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Post by Mundell on Jun 30, 2024 12:14:56 GMT
Too many people online are comparing apples to oranges, they're saying we'll be losing 20+ goals that we have to replace, and while we will absolutely need to ensure we have the right amount of goals spread through the team, it goes deeper than that. At some of our worst points under Appleton last year, whenever our shoddy defence cleared a ball up the pitch, it came straight back at them. This meant that in the last 20 mins of games when we were trying to protect a lead or a draw, there was no respite for our midfield or defence because it was a constant onslaught (also potentially why we threw away so many late points - part mental fortitude but largely due to the barrage of attacks). Alfie has absolutely zero aerial ability or hold-up play in his game, he knows where the net is and can support a high press with his energy but that's it. Having a technical target man like Ahadme, Etete or Leaburn, not only will we almost certainly see 10+ goals each (over a 46 game season), but you will also see the kind of hold-up play that brings your #10 and both wing-backs into the game much more. The thought of Ramsay and Small whipping aerial deliveries into 6ft5 Etete brings a whole new dynamic - not only with goals but being able to keep the ball at the other end of the pitch. Aside from this, not once last year did we ever look like we were going to score from a cross or a corner - whilst at the same time looking vulnerable in defence for every cross or corner. Having one of the above back to defend against set-pieces will almost certainly win or protect our draws against points that we lost out on multiple times this year. I would love to keep Alfie as another option and think he has a great character but if you're to believe the family stuff, as well as using the funds to reinvest across the squad, it's a no brainer for me - if he can facilitate the above, he simply has to go. Couldn’t agree more. It’s absolutely bonkers to want to retain a player who the manager doesn’t feel fits with the way he wants to play. How is that supposed to work? Those railing against the probable sale of Alfie May are really saying they have no confidence in the manager because they disagree with his choice of how to play and with his assessment of the player. Should Nathan Jones be sacked simply because fans don’t agree with his decisions? Or be held accountable for results having done what he believes is right? Football is a team game. The side attacks together and it defends together. The key is to put together the right combination of players who, together, will attack and defend effectively. There are also some short memories. Even when Michael Appleton was manager it was obvious he too was struggling to figure out how to get May into his starting XI. He wanted to play 4-3-3, or a variant thereof, with a classic ‘9’, a ‘7’, an ‘11’ and, mostly, a ‘10’. May wasn’t a ‘9’, so he was used at ‘10’, where he often looked good, and at ‘7’ with the latter option drawing howls of derision from many fans. Jones is simply addressing this dilemma head on. In so doing, he’s aiming to put together a more effective team. It’s not about whether a direct swap will, in a narrow sense, lead to more goals from a new fan’s favourite. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jun 30, 2024 12:39:03 GMT
Too many people online are comparing apples to oranges, they're saying we'll be losing 20+ goals that we have to replace, and while we will absolutely need to ensure we have the right amount of goals spread through the team, it goes deeper than that. At some of our worst points under Appleton last year, whenever our shoddy defence cleared a ball up the pitch, it came straight back at them. This meant that in the last 20 mins of games when we were trying to protect a lead or a draw, there was no respite for our midfield or defence because it was a constant onslaught (also potentially why we threw away so many late points - part mental fortitude but largely due to the barrage of attacks). Alfie has absolutely zero aerial ability or hold-up play in his game, he knows where the net is and can support a high press with his energy but that's it. Having a technical target man like Ahadme, Etete or Leaburn, not only will we almost certainly see 10+ goals each (over a 46 game season), but you will also see the kind of hold-up play that brings your #10 and both wing-backs into the game much more. The thought of Ramsay and Small whipping aerial deliveries into 6ft5 Etete brings a whole new dynamic - not only with goals but being able to keep the ball at the other end of the pitch. Aside from this, not once last year did we ever look like we were going to score from a cross or a corner - whilst at the same time looking vulnerable in defence for every cross or corner. Having one of the above back to defend against set-pieces will almost certainly win or protect our draws against points that we lost out on multiple times this year. I would love to keep Alfie as another option and think he has a great character but if you're to believe the family stuff, as well as using the funds to reinvest across the squad, it's a no brainer for me - if he can facilitate the above, he simply has to go. Great post! |
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Post by watameires on Jun 30, 2024 12:49:15 GMT
People go on about age but chucks is 31 this Wednesday. and if he was a horse….. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 30, 2024 13:23:22 GMT
