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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 20, 2024 13:32:27 GMT
Could end being a sell out but sadly many neutrals will be there as Wrexham fans.
My concern is seeing Wrexham fans in the home ends because how would the club know the difference between a day tripper who is showing up and a Wrexham fan?
Not with Wrexham fans obviously but they are going to sell out teh Valley next Saturday which is quite sad when we can't seem to fill it ourselves.
If we swapped stadiums for a season both would be full for home games!!! They would fill our's and we might just about fill theirs at a push.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Oct 20, 2024 13:35:40 GMT
Well Charlton away support has been very good since 2007.Lots of you tube people club may announce 26,000 next Saturday but maybe 23,000 actually there?.Or say 22,000 less then 20,000 actually at the Valley.
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 20, 2024 13:36:58 GMT
Apparently they haven’t even sold out the away end?
Either way, more bums on seats in the home end is great for us! You never know, some might return if the games any good. It’s easy to fall for Charlton!
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Post by valleydobson1 on Oct 20, 2024 13:39:57 GMT
Apparently they haven’t even sold out the away end? Either way, more bums on seats in the home end is great for us! You never know, some might return if the games any good. It’s easy to fall for Charlton! Think Wrexham have sold out. |
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Post by petetongthereturn on Oct 20, 2024 13:50:42 GMT
Will we be announcing our new celebrity face of the club that is rumoured ?
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Post by paulo on Oct 20, 2024 14:43:04 GMT
Will we be announcing our new celebrity face of the club that is rumoured ? Jim Davidson or Karl Howman? |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 20, 2024 15:43:21 GMT
Could end being a sell out but sadly many neutrals will be there as Wrexham fans. My concern is seeing Wrexham fans in the home ends because how would the club know the difference between a day tripper who is showing up and a Wrexham fan? Not with Wrexham fans obviously but they are going to sell out teh Valley next Saturday which is quite sad when we can't seem to fill it ourselves. If we swapped stadiums for a season both would be full for home games!!! They would fill our's and we might just about fill theirs at a push. To go from an average of 14,500 to a 20,000+ gate will always require a sold out away end plus loadsa neutrals, or lapse fans. But this is at full price, not discounted and may well require a serious amount of stewarding. The message a 22-23,000 crowd sends to the game, the owners, and our own fans is well worth it. Especially if it's a good game. And let's not forget three of their side used to play for us. Looking forward to this as a real test of where we are right now, in front of a big crowd... Some have had a moan about poor crowds of late so they can't have it both ways. It's gonna take time and gradual building to put us back to where we were ten years ago. |
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Post by clarky on Oct 20, 2024 20:33:44 GMT
Can't go next Saturday but as a season ticket holder my empty seat will still be counted. To be honest I am glad I won't be there because I am sick and tired of the razzmatazz that follows Wrexham, we seem to have joined that bandwagon and we didn't have that fuss with Birmingham who are a far bigger club. Don't get me wrong they have good ownership but at some point the bubble will burst and let's see where all the plastic followers are then
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Post by norfolkrobin on Oct 20, 2024 21:14:32 GMT
Will we be announcing our new celebrity face of the club that is rumoured ? Wasn't this the club announcing the watch along/live stream with Goldbridge? Can't believe CM mentioned it in that meeting,it's hardly Hollywood is it? Haha,I know it's not the point and may shed some light on us,but is he just associating himself with the current Wrexham bandwagon? I've enjoyed the Wrexham documentary,for me it's impossible to not feel some envy as the owners have made good on their words and backed it all up with action,while seeming to be respectful to that club's history/community......pretty much how you want owners to be. All that said,I'd LOVE to give them a hiding,and have our owners unveil Tom Cruise as our new co-owner LOL! Which one's more likely? Haha. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 21, 2024 9:40:35 GMT
Can't go next Saturday but as a season ticket holder my empty seat will still be counted. To be honest I am glad I won't be there because I am sick and tired of the razzmatazz that follows Wrexham, we seem to have joined that bandwagon and we didn't have that fuss with Birmingham who are a far bigger club. Don't get me wrong they have good ownership but at some point the bubble will burst and let's see where all the plastic followers are then I have read so many expert opinions on Wrexham on Charlton forums over the last six months and with the game coming up on Saturday, the cluelessness seems to have gathered pace. Reading some of the garbage written about them when to be honest Charlton fans haven't got a scoobydoo is laughable, and this is coming from somebody who lives there. Not aiming this at you Clarky but Wrexham have always had a decent fanbase but like all clubs attendances take a dip when the team are not performing or they just don't like how the club is being run. Charlton are a shining example of that. We are a shadow of the club we were. Celebrating a good performance against Stockport without actually winning the game is what we have sunk to. It's wrong to call their fans plasitcs. There are alot of hangers onner's due to the documentary and it's pathetic how all these Americans have come ot expressing their love for them claiming Wrexham are their club but the truth is, take them out of the equation and they would still average higher gates than we do selling to locals or at the very least fans from what is quite an expansive catchment area. Such is the demand for tickets season ticket holders do not have first dibbs on away tickets. They have a 40000 membership base and any of those can apply for one. They do this to give as many fans as possible an opportunity to watch them. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 21, 2024 9:59:43 GMT
