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Post by thevalleybest on Aug 28, 2021 21:23:03 GMT
Not seen that since Joe Gomez.
This lovey lad has had a superb 2021.
What I love about him, he has it all at 17. Today I saw 2 blocks directly where he had learnt from his mistake at Reading. He stood up, didn't fall for the trick.
Starting this thread now, because this lad is our top top youth prospect.
A boy amongst men with the world at his feet.
Rolls Royce defender in the making
Already better than Akin lol. Them 2 together, what a lovely prospect.
Go Super Eagles. Over the bar into the goal
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Post by tonaddick on Aug 28, 2021 21:24:01 GMT
Good to see he’s recovered from the Wimbledon game where he was schooled by their under 23 striker. Looks like there is a player there but needs to develop a bit more physically before he starts more regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 21:28:18 GMT
Good to see he’s recovered from the Wimbledon game where he was schooled by their under 23 striker. Looks like there is a player there but needs to develop a bit more physically before he starts more regularly. See im thinking he needs more development on mental than physical. Knowing when to stand and when to dive in I didn't see that game in full. Was the striker decent? All I'm seeing is oddles of Pace and absolute smash in the 50/50s. I saw Joe Gomez doing that at same age It's exciting seeing this lad come on and give it his absolute all. |
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Post by twostroke on Aug 28, 2021 21:31:19 GMT
I expect he'll be sold then ...........................
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Post by tonaddick on Aug 28, 2021 21:32:51 GMT
Good to see he’s recovered from the Wimbledon game where he was schooled by their under 23 striker. Looks like there is a player there but needs to develop a bit more physically before he starts more regularly. See im thinking he needs more development on mental than physical. Knowing when to stand and when to dive in I didn't see that game in full. Was the striker decent? All I'm seeing is oddles of Pace and absolute smash in the 50/50s. I saw Joe Gomez doing that at same age It's exciting seeing this lad come on and give it his absolute all. He was big and powerful and could control a ball. He made Deji look like a kid playing adults football. His positioning was poor and he got rolled a lot. Also went walkabout a few times. A few bits where he looked intelligent on the ball but nothing like Gomez or Konsa did when they broke into the first team. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 21:38:26 GMT
See im thinking he needs more development on mental than physical. Knowing when to stand and when to dive in I didn't see that game in full. Was the striker decent? All I'm seeing is oddles of Pace and absolute smash in the 50/50s. I saw Joe Gomez doing that at same age It's exciting seeing this lad come on and give it his absolute all. He was big and powerful and could control a ball. He made Deji look like a kid playing adults football. His positioning was poor and he got rolled a lot. Also went walkabout a few times. A few bits where he looked intelligent on the ball but nothing like Gomez or Konsa did when they broke into the first team. Cheers. Getting rolled I've seen from Deji and is an absolute no no from a CB. VVD hasn't been rolled since birth and that was his mum that did it 😂 I'd like to see more from DE and I hope you would too. BTW, Ezri Konsa was absolute pony his first few games IMHO |
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Post by divot on Aug 29, 2021 6:11:22 GMT
First time I'd seen Deji yesterday and I was very impressed. He took no time to settle and his first pass was accurate and forward thinking. I then watched his positional play (I sit in line with a decent line for the back-four) and he was excellent....knowing exactly when to drop off or to push up. He cleared the box a few times, which showed me that he's not just about nice passes. Yes, he's a bit skinny at the moment but not all defenders need massive bulk. He'll fill out enough with time but hopefully won't sacrifice pace/mobility in doing so.
Wouldn't it be good to see a Deji/Barker centre-back combination in the future?