Too many people online are comparing apples to oranges, they're saying we'll be losing 20+ goals that we have to replace, and while we will absolutely need to ensure we have the right amount of goals spread through the team, it goes deeper than that. At some of our worst points under Appleton last year, whenever our shoddy defence cleared a ball up the pitch, it came straight back at them. This meant that in the last 20 mins of games when we were trying to protect a lead or a draw, there was no respite for our midfield or defence because it was a constant onslaught (also potentially why we threw away so many late points - part mental fortitude but largely due to the barrage of attacks). Alfie has absolutely zero aerial ability or hold-up play in his game, he knows where the net is and can support a high press with his energy but that's it. Having a technical target man like Ahadme, Etete or Leaburn, not only will we almost certainly see 10+ goals each (over a 46 game season), but you will also see the kind of hold-up play that brings your #10 and both wing-backs into the game much more. The thought of Ramsay and Small whipping aerial deliveries into 6ft5 Etete brings a whole new dynamic - not only with goals but being able to keep the ball at the other end of the pitch. Aside from this, not once last year did we ever look like we were going to score from a cross or a corner - whilst at the same time looking vulnerable in defence for every cross or corner. Having one of the above back to defend against set-pieces will almost certainly win or protect our draws against points that we lost out on multiple times this year. I would love to keep Alfie as another option and think he has a great character but if you're to believe the family stuff, as well as using the funds to reinvest across the squad, it's a no brainer for me - if he can facilitate the above, he simply has to go. The voice of reason. A very good read mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2024 14:12:02 GMT
Too many people online are comparing apples to oranges, they're saying we'll be losing 20+ goals that we have to replace, and while we will absolutely need to ensure we have the right amount of goals spread through the team, it goes deeper than that. At some of our worst points under Appleton last year, whenever our shoddy defence cleared a ball up the pitch, it came straight back at them. This meant that in the last 20 mins of games when we were trying to protect a lead or a draw, there was no respite for our midfield or defence because it was a constant onslaught (also potentially why we threw away so many late points - part mental fortitude but largely due to the barrage of attacks). Alfie has absolutely zero aerial ability or hold-up play in his game, he knows where the net is and can support a high press with his energy but that's it. Having a technical target man like Ahadme, Etete or Leaburn, not only will we almost certainly see 10+ goals each (over a 46 game season), but you will also see the kind of hold-up play that brings your #10 and both wing-backs into the game much more. The thought of Ramsay and Small whipping aerial deliveries into 6ft5 Etete brings a whole new dynamic - not only with goals but being able to keep the ball at the other end of the pitch. Aside from this, not once last year did we ever look like we were going to score from a cross or a corner - whilst at the same time looking vulnerable in defence for every cross or corner. Having one of the above back to defend against set-pieces will almost certainly win or protect our draws against points that we lost out on multiple times this year. I would love to keep Alfie as another option and think he has a great character but if you're to believe the family stuff, as well as using the funds to reinvest across the squad, it's a no brainer for me - if he can facilitate the above, he simply has to go. There are a lot of ifs in those scenarios. If my Granma had wheels she would have been a bike. Inability to hold the ball up was just one of the reasons we gave away goals, lack of concentration, not picking your man up, lack of challenges at set pieces etc were others. May got us out of the shit last Season. If we didn’t have his goals we would be lining up against League Two opposition. If Ahadme was the answer to all our prayers why arent clubs further up the food chain fighting us to sign him? Ipswich didn’t want him in League One or the Championship. Be careful what you wish for. Doesn’t set the pulses racing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gassan_Ahadme |
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Post by bannedfromcl on Jun 30, 2024 14:29:31 GMT
Wish this would get resolved ASAP, very frustrating all round. Good player who had a great season, but if Jones doesn't want him, then I am fine with that.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 30, 2024 14:34:31 GMT
Too many people online are comparing apples to oranges, they're saying we'll be losing 20+ goals that we have to replace, and while we will absolutely need to ensure we have the right amount of goals spread through the team, it goes deeper than that. At some of our worst points under Appleton last year, whenever our shoddy defence cleared a ball up the pitch, it came straight back at them. This meant that in the last 20 mins of games when we were trying to protect a lead or a draw, there was no respite for our midfield or defence because it was a constant onslaught (also potentially why we threw away so many late points - part mental fortitude but largely due to the barrage of attacks). Alfie has absolutely zero aerial ability or hold-up play in his game, he knows where the net is and can support a high press with his energy but that's it. Having a technical target man like Ahadme, Etete or Leaburn, not only will we almost certainly see 10+ goals each (over a 46 game season), but you will also see the kind of hold-up play that brings your #10 and both wing-backs into the game much more. The thought of Ramsay and Small whipping aerial deliveries into 6ft5 Etete brings a whole new dynamic - not only with goals but being able to keep the ball at the other end of the pitch. Aside from this, not once last year did we ever look like we were going to score from a cross or a corner - whilst at the same time looking vulnerable in defence for every cross or corner. Having one of the above back to defend against set-pieces will almost certainly win or protect our draws against points that we lost out on multiple times this year. I would love to keep Alfie as another option and think he has a great character but if you're to believe the family stuff, as well as using the funds to reinvest across the squad, it's a no brainer for me - if he can facilitate the above, he simply has to go. There are a lot of ifs in those scenarios. If my Granma had wheels she would have been a bike. Inability to hold the ball up was just one of the reasons we gave away goals, lack of concentration, not picking your man up, lack of challenges at set pieces etc were others. May got us out of the shit last Season. If we didn’t have his goals we would be lining up against League Two opposition. If Ahadme was the answer to all our prayers why arent clubs further up the food chain fighting us to sign him? Ipswich didn’t want him in League One or the Championship. Be careful what you wish for. Doesn’t set the pulses racing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gassan_AhadmeYou started what you said saying lot's of If's then end it saying 'If Ahadme was the answer'. May has 10 years on Ahadme with his future ahead of him. He isn't even been sought after as a major goalscorer, it's the other aspects he has to his game that we want to bring to the team. Absolutely ridiculous if we are going to start comparing Alfie with his replacement when we won't know how that looks until the season is well underway. Barnsley got rid of Devante Cole and he wasn't that far behind Alfie last season. There are diferent reasons as to why such decisions are made and I trust NJ 100%. He has his reasons and that's good enough for me. |
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Post by clarky on Jun 30, 2024 14:38:42 GMT
Too many people online are comparing apples to oranges, they're saying we'll be losing 20+ goals that we have to replace, and while we will absolutely need to ensure we have the right amount of goals spread through the team, it goes deeper than that. At some of our worst points under Appleton last year, whenever our shoddy defence cleared a ball up the pitch, it came straight back at them. This meant that in the last 20 mins of games when we were trying to protect a lead or a draw, there was no respite for our midfield or defence because it was a constant onslaught (also potentially why we threw away so many late points - part mental fortitude but largely due to the barrage of attacks). Alfie has absolutely zero aerial ability or hold-up play in his game, he knows where the net is and can support a high press with his energy but that's it. Having a technical target man like Ahadme, Etete or Leaburn, not only will we almost certainly see 10+ goals each (over a 46 game season), but you will also see the kind of hold-up play that brings your #10 and both wing-backs into the game much more. The thought of Ramsay and Small whipping aerial deliveries into 6ft5 Etete brings a whole new dynamic - not only with goals but being able to keep the ball at the other end of the pitch. Aside from this, not once last year did we ever look like we were going to score from a cross or a corner - whilst at the same time looking vulnerable in defence for every cross or corner. Having one of the above back to defend against set-pieces will almost certainly win or protect our draws against points that we lost out on multiple times this year. I would love to keep Alfie as another option and think he has a great character but if you're to believe the family stuff, as well as using the funds to reinvest across the squad, it's a no brainer for me - if he can facilitate the above, he simply has to go. There are a lot of ifs in those scenarios. If my Granma had wheels she would have been a bike. Inability to hold the ball up was just one of the reasons we gave away goals, lack of concentration, not picking your man up, lack of challenges at set pieces etc were others. May got us out of the shit last Season. If we didn’t have his goals we would be lining up against League Two opposition. If Ahadme was the answer to all our prayers why arent clubs further up the food chain fighting us to sign him? Ipswich didn’t want him in League One or the Championship. Be careful what you wish for. have to agree with this. Whilst there are reasoned arguments for May staying or going he isn't and wasn't the problem in our worst season in history. We all know that we need more goals across all areas of the pitch but to date that area has not been addressed despite wanting our business done early. You could actually argue that with CBT, Dobson having left and May almost certain to leave we are currently weaker than we were last season. And let us remember most of that defence plus half the midfield remain when we achieved the heady heights of 4 wins in 16, since the arrival of NJ, in probably the weakest L1 in recent years. I am sure that whilst we are sitting on three goalkeepers none of which are deemed good enough to be No.1 and only Berry being a guaranteed midfield starter surrounded by absolutely no creativity in the team, you would have thought these areas needed addressing before you ship out a 20+ goal scorer to a promotion rival. As said above, careful what you wish for, whilst I believe Jones will be good for us, he made wholesale changes at Stoke (brought in a brand new team) and that and his system didn't work then, so let's hope he replicates his success at Luton. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2024 14:44:54 GMT