Such is the demand for tickets season ticket holders do not have first dibbs on away tickets. They have a 40000 membership base and any of those can apply for one. They do this to give as many fans as possible an opportunity to watch them. I'd be very unhappy with that if I was a season ticket holder who went to away games. Loyalty doesn't mean anything to them then? Can you imagine the backlash if that was us? |
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 21, 2024 10:25:10 GMT
Apparently they haven’t even sold out the away end? Either way, more bums on seats in the home end is great for us! You never know, some might return if the games any good. It’s easy to fall for Charlton! Think Wrexham have sold out. If you go on their site, you can still buy away tickets for the game. So it doesn't look like they have sold out yet. Although they all look to be single tickets, no next to each other. So probably very few left. |
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Post by clarky on Oct 21, 2024 11:22:40 GMT
Can't go next Saturday but as a season ticket holder my empty seat will still be counted. To be honest I am glad I won't be there because I am sick and tired of the razzmatazz that follows Wrexham, we seem to have joined that bandwagon and we didn't have that fuss with Birmingham who are a far bigger club. Don't get me wrong they have good ownership but at some point the bubble will burst and let's see where all the plastic followers are then I have read so many expert opinions on Wrexham on Charlton forums over the last six months and with the game coming up on Saturday, the cluelessness seems to have gathered pace. Reading some of the garbage written about them when to be honest Charlton fans haven't got a scoobydoo is laughable, and this is coming from somebody who lives there. Not aiming this at you Clarky but Wrexham have always had a decent fanbase but like all clubs attendances take a dip when the team are not performing or they just don't like how the club is being run. Charlton are a shining example of that. We are a shadow of the club we were. Celebrating a good performance against Stockport without actually winning the game is what we have sunk to. It's wrong to call their fans plasitcs. There are alot of hangers onner's due to the documentary and it's pathetic how all these Americans have come ot expressing their love for them claiming Wrexham are their club but the truth is, take them out of the equation and they would still average higher gates than we do selling to locals or at the very least fans from what is quite an expansive catchment area. Such is the demand for tickets season ticket holders do not have first dibbs on away tickets. They have a 40000 membership base and any of those can apply for one. They do this to give as many fans as possible an opportunity to watch them. You make very fair points although you called them " hangers on" instead of "plastics" which amounts to the same group of followers (not supporters) in my book. And of course I was also making reference to the number that will increase crowd numbers on Saturday because of Wrexham whilst sitting in home seats rather than the proper supporters who turn up week in week out. I fully accept they have a large and proper fan base but if you wanted to support a decent Welsh club there are really only two with one of those being in the south so Wrexham is the only option for those in north Wales. If you compare our fan base we are up against just about every other London club that is either much bigger or in a higher league than us. Even when we were in the Premier league we only filled out because our own batch of plastic supporters who came because of the opposition and our status, and who soon disappeared on relegation. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Oct 21, 2024 12:37:39 GMT
I don't believe any Charlton supporters were genuinely celebrating a draw with Stockport; rather, they were being positive about the two consecutive good performances in the new formation. As for Wrexham, if I recall correctly, they have historically been a small club, and many individuals—whom I hesitate to call true football fans—seem to be attending primarily for a chance to catch a glimpse of Ryan Reynolds.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 21, 2024 13:05:00 GMT
Can't go next Saturday but as a season ticket holder my empty seat will still be counted. To be honest I am glad I won't be there because I am sick and tired of the razzmatazz that follows Wrexham, we seem to have joined that bandwagon and we didn't have that fuss with Birmingham who are a far bigger club. Don't get me wrong they have good ownership but at some point the bubble will burst and let's see where all the plastic followers are then I have read so many expert opinions on Wrexham on Charlton forums over the last six months and with the game coming up on Saturday, the cluelessness seems to have gathered pace. Reading some of the garbage written about them when to be honest Charlton fans haven't got a scoobydoo is laughable, and this is coming from somebody who lives there. Not aiming this at you Clarky but Wrexham have always had a decent fanbase but like all clubs attendances take a dip when the team are not performing or they just don't like how the club is being run. Charlton are a shining example of that. We are a shadow of the club we were. Celebrating a good performance against Stockport without actually winning the game is what we have sunk to. It's wrong to call their fans plasitcs. There are alot of hangers onner's due to the documentary and it's pathetic how all these Americans have come ot expressing their love for them claiming Wrexham are their club but the truth is, take them out of the equation and they would still average higher gates than we do selling to locals or at the very least fans from what is quite an expansive catchment area. Such is the demand for tickets season ticket holders do not have