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Post by revilo on Sept 28, 2024 16:05:47 GMT
Starting this thread early but can see it becoming popular as time goes on.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 28, 2024 16:10:01 GMT
Should be Global Partners out first 😆
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Post by eric on Sept 28, 2024 16:13:54 GMT
I would drive Jones to Cardiff myself , his football is boring and outdated . He handpicked most of these Luton rejects . It’s on him .
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 28, 2024 16:21:24 GMT
Nah not for me. This knee jerk stuff has to stop, it’s been terrible but we need a bit of consistency. See this shite run out and get cracking properly.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 28, 2024 16:28:06 GMT
Nah not for me. This knee jerk stuff has to stop, it’s been terrible but we need a bit of consistency. See this shite run out and get cracking properly. I've got news: this is the way Jones sets his teams up to play, so except it now and the disappointment won't be as bad. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 28, 2024 16:29:05 GMT
I would drive Jones to Cardiff myself , his football is boring and outdated . He handpicked most of these Luton rejects . It’s on him . Extremely outdated and very predictable. I said a few games ago it won't be long before the 1-0 wins turn to 1-0 defeats Feel sorry for Leaburn because with Edwards back the pressure is building on him to turn things around. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 28, 2024 16:33:33 GMT
Nah not for me. This knee jerk stuff has to stop, it’s been terrible but we need a bit of consistency. See this shite run out and get cracking properly. I've got news: this is the way Jones sets his teams up to play, so except it now and the disappointment won't be as bad. That’s right but it has proved successful before and with the right players it’ll be successful again. I just don’t think it’s time to pack him off. Give the fella a full season at least. He’s a winner and actually gives a shit. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 28, 2024 16:41:32 GMT
Nah not for me. This knee jerk stuff has to stop, it’s been terrible but we need a bit of consistency. See this shite run out and get cracking properly. How do you see the shite run ending mate when the squad is as weak as it is? I know we have strikers to come back but the creativity is non-existent. No Charlton manager has ever built a midfield as bad as the one we have now and NJ is solely responsible for that. He has created a rod for his own back by bringing in players to fit into a system that just isn't working. His system may have worked for him once upon a time but he had far better players to execute it than he has at his disposal now. We have some desperate footballers in the squad and even when we were winning the football was still poor. I really struggle to understand how we improve. Six goals in 8 games is a shocking return and that is in the third tier of English football. We are not even going close to being a good side or top half. |
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Post by geronimo on Sept 28, 2024 16:42:49 GMT
Starting this thread early but can see it becoming popular as time goes on. 14 games last year plus and 8 plus this year. It has all been so dull. Players like Small shine one day and hide the next. The midfield is an aged Luton B team from way back and still think they should be on a good screw. The forwards are on strike and there is no creativity. It isn’t a recent thing. Wigan missed two guilt chances because of Ramsey and he saved a point against Rotherham who incidentally are rubbish and should have beaten us. We have spent a million on Ahadme who nobody noticed much last year. Kanu is half the player he was. Aneke is really stealing a living and we are hoping Leaburn might not get injured again . Where the optimism on CL coes from I don't know. I don't know why Taylor isn't playing or why Edun isn't on the bench. Literally only Jones knows that. How come Blackpool can be turned immediately into world beaters by Bruce, of all people and we with all our sophisticated back room can't see we haven't e en got a player who can kick a dead ball. I thought that should be a prerequisite for being a pro football player. Like not being colour blind is for an electrician. Our free kicks are shocking. How can they be so dogshite awful after practicing all week. Do they practice to get the first man , or, not practice at all. If this is the result of dedicated hard work how bad would they be without such dedication. |
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Post by geronimo on Sept 28, 2024 16:44:40 GMT
I would drive Jones to Cardiff myself , his football is boring and outdated . He handpicked most of these Luton rejects . It’s on him . You and me both. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 28, 2024 17:55:23 GMT
Nah not for me. This knee jerk stuff has to stop, it’s been terrible but we need a bit of consistency. See this shite run out and get cracking properly. How do you see the shite run ending mate when the squad is as weak as it is? I know we have strikers to come back but the creativity is non-existent. No Charlton manager has ever built a midfield as bad as the one we have now and NJ is solely responsible for that. He has created a rod for his own back by bringing in players to fit into a system that just isn't working. His system may have worked for him once upon a time but he had far better players to execute it than he has at his disposal now. We have some desperate footballers in the squad and even when we were winning the football was still poor. I really struggle to understand how we improve. Six goals in 8 games is a shocking return and that is in the third tier of English football. We are not even going close to being a good side or top half. At this level you’ve got to take a chance on players and I think the club and Jones has every right to be fuming with Coventry, Docherty and Berry. They as a club, have weighed it up and taken a chance on 3 players who, on paper, should be offering a lot more. I think Coventry should be pulling the strings a lot more and Docherty is supposed to be box to box!? No getting away from the fact we’ve been terrible but surely pulling the trigger again ain’t the answer!? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 28, 2024 18:14:15 GMT
Im not for sacking him. All I want is new owners to come along, sack Andy Scott and do things properly from that moment on.
