaping to sign for an EPL club happens about once every five years. However what we see every week is that the usual suspects come out with some stick or other to beat the club. The solutions on offer are to either give up on the Academy (as per Brentford), keep working with a production line which is one of the top 10 in the country or try even harder / invest even more with the highest category of academy. The real solution is to secure promotion and ensure that the best Academy lads sign a second contract at competitive wages instead of demanding a move for £1-3M - the real value is in selling 23 year olds at the peak of their career again as per Brentford. Elewere was born on 18 September 2003. This owner has therefore had plenty of time to sign him up to a respectable, long term contract. Some fans continue to feel grateful that TS, in your words “keeps the lights on” …the vast majority however are questioning the competence of his decision making. |
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Post by Mundell on Oct 7, 2021 13:58:49 GMT
It’s absolutely scandalous if we lose this lad for £200,000 in January. Sums up just how wrong the priorities were this Summer. Steve Avory must be livid. As we found out with Defoe there nothing you can do if the player agent /player holds out for the money move …. We offered 4 year deal not a lot more we can do .. TS wants to get the academy back up to cat A so this stealing of young players by the big clubs can’t happen Steve Avory won’t be livid as unlike you he understands how these academy work and the unfair rules allowing these teams to poach the best young players at little expense I agree there’s not much we can do if the player doesn’t want to commit. For all we know though, they’re still negotiating. Almost certainly Elerewe will want some kind of a release clause. We’ll want that release clause to be as high as possible and to include a sell on. He’ll want the reverse, obviously. If he believes West Ham will offer him a contract in January it’s likely to be game over. Unfortunately, I don’t think having a Cat 1 academy helps in this situation. It wouldn’t stop bigger clubs pinching our players. The only real solution is to be playing higher up the pyramid and, hence, to be able to offer the player a better playing experience. This will be another lesson for Sandgaard in the real world of football ownership. It’s easy to criticise those who went before (Duchatelet, Gomez et al), but it turns out it’s not so easy after all. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 7, 2021 14:12:06 GMT
I'm not sure you fully understand what happened with Defoe, Palmer and now Elerewe. It really doesn't matter what the budget is nor what Varney has to say on the matter but playing the nostalgia card suits some people's agenda. The fact of the matter is that before their 17th birthday we can't sign a player to a binding contract with full on compensation and possible sanctions for another club. A top youngster escaping to sign for an EPL club happens about once every five years. However what we see every week is that the usual suspects come out with some stick or other to beat the club. The solutions on offer are to either give up on the Academy (as per Brentford), keep working with a production line which is one of the top 10 in the country or try even harder / invest even more with the highest category of academy. The real solution is to secure promotion and ensure that the best Academy lads sign a second contract at competitive wages instead of demanding a move for £1-3M - the real value is in selling 23 year olds at the peak of their career again as per Brentford. Elewere was born on 18 September 2003. This owner has therefore had plenty of time to sign him up to a respectable, long term contract. Some fans continue to feel grateful that TS, in your words “keeps the lights on” …the vast majority however are questioning the competence of his decision making. Once again a lack of comprehension of the situation - CAFC can lead Elerewe, his parents and his agent to a contract but they can't make him sign. Mundell has spelt out above that if West Ham or another EPL club offer a deal then it's game over. Are we aware that the likes of Cullen, Gallagher and others are on £500K as 17 year olds, perhaps closer to £1M in some cases? For CAFC it's all about possibilities and managing uncertainties. The vast majority of Academy graduates who are good enough end up signing, perhaps for £2-3K per week. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 14:20:44 GMT