first dibbs on away tickets. They have a 40000 membership base and any of those can apply for one. They do this to give as many fans as possible an opportunity to watch them. To build Wrexham up from where they were to knocking on the door of the Championship is no mean feat. I for one was surprised at their last promotion AND hitting the ground running this season in League One. The fact is that they have the backing, the marketing skills AND they've made the right appointments on the ground. They got it right first time by appointing Phil Parkinson, whereas we've made all manner of appointments before landing Nathan Jones. The irony is that our average gates are higher than Wrexham now that they're growing again. But that's simply because of the limited capacity up there. Some will be envious because Wrexham currently have better chances of promotion to the Championship. But there are 12 clubs in the running this season. And it's up to the management and squad to ensure that we outcompete all those clubs who "only" get 9,000 fans every week. And it's up to the owners and SMT to supervise plus provide the finance to step up in 2025. We may be relieved at not losing to Stockport, but we've also taken huge strides towards joining the top six once again. We're within touching distance of our best finish since our promotion season six years ago. And that has to be worth another 1,000 or 2,000 on the gates. Decent performances and results this week will certainly advance our cause. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 21, 2024 13:52:52 GMT
I have read so many expert opinions on Wrexham on Charlton forums over the last six months and with the game coming up on Saturday, the cluelessness seems to have gathered pace. Reading some of the garbage written about them when to be honest Charlton fans haven't got a scoobydoo is laughable, and this is coming from somebody who lives there. Not aiming this at you Clarky but Wrexham have always had a decent fanbase but like all clubs attendances take a dip when the team are not performing or they just don't like how the club is being run. Charlton are a shining example of that. We are a shadow of the club we were. Celebrating a good performance against Stockport without actually winning the game is what we have sunk to. It's wrong to call their fans plasitcs. There are alot of hangers onner's due to the documentary and it's pathetic how all these Americans have come ot expressing their love for them claiming Wrexham are their club but the truth is, take them out of the equation and they would still average higher gates than we do selling to locals or at the very least fans from what is quite an expansive catchment area. Such is the demand for tickets season ticket holders do not have first dibbs on away tickets. They have a 40000 membership base and any of those can apply for one. They do this to give as many fans as possible an opportunity to watch them. To build Wrexham up from where they were to knocking on the door of the Championship is no mean feat. I for one was surprised at their last promotion AND hitting the ground running this season in League One. The fact is that they have the backing, the marketing skills AND they've made the right appointments on the ground. They got it right first time by appointing Phil Parkinson, whereas we've made all manner of appointments before landing Nathan Jones. The irony is that our average gates are higher than Wrexham now that they're growing again. But that's simply because of the limited capacity up there. Some will be envious because Wrexham currently have better chances of promotion to the Championship. But there are 12 clubs in the running this season. And it's up to the management and squad to ensure that we outcompete all those clubs who "only" get 9,000 fans every week. And it's up to the owners and SMT to supervise plus provide the finance to step up in 2025. We may be relieved at not losing to Stockport, but we've also taken huge strides towards joining the top six once again. We're within touching distance of our best finish since our promotion season six years ago. And that has to be worth another 1,000 or 2,000 on the gates. Decent performances and results this week will certainly advance our cause. Whilst I admire your optimism I don’t quite agree with the sentiments of your last two paragraphs……. The likes of Birmingham and Wrexham have created a buzz within those towns due to their owners investment in their squads and this is currently showing in the current league positions…the clubs are also benefitting from having full houses every home game because their fans can see the ambition shown to move their team up through the leagues….. Personally I can see Wrexham as a potential top 2 side , they know how to defend and win ugly away from home and have plenty of goals in them at home and the only time they have been beaten up this season was at St Andrew’s and there will be plenty of other teams suffering the same fate there by the end of the season We are currently half way up which is pretty true reflection of where we currently are as a club….yes we have played well against Bolton and Birmingham and deserved the points on Saturday but there have been plenty of other pretty average/ poor performances against mediocre teams like Bristol Rovers including three defeats on the run which puts us in our current position. Sorry but I just don’t see the huge strides which will turn us into a top 6 side and give us our best league position in years…..personally I don’t think we recruited enough quality in the summer especially in the creative midfield dept to warrant a potential top 6 side IMO……on Saturday without Jones in the side we gifted away a goal and then spent 80 odd minutes in pretty frantic fashion trying to turn the game around with very limited composure in front of goal including a situation where Leaburn who did exceptionally well when he came on but failed to look up on the byline and just place a pretty simple four yard pass to a completely unmarked Godden waiting to tap it in and give us the three points..it was all pretty frantic, chasing the game style of football without a clinical look about us, I didn’t really think during those last 15/20 minutes that we would grab the winner and sure enough we didn’t……….