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Post by clarky on Oct 1, 2024 11:34:00 GMT
Taylor deserves a chance, not so sure on the one decent game for Edun…… We were always going to struggle when playing both Anderson and Kanu regualarly…..both are not yet good enough Anderson is putting a decent shift in every time and is playing on merit. Either he continues to improve, or the club need to bring in better. Kanu on the other hand is likely to give way to Leaburn. Miles was always set to miss the opening 8-10 games but the club clearly wasn't going to shell out millions on fees and wages for a short term fix. Looking ahead Aneke is out of contract next summer so all the strikers need to step up or face life on the bench, or even on loan. Fact is that only Wrexham and Birmingham are buying strikers for fun in this league. I'd suggest that our solution lies in Leaburn hitting the ground running, an EPL loan AND improving the flow of our attack. I've not looked back at Luton but people are starting to say that what we see is how Jones approaches the game. Will he get a tune out of our attack? Or is this appointment going to be another failure?! have to disagree re Anderson. On the ball he is very average and the only reason he is in there is because the alternatives are so poor or not deemed good enough by NJ e.g Taylor. I also think maybe we should have spent money on an additional striker.Leaburn staying fit and not breaking down is a gamble and if he does hit the ground running will he want to stay or will he be sold? As you say Aneke will soon be out of contract so we will then be looking for another striker anyway. Of those we have got Godden hasn't got 90 minutes in him and is likely to only get slower, Kanu isn't good enough, Dixon isn't ready, Campbell is the most promising but is a winger, Hylton should never get a sniff at this level and the current tactics aren't doing Adhadme any favours. If we didn't have any money to buy an attacking outlet, which is clearly the case, a pacey EPL loan would have been far better than bringing in A.Campbell who on visual evidence isn't any better than what we already had including Anderson. |
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Post by joan on Oct 1, 2024 11:50:22 GMT
The Saints comments should be a red flag but I remember Sunderland fans warning us about Charlie but most chose to ignore it or didn't want to believe it. When he left in late 2019 they were a real mess at the time with a whole bunch of things that sound pretty familiar now. Only got promoted when he was long gone. |
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Post by eric on Oct 1, 2024 11:52:27 GMT
Anderson is putting a decent shift in every time and is playing on merit. Either he continues to improve, or the club need to bring in better. Kanu on the other hand is likely to give way to Leaburn. Miles was always set to miss the opening 8-10 games but the club clearly wasn't going to shell out millions on fees and wages for a short term fix. Looking ahead Aneke is out of contract next summer so all the strikers need to step up or face life on the bench, or even on loan. Fact is that only Wrexham and Birmingham are buying strikers for fun in this league. I'd suggest that our solution lies in Leaburn hitting the ground running, an EPL loan AND improving the flow of our attack. I've not looked back at Luton but people are starting to say that what we see is how Jones approaches the game. Will he get a tune out of our attack? Or is this appointment going to be another failure?! have to disagree re Anderson. On the ball he is very average and the only reason he is in there is because the alternatives are so poor or not deemed good enough by NJ e.g Taylor. I also think maybe we should have spent money on an additional striker.Leaburn staying fit and not breaking down is a gamble and if he does hit the ground running will he want to stay or will he be sold? As you say Aneke will soon be out of contract so we will then be looking for another striker anyway. Of those we have got Godden hasn't got 90 minutes in him and is likely to only get slower, Kanu isn't good enough, Dixon isn't ready, Campbell is the most promising but is a winger, Hylton should never get a sniff at this level and the current tactics aren't doing Adhadme any favours. If we didn't have any money to buy an attacking outlet, which is clearly the case, a pacey EPL loan would have been far better than bringing in A.Campbell who on visual evidence isn't any better than what we already had including Anderson. Agree with all of this . We are really lacking in midfield , just no creativity whatsoever . Only 3 months to the next transfer window ! . Things are going to get very toxic if results don’t improve soon. |
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Post by eric on Oct 1, 2024 19:40:16 GMT
Please fuck off Jones .
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Post by petetongthereturn on Oct 1, 2024 19:41:16 GMT
Sadly this maybe my last season ticket for a while.
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Oct 1, 2024 20:17:11 GMT
Get shut!
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Oct 1, 2024 20:18:32 GMT
I'm out watching my local side Horbury FC over watching Charlton. Glad I made that choice!
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Post by discocafc on Oct 1, 2024 20:18:46 GMT
Absolute pathetic. Jones has made 4 changes and constantly changes strike force every time. I’m worried where we’re going to get the goals from as well.
