Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 9:24:52 GMT
It's not in support of the Belgian, its ignoring all the crap we know nothing about, and just getting on with supporting the team and management, whilst enjoying the football being played. Its so easy to gamble when it isnt your money. I've got a sure thing in the 4.10 at york if someone wants to give me a score? But it was our money ? Many of us bought shares in the club at the behest of Richard Murray...who’s many errors then saw those shares reduced to nothing. Just one of the many reasons why Murray should leave Charlton at the same time as Duchatelet.
|
|
|
Post by cafc2002 on Aug 24, 2019 9:29:18 GMT
Its so easy to gamble when it isnt your money. I've got a sure thing in the 4.10 at york if someone wants to give me a score? But it was our money ? Many of us bought shares in the club at the behest of Richard Murray...who’s many errors then saw those shares reduced to nothing. Just one of the many reasons why Murray should leave Charlton at the same time as Duchatelet. Shares are a gamble, you gambled you lost that's the risk it was your choice, millions of people have bought shares in many different things and have lost out.
|
|
|
Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 24, 2019 9:33:49 GMT
It's not in support of the Belgian, its ignoring all the crap we know nothing about, and just getting on with supporting the team and management, whilst enjoying the football being played. Its so easy to gamble when it isnt your money. I've got a sure thing in the 4.10 at york if someone wants to give me a score? It's a fact that clubs lose money in the process of trying to achieve success.
Our glorious leader thought he was a visionary who could get success by attempting to break even, and look at how much he has lost!
|
|
|
Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 24, 2019 9:36:22 GMT
Its so easy to gamble when it isnt your money. I've got a sure thing in the 4.10 at york if someone wants to give me a score? But it was our money ? Many of us bought shares in the club at the behest of Richard Murray...who’s many errors then saw those shares reduced to nothing. Just one of the many reasons why Murray should leave Charlton at the same time as Duchatelet. And Murray poo pooed fans who lost money by saying "but not as much as me".
|
|
|
Post by overthetop on Aug 24, 2019 9:53:37 GMT
But it was our money ? Many of us bought shares in the club at the behest of Richard Murray...who’s many errors then saw those shares reduced to nothing. Just one of the many reasons why Murray should leave Charlton at the same time as Duchatelet. Shares are a gamble, you gambled you lost that's the risk it was your choice, millions of people have bought shares in many different things and have lost out. These are the only shares I've ever purchased that have been wiped out overnight at the whim of the Board of Directors. I expected never to get a dividend, but to just wipe them out, at a Board meeting, with no consultation or no opportunity to vote was a disgrace.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 10:13:43 GMT
Its so easy to gamble when it isnt your money. I've got a sure thing in the 4.10 at york if someone wants to give me a score? It's a fact that clubs lose money in the process of trying to achieve success.
Our glorious leader thought he was a visionary who ⁰could get success by attempting to break even, and look at how much he has lost!
But that's his money and probably balances against his business profits.. Why does everyone get so worked up over things out of their control?. Players and management take no notice and get on with it It again goes on and on and on... Lee Bowyer his players and staff have bought back the feel good factor, but still people moan and harp on about things from 5 years back. The Valley at the moment is s very happy place, and long may it continue. Perhaps I dont get all the moaning as I can remember standing on crumbling terracing with crowds around 4000 at times.. Selhurst Park Upton Park... I think it's because im old, and dont believe everyone has a divine right to success..also I dont think you need to spend 10 million on every player and paying then whatever they like. Although I do believe Lyle Taylor to be the exception, and hope the picture is clearer come jan..
|
|
|
Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 24, 2019 10:36:33 GMT
It's a fact that clubs lose money in the process of trying to achieve success.
Our glorious leader thought he was a visionary who ⁰could get success by attempting to break even, and look at how much he has lost!