…..instead we had to settle for a point against one of the most limited sides that have come to the Valley in a while…..that’s not promotion potential football.. We rely very heavily on decent individuals and without the likes of Ramsay and Jones at the back unfortunately I can see us conceding more goals again like we did on Saturday especially if we have Gillesphey playing in a four……We also dont really look dangerous going forward until Jones brings off his mates in Docherty and Campbell plays TC wide and brings on Leaburn and Berry…..so how about we try this from a beginning of a game……. You mention adding investment and putting another 2000 on the gate well we could have done this in the summer when there was talk of quality players earmarked to come in but they all seemed to sign for our competitors and the recruitment drive seemed to dry up come July….so I am not sure why we would expect anything different in the January market…. Again I say I admire your positive spin on things after watching the first quarter of the season I just think we are going round and round in circles in league one…..We May look fabulous in a one off against Birmingham and then lose three on the spin to pretty mediocre sides, that to me is not promotion potential material…..but hey ho as always sincerely hope i am proven wrong and we go on a long undefeated run……. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 21, 2024 15:18:41 GMT
To build Wrexham up from where they were to knocking on the door of the Championship is no mean feat. I for one was surprised at their last promotion AND hitting the ground running this season in League One. The fact is that they have the backing, the marketing skills AND they've made the right appointments on the ground. They got it right first time by appointing Phil Parkinson, whereas we've made all manner of appointments before landing Nathan Jones. The irony is that our average gates are higher than Wrexham now that they're growing again. But that's simply because of the limited capacity up there. Some will be envious because Wrexham currently have better chances of promotion to the Championship. But there are 12 clubs in the running this season. And it's up to the management and squad to ensure that we outcompete all those clubs who "only" get 9,000 fans every week. And it's up to the owners and SMT to supervise plus provide the finance to step up in 2025. We may be relieved at not losing to Stockport, but we've also taken huge strides towards joining the top six once again. We're within touching distance of our best finish since our promotion season six years ago. And that has to be worth another 1,000 or 2,000 on the gates. Decent performances and results this week will certainly advance our cause. Whilst I admire your optimism I don’t quite agree with the sentiments of your last two paragraphs……. The likes of Birmingham and Wrexham have created a buzz within those towns due to their owners investment in their squads and this is currently showing in the current league positions…the clubs are also benefitting from having full houses every home game because their fans can see the ambition shown to move their team up through the leagues….. Personally I can see Wrexham as a potential top 2 side , they know how to defend and win ugly away from home and have plenty of goals in them at home and the only time they have been beaten up this season was at St Andrew’s and there will be plenty of other teams suffering the same fate there by the end of the season We are currently half way up which is pretty true reflection of where we currently are as a club….yes we have played well against Bolton and Birmingham and deserved the points on Saturday but there have been plenty of other pretty average/ poor performances against mediocre teams like Bristol Rovers including three defeats on the run which puts us in our current position. Sorry but I just don’t see the huge strides which will turn us into a top 6 side and give us our best league position in years…..personally I don’t think we recruited enough quality in the summer especially in the creative midfield dept to warrant a potential top 6 side IMO……on Saturday without Jones in the side we gifted away a goal and then spent 80 odd minutes in pretty frantic fashion trying to turn the game around with very limited composure in front of goal including a situation where Leaburn who did exceptionally well when he came on but failed to look up on the byline and just place a pretty simple four yard pass to a completely unmarked Godden waiting to tap it in and give us the three points..it was all pretty frantic, chasing the game style of football without a clinical look about us, I didn’t really think during those last 15/20 minutes that we would grab the winner and sure enough we didn’t……….…..instead we had to settle for a point against one of the most limited sides that have come to the Valley in a while…..that’s not promotion potential football.. We rely very heavily on decent individuals and without the likes of Ramsay and Jones at the back unfortunately I can see us conceding more goals again like we did on Saturday especially if we have Gillesphey playing in a four……We also dont really look dangerous going forward until Jones brings off his mates in Docherty and Campbell plays TC wide and brings on Leaburn and Berry…..so how about we try this from a beginning of a game……. You mention adding investment and putting another 2000 on the gate well we could have done this in the summer when there was talk of quality players earmarked to come in but they all seemed to sign for our competitors and the recruitment drive seemed to dry up come July….so I am not sure why we would expect anything different in the January market…. Again I say I admire your positive spin on things after watching the first quarter of the season I just think we are going round and round in circles in league one…..We May look fabulous in a one off against Birmingham and then lose three on the spin to pretty mediocre sides, that to me is not promotion potential material…..but hey ho as always sincerely hope i am proven wrong and we go on a long undefeated run……. Anybody can see Wrexham as a top two side because they are currently second in the