I’m not one for sacking managers every time but this result is unforgivable and if this carries on then the club will have no choice!
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 1, 2024 20:24:36 GMT
How any of our fans seem to think Jones is trying to get sacked to get the Cardiff job is unbelievable. Facebook and Twitter at their very ‘best’.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 1, 2024 20:34:10 GMT
How any of our fans seem to think Jones is trying to get sacked to get the Cardiff job is unbelievable. Facebook and Twitter at their very ‘best’. Morons on there mate, absolute oddball's. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Oct 1, 2024 20:35:37 GMT
"His got his hands in pockets"
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Post by petetongthereturn on Oct 1, 2024 20:35:59 GMT
‘It’s a two year project’. Charlie boy and the Charlton support on the board at the Bromley meeting this week.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 1, 2024 20:46:33 GMT
Make that three then because since they took over we've gone back a year on the pitch.
Nowhere for Jones to hide tonight.
Shocking management.
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Oct 1, 2024 20:50:02 GMT
13th in the League dropping like court letters on Katie Price's doormat
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Post by norfolkrobin on Oct 1, 2024 21:17:16 GMT
‘It’s a two year project’. Charlie boy and the Charlton support on the board at the Bromley meeting this week. Yeah no doubt CM will have a slick script prepared and will make convincing promises/statements. I can't fathom that tonight,playing a team with less confidence than us and we just surrender....pathetic. Somebody ask him to ask the yanks to get some cash out. |
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Post by newyorkaddick on Oct 1, 2024 21:27:53 GMT
The results may be slightly better (possibly due to luck) but the performances are categorically worse than what we saw under Appleton, Holden or Garner.
I can just about work out what NJ has asked them to do (ie press, get the ball forward quickly, win second balls etc.) but we don't have players remotely capable of doing it successfully.
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Post by herewegoagain on Oct 1, 2024 21:36:30 GMT
It’s unbelievable how our form has taken such a dramatic turn for the worse, something has happened behind the scenes, Jones has seemingly lost the players in little over a week, it’s frankly inconceivable. Our attacking play has been poor all season, now our defence has gone to pot, we have a manager that has no plan B, it is as dire as it can yet once again. The sense I get is that many fans are just at the end of their tether with the constant failure year after year and have really had enough of the club, the broken promises, the poor players, poor management and poor owners.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 1, 2024 21:41:29 GMT
Anderson is putting a decent shift in every time and is playing on merit. Either he continues to improve, or the club need to bring in better. Kanu on the other hand is likely to give way to Leaburn. Miles was always set to miss the opening 8-10 games but the club clearly wasn't going to shell out millions on fees and wages for a short term fix. Looking ahead Aneke is out of contract next summer so all the strikers need to step up or face life on the bench, or even on loan. Fact is that only Wrexham and Birmingham are buying strikers for fun in this league. I'd suggest that our solution lies in Leaburn hitting the ground running, an EPL loan AND improving the flow of our attack. I've not looked back at Luton but people are starting to say that what we see is how Jones approaches the game. Will he get a tune out of our attack? Or is this appointment going to be another failure?! have to disagree re Anderson. On the ball he is very average and the only reason he is in there is because the alternatives are so poor or not deemed good enough by NJ e.g Taylor. I also think maybe we should have spent money on an additional striker.Leaburn staying fit and not breaking down is a gamble and if he does hit the ground running will he want to stay or will he be sold? As you say Aneke will soon be out of contract so we will then be looking for another striker anyway. Of those we have got Godden hasn't got 90 minutes in him and is likely to only get slower, Kanu isn't good enough, Dixon isn't ready, Campbell is the most promising but is a winger, Hylton should never get a sniff at this level and the current tactics aren't doing Adhadme any favours. If we didn't have any money to buy an attacking outlet, which is clearly the case, a pacey EPL loan would have been far better than bringing in A.Campbell who on visual evidence isn't any better than what we already had including Anderson. This needs bumping from earlier today…..spot on from Clarky……how the hell can Anderson keep getting picked, surely the only reason why Taylor is not being considered has to be down to contractual money as he was our best midfielder at Cambridge…. We were crying out for a Keiilor-Dunne or a Macatee or someone else who could make us play through the lines, instead we bring in the likes of Campbell and Hylton after we had seemingly blown our top 4 budget on 7 players come July……The writing was on the wall for me even back in July I am just surprised it took this long before it has gone belly up….. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Oct 2, 2024 6:18:23 GMT
He needs to go. His plan A is so basic and outdated, and it’s doubtful he even has a plan B. The word “arrogant” comes to mind, as he genuinely seemed to believe that going into 46 games with this so-called front-footed, high-press, no-skill football would be successful. Like many others, I initially assumed his approach last season was just a short-term strategy to help us avoid relegation, but how wrong I was—that was his actual plan A.
