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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 11:33:45 GMT
Feel a bit for Razil here - more than an element of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' at play.
The criticism of the CAS Trust, in my view, is founded in a misapprehension of why it exists and what its objectives are. That might be their failing, it might be blind prejudice - probably a mix of both - but I'd be amazed if any supporter could find issue with their published objectives, available on their website. And if there's no issue with their vision, then it's either their methods or their personalities - and both can be changed by the members if they so wish according to what is genuinely a democratic process.
The absence of an organised supporters' voice has cost us dear in the past, not least 1985, yet the idea that the Trust exists solely as the official opposition to the club's owners is just ludicrous. As I understand it as a member, they've been working on all kinds of things to the benefit of the club and its supporters - and football supporters in general. There's plenty that can be achieved without even speaking to the club, although collaboration is in everyone's interests and it's encouraging to hear that KM is involved in conversations.
Quite what Reams's undeniably good knowledge of Belgian football has to do with any of this is beyond me. By all means criticise, but as I've said before if you're doing so from the sidelines then it's just whinging. Get involved, make a difference, be constructive. If you don't like the personalities, get involved yourself.
Discouraging others from committing to the Trust is plain silly in my view. Get the info out there, express your views - but let's hear from both 'sides' and let everyone make their own mind up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 11:39:54 GMT
Why not just scrap the TRUST and do what Inky does when he has issues with the club. Now this may seem a bit radical, but he emails RD and gets a reply. If I'm missing the bigger picture please do enlighten me. Unions exists because the voice of the people is stronger than the voice of the person. It's also considerably more representative, because unions canvas their members' views. Likewise CAS Trust represents over 1000 members, nearly 2000 other associates and canvasses views from any Charlton supporter who cares to respond to their surveys (or contact them directly). An activity for which their board takes a lot of stick for some inexplicable reason. I'm quite sure Ackworth has regularly written to the club over the years - do you think he's taken more seriously as a result?
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Post by ralphmilnesgut on Sept 1, 2014 11:46:28 GMT
Any talk of scrapping the Trust from those who are not members is pointless as you are talking from a position where you only think you know everything.
Don't join if you don't want to, join and vote if you want to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 12:13:45 GMT
Why not just scrap the TRUST and do what Inky does when he has issues with the club. Now this may seem a bit radical, but he emails RD and gets a reply. If I'm missing the bigger picture please do enlighten me. Unions exists because the voice of the people is stronger than the voice of the person. It's also considerably more representative, because unions canvas their members' views. Likewise CAS Trust represents over 1000 members, nearly 2000 other associates and canvasses views from any Charlton supporter who cares to respond to their surveys (or contact them directly). An activity for which their board takes a lot of stick for some inexplicable reason. I'm quite sure Ackworth has regularly written to the club over the years - do you think he's taken more seriously as a result? Unions, humm, did you see what happened to the miners / bin men / British car industry, think you'll find they have very little power now days and generally piss people off when strikes are called , Have a read up here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Crow under "champagne socialism" utter bollocks. If your not convinced , try this - www.taxpayersalliance.com/tradeunionrichlist0611.pdfor even this , www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176250/The-36-union-fat-cats-picking-100k.htmlUnions are not longer a voice of the "people" , you tell me how many Jo Public's get paid over a 100K , arh yes, you cry , but they are fighting for the nurses etc etc, .......one day the penny will drop , PS what ever happened to Arthur Scargill, the darling of the Unions / Miners, the destroyer of familes , businesses and lifes in the north ! BTW I have family in Northumberland, the strikes destroyed the community , thanks Arthur. www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/28/in-search-of-arthur-scargill-miners-strike
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 1, 2014 12:49:00 GMT