But that's his money and probably balances against his business profits.. Why does everyone get so worked up over things out of their control?. Players and management take no notice and get on with it It again goes on and on and on... Lee Bowyer his players and staff have bought back the feel good factor, but still people moan and harp on about things from 5 years back. The Valley at the moment is s very happy place, and long may it continue. Perhaps I dont get all the moaning as I can remember standing on crumbling terracing with crowds around 4000 at times.. Selhurst Park Upton Park... I think it's because im old, and dont believe everyone has a divine right to success..also I dont think you need to spend 10 million on every player and paying then whatever they like. Although I do believe Lyle Taylor to be the exception, and hope the picture is clearer come jan.. For the players and manager, it is purely a job. For us it is about a passion for something you love.
|
|
|
Post by lukepiestalker on Aug 24, 2019 10:52:40 GMT
The fans are not being paid money to do a job so it is an entirely different relationship.
If fans hadn't kicked off years ago we could well have been homeless forever, so it is entirely the fan's job and right to kick off when they see the club they love being mal treated. Lee, being the pro he is, simply looks after the team and does it well under the circumstances.
Murray's decisions got us where we are, it is part of our history, so he is by no means blameless, in my view.
As for BB's comments re the loans, they are as clueless as they ever are. Personally, I've always seen the loans issue as simple - bailed us out in troubled times, no need to pay until the Prem return.
Anyway, match day. Unbeaten in the league in August has a fine ring to it. If anyone can, Lee can.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 11:20:29 GMT
But that's his money and probably balances against his business profits.. Why does everyone get so worked up over things out of their control?. Players and management take no notice and get on with it It again goes on and on and on... Lee Bowyer his players and staff have bought back the feel good factor, but still people moan and harp on about things from 5 years back. The Valley at the moment is s very happy place, and long may it continue. Perhaps I dont get all the moaning as I can remember standing on crumbling terracing with crowds around 4000 at times.. Selhurst Park Upton Park... I think it's because im old, and dont believe everyone has a divine right to success..also I dont think you need to spend 10 million on every player and paying then whatever they like. Although I do believe Lyle Taylor to be the exception, and hope the picture is clearer come jan.. For the players and manager, it is purely a job. For us it is about a passion for something you love. I agree, that's why I haven't missed a season for 54 years
|
|
|
Post by taxicab on Aug 24, 2019 11:41:52 GMT
The fans are not being paid money to do a job so it is an entirely different relationship. If fans hadn't kicked off years ago we could well have been homeless forever, so it is entirely the fan's job and right to kick off when they see the club they love being mal treated. Lee, being the pro he is, simply looks after the team and does it well under the circumstances. Murray's decisions got us where we are, it is part of our history, so he is by no means blameless, in my view. As for BB's comments re the loans, they are as clueless as they ever are. Personally, I've always seen the loans issue as simple - bailed us out in troubled times, no need to pay until the Prem return. Anyway, match day. Unbeaten in the league in August has a fine ring to it. If anyone can, Lee can. It is a very happy place right now, but Bowyer, his staff and players are all on short term contracts, could go the other way very quickly, what we want is stability which Duchatelet won’t give .
|
|
|
Post by seriouslyred on Aug 24, 2019 11:42:39 GMT
It's a fact that clubs lose money in the process of trying to achieve success. Our glorious leader thought he was a visionary who ⁰could get success by attempting to break even, and look at how much he has lost!
But that's his money and probably balances against his business profits.. Why does everyone get so worked up over things out of their control?. Players and management take no notice and get on with it It again goes on and on and on... Lee Bowyer his players and staff have bought back the feel good factor, but still people moan and harp on about things from 5 years back. The Valley at the moment is s very happy place, and long may it continue. Perhaps I dont get all the moaning as I can remember standing on crumbling terracing with crowds around 4000 at times.. Selhurst Park Upton Park... I think it's because im old, and dont believe everyone has a divine right to success..also I dont think you need to spend 10 million on every player and paying then whatever they like. Although I do believe Lyle Taylor to be the exception, and hope the picture is clearer come jan.. Precisely! Why do people get so worked up over things out of their control? Losses over the last five years have been about the same as the five years before that - all we know for certain is that it's an expensive business owning an EFL club. The Valley is indeed a happy place and looking forward to setting off in the car in an hour or so.