What makes matters worse is his puzzling decision-making, such as dropping two of our arguably best defenders, Mitchell and Ramsey, while continuing to start Anderson, Kanu, and TC together. His strange attempt to convert TC into a striker is laughable at best. Granted, it’s not entirely his fault—our ownership has shown little interest in investing properly in the team. They seem to be clinging to the misguided belief from the SMT that we can succeed on a shoestring budget and eventually flip the club for a profit in the Championship. This, combined with his flawed tactics, is a recipe for disaster.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 2, 2024 6:29:36 GMT
He needs to go. His plan A is so basic and outdated, and it’s doubtful he even has a plan B. The word “arrogant” comes to mind, as he genuinely seemed to believe that going into 46 games with this so-called front-footed, high-press, no-skill football would be successful. Like many others, I initially assumed his approach last season was just a short-term strategy to help us avoid relegation, but how wrong I was—that was his actual plan A. What makes matters worse is his puzzling decision-making, such as dropping two of our arguably best defenders, Mitchell and Ramsey, while continuing to start Anderson, Kanu, and TC together. His strange attempt to convert TC into a striker is laughable at best. Granted, it’s not entirely his fault—our ownership has shown little interest in investing properly in the team. They seem to be clinging to the misguided belief from the SMT that we can succeed on a shoestring budget and eventually flip the club for a profit in the Championship. This, combined with his flawed tactics, is a recipe for disaster. Yep this……quite depressing really, I personally think we are bang in trouble mate until January….hopefully then the owners would have worked out we are in a pile of shit and they invest to get us out of it…. |
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Post by discocafc on Oct 2, 2024 6:51:21 GMT
Just listened to Jones’s interview from last night. Fully appreciate him apologising and he got his tactics wrong and etc which is a first from any manager we’ve had.
Hopefully this won’t continue.
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Post by AndyB on Oct 2, 2024 7:47:20 GMT
Just listened to Jones’s interview from last night. Fully appreciate him apologising and he got his tactics wrong and etc which is a first from any manager we’ve had. Hopefully this won’t continue. Thats fine but how long did it take him to realise he’d got his tactics wrong ? And if it was early on like most fans saw why didn’t he change them earlier? |
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Post by Mundell on Oct 2, 2024 7:52:37 GMT
Serious and genuine question. We’ve now played nine league matches. With the exception of the game against Bolton we’ve looked unconvincing or poor in all of them. With the exception of Bolton, ironically, which of these teams has better players than we have? Deeper squads? A bigger wage budget?
I don’t know enough to be confident on the first two questions, but I’d hazard a guess at only Rotherham on the third.
Thoughts?
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 2, 2024 8:28:25 GMT
Just listened to Jones’s interview from last night. Fully appreciate him apologising and he got his tactics wrong and etc which is a first from any manager we’ve had. Hopefully this won’t continue. Thats fine but how long did it take him to realise he’d got his tactics wrong ? And if it was early on like most fans saw why didn’t he change them earlier? Should have swopped three out at half time…..purely reactive manager who brings on subs to chase games…..regardless of him admitting his mistakes I have serious reservations about the way he sets us up and his continual playing of the kids that are not simply good enough Anderson had a complete shocker at Cambridge but he keeps playing him, he drops his captain completely and then brings his mate Campbell in to have a disaster against Blackpool…..He brings Watson in for Ramsay, REG in for Mitchell and then Kanu in instead of Godden…..sorry but my alarm bells are going off big style, I think we are bang in trouble |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 2, 2024 9:03:30 GMT
I really don't know how he can stand there after last night's game and say he's to blame because he picked the wrong side and deployed the wrong tactics when he's been chopping and changing the side for the last three games.