Is the Trust a union? I think it's more of a consumer association seeking to advise the club on concerns and offer help. On the much asked question of elections I believe there are c.10 places on the Trust Board. As there have never been more than ten candidates the nominations have always closed leading to an uncontested election. Every member is advised of the process and invited to stand if they so wish. There might be a time limit but I don't know for sure as I bailed after 18 months.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 13:46:24 GMT
Is the Trust a union? I think it's more of a consumer association seeking to advise the club on concerns and offer help. On the much asked question of elections I believe there are c.10 places on the Trust Board. As there have never been more than ten candidates the nominations have always closed leading to an uncontested election. Every member is advised of the process and invited to stand if they so wish. There might be a time limit but I don't know for sure as I bailed after 18 months. Not sure I said it was - I was using it as a comparison as to why the CAS Trust might have a stronger voice than a single person. Unions still negotiate their members' pay deals, represent their collated interests in working conditions, take strike action as one body, etc etc. They don't wield the power of the 70s, sure, but that was hardly my point.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 1, 2014 17:02:28 GMT
I don’t know Airman, so what people say about him personally – both positively or negatively may be correct. But nobody can discount his record and the important part he has played in the club’s history – a) as Sadie mentioned in us getting back home and b) in his achievements whilst working for the club. To me he has shown that he is somebody who can put his money where his mouth is – yes maybe he can also put his mouth where he shouldn’t if he is going to be the perfect employee, but I think the owners could do worse than use his knowledge and skills in a positive way – it isn’t as if we don’t need his sort of ideas for building the fan base back up for instance. They were not his ideas though muttley, I was calling for cheap seats long before he was but that's because clubs have been doing it for years so it wasn't my idea either. There are far more people out there with superior skills and knowledge of the game than what he has, maybe the club could use them too.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 1, 2014 17:44:54 GMT
I don’t know Airman, so what people say about him personally – both positively or negatively may be correct. But nobody can discount his record and the important part he has played in the club’s history – a) as Sadie mentioned in us getting back home and b) in his achievements whilst working for the club. To me he has shown that he is somebody who can put his money where his mouth is – yes maybe he can also put his mouth where he shouldn’t if he is going to be the perfect employee, but I think the owners could do worse than use his knowledge and skills in a positive way – it isn’t as if we don’t need his sort of ideas for building the fan base back up for instance. In February he wrote to Katrien Meire offering his services. By March he had his G21 demanding a meeting and was calling for a season ticket boycott. He also laid into Ben Kensell online. Right now he is still banging on about Nego and Koc and how "catastrophic" the January window was and how "M.Duchatelet got away with it" While the rest of us are praising Buyens, Vetokele, Gudmundsson and now Bulot. The guy clearly has his own agenda and wants to be in some kind of control...CAFC has no desire and no need for his contribution. By his own admission none of what he did was rocket science - just building a database of fans and finding different ways to promote games. I won't go into too much detail on my comments re him and the Trust. Suffice it to say that 45% of the Trust audience do not use CL...I have been told first hand by certain fans that they would walk away from the Trust if the leadership took him on board. The Trust has no need for confrontation and negative spin about the club.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 1, 2014 17:55:50 GMT
Like I said Rick Everitt is a cock who thinks he is important.
I am pleased that the club have dismissed him as a waste of space.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 18:12:13 GMT
I don’t know Airman, so what people say about him personally – both positively or negatively may be correct. But nobody can discount his record and the important part he has played in the club’s history – a) as Sadie mentioned in us getting back home and b) in his achievements whilst working for the club. To me he has shown that he is somebody who can put his money where his mouth is – yes maybe he can also put his mouth where he shouldn’t if he is going to be the perfect employee, but I think the owners could do worse than use his knowledge and skills in a positive way – it isn’t as if we don’t need his sort of ideas for building the fan base back up for instance. In February he wrote to Katrien Meire offering his services. By March he had his G21 demanding a meeting and was calling for a season ticket boycott. He also laid into Ben Kensell online. Right now he is still banging on about Nego and Koc and how "catastrophic" the January