NJ hasn't had anything near enough backing financially and any owners who are not prepared to do that are not here for the benefit of the football club.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 28, 2024 18:21:35 GMT
Surely Jones can deploy a system to encourage pass and move and create triangles through the middle of the park when we have possession? We haven't got any midfielders who can dribble or have pace, but a start would be to bring in Taylor, who is arguably our best set-piece taker and forward-passing midfielder. I'd rather see my side trying to play football rather than the complete and utter dross currently being served up.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 28, 2024 18:30:17 GMT
How long have I been saying all of what I am reading on here today? I saw it a mile off even when we were winning.
It's not like I didn't warn you of the pattern that was materialising and I take no pleasure or satisfaction out of saying that.
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Post by revilo on Sept 28, 2024 19:29:48 GMT
Nah not for me. This knee jerk stuff has to stop, it’s been terrible but we need a bit of consistency. See this shite run out and get cracking properly. I see what you're saying mate, but even we know that Taylor and Edun should be given an opportunity instead of the same ex Luton players who are past it. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 28, 2024 20:58:07 GMT
A good manager would have seen he had the top goal scorer in the league and managed the team around that player but no he buggered him about last season and virtually showed him the door and replaced him with two strikers who look incapable of getting 15 goals between them let alone 20 +. The midfield recruitment is an absolute disgrace and with no creativity amongst any of them you really can't see how this can end well.
Said it before and will repeat myself, I would take last seasons team with the added additions of Mannion, Edward and Mitchell, the rest aren't any better than the players we lost.
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Post by cedric on Sept 28, 2024 21:03:34 GMT
I wonder how many mirrors the club has broken since the 2019 promotion. We have been sliding bit by bit into the abyss since 2020- there have been a few false dawns and this one is looking like it too. I agree with Reams when he says (quite rightly - ‘how exactly will this improve when we are this weak ‘ Spot on
Absolutely nothing indicates that it will improve. The owners are absent Americans that don’t give 2 shits and everything seems to be about “the brand” and various other off pitch gimmicks- there is no point having a bloody fan zone and all the other shite if the product on the pitch is a steaming turd- and frankly it is.
How much more of this deterioration can the fan base reasonably expect to tolerate?
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Post by clarky on Sept 28, 2024 21:11:02 GMT
As things stand we are just as likely to go down as go up, and frankly that simply is no where near good enough.
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Post by joeblack on Sept 29, 2024 5:00:13 GMT
I don't want to go over old ground forever, but the moment Jones decided he didn't need the leading scorer in league 1, and offloaded him to a rival, he set up a pointless rod for his own back.
Yesterday showed the paucity of our options. Kanu needed loaning out but played 80+ minutes. Coventry is a neat footballer but his set pieces were dire. Our midfield is defined by the word meh. And our entire squad prefer a safe backward pass than trying to create attacking threat.
It's all so mediocre. As ever, if we win, that outweighs the football. But when we lose, its draining to watch such dross. Football is about winning first and foremost. I hope I am wrong but this squad will never do that enough to satisfy.
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Post by manikin on Sept 29, 2024 10:28:43 GMT
It's obvious the owners should take a huge chunk of the blame for the position we are in, total lack of real investment in the team. However I am totally dissolutioned with NJ, from the start of this season there has been a total lack of any idea of constructive attacking play, midfield totally out of balance and persisting with players who are clearly not up to the mark. But his team selections over the last two matches really has been mind boggling. The ommission of Mitchell against Blackpool, the total disregard of the abilities of Taylor, especially when we need a dead ball specialist, and why wasn't Edun and Dixon on the bench yesterday.