table. Charlton are currently just one point behind sixth place Huddersfield and yet you can't see us outperforming the competition by two points over the next 35 games. It's as if you see no difference to last season... or the season before that... or... And we should also note that we've secured our 17 points with Miles Leaburn playing just one hour of football over those 11 games. Where we might agree is that losing both Ramsay and Jones to injury won't help for this next tranche of games. And that there are open questions about the best personnel and formation for the kick-off. Tyreece Campbell is obviously a winger, and these ex-Luton players are a mystery to us! Some of the time they deliver, whereas at others they are a tad meh. One can always look back and state we could have done x, y or z, but we are where we are. The fact is that NJ has been with us for just nine months. That happens to be the average tenure of a Charlton boss over the last decade, but somehow this time it's different. He's obviously going to make it through the January window, and there is plenty of opportunity to improve the players he inherited plus those acquired over the summer, plus the way that they are utilised. Is it nailed on that we finish 6th? No, but we are the eighth or ninth favourites with the bookies. Let's see how this week and the November games go and then revisit a review of our performances and possible outcomes. And yes, it will always be up to the owners, SMT and football management to improve our chances every window. Whether they do or not is a separate question. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 21, 2024 15:41:52 GMT
Whilst I admire your optimism I don’t quite agree with the sentiments of your last two paragraphs……. The likes of Birmingham and Wrexham have created a buzz within those towns due to their owners investment in their squads and this is currently showing in the current league positions…the clubs are also benefitting from having full houses every home game because their fans can see the ambition shown to move their team up through the leagues….. Personally I can see Wrexham as a potential top 2 side , they know how to defend and win ugly away from home and have plenty of goals in them at home and the only time they have been beaten up this season was at St Andrew’s and there will be plenty of other teams suffering the same fate there by the end of the season We are currently half way up which is pretty true reflection of where we currently are as a club….yes we have played well against Bolton and Birmingham and deserved the points on Saturday but there have been plenty of other pretty average/ poor performances against mediocre teams like Bristol Rovers including three defeats on the run which puts us in our current position. Sorry but I just don’t see the huge strides which will turn us into a top 6 side and give us our best league position in years…..personally I don’t think we recruited enough quality in the summer especially in the creative midfield dept to warrant a potential top 6 side IMO……on Saturday without Jones in the side we gifted away a goal and then spent 80 odd minutes in pretty frantic fashion trying to turn the game around with very limited composure in front of goal including a situation where Leaburn who did exceptionally well when he came on but failed to look up on the byline and just place a pretty simple four yard pass to a completely unmarked Godden waiting to tap it in and give us the three points..it was all pretty frantic, chasing the game style of football without a clinical look about us, I didn’t really think during those last 15/20 minutes that we would grab the winner and sure enough we didn’t……….…..instead we had to settle for a point against one of the most limited sides that have come to the Valley in a while…..that’s not promotion potential football.. We rely very heavily on decent individuals and without the likes of Ramsay and Jones at the back unfortunately I can see us conceding more goals again like we did on Saturday especially if we have Gillesphey playing in a four……We also dont really look dangerous going forward until Jones brings off his mates in Docherty and Campbell plays TC wide and brings on Leaburn and Berry…..so how about we try this from a beginning of a game……. You mention adding investment and putting another 2000 on the gate well we could have done this in the summer when there was talk of quality players earmarked to come in but they all seemed to sign for our competitors and the recruitment drive seemed to dry up come July….so I am not sure why we would expect anything different in the January market…. Again I say I admire your positive spin on things after watching the first quarter of the season I just think we are going round and round in circles in league one…..We May look fabulous in a one off against Birmingham and then lose three on the spin to pretty mediocre sides, that to me is not promotion potential material…..but hey ho as always sincerely hope i am proven wrong and we go on a long undefeated run……. Anybody can see Wrexham as a top two side because they are currently second in the table. Charlton are currently just one point behind sixth place Huddersfield and yet you can't see us outperforming the competition by two points over the next 35 games. It's as if you see no difference to last season... or the season before that... or... And we should also note that we've secured our 17 points with Miles Leaburn playing just one hour of football over those 11 games. Where we might agree is that losing both Ramsay and Jones to injury won't help for this next tranche of games. And that there are open questions about the best personnel and formation for the kick-off. Tyreece Campbell is obviously a winger, and these ex-Luton players are a mystery to us! Some of the time they deliver, whereas at others they are a tad meh. One can always look back and state we could have done x, y or z, but we are where we are. The fact is that NJ has been with us for just nine months. That happens to be the average tenure of a Charlton boss over the last decade, but somehow this time it's different. He's obviously going to make it through the January window, and there is plenty of opportunity to improve the players he