window was and how "M.Duchatelet got away with it" While the rest of us are praising Buyens, Vetokele, Gudmundsson and now Bulot. The guy clearly has his own agenda and wants to be in some kind of control...CAFC has no desire and no need for his contribution. By his own admission none of what he did was rocket science - just building a database of fans and finding different ways to promote games. I won't go into too much detail on my comments re him and the Trust. Suffice it to say that 45% of the Trust audience do not use CL...I have been told first hand by certain fans that they would walk away from the Trust if the leadership took him on board. The Trust has no need for confrontation and negative spin about the club. SR (and Razil) :- as you know I have had huge reservations about the Trust but I will join if it is genuinely the case that it has nothing to do with G21/Everitt/Hayes/CL mafia and the objective is to support the work of RD and his staff in making CAFC a club we can proud of again rather than to criticise and confront and make trouble where it doesn't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 18:13:04 GMT
I don’t know Airman, so what people say about him personally – both positively or negatively may be correct. But nobody can discount his record and the important part he has played in the club’s history – a) as Sadie mentioned in us getting back home and b) in his achievements whilst working for the club. To me he has shown that he is somebody who can put his money where his mouth is – yes maybe he can also put his mouth where he shouldn’t if he is going to be the perfect employee, but I think the owners could do worse than use his knowledge and skills in a positive way – it isn’t as if we don’t need his sort of ideas for building the fan base back up for instance. In February he wrote to Katrien Meire offering his services. By March he had his G21 demanding a meeting and was calling for a season ticket boycott. He also laid into Ben Kensell online. Right now he is still banging on about Nego and Koc and how "catastrophic" the January window was and how "M.Duchatelet got away with it" While the rest of us are praising Buyens, Vetokele, Gudmundsson and now Bulot. The guy clearly has his own agenda and wants to be in some kind of control...CAFC has no desire and no need for his contribution. By his own admission none of what he did was rocket science - just building a database of fans and finding different ways to promote games. I won't go into too much detail on my comments re him and the Trust. Suffice it to say that 45% of the Trust audience do not use CL...I have been told first hand by certain fans that they would walk away from the Trust if the leadership took him on board. The Trust has no need for confrontation and negative spin about the club. Hence, he has lost 20 odd years of respect from many fans, short sighted, self important , "offering his service" for what may I ask ? fool
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 1, 2014 18:42:10 GMT
reams I can obviously detect how vitriolic you feel towards Airman brown, and lots of others who are also Charlton supporters, and the basis for your vitriol seems to be suspicion that people get above themselves, and fancy themselves as special. It is for others to judge if a person really is special or not, not for the individual to say it about themselves. Like I can say I write verses, but it is down to others, not me, to declare I am actually a poet, or I can say I draw a bit, but it is up to others to say I am an artist...not me. So leaving aside your hatred of ego, is it not also possible to put into the equation what contributions people have made to soften your hatred? I see you have recognised the return to the Valley campaign work done in the past, does that not still count for something even now? I mean think how unfair it would be if Cardiff supporters damned every previous Cardiff manager if they hadn't led them to the top division. You well know that previous Cardiff managers deserve respect because of what they contributed in the past, and that contribution is honoured even in the present.
This is richer than Donald Trump!! I take it that you don't buy or read Airman Brown's version of the Beano VOTV? I have never bought it and never will but I am told from several fans that they feel that it is coming a very uncomfortable read? From front to back it's just constant negatives towards RD with the odd positive thrown in in a very poor attempt at trying to balance out his obvious issues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 18:42:24 GMT