|
|
|
Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 24, 2019 12:14:41 GMT
The fans are not being paid money to do a job so it is an entirely different relationship. If fans hadn't kicked off years ago we could well have been homeless forever, so it is entirely the fan's job and right to kick off when they see the club they love being mal treated. Lee, being the pro he is, simply looks after the team and does it well under the circumstances. Murray's decisions got us where we are, it is part of our history, so he is by no means blameless, in my view. As for BB's comments re the loans, they are as clueless as they ever are. Personally, I've always seen the loans issue as simple - bailed us out in troubled times, no need to pay until the Prem return. Anyway, match day. Unbeaten in the league in August has a fine ring to it. If anyone can, Lee can. It is a very happy place right now, but Bowyer, his staff and players are all on short term contracts, could go the other way very quickly, what we want is stability which Duchatelet won’t give . A club with sand as foundations.
|
|
|
Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 24, 2019 12:18:16 GMT
But that's his money and probably balances against his business profits.. Why does everyone get so worked up over things out of their control?. Players and management take no notice and get on with it It again goes on and on and on... Lee Bowyer his players and staff have bought back the feel good factor, but still people moan and harp on about things from 5 years back. The Valley at the moment is s very happy place, and long may it continue. Perhaps I dont get all the moaning as I can remember standing on crumbling terracing with crowds around 4000 at times.. Selhurst Park Upton Park... I think it's because im old, and dont believe everyone has a divine right to success..also I dont think you need to spend 10 million on every player and paying then whatever they like. Although I do believe Lyle Taylor to be the exception, and hope the picture is clearer come jan.. Precisely! Why do people get so worked up over things out of their control? Losses over the last five years have been about the same as the five years before that - all we know for certain is that it's an expensive business owning an EFL club. The Valley is indeed a happy place and looking forward to setting off in the car in an hour or so. I, along with millions of others, have a passion for their football club, and get very upset when things go down the shitter. A passion and emotion it seems you are lacking.
|
|
|
Post by kings hill addick on Aug 24, 2019 13:33:05 GMT
Point 1) If RD spends more money to get the club promoted and fails he will have ‘lost’ his money. Point 2) It RD does manage to ‘buy’ promotion the ex-Directors will be in line for a wind fall that that may never see - as the club might not get promoted to the Premier League again in their lifetime. Point 3) Mr Whitehand is suggesting that RD should risk his money (see Point 1) which, if successful, would make him (Mr Whitehand) more wealthy (see Point 2) yet there is no risk to Mr Whitehand’s current financial situation. Point 4) Bexley Box has suggested that Mr Whitehand has (which he is perfectly within his right to) refused to ‘fund’ a new owner byreducing his charge over the club’s assets. I have no real interest on either side but the facts (or points if you would prefer garrynelson) are undisputed. Is that clear enough for you? Point 1) If RD invests more into the Club, he just increases his loan to the Club at a rate of 2.5% PA interest. It's not even an unsecured loan. Point 2) Seeing as Bob Whitehand's debt is owed to 56 Developments LLP, it's irrelevant if he dies before we may ever reach the Premier League. Point 3) Where is Bob Whitehand suggesting the Duchatalet risk more of his money? All he is doing is responding to Bexley Boys fawning of our current owner. There is a charge on the company that is the debenture owed to Bob Whitehand. Despite it being non interest bearing it will not make him more wealthy as it is already part of his wealth, just as his pension fund would be. Point 4) I suspect that Bob Whitehand (and the other three debenture holders 'outed' by Murray) may be willing to negotiate with Duchatalet. Unfortunately Bob Whitehand has made it clear that no attempt has been made by the owner or his representatives to open any dialogue. Is that clear enough for you? Sadly, all four of those points are factually incorrect, and I’m bored of trying to reason with people that just seem to want an argument so I’ll leave it there.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 18:18:21 GMT