inherited plus those acquired over the summer, plus the way that they are utilised. Is it nailed on that we finish 6th? No, but we are the eighth or ninth favourites with the bookies. Let's see how this week and the November games go and then revisit a review of our performances and possible outcomes. And yes, it will always be up to the owners, SMT and football management to improve our chances every window. Whether they do or not is a separate question. I don’t just see Wrexham as a top 2 side simply because they are currently in 2nd place…….The basics of getting out of league one is to not concede many, win away ugly at times away from home and have your home ground a bit of a fortress……they have been ticking all these boxes over the last few seasons and continue to keep this trait up in league one hence where they are currently in the league and they show no signs of letting up with this pattern 8th or 9th favourites to go up…..yes I make that about right…..We don’t have enough goals in this side firstly to be top six and rely very heavily on key players like Jones and Ramsay and we simply dont have adequate replacements for when they are injured so I worry about our defensive frailty especially away from home…We we’re piss poor defensively in our last away game…...We shall see how we get on defensively against Barnsley and Wrexham without Jones and Ramsay…. Do I think we have improved from last year, yes I do but that wasn’t too difficult with the likes of Hector, Thomas, Watson and our two previous keepers providing weekly defensive calamities…. We have probably gone from a 12th place side last season to a 9th place side……small steps and all that…….maybe next summer we will bring in the real quality to challenge for top 6 instead of these players all joining our competitors…… Just my opinion…..it may be a negative one but I admire your positive spin on things…even if I don’t particularly agree with it…… |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 21, 2024 16:29:26 GMT
Anybody can see Wrexham as a top two side because they are currently second in the table. Charlton are currently just one point behind sixth place Huddersfield and yet you can't see us outperforming the competition by two points over the next 35 games. It's as if you see no difference to last season... or the season before that... or... And we should also note that we've secured our 17 points with Miles Leaburn playing just one hour of football over those 11 games. Where we might agree is that losing both Ramsay and Jones to injury won't help for this next tranche of games. And that there are open questions about the best personnel and formation for the kick-off. Tyreece Campbell is obviously a winger, and these ex-Luton players are a mystery to us! Some of the time they deliver, whereas at others they are a tad meh. One can always look back and state we could have done x, y or z, but we are where we are. The fact is that NJ has been with us for just nine months. That happens to be the average tenure of a Charlton boss over the last decade, but somehow this time it's different. He's obviously going to make it through the January window, and there is plenty of opportunity to improve the players he inherited plus those acquired over the summer, plus the way that they are utilised. Is it nailed on that we finish 6th? No, but we are the eighth or ninth favourites with the bookies. Let's see how this week and the November games go and then revisit a review of our performances and possible outcomes. And yes, it will always be up to the owners, SMT and football management to improve our chances every window. Whether they do or not is a separate question. I don’t just see Wrexham as a top 2 side simply because they are currently in 2nd place…….The basics of getting out of league one is to not concede many, win away ugly at times away from home and have your home ground a bit of a fortress……they have been ticking all these boxes over the last few seasons and continue to keep this trait up in league one hence where they are currently in the league and they show no signs of letting up with this pattern 8th or 9th favourites to go up…..yes I make that about right…..We don’t have enough goals in this side firstly to be top six and rely very heavily on key players like Jones and Ramsay and we simply dont have adequate replacements for when they are injured so I worry about our defensive frailty especially away from home…We we’re piss poor defensively in our last away game…...We shall see how we get on defensively against Barnsley and Wrexham without Jones and Ramsay…. Do I think we have improved from last year, yes I do but that wasn’t too difficult with the likes of Hector, Thomas, Watson and our two previous keepers providing weekly defensive calamities…. We have probably gone from a 12th place side last season to a 9th place side……small steps and all that…….maybe next summer we will bring in the real quality to challenge for top 6 instead of these players all joining our competitors…… Just my opinion…..it may be a negative one but I admire your positive spin on things…even if I don’t particularly agree with it…… I'd say that we were 10th place under Jones last season once he took over and now around 8th best, so we're not a million miles apart on perception. And we've done that with Miles Leaburn only playing an hour plus that 5-3-2 for nine games which failed to yield nearly enough chances. Some very dire first half performances but we've made it here in one piece. All I would add is that it's a long old season of 46 games, with a large number of clubs capable of securing 77 points by the end. Where many differ is on our immediate prospects over the next ten games. That recent poll showed a 50:50 split of IttV members between a top six place at the halfway point as opposed to mid-table as you predict. These next couple of games will inform us all. I have to say I'm looking forwards to Leaburn going up against O'Connell as that's only going one way  |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Oct 21, 2024 17:28:30 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 21, 2024 22:03:35 GMT