I don’t know Airman, so what people say about him personally – both positively or negatively may be correct. But nobody can discount his record and the important part he has played in the club’s history – a) as Sadie mentioned in us getting back home and b) in his achievements whilst working for the club. To me he has shown that he is somebody who can put his money where his mouth is – yes maybe he can also put his mouth where he shouldn’t if he is going to be the perfect employee, but I think the owners could do worse than use his knowledge and skills in a positive way – it isn’t as if we don’t need his sort of ideas for building the fan base back up for instance. In February he wrote to Katrien Meire offering his services. By March he had his G21 demanding a meeting and was calling for a season ticket boycott. He also laid into Ben Kensell online. Right now he is still banging on about Nego and Koc and how "catastrophic" the January window was and how "M.Duchatelet got away with it" While the rest of us are praising Buyens, Vetokele, Gudmundsson and now Bulot. The guy clearly has his own agenda and wants to be in some kind of control...CAFC has no desire and no need for his contribution. By his own admission none of what he did was rocket science - just building a database of fans and finding different ways to promote games. I won't go into too much detail on my comments re him and the Trust. Suffice it to say that 45% of the Trust audience do not use CL...I have been told first hand by certain fans that they would walk away from the Trust if the leadership took him on board. The Trust has no need for confrontation and negative spin about the club. Great to hear, he is the last person you want on board, he has got so bitter, he seems to use anything to have a dig at the club at the moment, I would like him to be involved. I am not taking away what he has done but I think he needs to get over the sacking, others have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 18:55:32 GMT
cant remember , was it Tony and Co that sacked him ? He then took them to a tribunal ? so , 1. why was he sacked ? 2. did he win the tribunal , (if there was one that is, because if he lost, then as they say "do one",) 3. if it was Tony & Co that pissed on his bonfire , why the out-pouring to RD ? 4. why or what does he feel he can add to a club btw, owned by a multi millionaire and successful businessman ? back then we were struggling, now, its a very very different game. 5. why hasnt his mate Dickie give him a call and told him to stop being stooopid, hes making himself look very daft, or is it the fact that Dickie is now "in bed" with RD, relishing the prospect of a big fat cheque when we reach the promised land lol
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Post by Reamsisgod on Sept 1, 2014 19:06:04 GMT
cant remember , was it Tony and Co that sacked him ? He then took them to a tribunal ? so , 1. why was he sacked ? 2. did he win the tribunal , (if there was one that is, because if he lost, then he can as they say "do one",) 3. if it was Tony & Co that pissed on his bonfire , why the out-pouring to RD ? 4. why or what does he feel he can add to a club btw, owned by a multi millionaire and successful businessman ? back then we were struggling, now, its a very very different game. 5. why hasnt his mate Dickie give him a call and told him to stop being stooopid, hes making himself look very daft, or is it the fact that Dickie is now "in bed" with RD, relishing the prospect of a big fat cheque when we reach the promised land lol Oi AA what was that lol for at the end of Q5 RM will be laughing all the way to the bank come next may. Even though we did not sign Reams 100% Delort signing for us. RE received a payout from Charlton it went to the tribunal put they settled just before entering court. According to RE as part of the settlement he must not disclose anything to do with his sacking or the amount paid. I find it amazing that SR is now having a pop at him when all of those on CL including SR were sucking him off until he tried to form the G21
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 19:13:42 GMT
cant remember , was it Tony and Co that sacked him ? He then took them to a tribunal ? so , 1. why was he sacked ? 2. did he win the tribunal , (if there was one that is, because if he lost, then he can as they say "do one",) 3. if it was Tony & Co that pissed on his bonfire , why the out-pouring to RD ? 4. why or what does he feel he can add to a club btw, owned by a multi millionaire and successful businessman ? back then we were struggling, now, its a very very different game. 5. why hasnt his mate Dickie give him a call and told him to stop being stooopid, hes making himself look very daft, or is it the fact that Dickie is now "in bed" with RD, relishing the prospect of a big fat cheque when we reach the promised land lol Oi AA what was that lol for at the end of Q5 RM will be laughing all the way to the bank come next may. Even though we did not sign Reams 100% Delort signing for us. RE received a payout from Charlton it went to the tribunal put they settled just before entering court. According to RE as part of the settlement he must not disclose anything to do with his sacking or the amount paid. I find it amazing that SR is now having a pop at him when all of those on CL including SR were sucking him off until he tried to form the G21 clear as mud Vincey , RE gets a nice little pay off, so he DOES have a price to keep his gob shut, (lets have a whip round) , so much for being the "voice of the fans" , bought off not to expose them in the ivory tower. Shame they didnt put an embargo on the bollocks he spouts in his mag, now only to be found next to the likes of Razzle, Readers Wifes & Asian Babes !