Precisely! Why do people get so worked up over things out of their control? Losses over the last five years have been about the same as the five years before that - all we know for certain is that it's an expensive business owning an EFL club. The Valley is indeed a happy place and looking forward to setting off in the car in an hour or so. I, along with millions of others, have a passion for their football club, and get very upset when things go down the shitter. A passion and emotion it seems you are lacking. You dont know me, so why make such comments... You dont attend,and it seems in your agenda to attack people that do.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 18:46:53 GMT
I would love RD to invest millions more to get it to the Premier League but if it works then great, if it fails then RD will have ‘lost’ even more money. In the case of the ex Directors, it is an even more win, don’t lose scenario. If we get to the Premier League they get their loans back (something that is still not guaranteed in their lifetimes) and if we don’t RD will have spent millions of pounds of his money trying. For this reason there is, all be in unnecessary, justification for Bexley Boy to ask if Bob wants to spend some of his money trying to get us promoted rather than asking someone else to spend theirs. Just thinking out loud! Point 1) If RD spends more money to get the club promoted and fails he will have ‘lost’ his money. Point 2) It RD does manage to ‘buy’ promotion the ex-Directors will be in line for a wind fall that that may never see - as the club might not get promoted to the Premier League again in their lifetime. Point 3) Mr Whitehand is suggesting that RD should risk his money (see Point 1) which, if successful, would make him (Mr Whitehand) more wealthy (see Point 2) yet there is no risk to Mr Whitehand’s current financial situation. Point 4) Bexley Box has suggested that Mr Whitehand has (which he is perfectly within his right to) refused to ‘fund’ a new owner byreducing his charge over the club’s assets. I have no real interest on either side but the facts (or points if you would prefer garrynelson) are undisputed. Is that clear enough for you? I'd say Bob Whitehand is probably a big fan of the Addicks, and speaking from his heart. We probably don't have the squad to challenge yet, but the management an playing staff are forging a real unit here - who knows where they could go with real backing. The management team are probably as good as many of us dared dream of back in the days of Slade or Fraeye. Long contracts would be a real boost - other clubs would have done so by now. After all the failed managers since Curbs left, what price stability? Asking Bob Whitehand to fund it when he is no longer a director, is owed money by the club, helped save us when things were grim, and has recently lost his hpspitality at Charlton, is fairly crass. People asking him to shove more money in should do so themselves. Bexleyboy has achieved cross forum idiot status by doing so on twitter. Bobs reply, 'I don't know who you are Bexleyboy' was a deserved put down for a pathetic bit of trolling.
|
|
|
Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 24, 2019 21:46:59 GMT
I, along with millions of others, have a passion for their football club, and get very upset when things go down the shitter. A passion and emotion it seems you are lacking. You dont know me, so why make such comments... You dont attend,and it seems in your agenda to attack people that do. I shall not comment on your post(that you have deleted) relating to deaths in a family. Suffice to say it was sickening.
|
|
|
Post by lukepiestalker on Aug 24, 2019 21:51:28 GMT
It's not in support of the Belgian, its ignoring all the crap we know nothing about, and just getting on with supporting the team and management, whilst enjoying the football being played. It's entirely possible to support the team, enjoy the football AND comment on the bullshit.
|
|
|
Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 25, 2019 7:20:00 GMT
I, along with millions of others, have a passion for their football club, and get very upset when things go down the shitter. A passion and emotion it seems you are lacking. You dont know me, so why make such comments... You dont attend,and it seems in your agenda to attack people that do. Where is that comment directed at you?
