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Post by clarky on Oct 2, 2024 11:38:21 GMT
Some good sensible discussion which I will try not to spoil. The defence was the only thing that was working and didn't need changing. Whilst Small looked shaky defensively, the whole five of them plus Mannion behind and Coventry in front were working it out between them. So no tinkering required unless it is enforced.
He currently can't do anything about the lack of creativity because he failed on that one with his recruitment policy. However, being constantly reliant on the youngsters is causing problems and is avoidable. Anderson is not good enough to start yet he barely misses a game. Whilst Campbells speed causes problems NJ is the only one who thinks he can play as a striker. I don't mind him playing an attacking role but from the bench when defenders are getting tired. Starting him makes it so easy for defenders as his movement is poor as he doesn't think like a striker. With Kanu I would say a good number of us thought he would be better going out on loan, it didn't happen and it is quite apparent he isn't good enough but he gets plenty of game time.
Admittely our alternative options are limited but surely NJ brought in Adhadme and Godden to play together but how often has that happened? The hoof ball whilst boring just isn't working so a midfield that includes both Coventry and Taylor, whilst not ideal, may mean we keep the ball more on the ground and go more through the middle which may also suit Berry. Godden hasn't set the world alight but he is a very intelligent player and I would say his movement off the ball is better than anyone else we have, so rather than hoping a flick on from Adhadme might work, which it hasn't done as yet, a player like Adhadme having the ball at his feet might bring him in. Similarly, a fit Leaburn and Godden might work well together in the same way but the last thing we want is the same hoof ball tactic with different personnel.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 2, 2024 11:41:41 GMT
If we step back and take a look at the players with most minutes, we can quickly identify a pattern. Mannion, Jones, Mitchell, Gillesphey, Ramsay and Coventry have played virtually 100%. Whilst Small and Edwards have shared left wing back.
There's no denying that we have one of the best defensive records in League One.
Aside from Campbell and Ahadme, none of the strikers have played much. Chuks puts in 25 minutes from the bench every time and Miles is now back. But last night we had the very weird scenario of bringing three decent strikers off of the bench when we're already losing. That first has has to be the worst we've seen yet!
And Campbell who can beat players, hold the ball etc. at this level, but he simply isn't a striker!
Who are we to advise on formations, selection and game management? But we can surely ask that the management gets the basics right, and lives up to both the top six budget, and our footballing tradition.
PS not getting into the ex-Luton players as Berry looks useful but the rest...
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 2, 2024 12:03:42 GMT
As I posted before the match yesterday I don't think he knows who to play where. When he took over last season he did a good job with what he had. He transformed us into, not a good side but a sound one. Ever since he went crazy and seemed to be intent on signing any ex Luton player he could, it's ( excuse the pun ) gone to pot. Those that were here last year and this, he seemed to get the best out of them, but those still here this season seem to have gone backwards. I think he transformed us into a team that could stop other teams playing. We are still that team. We don't play football, we just stop others playing football. Just less effectively in the last 3-4 games. It's like how Warnock described defenders. Anyone (ability wise) can play as a defender as you're just stopping others from playing football or words to that effect. He'd focus far more of his attention on the attacking / flair players as they were the important part of any team. I imagine if Nathan asked our players in training to split into defensive players and attacking players, that we would have barely anyone in the latter group. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Oct 2, 2024 12:59:25 GMT
He needs to go. His plan A is so basic and outdated, and it’s doubtful he even has a plan B. The word “arrogant” comes to mind, as he genuinely seemed to believe that going into 46 games with this so-called front-footed, high-press, no-skill football would be successful. Like many others, I initially assumed his approach last season was just a short-term strategy to help us avoid relegation, but how wrong I was—that was his actual plan A. What makes matters worse is his puzzling decision-making, such as dropping two of our arguably best defenders, Mitchell and Ramsey, while continuing to start Anderson, Kanu, and TC together. His strange attempt to convert TC into a striker is laughable at best. Granted, it’s not entirely his fault—our ownership has shown little interest in investing properly in the team. They seem to be clinging to the misguided belief from the SMT that we can succeed on a shoestring budget and eventually flip the club for a profit in the Championship. This, combined with his flawed tactics, is a recipe for disaster. Maybe he is playing like this to avoid relegation this season too. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Oct 2, 2024 13:12:40 GMT
He needs to go. His plan A is so basic and outdated, and it’s doubtful he even has a plan B. The word “arrogant” comes to mind, as he genuinely seemed to believe that going into 46 games with this so-called front-footed, high-press, no-skill football would be successful. Like many others, I initially assumed his approach last season was just a short-term strategy to help us avoid relegation, but how wrong I was—that was his actual plan A. What makes matters worse is his puzzling decision-making, such as dropping two of our arguably best defenders, Mitchell and Ramsey, while continuing to start Anderson, Kanu, and TC together. His strange attempt to convert TC into a striker is laughable at best. Granted, it’s not entirely his fault—our ownership has shown little interest in investing properly in the team. They seem to be clinging to the misguided belief from the SMT that we can succeed on a shoestring budget and eventually flip the club for a profit in the Championship. This, combined with his flawed tactics, is a recipe for disaster. Maybe he is playing like this to avoid relegation this season too. In which case he isn't doing a very good job of it. |
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Post by anthony55 on Oct 2, 2024 15:36:16 GMT
The thing is this.