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Post by Reamsisgod on Sept 1, 2014 19:22:48 GMT
Oi AA what was that lol for at the end of Q5 RM will be laughing all the way to the bank come next may. Even though we did not sign Reams 100% Delort signing for us. RE received a payout from Charlton it went to the tribunal put they settled just before entering court. According to RE as part of the settlement he must not disclose anything to do with his sacking or the amount paid. I find it amazing that SR is now having a pop at him when all of those on CL including SR were sucking him off until he tried to form the G21 clear as mud Vincey , RE gets a nice little pay off, so he DOES have a price to keep his gob shut, (lets have a whip round) , so much for being the "voice of the fans" , bought off not to expose them in the ivory tower. Shame they didnt put an embargo on the bollocks he spouts in his mag, now only to be found next to the likes of Razzle, Readers Wifes & Asian Babes ! At the moment I see 3 different factions in the Charlton family, those with no life (Trust 8) those with a sad life(G21) and the rest of us. Andy this does not include the weirdoes like NG or JA can you think of any others
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 19:39:28 GMT
Why not just scrap the TRUST and do what Inky does when he has issues with the club. Now this may seem a bit radical, but he emails RD and gets a reply. If I'm missing the bigger picture please do enlighten me. Unions exists because the voice of the people is stronger than the voice of the person. It's also considerably more representative, because unions canvas their members' views. Likewise CAS Trust represents over 1000 members, nearly 2000 other associates and canvasses views from any Charlton supporter who cares to respond to their surveys (or contact them directly). An activity for which their board takes a lot of stick for some inexplicable reason. I'm quite sure Ackworth has regularly written to the club over the years - do you think he's taken more seriously as a result? Will you please stop making logical and well thought out posts Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 20:09:38 GMT
clear as mud Vincey , RE gets a nice little pay off, so he DOES have a price to keep his gob shut, (lets have a whip round) , so much for being the "voice of the fans" , bought off not to expose them in the ivory tower. Shame they didnt put an embargo on the bollocks he spouts in his mag, now only to be found next to the likes of Razzle, Readers Wifes & Asian Babes ! At the moment I see 3 different factions in the Charlton family, those with no life (Trust 8) those with a sad life(G21) and the rest of us. Andy this does not include the weirdoes like NG or JA can you think of any others 1 more group mate, that being the FAB's, "Flasks And Blankets" ............... :-)
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 2, 2014 7:09:41 GMT
cant remember , was it Tony and Co that sacked him ? He then took them to a tribunal ? so , 1. why was he sacked ? 2. did he win the tribunal , (if there was one that is, because if he lost, then as they say "do one",) 3. if it was Tony & Co that pissed on his bonfire , why the out-pouring to RD ? 4. why or what does he feel he can add to a club btw, owned by a multi millionaire and successful businessman ? back then we were struggling, now, its a very very different game. 5. why hasnt his mate Dickie give him a call and told him to stop being stooopid, hes making himself look very daft, or is it the fact that Dickie is now "in bed" with RD, relishing the prospect of a big fat cheque when we reach the promised land lol When Peter Varney went, Martin Prothero came on board as chief executive. For better or worse the entire management team of the back office was cleared out, one by one save for the finance guy and the football club secretary. I don't know these people and cannot comment on them nor would I. It appears that the owners decided upon a clear out and not to offer long term contracts to the older players. In hindsight this was all part of the proposition when the club was put up for sale (I have just argued this through with Henry Irving on CL - he hasn't come back!) Difficult to speak for Airman but it appears that he (and others) became so entrenched in the anti Jiminez stuff and Powell the icon that they forgot to keep an eye on the actual football! Some are convinced that Airman and the others who left all hold valuable nuggets of information which will help us back to the Premier League. However it's not just Duchatelet's money that does the trick. By all accounts Liege was a basket case when he took over and within three years they were top of the league. Bringing in young players and giving coaches a year to do something. If I've said it once I've posted it ten times on CL...check out the Liege website if you want an idea of where we are going. M.Duchatelet appears to be understated "time will tell" he says after Riga is appointed..."we need to avoid relegation" says Peeters! Katrien Meire and Karel Fraeye were on Duchatelet payroll three months before he bought CAFC. Vetokele has just said he came to CAFC because of Peeters... Basically there's been a plan all along and professionals don't need mavericks around...there's a job to do! Incidentally Murray reads CL from time to time to see what's being said - so he's hardly likely to lobby for Everett to be brought back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 9:58:33 GMT
"Some are convinced that Airman and the others who left all hold valuable nuggets of information which will help us back to the Premier League."
