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Post by jacobearl99 on Aug 14, 2024 15:04:12 GMT
Do we know what type of midfielder he is? If the valuation/asking price is £1m he won't be any type of midfielder in any shape or form at our club. Tell that to Ahadme |
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Post by clarky on Aug 14, 2024 15:06:33 GMT
If the valuation/asking price is £1m he won't be any type of midfielder in any shape or form at our club. Tell that to Ahadme We sold May to fund that, and it is only worth a million with add ons. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 14, 2024 15:10:10 GMT
Do we know what type of midfielder he is? If the valuation/asking price is £1m he won't be any type of midfielder in any shape or form at our club. That made me laugh. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 14, 2024 15:11:11 GMT
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Post by Mundell on Aug 14, 2024 15:12:44 GMT
A few reflections, for what they’re worth.
While it’s perhaps no surprise, it’s now very clear how we’re going to play this season. I assume this is very much Jones’s choice, not a forced adaptation to circumstances. We also know it’s not going to be pretty and that at times (or even often) our opponents are going to play a lot more football than we will, but more importantly we don’t know how effective our style of play is going to be.
It’s a fair bet that we’re going to be difficult to play against and that we’ll probably be strong defensively while our challenges are more likely to be at the other end of the pitch. However, we won’t really be able to assess where we’re at until we’ve played a few more games, against a range of different opponents and in a few different game states.
The question is, either way, what can we do between now and the end of the transfer window to become more effective? The first point to make here, it seems to me, is that changing our chosen style of play simply isn’t an option. Even if Jones wanted to (which is doubtful), it’s just too late. The real question then is, given our style of play, where do we want to strengthen and with what type of player or players? I’d assume here that there’s now little point signing anyone who wouldn’t be expected to be a regular starter, though I fully understand that it’s a squad game.
1. There’s been talk of signing a first choice keeper. That might help, on the margin, but it’s certainly not going to be transformational. It’s not as if we need someone to help us play out from the back.
2. Adding to the back five would now appear to be a luxury. If Potts signed, for example, it’s not even obvious he’d be an automatic starter.
3. Right now, Conor Coventry appears to be one of the few players who is nailed on to start. I’d be very surprised, therefore, if we now signed a first choice pivot. And in Jones’s system we only need one which is, of course, the problem for Terry Taylor, not least since a second pivot isn’t even a necessary or desirable off the bench option.
4. Do we need another striker? The answer might well be yes, but it’s hard to see the club making that call until we’ve seen more (or some of) Ahadme, Godden and a fit again Leaburn. Signing another striker now would be admitting an error.
5. That leaves us with the two ‘8’s. Can we find someone with Anderson’s energy and intensity, but with more quality and more maturity? That would be ideal, even if it blocked Anderson’s progress, but where is that player and does Jones even want to replace Anderson? What about Berry and Docherty? Can we do better there? The answer again might be yes, but can we really expect the club to be looking already to upgrade two of this summer’s higher profile signings?
I’m not sure where this leaves us, but I think what I’m saying is that even leaving aside the questions of budget and squad size (and in both respects we almost certainly need to release players before we can sign more), it’s really not obvious to me that there is now much scope for a signing (or two) which would materially improve our chances. A better, more developed version of Anderson might be the only dice available to roll.
At least for now we might have to enjoy it for what it is.
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Post by chertseyaddick on Aug 14, 2024 15:26:52 GMT
The high press works well, we are looking to smother teams deep in their own half but I have two concerns. The first is if opponents play their way out of it we are caught with too many players up the pitch while they counter attack The other issue I see is that we have won the ball in these pressing passages of play but then have no end product. I think what is missing is that the player winning the ball off the press, shouldn't be having the shot at goal. Offload. Perhaps Godden could do it, but the change of mindset from winning the ball to beating the keeper, seconds later is hard. Especially for kids. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 14, 2024 15:32:12 GMT
I thought Rangers were sniffing round him……..decent player though |
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Post by chertseyaddick on Aug 14, 2024 15:36:41 GMT
He's a bit of a short-arse and touted at £1m. Aasgaard is over 6ft, probably could play upfront and would cost about 1/4 of that. Dont want to give Fraser a cosy deal. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 14, 2024 15:38:09 GMT