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Post by mersthamred on Aug 29, 2021 7:53:22 GMT
If he carries on like this he will get poached for peanuts. Better to not play him until a good contract is sorted out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 8:50:06 GMT
First time I'd seen Deji yesterday and I was very impressed. He took no time to settle and his first pass was accurate and forward thinking. I then watched his positional play (I sit in line with a decent line for the back-four) and he was excellent....knowing exactly when to drop off or to push up. He cleared the box a few times, which showed me that he's not just about nice passes. Yes, he's a bit skinny at the moment but not all defenders need massive bulk. He'll fill out enough with time but hopefully won't sacrifice pace/mobility in doing so. Wouldn't it be good to see a Deji/Barker centre-back combination in the future? Agree with this. All of the raw attributes are there, but he needs to bulk up to avoid being bullied. I am sure he will. Look at the size of Mason Mount since last season - he’s spent a lot of time since the Euros in the gym (source - BBC). |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 29, 2021 8:59:47 GMT
First time I'd seen Deji yesterday and I was very impressed. He took no time to settle and his first pass was accurate and forward thinking. I then watched his positional play (I sit in line with a decent line for the back-four) and he was excellent....knowing exactly when to drop off or to push up. He cleared the box a few times, which showed me that he's not just about nice passes. Yes, he's a bit skinny at the moment but not all defenders need massive bulk. He'll fill out enough with time but hopefully won't sacrifice pace/mobility in doing so. Wouldn't it be good to see a Deji/Barker centre-back combination in the future? Agree with this. All of the raw attributes are there, but he needs to bulk up to avoid being bullied. I am sure he will. Look at the size of Mason Mount since last season - he’s spent a lot of time since the Euros in the gym (source - BBC). Very impressed with what I have seen of this lad…..reminds me of a young Rufus…… |
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 29, 2021 10:13:27 GMT
Not seen that since Joe Gomez. This lovey lad has had a superb 2021. What I love about him, he has it all at 17. Today I saw 2 blocks directly where he had learnt from his mistake at Reading. He stood up, didn't fall for the trick. Starting this thread now, because this lad is our top top youth prospect. A boy amongst men with the world at his feet. Rolls Royce defender in the making Already better than Akin lol. Them 2 together, what a lovely prospect. Go Super Eagles. Over the bar into the goal Posted on another thread yesterday that this fella, Inniss and Famewo have played virtually all of the minutes at centre back this season. If that continues then that's one massive headache from last season resolved. Inniss appears good for 50-55 minutes so Elerewe plays the rest until he's ready to start. We came 7th on goal difference last season and presented a series of problems: consistency, injuries, poor management, invisible midfield. Perhaps these are being solved bit by bit? Let's revisit end September. |
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Post by observer on Aug 29, 2021 13:37:13 GMT
I remember seeing Richard Rufus being bullied very early in his career by a centre forward from Ipswhich, name escapes me after all these years.
A good player will learn from hard experience as Rufus did.
It seems that trhis lad needs more exposure but has the potential to make it.
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Post by vaangard on Aug 29, 2021 14:47:57 GMT
I think Barker is Steve Brown Mark II. Groomed as FB now unless he grows but decent in the middle. Interestingly I don't think either him or Elewere are our best U18 CB. Seydil Touré, recovering from a year out injured. Look on YouTube at the NI Super Cup 2019. At 15yo I think he could have dealt with Stockley.
Also shouts for Ladapo and Kanu up front, who I believe may not yet have signed pro deals, having lots of interest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 19:49:02 GMT
First time I'd seen Deji yesterday and I was very impressed. He took no time to settle and his first pass was accurate and forward thinking. I then watched his positional play (I sit in line with a decent line for the back-four) and he was excellent....knowing exactly when to drop off or to push up. He cleared the box a few times, which showed me that he's not just about nice passes. Yes, he's a bit skinny at the moment but not all defenders need massive bulk. He'll fill out enough with time but hopefully won't sacrifice pace/mobility in doing so. Wouldn't it be good to see a Deji/Barker centre-back combination in the future? Lovely post divot. As u say, don't need to be stocky if you have the pace and balance. I never saw Ricky Rufus dominated by any striker other than Henry. Deji reminds me of a young Rufus, the lad simply loves to stick his leg in and win the ball. |
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Post by oldred on Aug 29, 2021 20:53:02 GMT
I wonder if the emergence of the young Deji, will see the recruitment team revise their priorities to more urgent positions.
Whatever happens, they won’t need telling that they need to get him signed up quick on a decent long term contract, befits too late…..again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 6:08:28 GMT
Not sure how true the rumours are, but according to normally reliable Charlton fans on Twitter, Deji has turned down a contract with the club.
It looks like we could be facing another self inflicted gaffe where a highly talented Academy product is allowed to leave for a tiny development fee as soon as January.
Just thinking aloud, what is to stop the Club offering the lad say £5,000 a week and a four/ five year deal ?
He would be earning good money far beyond most 17-18 year olds, and would have the chance to benefit from continuing his development at CAFC. And the club would have the security of securing a highly prized and coveted asset.
I hope those around Deji including his parents & agent are not just seeing pound signs in their eyes, and are looking at the boy’s best in interests long term.
Football & Charlton is littered with recent examples of players who made the wrong choice like this.