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Post by razil on Sept 2, 2014 10:45:23 GMT
In February he wrote to Katrien Meire offering his services. By March he had his G21 demanding a meeting and was calling for a season ticket boycott. He also laid into Ben Kensell online. Right now he is still banging on about Nego and Koc and how "catastrophic" the January window was and how "M.Duchatelet got away with it" While the rest of us are praising Buyens, Vetokele, Gudmundsson and now Bulot. The guy clearly has his own agenda and wants to be in some kind of control...CAFC has no desire and no need for his contribution. By his own admission none of what he did was rocket science - just building a database of fans and finding different ways to promote games. I won't go into too much detail on my comments re him and the Trust. Suffice it to say that 45% of the Trust audience do not use CL...I have been told first hand by certain fans that they would walk away from the Trust if the leadership took him on board. The Trust has no need for confrontation and negative spin about the club. SR (and Razil) :- as you know I have had huge reservations about the Trust but I will join if it is genuinely the case that it has nothing to do with G21/Everitt/Hayes/CL mafia and the objective is to support the work of RD and his staff in making CAFC a club we can proud of again rather than to criticise and confront and make trouble where it doesn't exist. The Trust is not the lackey of any group or interest, nor do we seek to exclude any group, we seek what is best for CAFC and try to justify any actions on that basis. We often even within the group have a very wide range of opinions and views which might surprise you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 10:51:05 GMT
so , who decides "whats best for CAFC" , when they dont actually have a pot to piss in , ie zero cash investment !
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Post by razil on Sept 2, 2014 11:01:28 GMT
its a good question, but what other way would we do it? The point is we try and guide what we do in those terms.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 11:06:05 GMT
the point is, RD probably dont give a chuff going on what he's experienced from Airman and co !
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Post by webbo on Sept 2, 2014 16:22:44 GMT
I don’t know Airman, so what people say about him personally – both positively or negatively may be correct. But nobody can discount his record and the important part he has played in the club’s history – a) as Sadie mentioned in us getting back home and b) in his achievements whilst working for the club. To me he has shown that he is somebody who can put his money where his mouth is – yes maybe he can also put his mouth where he shouldn’t if he is going to be the perfect employee, but I think the owners could do worse than use his knowledge and skills in a positive way – it isn’t as if we don’t need his sort of ideas for building the fan base back up for instance. In February he wrote to Katrien Meire offering his services. By March he had his G21 demanding a meeting and was calling for a season ticket boycott. He also laid into Ben Kensell online. Right now he is still banging on about Nego and Koc and how "catastrophic" the January window was and how "M.Duchatelet got away with it" While the rest of us are praising Buyens, Vetokele, Gudmundsson and now Bulot. The guy clearly has his own agenda and wants to be in some kind of control...CAFC has no desire and no need for his contribution. By his own admission none of what he did was rocket science - just building a database of fans and finding different ways to promote games. I won't go into too much detail on my comments re him and the Trust. Suffice it to say that 45% of the Trust audience do not use CL...I have been told first hand by certain fans that they would walk away from the Trust if the leadership took him on board. The Trust has no need for confrontation and negative spin about the club. If you have been told first hand by fans they would walk away from the trust then that is valid but miniscule evidence that what you say is true. I asked earlier when you stated that the Trust would lose members if AB became involved what you based that on, and it is based on some first hand conversations. I don't reckon AB would become active in the trust, but if he did it might even help the growth in membership given that folk are still happy to buy the VOTV. I also asked earlier if your notion of fans working and pulling together only goes so far in your vision, and would not be that inclusive seeing as how you wouldn't (it seems) want AB to be part of the collaborative effort. There are a lot of personal agendas clouding issues here. I even read reams some weeks ago say something like 'why would I want to meet Barnie when all I would do is tell him I think he's a c**t ?'. How can you call somebody a c-word when you haven't even met them? Well I suppose lots of people do it all the time. I have read what barnie has said earlier about the Trust and it seems entirely reasonable to me, but maybe there is something I am missing here. I really do understand that people are always going to hate other people if they think the person wrongly fancies themselves in some way, and I suppose there is nothing to be done about that kind of blind hatred.