When Jones was appointed I thought he was the man for the job, how wrong I was. I can stand us losing when we play well, but this boring hoofball is the worst football I think I seen us play in a lifetime of supporting the club. If he doesn't change things we will soon be recording the lowest gates in our history.
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 29, 2024 10:50:12 GMT
It's obvious the owners should take a huge chunk of the blame for the position we are in, total lack of real investment in the team. However I am totally dissolutioned with NJ, from the start of this season there has been a total lack of any idea of constructive attacking play, midfield totally out of balance and persisting with players who are clearly not up to the mark. But his team selections over the last two matches really has been mind boggling. The ommission of Mitchell against Blackpool, the total disregard of the abilities of Taylor, especially when we need a dead ball specialist, and why wasn't Edun and Dixon on the bench yesterday. When Jones was appointed I thought he was the man for the job, how wrong I was. I can stand us losing when we play well, but this boring hoofball is the worst football I think I seen us play in a lifetime of supporting the club. If he doesn't change things we will soon be recording the lowest gates in our history. The midfield 3 have definitely been off it so far but offered the chance of signing Coventry, Berry and Docherty I think we’d all go for it. The only reason o say that is, they can’t be as bad as they’ve looked. Surely just a form thing at the moment? Must admit, I’m not a Taylor fan but it’s time to give him a fair crack I think. |
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Post by manikin on Sept 29, 2024 10:56:04 GMT
It's obvious the owners should take a huge chunk of the blame for the position we are in, total lack of real investment in the team. However I am totally dissolutioned with NJ, from the start of this season there has been a total lack of any idea of constructive attacking play, midfield totally out of balance and persisting with players who are clearly not up to the mark. But his team selections over the last two matches really has been mind boggling. The ommission of Mitchell against Blackpool, the total disregard of the abilities of Taylor, especially when we need a dead ball specialist, and why wasn't Edun and Dixon on the bench yesterday. When Jones was appointed I thought he was the man for the job, how wrong I was. I can stand us losing when we play well, but this boring hoofball is the worst football I think I seen us play in a lifetime of supporting the club. If he doesn't change things we will soon be recording the lowest gates in our history. The midfield 3 have definitely been off it so far but offered the chance of signing Coventry, Berry and Docherty I think we’d all go for it. The only reason o say that is, they can’t be as bad as they’ve looked. Surely just a form thing at the moment? Must admit, I’m not a Taylor fan but it’s time to give him a fair crack I think. No one in midfield can loosely be described as a playmaker, but that's down to a lack of investment, quality like that doesn't come cheap. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Sept 29, 2024 10:58:30 GMT
It's obvious the owners should take a huge chunk of the blame for the position we are in, total lack of real investment in the team. However I am totally dissolutioned with NJ, from the start of this season there has been a total lack of any idea of constructive attacking play, midfield totally out of balance and persisting with players who are clearly not up to the mark. But his team selections over the last two matches really has been mind boggling. The ommission of Mitchell against Blackpool, the total disregard of the abilities of Taylor, especially when we need a dead ball specialist, and why wasn't Edun and Dixon on the bench yesterday. When Jones was appointed I thought he was the man for the job, how wrong I was. I can stand us losing when we play well, but this boring hoofball is the worst football I think I seen us play in a lifetime of supporting the club. If he doesn't change things we will soon be recording the lowest gates in our history. The midfield 3 have definitely been off it so far but offered the chance of signing Coventry, Berry and Docherty I think we’d all go for it. The only reason o say that is, they can’t be as bad as they’ve looked. Surely just a form thing at the moment? Must admit, I’m not a Taylor fan but it’s time to give him a fair crack I think. I don't think we have seen enough of a fit Terry Taylor, to make a judgement. I think it's about time we did. Amazing how much better and slimmer Albie Morgan looked last week, and did the simple things, pass and move. He has stopped looking for a Hollywood ball once a game and standing and admiring it.. Maybe Terry Taylor could do similar?. He at the very least deserves a chance.. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 29, 2024 11:15:07 GMT