The Club seems on the face of it to have been very lackadaisical in getting Deji signed up to a long term deal.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 24, 2021 7:17:58 GMT
Not sure how true the rumours are, but according to normally reliable Charlton fans on Twitter, Deji has turned down a contract with the club. It looks like we could be facing another self inflicted gaffe where a highly talented Academy product is allowed to leave for a tiny development fee as soon as January. Just thinking aloud, what is to stop the Club offering the lad say £5,000 a week and a four/ five year deal ? He would be earning good money far beyond most 17-18 year olds, and would have the chance to benefit from continuing his development at CAFC. And the club would have the security of securing a highly prized and coveted asset. I hope those around Deji including his parents & agent are not just seeing pound signs in their eyes, and are looking at the boy’s best in interests long term. Football & Charlton is littered with recent examples of players who made the wrong choice like this. The Club seems on the face of it to have been very lackadaisical in getting Deji signed up to a long term deal. I think the challenge here is that the player may want control over his own destiny. If I was advising him I’d being saying sign a contract by all means, but you must insist on a release clause. The question then is the trade off between the fee agreed for release (the lower the better for him) and the pay and the term of the contract (the lower the fee for release the less attractive the contract offer will be). The irony in this situation is that the only card the club has to play to prevent the player seeing himself as a defacto free agent is the risk he’ll get injured or won’t develop. The more concerned the player is about this, the more likely he is to sign a long-term deal, but if the player does fail to develop such a contract then becomes a millstone for the club. It’s not an easy situation, especially if the player is confident and well advised. The club was heavily criticised for the sale of Joe Gomez, but with hindsight they probably did quite well with the £3.5m release clause and multiple add ons. A further challenge obviously is deciding just how good Deji is. He’s obviously got potential, but I suspect he may not be in the Gomez or Konsa league. Just my perspective. |
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Post by tonaddick on Sept 24, 2021 7:31:23 GMT
Not sure how true the rumours are, but according to normally reliable Charlton fans on Twitter, Deji has turned down a contract with the club. It looks like we could be facing another self inflicted gaffe where a highly talented Academy product is allowed to leave for a tiny development fee as soon as January. Just thinking aloud, what is to stop the Club offering the lad say £5,000 a week and a four/ five year deal ? He would be earning good money far beyond most 17-18 year olds, and would have the chance to benefit from continuing his development at CAFC. And the club would have the security of securing a highly prized and coveted asset. I hope those around Deji including his parents & agent are not just seeing pound signs in their eyes, and are looking at the boy’s best in interests long term. Football & Charlton is littered with recent examples of players who made the wrong choice like this. The Club seems on the face of it to have been very lackadaisical in getting Deji signed up to a long term deal. I think the challenge here is that the player may want control over his own destiny. If I was advising him I’d being saying sign a contract by all means, but you must insist on a release clause. The question then is the trade off between the fee agreed for release (the lower the better for him) and the pay and the term of the contract (the lower the fee for release the less attractive the contract offer will be). The irony in this situation is that the only card the club has to play to prevent the player seeing himself as a defacto free agent is the risk he’ll get injured or won’t develop. The more concerned the player is about this, the more likely he is to sign a long-term deal, but if the player does fail to develop such a contract then becomes a millstone for the club. It’s not an easy situation, especially if the player is confident and well advised. The club was heavily criticised for the sale of Joe Gomez, but with hindsight they probably did quite well with the £3.5m release clause and multiple add ons. A further challenge obviously is deciding just how good Deji is. He’s obviously got potential, but I suspect he may not be in the Gomez or Konsa league. Just my perspective. I agree. From what little we've seen in competitive games Elerewe is definitely still a work in progress. The question is whether he wants to cash in now and go and play in an EPL development side with potentially significantly higher wages than we can afford, or stay and develop with our under 23s with a decent release clause after he's played some more first team football. However, if he is really ambitious, I can't see him staying here. Of course, there is always the option that his advisor is testing the water to see how high they can push us to get the best possible outcome for the player. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 24, 2021 8:51:13 GMT
You do wonder why we actually have an academy when our top talents that Avory & co have developed leave at the first opportunity and chase the fame and money……Doughty couldn’t wait to get off on his toes and he can’t get a game now at Stoke……If Deji doesn’t sign a contract then you know he will be away as soon as he can…..The whole process makes no sense to me, can someone please explain the benefits to us as we seem to have our pants pulled down time and time again by losing our best young talent for peanuts……