My point being I won’t criticise the owner if the lad goes. Some will stay some will go. Why wouldn’t the lad want to train and play with better players? I don’t dispute what you are saying mate and I also am not criticising the owner on this………but I just feel we are being used as a development stepping stone for young talented players to get some first team action before they jump ship very quickly for the short term riches……Plenty have gone as you say and the clubs these players have joined have made some serious sell on money on the back of the fantastic work that Avory and his team has done……but how many have stayed and shown loyalty to Avory by signing a contract and continuing his development at CAFC……only Gomez springs to mind but I might be wrong……...plenty of others have stayed agreed but they generally end up plying their trade at clubs like Colchester or Gillingham…. I have yet to get an answer from anyone who can convince me that all this is worthwhile…..if they do I will hold my hands up…..but until then…..🤔🤔……Hey if Deji signs a 4 year contract that will go some way to allay my concerns about the whole process but TBH I am not holding my breath on this…. A fair response. I can’t articulate the financial benefits of having an academy. It just feels the right thing to do is to have one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 14:25:33 GMT
Elewere was born on 18 September 2003. This owner has therefore had plenty of time to sign him up to a respectable, long term contract. Some fans continue to feel grateful that TS, in your words “keeps the lights on” …the vast majority however are questioning the competence of his decision making. Once again a lack of comprehension of the situation - CAFC can lead Elerewe, his parents and his agent to a contract but they can't make him sign. Mundell has spelt out above that if West Ham or another EPL club offer a deal then it's game over. Are we aware that the likes of Cullen, Gallagher and others are on £500K as 17 year olds, perhaps closer to £1M in some cases? For CAFC it's all about possibilities and managing uncertainties. The vast majority of Academy graduates who are good enough end up signing, perhaps for £2-3K per week. There’s a risk of this thread resembling a remake of the Reichenbach Falls, so I’ll leave it at this. Elewere wouldn’t have been on West Ham’s radar 6-9 months ago. We didn’t have a CEO at the time (still don’t) and you would imagine that Steve Avory was feeding up the line what a talent he is. No club is going to offer Deji £500k a year ….another straw man. |
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Post by mersthamred on Oct 7, 2021 19:49:51 GMT
It’s absolutely scandalous if we lose this lad for £200,000 in January. Sums up just how wrong the priorities were this Summer. Steve Avory must be livid. As we found out with Defoe there nothing you can do if the player agent /player holds out for the money move …. We offered 4 year deal not a lot more we can do .. TS wants to get the academy back up to cat A so this stealing of young players by the big clubs can’t happen Steve Avory won’t be livid as unlike you he understands how these academy work and the unfair rules allowing these teams to poach the best young players at little expense It was clear after a couple of games that Deji is the real deal and ideally we should have taken him out of the limelight then. Charlie Barker is another who found L1 no real problem (I know he made one bad error). Other players who were equally and immediately at ease in the 1st team were Joe Gomez and Jonjo and look at their careers . Actually, CBT is another obviously good player - I hope we don't lose him too! |
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Post by madz on Oct 8, 2021 8:14:43 GMT
As we found out with Defoe there nothing you can do if the player agent /player holds out for the money move …. We offered 4 year deal not a lot more we can do .. TS wants to get the academy back up to cat A so this stealing of young players by the big clubs can’t happen Steve Avory won’t be livid as unlike you he understands how these academy work and the unfair rules allowing these teams to poach the best young players at little expense It was clear after a couple of games that Deji is the real deal and ideally we should have taken him out of the limelight then. Charlie Barker is another who found L1 no real problem (I know he made one bad error). Other players who were equally and immediately at ease in the 1st team were Joe Gomez and Jonjo and look at their careers . Actually, CBT is another obviously good player - I hope we don't lose him too! I really hope we extend CBTs contract. He looks a good player and hit the ground running (literally) with the right attitude. I will be gutted to lose Elerewe to anyone as he does look a good prospect, especially to West Ham after the whole Defoe thing. Funny you speak to West Ham fans and they say "well we get our players poached by Chelsea", then you know you should leave ours alone. Unfortunately it happens. But if Elerewe is refusing to sign a contract, and to be honest i haven't seen any comments other than fans speculation to date to suggest that is the case unless i have missed a quote from Adkins or Sandgaard, then there is little we can do. I do agree with some though that if he isn't willing to sign and looking to leave in Jan then he shouldn't be playing in the first team anymore unless we have a lot of injuries. Would his heart be in it when we really need every player giving his all right now and would he put his body on the line as a defender and risk getting injured and put in jeopardy going to a Prem team. Truth