There are a lot of ifs in those scenarios. If my Granma had wheels she would have been a bike. Inability to hold the ball up was just one of the reasons we gave away goals, lack of concentration, not picking your man up, lack of challenges at set pieces etc were others. May got us out of the shit last Season. If we didn’t have his goals we would be lining up against League Two opposition. If Ahadme was the answer to all our prayers why arent clubs further up the food chain fighting us to sign him? Ipswich didn’t want him in League One or the Championship. Be careful what you wish for. have to agree with this. Whilst there are reasoned arguments for May staying or going he isn't and wasn't the problem in our worst season in history. We all know that we need more goals across all areas of the pitch but to date that area has not been addressed despite wanting our business done early. You could actually argue that with CBT, Dobson having left and May almost certain to leave we are currently weaker than we were last season. And let us remember most of that defence plus half the midfield remain when we achieved the heady heights of 4 wins in 16, since the arrival of NJ, in probably the weakest L1 in recent years. I am sure that whilst we are sitting on three goalkeepers none of which are deemed good enough to be No.1 and only Berry being a guaranteed midfield starter surrounded by absolutely no creativity in the team, you would have thought these areas needed addressing before you ship out a 20+ goal scorer to a promotion rival. As said above, careful what you wish for, whilst I believe Jones will be good for us, he made wholesale changes at Stoke (brought in a brand new team) and that and his system didn't work then, so let's hope he replicates his success at Luton. Excellent post. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jun 30, 2024 14:51:07 GMT
Too many people online are comparing apples to oranges, they're saying we'll be losing 20+ goals that we have to replace, and while we will absolutely need to ensure we have the right amount of goals spread through the team, it goes deeper than that. At some of our worst points under Appleton last year, whenever our shoddy defence cleared a ball up the pitch, it came straight back at them. This meant that in the last 20 mins of games when we were trying to protect a lead or a draw, there was no respite for our midfield or defence because it was a constant onslaught (also potentially why we threw away so many late points - part mental fortitude but largely due to the barrage of attacks). Alfie has absolutely zero aerial ability or hold-up play in his game, he knows where the net is and can support a high press with his energy but that's it. Having a technical target man like Ahadme, Etete or Leaburn, not only will we almost certainly see 10+ goals each (over a 46 game season), but you will also see the kind of hold-up play that brings your #10 and both wing-backs into the game much more. The thought of Ramsay and Small whipping aerial deliveries into 6ft5 Etete brings a whole new dynamic - not only with goals but being able to keep the ball at the other end of the pitch. Aside from this, not once last year did we ever look like we were going to score from a cross or a corner - whilst at the same time looking vulnerable in defence for every cross or corner. Having one of the above back to defend against set-pieces will almost certainly win or protect our draws against points that we lost out on multiple times this year. I would love to keep Alfie as another option and think he has a great character but if you're to believe the family stuff, as well as using the funds to reinvest across the squad, it's a no brainer for me - if he can facilitate the above, he simply has to go. There are a lot of ifs in those scenarios. If my Granma had wheels she would have been a bike. Inability to hold the ball up was just one of the reasons we gave away goals, lack of concentration, not picking your man up, lack of challenges at set pieces etc were others. May got us out of the shit last Season. If we didn’t have his goals we would be lining up against League Two opposition. If Ahadme was the answer to all our prayers why arent clubs further up the food chain fighting us to sign him? Ipswich didn’t want him in League One or the Championship. Be careful what you wish for. Doesn’t set the pulses racing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gassan_AhadmeThere’s a lot of ifs in any scenario that hasn’t happened yet Dick - just like saying it’s only a bad deal for us if Alfie will get 20+ goals next year, there’s no guarantees of anything. I’m also not saying that Ahadme is the answer, my point is that a striker of their stature is going to benefit the team up and down the pitch as well as set-pieces, where Alfie’s game is extremely one-dimensional and his profile playing lone striker is in large part why we had no ability to hold the ball in the opponents third for much of last season whilst Leaburn and Aneke were injured. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 1, 2024 11:04:11 GMT
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Post by midlandsaddick on Jul 1, 2024 11:10:28 GMT
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Post by duffasoldboots on Jul 1, 2024 11:11:26 GMT
Cannot believe we have bottled this🤦♂️ |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 1, 2024 11:24:13 GMT
Cannot believe we have bottled this🤦♂️ I don’t think you bottled it at all, money talks and Birmingham are loaded and will pay him the higher wages……simple as that….this is Alfie’s last big payday and it will all be about the good old Deutschmarks |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 1, 2024 11:26:11 GMT
Cannot believe we have bottled this🤦♂️ Hearing you were miles off Brum in terms of wages. |
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Post by midlandsaddick on Jul 1, 2024 11:30:55 GMT
Cannot believe we have bottled this🤦♂️ Hearing you were miles off Brum in terms of wages. Rumoured he's close to doubled his CAFC wages (rumoured 5k a week) |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Jul 1, 2024 11:54:39 GMT
Anyone but town!