The midfield 3 have definitely been off it so far but offered the chance of signing Coventry, Berry and Docherty I think we’d all go for it. The only reason o say that is, they can’t be as bad as they’ve looked. Surely just a form thing at the moment? Must admit, I’m not a Taylor fan but it’s time to give him a fair crack I think. No one in midfield can loosely be described as a playmaker, but that's down to a lack of investment, quality like that doesn't come cheap. What exactly is a playmaker these days? Someone who can pick a pass and open teams up from a deeper position? Someone who can jink past people and cause problems in the final third? Coventry had a rep for picking a pass before he came to us as did Taylor, perhaps the lack of movement up top is causing issues? Matt Godden makes some smart runs, maybe time for him to step up. I really think this is a form thing rather than a personnel one. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 29, 2024 11:17:03 GMT
The midfield 3 have definitely been off it so far but offered the chance of signing Coventry, Berry and Docherty I think we’d all go for it. The only reason o say that is, they can’t be as bad as they’ve looked. Surely just a form thing at the moment? Must admit, I’m not a Taylor fan but it’s time to give him a fair crack I think. I don't think we have seen enough of a fit Terry Taylor, to make a judgement. I think it's about time we did. Amazing how much better and slimmer Albie Morgan looked last week, and did the simple things, pass and move. He has stopped looking for a Hollywood ball once a game and standing and admiring it.. Maybe Terry Taylor could do similar?. He at the very least deserves a chance.. Definitely leaning towards this too. Taylor, Godden and Leaburn and we’ll be flying in no time. |
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Post by manikin on Sept 29, 2024 11:37:38 GMT
I don't think we have seen enough of a fit Terry Taylor, to make a judgement. I think it's about time we did. Amazing how much better and slimmer Albie Morgan looked last week, and did the simple things, pass and move. He has stopped looking for a Hollywood ball once a game and standing and admiring it.. Maybe Terry Taylor could do similar?. He at the very least deserves a chance.. Definitely leaning towards this too. Taylor, Godden and Leaburn and we’ll be flying in no time. With what we've got that sounds about right. Ref "playmaker" someone who builds up play from midfield with accurate through balls and can swing to ball out to the wing. But that's my interpretation 😄. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 29, 2024 12:10:57 GMT
I don't think we have seen enough of a fit Terry Taylor, to make a judgement. I think it's about time we did. Amazing how much better and slimmer Albie Morgan looked last week, and did the simple things, pass and move. He has stopped looking for a Hollywood ball once a game and standing and admiring it.. Maybe Terry Taylor could do similar?. He at the very least deserves a chance.. Definitely leaning towards this too. Taylor, Godden and Leaburn and we’ll be flying in no time. “I must ask, from the time Jones took charge up until yesterday, have you seen any cohesive attacking play from our team? While Leaburn and Taylor may offer a slight contribution, I believe the main issue lies with Jones and how he sets up the squad. Unless Jones makes a significant shift in his approach, I fear we will continue to see the same lackluster performances. Furthermore, the recruitment over the summer failed to address a critical need — bringing in midfielders capable of turning on the half turn and injecting pace into our play.” Are these rose tinted glasses sold in the club shop? |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 29, 2024 12:24:04 GMT
“I must also emphasize that if Jones continues to constantly chop and change players while sticking to the same formation, there’s a real risk he could lose the dressing room within the month”.
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Post by dickybaby on Sept 29, 2024 12:38:46 GMT
This club needs continuity, stability and patience so no way we should be having this discussion. Football is littered with examples of clubs who gave under pressure managers time and were rewarded. Ferguson and Arteta spring to mind
Also needs a few transfer windows to shape the squad
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 29, 2024 12:39:54 GMT
Definitely leaning towards this too. Taylor, Godden and Leaburn and we’ll be flying in no time. “I must ask, from the time Jones took charge up until yesterday, have you seen any cohesive attacking play from our team? While Leaburn and Taylor may offer a slight contribution, I believe the main issue lies with Jones and how he sets up the squad. Unless Jones makes a significant shift in his approach, I fear we will continue to see the same lackluster performances. Furthermore, the recruitment over the summer failed to address a critical need — bringing in midfielders capable of turning on the half turn and injecting pace into our play.” Are these rose tinted glasses sold in the club shop? No rose tinted specs here, I’m in full agreement it’s been shite but I just think pulling the trigger on Jones and the inevitable rebuild under a new manager might be a final nail in the coffin for the club. |
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