Clearly he doesn't know what his best side is, that said the squad is that basic, none of us do.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 2, 2024 9:10:31 GMT
I really don't know how he can stand there after last night's game and say he's to blame because he picked the wrong side and deployed the wrong tactics when he's been chopping and changing the side for the last three games. Clearly he doesn't know what his best side is, that said the squad is that basic, none of us do. Well mate since the Shrewsbury game I think a fair few of us have looked at the team sheet at 2.00pm and been a bit bewildered by some of the selection decisions, we were doing pretty well up until then and then he started to try and be clever and it has backfired big style…..Don’t fucking tinker with a side getting results which up until then we were… even if it wasn’t pretty…. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 2, 2024 9:23:10 GMT
I really don't know how he can stand there after last night's game and say he's to blame because he picked the wrong side and deployed the wrong tactics when he's been chopping and changing the side for the last three games. Clearly he doesn't know what his best side is, that said the squad is that basic, none of us do. Well mate since the Shrewsbury game I think a fair few of us have looked at the team sheet at 2.00pm and been a bit bewildered by some of the selection decisions, we were doing pretty well up until then and then he started to try and be clever and it has backfired big style…..Don’t fucking tinker with a side getting results which up until then we were… even if it wasn’t pretty…. We have to be a bit careful here as many of us were calling for changes in order to improve our attacking play. Having said that, I don't think many of us would've made the changes Nathan has tried. There in lies the issue for me. I couldn't predict how we will ever line up with Nathan in charge. He seems to pick on random players and swap them out. |
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Post by divot on Oct 2, 2024 10:23:45 GMT
To think that around COVID first time, we had the likes of Alfie Doughty on the wing and then under Adkins, we had Liam Millar. Quality players who carried a threat with the ball at their feet, which opened up space for others. Even CBT carried FAR more threat than anything we've got on the books at the moment. Tyreece Campbell has the odd burst, as does Chuks but neither can be relied on for consistent performance (understandable in the case of Chuks).
They might just have to throw the Dixon lad in and let him learn on the job, in the same way that Paul Mortimer or Ademola Lookman did.
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Post by Mundell on Oct 2, 2024 10:35:46 GMT
Well mate since the Shrewsbury game I think a fair few of us have looked at the team sheet at 2.00pm and been a bit bewildered by some of the selection decisions, we were doing pretty well up until then and then he started to try and be clever and it has backfired big style…..Don’t fucking tinker with a side getting results which up until then we were… even if it wasn’t pretty…. We have to be a bit careful here as many of us were calling for changes in order to improve our attacking play. Having said that, I don't think many of us would've made the changes Nathan has tried. There in lies the issue for me. I couldn't predict how we will ever line up with Nathan in charge. He seems to pick on random players and swap them out. I agree with this. We’ve all been surprised and often bemused by Jones’s team selections, but I’m not sure that’s the real issue. Since Jones’s first match back in February we’ve been poor in possession, lacking creativity and haven’t been creating enough chances. Michael Appleton had done better in these areas. We all hoped that given time and his own players Jones would address this weakness, but despite our encouraging start to the season results wise he clearly hasn’t. If anything, we seem to have gone backwards. Jones must be aware of this and must know he needs to address this problem or this season, and potentially his career, will be in ruins. Perversely, he’s therefore tried to make changes while simultaneously doing more of the same. For example, while the decision to play Edmonds Green instead of Mitchell against Blackpool may not have worked, there was a logic to it. REG is a better ‘footballer’ than Mitchell and more capable of stepping into midfield. That might have helped, but you can’t just change one player and expect a team that’s been instructed to play one way to suddenly do something very different. At the same time Jones is looking for more quality, better decision making and a bit more cohesion, he’s also trying to ensure we are even more aggressive, even more “front-footed” (whatever that means) so he brings on Anderson in the game against Blackpool and starts him in the next two matches because he’s his go to aggressive presser. In possession though Anderson makes us even more disjointed. It’s completely unjoined up thinking. If he’s going to stick with his game plan he needs to figure out how to make it work, even if it means playing Lloyd Jones at centre forward. If it’s not going to work he needs to fundamentally change it, not simply hope that playing Green or Potts will suddenly make us better in possession. Let’s hope he can figure it out. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to be optimistic. There is a fair chance Jones is going to turn out to be a complete dud. |
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Post by manikin on Oct 2, 2024 11:37:49 GMT
As I posted before the match yesterday I don't think he knows who to play where. When he took over last season he did a good job with what he had. He transformed us into, not a good side but a sound one. Ever since he went crazy and seemed to be intent on signing any ex Luton player he could, it's ( excuse the pun ) gone to pot. Those that were here last year and this, he seemed to get the best out of them, but those still here this season seem to have gone backwards.
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