I have read so many expert opinions on Wrexham on Charlton forums over the last six months and with the game coming up on Saturday, the cluelessness seems to have gathered pace. Reading some of the garbage written about them when to be honest Charlton fans haven't got a scoobydoo is laughable, and this is coming from somebody who lives there. Not aiming this at you Clarky but Wrexham have always had a decent fanbase but like all clubs attendances take a dip when the team are not performing or they just don't like how the club is being run. Charlton are a shining example of that. We are a shadow of the club we were. Celebrating a good performance against Stockport without actually winning the game is what we have sunk to. It's wrong to call their fans plasitcs. There are alot of hangers onner's due to the documentary and it's pathetic how all these Americans have come ot expressing their love for them claiming Wrexham are their club but the truth is, take them out of the equation and they would still average higher gates than we do selling to locals or at the very least fans from what is quite an expansive catchment area. Such is the demand for tickets season ticket holders do not have first dibbs on away tickets. They have a 40000 membership base and any of those can apply for one. They do this to give as many fans as possible an opportunity to watch them. You make very fair points although you called them " hangers on" instead of "plastics" which amounts to the same group of followers (not supporters) in my book. And of course I was also making reference to the number that will increase crowd numbers on Saturday because of Wrexham whilst sitting in home seats rather than the proper supporters who turn up week in week out. I fully accept they have a large and proper fan base but if you wanted to support a decent Welsh club there are really only two with one of those being in the south so Wrexham is the only option for those in north Wales. If you compare our fan base we are up against just about every other London club that is either much bigger or in a higher league than us. Even when we were in the Premier league we only filled out because our own batch of plastic supporters who came because of the opposition and our status, and who soon disappeared on relegation. My Dad has represented the four Welsh clubs. Played for Wrexhan and Swansea, managed Cardiff and Newport. Saying there are only two clubs is extremely naive. Wrexham's history matches both. League titles and great European nights. You are very much mistaken my friend. If fans up here wanted to support another clubs there are six in the EPL that range from 40 minutes to 90 minutes away. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 21, 2024 22:05:30 GMT
I don't believe any Charlton supporters were genuinely celebrating a draw with Stockport; rather, they were being positive about the two consecutive good performances in the new formation. As for Wrexham, if I recall correctly, they have historically been a small club, and many individuals—whom I hesitate to call true football fans—seem to be attending primarily for a chance to catch a glimpse of Ryan Reynolds. I very much doubt he will be there. Rarely is 80% of the time. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 21, 2024 22:09:52 GMT
Whilst I admire your optimism I don’t quite agree with the sentiments of your last two paragraphs……. The likes of Birmingham and Wrexham have created a buzz within those towns due to their owners investment in their squads and this is currently showing in the current league positions…the clubs are also benefitting from having full houses every home game because their fans can see the ambition shown to move their team up through the leagues….. Personally I can see Wrexham as a potential top 2 side , they know how to defend and win ugly away from home and have plenty of goals in them at home and the only time they have been beaten up this season was at St Andrew’s and there will be plenty of other teams suffering the same fate there by the end of the season We are currently half way up which is pretty true reflection of where we currently are as a club….yes we have played well against Bolton and Birmingham and deserved the points on Saturday but there have been plenty of other pretty average/ poor performances against mediocre teams like Bristol Rovers including three defeats on the run which puts us in our current position. Sorry but I just don’t see the huge strides which will turn us into a top 6 side and give us our best league position in years…..personally I don’t think we recruited enough quality in the summer especially in the creative midfield dept to warrant a potential top 6 side IMO……on Saturday without Jones in the side we gifted away a goal and then spent 80 odd minutes in pretty frantic fashion trying to turn the game around with very limited composure in front of goal including a situation where Leaburn who did exceptionally well when he came on but failed to look up on the byline and just place a pretty simple four yard pass to a completely unmarked Godden waiting to tap it in and give us the three points..it was all pretty frantic, chasing the game style of football without a clinical look about us, I didn’t really think during those last 15/20 minutes that we would grab the winner and sure enough we didn’t……….…..instead we had to settle for a point against one of the most limited sides that have come to the Valley in a while…..that’s not promotion potential football.. We rely very heavily on decent individuals and without the likes of Ramsay and Jones at the back unfortunately I can see us conceding more goals again like we did on Saturday especially if we have Gillesphey playing in a four……We also dont really look dangerous going forward until Jones brings off his mates in Docherty and Campbell plays TC wide and brings on Leaburn and Berry…..so how about we try this from a beginning of a game……. You mention adding investment and putting another 2000 on the gate well we could have done this in the summer when there was talk of quality players earmarked to come in but they all seemed to sign for our competitors and the recruitment drive seemed to dry up come July….so I am not sure why we would expect anything different in the January market…. Again I say I admire your positive spin on things after watching the first quarter of the season I just think we are