A few reflections, for what they’re worth. While it’s perhaps no surprise, it’s now very clear how we’re going to play this season. I assume this is very much Jones’s choice, not a forced adaptation to circumstances. We also know it’s not going to be pretty and that at times (or even often) our opponents are going to play a lot more football than we will, but more importantly we don’t know how effective our style of play is going to be. It’s a fair bet that we’re going to be difficult to play against and that we’ll probably be strong defensively while our challenges are more likely to be at the other end of the pitch. However, we won’t really be able to assess where we’re at until we’ve played a few more games, against a range of different opponents and in a few different game states. The question is, either way, what can we do between now and the end of the transfer window to become more effective? The first point to make here, it seems to me, is that changing our chosen style of play simply isn’t an option. Even if Jones wanted to (which is doubtful), it’s just too late. The real question then is, given our style of play, where do we want to strengthen and with what type of player or players? I’d assume here that there’s now little point signing anyone who wouldn’t be expected to be a regular starter, though I fully understand that it’s a squad game. 1. There’s been talk of signing a first choice keeper. That might help, on the margin, but it’s certainly not going to be transformational. It’s not as if we need someone to help us play out from the back. 2. Adding to the back five would now appear to be a luxury. If Potts signed, for example, it’s not even obvious he’d be an automatic starter. 3. Right now, Conor Coventry appears to be one of the few players who is nailed on to start. I’d be very surprised, therefore, if we now signed a first choice pivot. And in Jones’s system we only need one which is, of course, the problem for Terry Taylor, not least since a second pivot isn’t even a necessary or desirable off the bench option. 4. Do we need another striker? The answer might well be yes, but it’s hard to see the club making that call until we’ve seen more (or some of) Ahadme, Godden and a fit again Leaburn. Signing another striker now would be admitting an error. 5. That leaves us with the two ‘8’s. Can we find someone with Anderson’s energy and intensity, but with more quality and more maturity? That would be ideal, even if it blocked Anderson’s progress, but where is that player and does Jones even want to replace Anderson? What about Berry and Docherty? Can we do better there? The answer again might be yes, but can we really expect the club to be looking already to upgrade two of this summer’s higher profile signings? I’m not sure where this leaves us, but I think what I’m saying is that even leaving aside the questions of budget and squad size (and in both respects we almost certainly need to release players before we can sign more), it’s really not obvious to me that there is now much scope for a signing (or two) which would materially improve our chances. A better, more developed version of Anderson might be the only dice available to roll. At least for now we might have to enjoy it for what it is. That's great post Chris. You know my take on it and I don't beat about the bush. It's clear we are trying to convert the three young players on the job: It won't happen. All three have potential but lack L1 standard ability at this stage of their careers. The options to Anderson are Docherty and Berry. I rate neither. When finances are limited it's crackers to tie yourself in knots the way we have. I have match and train tickets at home or Saturday to the value of £159. Already, just two games in, I'm considering not bothering. The first two games have been a painful watch no matter what spin Nathan puts in it. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 14, 2024 15:44:25 GMT
The high press works well, we are looking to smother teams deep in their own half but I have two concerns. The first is if opponents play their way out of it we are caught with too many players up the pitch while they counter attack The other issue I see is that we have won the ball in these pressing passages of play but then have no end product. I think what is missing is that the player winning the ball off the press, shouldn't be having the shot at goal. Offload. Perhaps Godden could do it, but the change of mindset from winning the ball to beating the keeper, seconds later is hard. Especially for kids. All depends how composed you are on the ball mate which is another issue. TC and Kanu don't gave the technical ability to create something out of nothing. If you gain possession through a high press it shouldn't take anymore than two touches with one possibly being a pass, to put the ball in the back of the net. We need to be rapid in those situations before the dispossed defender has a chance to recover. |
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Post by revilo on Aug 14, 2024 15:52:39 GMT
Anyone else concerned that we're halfway through the month and still no CAM signed?
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Post by herewego on Aug 14, 2024 15:54:31 GMT
What’s the hold up with the outgoings Reams? I thought we would have seen some movement now. Just over two weeks now before the window shuts and we are short of players in my opinion. We don’t have that game changer the difference and I don’t think we will. I hope this won’t be another dull season.
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Post by cafcginge on Aug 14, 2024 16:03:25 GMT
What’s the hold up with the outgoings Reams? I thought we would have seen some movement now. Just over two weeks now before the window shuts and we are short of players in my opinion. We don’t have that game changer the difference and I don’t think we will. I hope this won’t be another dull season. I am not itk and have no idea but feel like it could be to do with our business itself. My guess is that we have midfielders ready to offload to clubs but have no one to come in so won’t offload them until we do. And then it is possibly the opposite with the centre backs with ness. We possibly have one ready to come in (guessing Potts if he’s fit) but ness isn’t ready to go out yet so we can’t bring him in. |
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Post by clarky on Aug 14, 2024 16:05:46 GMT
Anyone else concerned that we're halfway through the month and still no CAM signed? I think the majority of us are concerned unfortunately those who can do something about are the ones who currently don't appear to be worried. In saying that it does seem that any incomings are dependent on outgoings coming first. You would hope that when/if Fraser moves on a more attacking /creative player will come in. It is abundantly clear from the first two games that our defence has tightened but that appears to have come at the expense of almost no goal threat whatsoever. Unfortunately, our current crop of midfielders have very limited goals in them and with two strikers already injured and two not good enough this area needs to be addressed or we wont be worrying the top six. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 14, 2024 16:08:02 GMT