be told I don't begrudge him going to a Prem team if the offer is there. I can still be gutted about it and happy for the guy at the same time. If it was a Championship team then i would have more of an issue, but that is major opportunity that doesn't get offered to many players. But like any player if his head is turned then he shouldn't be playing for us. This can't be compared to the Taylor thing as his head was turned by just speculation, he didn't have any offers when he refused to play for us, he just didn't want to play just in case. Elerewe hasn't refused to play to my knowledge, i'm just highlighting its different to Taylor in case someone says "you didn't feel the same about Taylor". With youth players though its very hard to see who will make it and who is worth signing to a long term contract before they have even played a first team match. When you are a Prem club you have more money so you can afford to gamble on contracts and higher wages. We can't. It doesn't matter if its Sandgaard in charge or anyone else at this level (unless we had a billionaire owner then money is no object), you can't give £2-3k a week contracts out to everyone. My mate knows someone whose boy has been signed to Chelsea as a youngster and he is immediately getting £5k a week and he is unlikely to be anywhere near the first team for years.... that's just mental. You can't offer every player a long term pro contract just in case, but they should be made to sign some form of contract that allows us a decent compensation for development costs + additionals if they are poached by a higher league club. We need our coaches to be better at identifying the ones who are really worth keeping. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 8, 2021 11:31:58 GMT
The Academy and owning the Valley & Training ground are the reasons why we still have a club Unlike Brentford, our academy has netted us an average £5M a year in player sales since 2014. There will always be the occasional kid who is poached. Aside from Gudmundsson is there anybody else have we bought and sold for a profit? Our problem for years has been player acquisition and retention of the talent. If we had got that right back in 2019 we might still be in the Championship. 5 million a year for the last 7 years - Would you be able to give us a breakdown (in transfers) of where these figures have come from? I am not having a dig here in anyway…….just interested to know mate I am still keen to know the details of all the transfers that have netted us an average 5 million a season over the last 7 seasons from players that have come through our academy and been sold by us ………..I must have missed something here because I wouldn’t be doubting the importance of the academy if we have sold 35 million worth of our young talent over the last 7 years…..? |
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Post by tonaddick on Oct 8, 2021 12:20:21 GMT
5 million a year for the last 7 years - Would you be able to give us a breakdown (in transfers) of where these figures have come from? I am not having a dig here in anyway…….just interested to know mate I am still keen to know the details of all the transfers that have netted us an average 5 million a season over the last 7 seasons from players that have come through our academy and been sold by us ………..I must have missed something here because I wouldn’t be doubting the importance of the academy if we have sold 35 million worth of our young talent over the last 7 years…..? If you include Pope and Lookman - one who was at Ipswich and one who was still playing Tandridge League at under 16s, then it’s probably not far off £25m with add ons. The big unknown is what we’ll get when Pope leaves Burnley. Lookman was £11.5m. Gomez is over £5m with add ons. Doughty, Pope and Konsa were all 7 figures. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 8, 2021 12:37:28 GMT
I am still keen to know the details of all the transfers that have netted us an average 5 million a season over the last 7 seasons from players that have come through our academy and been sold by us ………..I must have missed something here because I wouldn’t be doubting the importance of the academy if we have sold 35 million worth of our young talent over the last 7 years…..? If you include Pope and Lookman - one who was at Ipswich and one who was still playing Tandridge League at under 16s, then it’s probably not far off £25m with add ons. The big unknown is what we’ll get when Pope leaves Burnley. Lookman was £11.5m. Gomez is over £5m with add ons. Doughty, Pope and Konsa were all 7 figures. Thanks mate, I didn’t think Pope came through the academy, didn’t he come in from Bury Town when he was 19…?……Lookman 11 million, Gomez 6 million Konsa 2.5 million and Doughty 750,000………I think that would make up the majority which is around 20 million…….have I missed any glaring omissions…….? |
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Post by willett on Oct 8, 2021 12:44:16 GMT
From what I’ve heard:
Deji & His agent we’re definitely planning to sign a long contract with us at the very start of the season.