Jones can shuffle the pack as much as he wants but we have no one in midfield who can create the sort of chances that are required.
He has made a rod for his own back by not signing a creative midfielder and we are stuck with what we have until January at least.
It's going to get worse in my opinion before it gets better.
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Post by dartfordreds on Oct 2, 2024 16:24:26 GMT
Apoligies if this has been mentioned before but when was the last time we had no loan signings in our squad.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 2, 2024 16:50:06 GMT
Apoligies if this has been mentioned before but when was the last time we had no loan signings in our squad. We have one Allan Campbell. He's shit. Makes Louis Watson look like Iniesta. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Oct 2, 2024 17:00:40 GMT
Was it Curbishley that used to say, don’t get too high when you win and don't get too low when you lose. Think we’ve all been guilty of it, we’re in a rut and need to back the manager and players. I’ve been more guilty than most of hitting the self destruct button but this geezer has got more about him than all of the previous (recent) incumbents.
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Post by manikin on Oct 2, 2024 17:29:53 GMT
Was it Curbishley that used to say, don’t get too high when you win and don't get too low when you lose. Think we’ve all been guilty of it, we’re in a rut and need to back the manager and players. I’ve been more guilty than most of hitting the self destruct button but this geezer has got more about him than all of the previous (recent) incumbents. I don't think there is any danger of us getting to high if we win, but to experience a win would be good. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Oct 2, 2024 18:51:38 GMT
Was it Curbishley that used to say, don’t get too high when you win and don't get too low when you lose. Think we’ve all been guilty of it, we’re in a rut and need to back the manager and players. I’ve been more guilty than most of hitting the self destruct button but this geezer has got more about him than all of the previous (recent) incumbents. Sensible view on things,I know you're right,like us all im just desperate for us to kick on instead of going backwards. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Oct 2, 2024 19:27:02 GMT
Was it Curbishley that used to say, don’t get too high when you win and don't get too low when you lose. Think we’ve all been guilty of it, we’re in a rut and need to back the manager and players. I’ve been more guilty than most of hitting the self destruct button but this geezer has got more about him than all of the previous (recent) incumbents. Sensible view on things,I know you're right,like us all im just desperate for us to kick on instead of going backwards. Are we one of quickest fans bases to turn? Maybe. Been through enough shite to of earned the right too I suppose. But the toxicity that floods the fan base after a crap run of form just seems to spiral. It normally just ends in a sacking and a start again cycle. It’s a proper mess. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Oct 3, 2024 9:45:16 GMT
Was it Curbishley that used to say, don’t get too high when you win and don't get too low when you lose. Think we’ve all been guilty of it, we’re in a rut and need to back the manager and players. I’ve been more guilty than most of hitting the self destruct button but this geezer has got more about him than all of the previous (recent) incumbents. I actually disagree. Jones lacks both the players and tactical know-how for a top 12 finish. If you’re content supporting a mid-table League One club, then fair enough. |
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Post by ENdeavour on Oct 3, 2024 11:46:16 GMT
It’s unbelievable how our form has taken such a dramatic turn for the worse, something has happened behind the scenes, Jones has seemingly lost the players in little over a week, it’s frankly inconceivable. Our attacking play has been poor all season, now our defence has gone to pot, we have a manager that has no plan B, it is as dire as it can yet once again. The sense I get is that many fans are just at the end of their tether with the constant failure year after year and have really had enough of the club, the broken promises, the poor players, poor management and poor owners. Not one for conspiracy theories, and not sure if this has been raised already, but since the departure of Paul Hart was announced we have won 1, drawn 1 and lost 4 in the league. I know we hadn’t seen him on match days this season but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t having some influence behind the scenes. Coincidence or could there be something in it? |
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