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Post by webbo on Sept 2, 2014 16:29:55 GMT
reams I can obviously detect how vitriolic you feel towards Airman brown, and lots of others who are also Charlton supporters, and the basis for your vitriol seems to be suspicion that people get above themselves, and fancy themselves as special. It is for others to judge if a person really is special or not, not for the individual to say it about themselves. Like I can say I write verses, but it is down to others, not me, to declare I am actually a poet, or I can say I draw a bit, but it is up to others to say I am an artist...not me. So leaving aside your hatred of ego, is it not also possible to put into the equation what contributions people have made to soften your hatred? I see you have recognised the return to the Valley campaign work done in the past, does that not still count for something even now? I mean think how unfair it would be if Cardiff supporters damned every previous Cardiff manager if they hadn't led them to the top division. You well know that previous Cardiff managers deserve respect because of what they contributed in the past, and that contribution is honoured even in the present.
This is richer than Donald Trump!! I take it that you don't buy or read Airman Brown's version of the Beano VOTV? I have never bought it and never will but I am told from several fans that they feel that it is coming a very uncomfortable read? From front to back it's just constant negatives towards RD with the odd positive thrown in in a very poor attempt at trying to balance out his obvious issues. If you have never read it, how can you know what it is like 'from front to back'?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 16:44:48 GMT
This is richer than Donald Trump!! I take it that you don't buy or read Airman Brown's version of the Beano VOTV? I have never bought it and never will but I am told from several fans that they feel that it is coming a very uncomfortable read? From front to back it's just constant negatives towards RD with the odd positive thrown in in a very poor attempt at trying to balance out his obvious issues. If you have never read it, how can you know what it is like 'from front to back'? LOL - you walked into that one Paul! (He probably listened to the commentary on the radio webbo)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 17:34:06 GMT
reams I can obviously detect how vitriolic you feel towards Airman brown, and lots of others who are also Charlton supporters, and the basis for your vitriol seems to be suspicion that people get above themselves, and fancy themselves as special. It is for others to judge if a person really is special or not, not for the individual to say it about themselves. Like I can say I write verses, but it is down to others, not me, to declare I am actually a poet, or I can say I draw a bit, but it is up to others to say I am an artist...not me. So leaving aside your hatred of ego, is it not also possible to put into the equation what contributions people have made to soften your hatred? I see you have recognised the return to the Valley campaign work done in the past, does that not still count for something even now? I mean think how unfair it would be if Cardiff supporters damned every previous Cardiff manager if they hadn't led them to the top division. You well know that previous Cardiff managers deserve respect because of what they contributed in the past, and that contribution is honoured even in the present.
This is richer than Donald Trump!! I take it that you don't buy or read Airman Brown's version of the Beano VOTV? I have never bought it and never will but I am told from several fans that they feel that it is coming a very uncomfortable read? From front to back it's just constant negatives towards RD with the odd positive thrown in in a very poor attempt at trying to balance out his obvious issues. For someone who doesn't read it you have some very strong opinions on it. How does that work exactly? Rick is an acquired taste. I quite like him personally, the few times I've met him, but he's not the easiest person and I'm sure he'd admit that himself. The idea that he wants to get involved on the front line of some militant action against the owners couldn't be further from the truth, but it suits the agenda of those prejudiced against him. I think he could pay more attention to how he's perceived because I think it interferes with his message that's actually been much more supportive of the new ownership than's been portrayed - I don't think he cares what people think of him a great deal though, which is undoubtedly to his detriment. If he wanted to be involved in the Trust I'm quite sure he'd have stood for board election, but he hasn't. What's beyond doubt though is that he has the club as his first priority. Anything else is a lazy caricature.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 2, 2014 17:36:45 GMT
Read it again webbo/offit2 or are you dyslexic?
I'll start you off shall I ......."I have never bought it but I am told from several fans........."
Obviously they have told me it's an uncomfortable read then elaborated on as to why.
I don't see what's hard to understand about that.
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