However, they have since become unhappy at how he has been managed this season.
He has not made the squad altogether on a number of occasions and hasn’t been given many chances in league games despite the fact that we’ve been shopping goals for fun and are in the relegation zone.
Why would he want to stay when he’s not playing?
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Post by cafcjack83 on Oct 8, 2021 12:51:13 GMT
From what I’ve heard: Deji & His agent we’re definitely planning to sign a long contract with us at the very start of the season. However, they have since become unhappy at how he has been managed this season. He has not made the squad altogether on a number of occasions and hasn’t been given many chances in league games despite the fact that we’ve been shopping goals for fun and are in the relegation zone. Why would he want to stay when he’s not playing? Not doubting this but who's the source? |
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Post by willett on Oct 8, 2021 13:01:35 GMT
From what I’ve heard: Deji & His agent we’re definitely planning to sign a long contract with us at the very start of the season. However, they have since become unhappy at how he has been managed this season. He has not made the squad altogether on a number of occasions and hasn’t been given many chances in league games despite the fact that we’ve been shopping goals for fun and are in the relegation zone. Why would he want to stay when he’s not playing? Not doubting this but who's the source? Just what I heard from other fans at the Bolton match so could be a load of rubbish but sounds possible. |
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Post by Mundell on Oct 8, 2021 13:40:11 GMT
If you include Pope and Lookman - one who was at Ipswich and one who was still playing Tandridge League at under 16s, then it’s probably not far off £25m with add ons. The big unknown is what we’ll get when Pope leaves Burnley. Lookman was £11.5m. Gomez is over £5m with add ons. Doughty, Pope and Konsa were all 7 figures. Thanks mate, I didn’t think Pope came through the academy, didn’t he come in from Bury Town when he was 19…?……Lookman 11 million, Gomez 6 million Konsa 2.5 million and Doughty 750,000………I think that would make up the majority which is around 20 million…….have I missed any glaring omissions…….? I posted a fairly detailed breakdown of the financials during the Duchatelet era a while back, but I can’t find it, unfortunately. I’ll take another look, but it may be that I posted it so long ago it’s no longer available. In the meantime, my recollection is that we’d received £38m in transfer fees while Duchatelet was owner, but that seems like a lot even though it includes significant add ons, including for players like Jonjo Shelvey, for example. To answer your question, you’ve missed Fox, Holmes-Dennis, Grant, Phillips, Harriott, Poyet, Cousins, Dijksteel, Lapslie and perhaps some others too. I think we got fees for all of these. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 8, 2021 14:01:26 GMT
Thanks mate, I didn’t think Pope came through the academy, didn’t he come in from Bury Town when he was 19…?……Lookman 11 million, Gomez 6 million Konsa 2.5 million and Doughty 750,000………I think that would make up the majority which is around 20 million…….have I missed any glaring omissions…….? I posted a fairly detailed breakdown of the financials during the Duchatelet era a while back, but I can’t find it, unfortunately. I’ll take another look, but it may be that I posted it so long ago it’s no longer available. In the meantime, my recollection is that we’d received £38m in transfer fees while Duchatelet was owner, but that seems like a lot even though it includes significant add ons, including for players like Jonjo Shelvey, for example. To answer your question, you’ve missed Fox, Holmes-Dennis, Grant, Phillips, Harriott, Poyet, Cousins, Dijksteel, Lapslie and perhaps some others too. I think we got fees for all of these. Thanks Mundell, yes you can easily forget these went for fees, although there is plenty of quality in there the biggest fee I think was for Dijksteel which was 2 million….. I suppose my biggest disappointment over the last seven years is the fact that academy players have left us for under their true value…..for example Grant went for 1.7 million from us and was sold on by Huddersfield 18 months later for 17 million…….😳…… |