|
|
|
Post by overthetop on Aug 25, 2019 8:03:33 GMT
Point 1) If RD invests more into the Club, he just increases his loan to the Club at a rate of 2.5% PA interest. It's not even an unsecured loan. Point 2) Seeing as Bob Whitehand's debt is owed to 56 Developments LLP, it's irrelevant if he dies before we may ever reach the Premier League. Point 3) Where is Bob Whitehand suggesting the Duchatalet risk more of his money? All he is doing is responding to Bexley Boys fawning of our current owner. There is a charge on the company that is the debenture owed to Bob Whitehand. Despite it being non interest bearing it will not make him more wealthy as it is already part of his wealth, just as his pension fund would be. Point 4) I suspect that Bob Whitehand (and the other three debenture holders 'outed' by Murray) may be willing to negotiate with Duchatalet. Unfortunately Bob Whitehand has made it clear that no attempt has been made by the owner or his representatives to open any dialogue. Is that clear enough for you? Sadly, all four of those points are factually incorrect, and I’m bored of trying to reason with people that just seem to want an argument so I’ll leave it there. I've responded to your four falsehoods with correct and factual answers. Have you not read them? So if you want to walk away with your fingers in your ears and your eyes closed, then be my guest, but do not question my response unless you can come up with some actual facts rather than rumour or conjecture, then walk away like a spoilt child. I too don't want to argue with a fellow Addick, but also I try to correct inaccuracies and falsehoods.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 11:14:32 GMT
You dont know me, so why make such comments... You dont attend,and it seems in your agenda to attack people that do. Where is that comment directed at you? Seems pretty clear to me..
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 11:16:39 GMT
You dont know me, so why make such comments... You dont attend,and it seems in your agenda to attack people that do. I shall not comment on your post(that you have deleted) relating to deaths in a family. Suffice to say it was sickening. Was the truth,as privately stated to Reams, as to being the reason, I dont get her up over Roland!!!!
|
|
|
Post by willett on Aug 25, 2019 11:20:06 GMT
I wonder how BexleyBoy's response is coming along?
Been a while now!
|
|
|
Post by bexleyboy on Aug 25, 2019 11:26:17 GMT
I wonder how BexleyBoy's response is coming along? Been a while now! Don’t need to respond not to an idiot like you I had it confirmed on Friday what I already knew ... which I will only post off site
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 11:34:28 GMT
I wonder how BexleyBoy's response is coming along? Been a while now! Don’t need to respond not to an idiot like you I had it confirmed on Friday what I already knew ... which I will only post off site Mmmmm.....who to believe here ? The ex Director who nobly pumped his own money in to save the club (BW) The internet fantasist who has spent 18 months stating the Aussies are buying Charlton (CS)
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Aug 25, 2019 11:47:02 GMT
But that's his money and probably balances against his business profits.. Why does everyone get so worked up over things out of their control?. Players and management take no notice and get on with it It again goes on and on and on... Lee Bowyer his players and staff have bought back the feel good factor, but still people moan and harp on about things from 5 years back. The Valley at the moment is s very happy place, and long may it continue. Perhaps I dont get all the moaning as I can remember standing on crumbling terracing with crowds around 4000 at times.. Selhurst Park Upton Park... I think it's because im old, and dont believe everyone has a divine right to success..also I dont think you need to spend 10 million on every player and paying then whatever they like. Although I do believe Lyle Taylor to be the exception, and hope the picture is clearer come jan.. For the players and manager, it is purely a job. For us it is about a passion for something you love. Not having that, you don't go to games so while you may love it, clearly don't love it enough.
|
|
|
Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 25, 2019 11:52:35 GMT
For the players and manager, it is purely a job. For us it is about a passion for something you love. Not having that, you don't go to games so while you may love it, clearly don't love it enough. Disagree. That can then be aimed at other non attenders that do not go. I believe you do not go every Saturday you have available, so does your post apply to you? The Belgian departs tomorrow then I go back.
|
|
|
Post by willett on Aug 25, 2019 12:08:04 GMT
I wonder how BexleyBoy's response is coming along? Been a while now! Don’t need to respond not to an idiot like you I had it confirmed on Friday what I already knew ... which I will only post off site Chin up mate! You've been shown up good and proper!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 12:13:36 GMT
I wonder how BexleyBoy's response is coming along? Been a while now! Don’t need to respond not to an idiot like you I had it confirmed on Friday what I already knew ... which I will only post off site Why off site?
|
|
|
Post by willett on Aug 25, 2019 12:16:07 GMT
Don’t need to respond not to an idiot like you I had it confirmed on Friday what I already knew ... which I will only post off site Why off site? Because it doesn't exist mate.
|
|