going round and round in circles in league one…..We May look fabulous in a one off against Birmingham and then lose three on the spin to pretty mediocre sides, that to me is not promotion potential material…..but hey ho as always sincerely hope i am proven wrong and we go on a long undefeated run……. Anybody can see Wrexham as a top two side because they are currently second in the table. Charlton are currently just one point behind sixth place Huddersfield and yet you can't see us outperforming the competition by two points over the next 35 games. It's as if you see no difference to last season... or the season before that... or... And we should also note that we've secured our 17 points with Miles Leaburn playing just one hour of football over those 11 games. Where we might agree is that losing both Ramsay and Jones to injury won't help for this next tranche of games. And that there are open questions about the best personnel and formation for the kick-off. Tyreece Campbell is obviously a winger, and these ex-Luton players are a mystery to us! Some of the time they deliver, whereas at others they are a tad meh. One can always look back and state we could have done x, y or z, but we are where we are. The fact is that NJ has been with us for just nine months. That happens to be the average tenure of a Charlton boss over the last decade, but somehow this time it's different. He's obviously going to make it through the January window, and there is plenty of opportunity to improve the players he inherited plus those acquired over the summer, plus the way that they are utilised. Is it nailed on that we finish 6th? No, but we are the eighth or ninth favourites with the bookies. Let's see how this week and the November games go and then revisit a review of our performances and possible outcomes. And yes, it will always be up to the owners, SMT and football management to improve our chances every window. Whether they do or not is a separate question. Wrexham haven't been out of the top six after 10 games for three seasons running and once in they stayed there finishing 1st or 2nd. |
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Post by joan on Oct 22, 2024 9:30:42 GMT
I don't believe any Charlton supporters were genuinely celebrating a draw with Stockport; rather, they were being positive about the two consecutive good performances in the new formation. As for Wrexham, if I recall correctly, they have historically been a small club, and many individuals—whom I hesitate to call true football fans—seem to be attending primarily for a chance to catch a glimpse of Ryan Reynolds. I very much doubt he will be there. Rarely is 80% of the time. More like 95% - he and the other one are clearly getting bored |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 22, 2024 9:45:19 GMT
Great to pass 20,000 The article on the official site suggests some blocks in upper covered end and lower West selling out. At this point certain fans even count the seats left available! We can expect the club to sell between 500 and 1,000 a day up until the game so it will certainly be a huge crowd. |
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Post by clarky on Oct 22, 2024 11:24:14 GMT
You make very fair points although you called them " hangers on" instead of "plastics" which amounts to the same group of followers (not supporters) in my book. And of course I was also making reference to the number that will increase crowd numbers on Saturday because of Wrexham whilst sitting in home seats rather than the proper supporters who turn up week in week out. I fully accept they have a large and proper fan base but if you wanted to support a decent Welsh club there are really only two with one of those being in the south so Wrexham is the only option for those in north Wales. If you compare our fan base we are up against just about every other London club that is either much bigger or in a higher league than us. Even when we were in the Premier league we only filled out because our own batch of plastic supporters who came because of the opposition and our status, and who soon disappeared on relegation. My Dad has represented the four Welsh clubs. Played for Wrexhan and Swansea, managed Cardiff and Newport. Saying there are only two clubs is extremely naive. Wrexham's history matches both. League titles and great European nights. You are very much mistaken my friend. If fans up here wanted to support another clubs there are six in the EPL that range from 40 minutes to 90 minutes away. Fair enough, you can talk me into adding Swansea to the list, but are they really a bigger club than even Charlton? However, as naive as I might be I can't add the mighty Newport to the debate. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Oct 22, 2024 14:18:24 GMT
many individuals—whom I hesitate to call true football fans—seem to be attending primarily for a chance to catch a glimpse of Ryan Reynolds. I very much doubt he will be there. Rarely is 80% of the time. To be fair, of all Wrexham's away games this season, a Saturday afternoon in Charlton is one of the most likely for RR to attend. I don't know what he's filming at the moment, but there's a fair chance it's in the London area (the world's second biggest English language movie hub after LA/Hollywood with Disney/Marvel renting half of Pinewood and Amazon MGM and Netflix having 30+ sound stages between them at Shepperton) or somewhere like Hungary/Czechia (a short hop by private jet to London City Airport). Throw in the fact that we have some of the best facilities (re corporate lounges/boxes etc) in the division and if Reynolds is on this side of the pond I'd be very surprised if he's not there on Saturday. |
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Post by lewisham on Oct 22, 2024 16:59:30 GMT
I'm not into all this Wrexham hating business all over the country. They've been through some tough times and have fallen on their feet, good luck to 'em. We've been crying out for someone to take us over and do a similar job as the Hollywood boys have done. Not a club or fan base in the country that wouldn't be overjoyed for the same. All a bit of jealousy if you ask me. Hope we stuff 'em just as much as I do any other club
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