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 8, 2021 14:11:50 GMT
I posted a fairly detailed breakdown of the financials during the Duchatelet era a while back, but I can’t find it, unfortunately. I’ll take another look, but it may be that I posted it so long ago it’s no longer available. In the meantime, my recollection is that we’d received £38m in transfer fees while Duchatelet was owner, but that seems like a lot even though it includes significant add ons, including for players like Jonjo Shelvey, for example. To answer your question, you’ve missed Fox, Holmes-Dennis, Grant, Phillips, Harriott, Poyet, Cousins, Dijksteel, Lapslie and perhaps some others too. I think we got fees for all of these. Thanks Mundell, yes you can easily forget these went for fees, although there is plenty of quality in there the biggest fee I think was for Dijksteel which was 2 million….. I suppose my biggest disappointment over the last seven years is the fact that academy players have left us for under their true value…..for example Grant went for 1.7 million from us and was sold on by Huddersfield 18 months later for 17 million…….😳…… Agree with your last sentence. That's definitely the issue here. There's not many clubs who can say no to offers if they reach a certain figure. The issue for us was that we always seem to find out our players were good when they had less than a year on their contract or we just seemed to accept whatever anyone offered. It's going to take a while I think to get into a position where we have everyone we want on long contracts. Grant was a big disappointment for me as he always had lots of potential, but only really started showing it in his final year of his contract. Why we didn't have him on a longer contract I'll never know. I think we can guess why though. Deji has developed very quickly for me. I've not heard of him much before this season. It's annoying we haven't got him on a longer contract though as he looks to be a prospect. |
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Post by Mundell on Oct 8, 2021 14:20:11 GMT
I posted a fairly detailed breakdown of the financials during the Duchatelet era a while back, but I can’t find it, unfortunately. I’ll take another look, but it may be that I posted it so long ago it’s no longer available. In the meantime, my recollection is that we’d received £38m in transfer fees while Duchatelet was owner, but that seems like a lot even though it includes significant add ons, including for players like Jonjo Shelvey, for example. To answer your question, you’ve missed Fox, Holmes-Dennis, Grant, Phillips, Harriott, Poyet, Cousins, Dijksteel, Lapslie and perhaps some others too. I think we got fees for all of these. Thanks Mundell, yes you can easily forget these went for fees, although there is plenty of quality in there the biggest fee I think was for Dijksteel which was 2 million….. I suppose my biggest disappointment over the last seven years is the fact that academy players have left us for under their true value…..for example Grant went for 1.7 million from us and was sold on by Huddersfield 18 months later for 17 million…….😳…… I think it’s very difficult for a side in League One to get paid very big money when selling a player - Lookman was an exception. The key, it seems to me, is to structure sales effectively in order to benefit from add ons if the player is successful. These add ons can relate to appearances, championships won, international caps and sell on fees. We’ve used all of these I believe. These add ons can keep working over long periods and so are not easy to keep track of. The most extreme example I’m aware of is Craig Dawson. Rochdale sold him to West Brom in August 2010 and I’m led to believe they’ve just received yet another payment!! According to the latest CAFC accounts we’re potentially due another £1.5m for players previously sold. That compares to £5m the previous season, but excludes sell-on fees. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Oct 15, 2021 8:43:38 GMT
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 15, 2021 11:05:07 GMT
Not doubting this but who's the source? Just what I heard from other fans at the Bolton match so could be a load of rubbish but sounds possible. Load of rubbish ..then |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 4, 2021 15:32:20 GMT
Get in!!
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