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Post by Mundell on Sept 24, 2021 9:23:16 GMT
You do wonder why we actually have an academy when our top talents that Avory & co have developed leave at the first opportunity and chase the fame and money……Doughty couldn’t wait to get off on his toes and he can’t get a game now at Stoke……If Deji doesn’t sign a contract then you know he will be away as soon as he can…..The whole process makes no sense to me, can someone please explain the benefits to us as we seem to have our pants pulled down time and time again by losing our best young talent for peanuts…… I think this is a very good question. It’s generally believed that the academy is a major asset for the club, but without access to the financials it’s hard to know for sure if it delivers a high enough return to justify its existence. It’s interesting that Brentford closed their academy a few years back because the club’s owner felt it made no sense to run one. Given who that owner is and how innovative and brilliant his management of Brentford has been, it’s reasonable to assume that this was a highly analytical and logical judgment. However, I guess we might argue that we are in a rich catchment area and that the academy is well established with a reputation for providing a pathway to first team football. This may well differentiate us from Brentford and justify the expense, but I suspect the ‘business case’ isn’t a slam dunk. That said, I like the idea we run an academy and have ambitions for category one. I’m happy to continue with Valley Gold membership. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 24, 2021 9:38:40 GMT
You do wonder why we actually have an academy when our top talents that Avory & co have developed leave at the first opportunity and chase the fame and money……Doughty couldn’t wait to get off on his toes and he can’t get a game now at Stoke……If Deji doesn’t sign a contract then you know he will be away as soon as he can…..The whole process makes no sense to me, can someone please explain the benefits to us as we seem to have our pants pulled down time and time again by losing our best young talent for peanuts…… Bottom line is that top talent wants to be in the Championship at the earliest opportunity earning very good money, playing in half decent teams and developing. As well as in the shop window for an even bigger move to a play-off side or even direct into the EPL. Was talking to somebody the other day and a bog standard player now commands a £1m fee. Decent Championship players go for £3M with a life changing contract of at least £1M a year. Why would any talent stay at Charlton when we are knocking on the trap door to the 4th division? Seven years ago when people were spitting their dummies out over Powell getting the boot, they made the enormous leap to suggest that Duchatelet was destroying the club. 2020 and 2021 have seen real decline to a level never before experienced, well not in our lifetimes. And with that we may see the £5M a year transfer revenue go into decline as 15 year olds in SE London make different choices? |
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Post by 995632 on Sept 24, 2021 9:43:17 GMT
Not sure how true the rumours are, but according to normally reliable Charlton fans on Twitter, Deji has turned down a contract with the club. It looks like we could be facing another self inflicted gaffe where a highly talented Academy product is allowed to leave for a tiny development fee as soon as January. Just thinking aloud, what is to stop the Club offering the lad say £5,000 a week and a four/ five year deal ? He would be earning good money far beyond most 17-18 year olds, and would have the chance to benefit from continuing his development at CAFC. And the club would have the security of securing a highly prized and coveted asset. I hope those around Deji including his parents & agent are not just seeing pound signs in their eyes, and are looking at the boy’s best in interests long term. Football & Charlton is littered with recent examples of players who made the wrong choice like this. The Club seems on the face of it to have been very lackadaisical in getting Deji signed up to a long term deal. Not quite sure it is "another self inflicted gaffe where a highly talented Academy product is allowed to leave for a tiny development fee as soon as January." I don't think we can offer him a pro contract yet. "Just thinking aloud, what is to stop the Club offering the lad say £5,000 a week and a four/ five year deal ?" 5k a week is possibly more than double the league average, £1.3 million over the life of the contract. Big risk for a player showing potential - injury, loss of form and lack of progression could severely hamper that development and mean we're stuck with a player. People were up in and about Lewis Page being paid when he was injured so much, could be a similar case with Deji (really hope not!). Unfortunately, not getting Category 1 Status for the academy is always going to harm us, Prem clubs can come in and hoover up any young player that shows a flicker of promise and we are not in much of a position to stop them or the agents from sowing the seeds of making the player a squillionaire by moving away from 'little old Charlton'. Didn't someone say his agent was the same one as Karlan Grant's or Joe Aribo's? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 9:43:18 GMT
Some valid points made here, but nobody has answered the question as to why Sandgaard / CAFC can’t make Elewere a “life changing offer”, or at least one commensurate with his promise.
£5,000 a week and staggered loyalty payments in a 4 year contract would surely get him to sign.