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Post by duffasoldboots on Jul 1, 2024 12:13:57 GMT
Cannot believe we have bottled this🤦♂️ Hearing you were miles off Brum in terms of wages. Hearing the same |
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Post by crapgame on Jul 1, 2024 13:20:00 GMT
I suspect that at times, NJ will play a single centre forward and he probably needs to be a physical/athletic style player. Whenever Alfie was played up front on his own, it didnt work and he struggled to hold the ball up and compete with larger and more athletic CB's.
So he himself probably knows he will be starting on the bench and would be classed as an 'option sub' to play 'off the CF'.
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 1, 2024 14:11:46 GMT
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Post by cafcginge on Jul 1, 2024 14:50:13 GMT
to be honest if I was told this was a guaranteed thing to happen I would’ve rathered it to happen sooner than later so it gives us as much time to prepare for the season with who we know will be here. Can only wish him the best as wouldn’t be in the league without him really. I just hope reams is right and the replacements follow asap. So does this mean we r still aiming for 9 signings total (5 left to do) or do we think that must increase to 10 now he’s leaving (6 left to do)? I personally think it has to increase to 10 now in total |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 14:58:00 GMT
Sad to see Alfie go. I think it is a mistake. Just waiting to see who will be brought in to replace him. Good luck Alfie.
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 1, 2024 15:07:30 GMT
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Jul 1, 2024 15:09:54 GMT
I hope this doesn't comeback and bite us on the arse.Good luck Alfie but not against us.Lets see who we bring in nxt,needs to be some really good signings now.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jul 1, 2024 16:12:43 GMT
One of the most underrated strikers we've had in recent years. Miles better than a lot of the dross we'd had up front.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 1, 2024 16:18:55 GMT
One of the most underrated strikers we've had in recent years. Miles better than a lot of the dross we'd had up front. Most underrated by who? Certainly not by the very vast amount of CAFC supporters…….. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 1, 2024 16:34:48 GMT
to be honest if I was told this was a guaranteed thing to happen I would’ve rathered it to happen sooner than later so it gives us as much time to prepare for the season with who we know will be here. Can only wish him the best as wouldn’t be in the league without him really. I just hope reams is right and the replacements follow asap. So does this mean we r still aiming for 9 signings total (5 left to do) or do we think that must increase to 10 now he’s leaving (6 left to do)? I personally think it has to increase to 10 now in total So ITK journos are saying that the deal should be completed by Wednesday so you would expect that we have fees / deals agreed in place for our targets otherwise the speed in which our club have agreed for this deal to go through simply doesn’t make any sense…. How often have we heard that clubs won’t sell players to us until they have their replacements signed….. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 1, 2024 16:45:49 GMT
You can be at St Andrews in 90 minutes for all those Alfie May fans who think he's bigger than the club.
I'll stay and get behind our new players.
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Post by bexleyboy on Jul 1, 2024 16:50:21 GMT
Hearing you were miles off Brum in terms of wages. Rumoured he's close to doubled his CAFC wages (rumoured 5k a week) 3 year deal and 11k a week …. |
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