That’s over £1m.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 9:44:47 GMT
995632I agree about the Cat 1 status - Roddy spoke at length about this at the CAST meeting. Sandgaard clearly sees that as the Golden Ticket in terms of his ownership model for the club.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 24, 2021 10:40:31 GMT
Thanks for your comments guys, but no one has really explained to me the benefits of having an academy if our best talent can walk away at the drop of a hat and we don’t financially benefit from it…..The way I see we do all the development work and another team reaps the benefit and and the future millions in transfer income from those players
Or am I missing the point big time? please excuse my ignorance if I am….I am just struggling to see the benefit of developing good young players for other clubs to make money from
Maybe Brentford do a have point in dismantling their academy…their model certainly hasn’t hindered them…..
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 24, 2021 11:52:21 GMT
Thanks for your comments guys, but no one has really explained to me the benefits of having an academy if our best talent can walk away at the drop of a hat and we don’t financially benefit from it…..The way I see we do all the development work and another team reaps the benefit and and the future millions in transfer income from those players Or am I missing the point big time? please excuse my ignorance if I am….I am just struggling to see the benefit of developing good young players for other clubs to make money from Maybe Brentford do a have point in dismantling their academy…their model certainly hasn’t hindered them….. The reality is that the really good players will go early. Some of the others will hang around for a while - playing games and potentially earning us a transfer fee. As the top sides have so much money and we are, currently, as shit as we have ever been, this problem is going to be worse. On the plus side, chances are that many of our youth players will look good in League Two, and none of the big clubs will want them so we could end up fielding lots of youth players next season. Every cloud has a silver lining! 😂 |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 24, 2021 11:54:01 GMT
Some valid points made here, but nobody has answered the question as to why Sandgaard / CAFC can’t make Elewere a “life changing offer”, or at least one commensurate with his promise. £5,000 a week and staggered loyalty payments in a 4 year contract would surely get him to sign. That’s over £1m. It might get him to sign, but if his level is lower League One then it would be a disaster if we had to pay him £1m to sit in our reserves, or we try to palm him off to anyone that will pay a small fraction of his wages. |
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Post by paperboy on Sept 24, 2021 12:09:04 GMT
You do wonder why we actually have an academy when our top talents that Avory & co have developed leave at the first opportunity and chase the fame and money……Doughty couldn’t wait to get off on his toes and he can’t get a game now at Stoke……If Deji doesn’t sign a contract then you know he will be away as soon as he can…..The whole process makes no sense to me, can someone please explain the benefits to us as we seem to have our pants pulled down time and time again by losing our best young talent for peanuts…… Bottom line is that top talent wants to be in the Championship at the earliest opportunity earning very good money, playing in half decent teams and developing. As well as in the shop window for an even bigger move to a play-off side or even direct into the EPL. Was talking to somebody the other day and a bog standard player now commands a £1m fee. Decent Championship players go for £3M with a life changing contract of at least £1M a year. Why would any talent stay at Charlton when we are knocking on the trap door to the 4th division? Seven years ago when people were spitting their dummies out over Powell getting the boot, they made the enormous leap to suggest that Duchatelet was destroying the club. 2020 and 2021 have seen real decline to a level never before experienced, well not in our lifetimes. And with that we may see the £5M a year transfer revenue go into decline as 15 year olds in SE London make different choices? Spot on SR, we would have more chance of our talented youngsters signing contracts if we were a Championship team. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 24, 2021 12:17:29 GMT
Bottom line is that top talent wants to be in the Championship at the earliest opportunity earning very good money, playing in half decent teams and developing. As well as in the shop window for an even bigger move to a play-off side or even direct into the EPL. Was talking to somebody the other day and a bog standard player now commands a £1m fee. Decent Championship players go for £3M with a life changing contract of at least £1M a year. Why would any talent stay at Charlton when we are knocking on the trap door to the 4th division? Seven years ago when people were spitting their dummies out over Powell getting the boot, they made the enormous leap to suggest that Duchatelet was destroying the club. 2020 and 2021 have seen real decline to a level never before experienced, well not in our lifetimes. And with that we may see the £5M a year transfer revenue go into decline as 15 year olds in SE London make different choices? Spot on SR, we would have more chance of our talented youngsters signing contracts if we were a Championship team. Ok….so I say again what’s the bloody point in it…….😳😳 |
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Post by 995632 on Sept 24, 2021 13:14:48 GMT
995632I agree about the Cat 1 status - Roddy spoke at length about this at the CAST meeting. Sandgaard clearly sees that as the Golden Ticket in terms of his ownership model for the club. It would be, we would be one of the few Category 1 clubs in League 1/Championship with a proven record of Academy players progressing to the first team. It would protect the club from having decent talent stolen for a pittance. The final piece is unscrupulous agents which we really can't do much about. |
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