What’s the hold up with the outgoings Reams? I thought we would have seen some movement now. Just over two weeks now before the window shuts and we are short of players in my opinion. We don’t have that game changer the difference and I don’t think we will. I hope this won’t be another dull season. I am not itk and have no idea but feel like it could be to do with our business itself. My guess is that we have midfielders ready to offload to clubs but have no one to come in so won’t offload them until we do. And then it is possibly the opposite with the centre backs with ness. We possibly have one ready to come in (guessing Potts if he’s fit) but ness isn’t ready to go out yet so we can’t bring him in. Yeah, that's about it. Waiting to land our own targets before we release players and also waiting for the selling club to bring in who they want too It's why so many deals go tips up. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 14, 2024 16:20:51 GMT
A few reflections, for what they’re worth. While it’s perhaps no surprise, it’s now very clear how we’re going to play this season. I assume this is very much Jones’s choice, not a forced adaptation to circumstances. We also know it’s not going to be pretty and that at times (or even often) our opponents are going to play a lot more football than we will, but more importantly we don’t know how effective our style of play is going to be. It’s a fair bet that we’re going to be difficult to play against and that we’ll probably be strong defensively while our challenges are more likely to be at the other end of the pitch. However, we won’t really be able to assess where we’re at until we’ve played a few more games, against a range of different opponents and in a few different game states. The question is, either way, what can we do between now and the end of the transfer window to become more effective? The first point to make here, it seems to me, is that changing our chosen style of play simply isn’t an option. Even if Jones wanted to (which is doubtful), it’s just too late. The real question then is, given our style of play, where do we want to strengthen and with what type of player or players? I’d assume here that there’s now little point signing anyone who wouldn’t be expected to be a regular starter, though I fully understand that it’s a squad game. 1. There’s been talk of signing a first choice keeper. That might help, on the margin, but it’s certainly not going to be transformational. It’s not as if we need someone to help us play out from the back. 2. Adding to the back five would now appear to be a luxury. If Potts signed, for example, it’s not even obvious he’d be an automatic starter. 3. Right now, Conor Coventry appears to be one of the few players who is nailed on to start. I’d be very surprised, therefore, if we now signed a first choice pivot. And in Jones’s system we only need one which is, of course, the problem for Terry Taylor, not least since a second pivot isn’t even a necessary or desirable off the bench option. 4. Do we need another striker? The answer might well be yes, but it’s hard to see the club making that call until we’ve seen more (or some of) Ahadme, Godden and a fit again Leaburn. Signing another striker now would be admitting an error. 5. That leaves us with the two ‘8’s. Can we find someone with Anderson’s energy and intensity, but with more quality and more maturity? That would be ideal, even if it blocked Anderson’s progress, but where is that player and does Jones even want to replace Anderson? What about Berry and Docherty? Can we do better there? The answer again might be yes, but can we really expect the club to be looking already to upgrade two of this summer’s higher profile signings? I’m not sure where this leaves us, but I think what I’m saying is that even leaving aside the questions of budget and squad size (and in both respects we almost certainly need to release players before we can sign more), it’s really not obvious to me that there is now much scope for a signing (or two) which would materially improve our chances. A better, more developed version of Anderson might be the only dice available to roll. At least for now we might have to enjoy it for what it is. I agree with all of that. Any signings we make now are likely to be as cover, for the players we have, against injuries, suspensions and lack of form - the latter of which I'm more concerned with for the younger players who might need be taken out of the firing line at times during the season. |
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Post by chertseyaddick on Aug 14, 2024 16:21:36 GMT
Liked Mundell post.
1 Dont think we need a better L1 keeper than Mannion at No1 or AMB at cover, but definitely Maclorg is not an option. Need a better U21 keeper or emergency loan.
2. Gilly is mediocre. L1? Would a smallish, oldish Potts be better than one of AM, ZM or LJ playing on the left? Or Edwards LCB and Small outside?
3.CC 1st on teamsheet? Our CMs roles are unfathomable. Only Anderson has pace for press, and he cant win it and pass to a red shirt.
4.You cannot have too many strikers, esp when some are crocked. The TC experiment has legs but a L2 loan beckons to build on it.
5. KA is our only hungry midfielder. Promoted too soon. Should have gone for Wiredu who can excel almost anywhere on the pitch.
Buy Aasgaard instead. Cheap.
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 14, 2024 16:59:32 GMT
Anyone else concerned that we're halfway through the month and still no CAM signed? No still plenty of time teams are holding on to players now until they get their targets .. it’s cat and mouse now it’s who can hold their nerve the longest to get who they want and not a second class replacement |
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Post by grapevine49 on Aug 14, 2024 17:03:05 GMT
Liked Mundell post. 1 Dont think we need a better L1 keeper than Mannion at No1 or AMB at cover, but definitely Maclorg is not an option. Need a better U21 keeper or emergency loan. 2. Gilly is mediocre. L1? Would a smallish, oldish Potts be better than one of AM, ZM or LJ playing on the left? Or Edwards LCB and Small outside? 3.CC 1st on teamsheet? Our CMs roles are unfathomable. Only Anderson has pace for press, and he cant win it and pass to a red shirt. 4.You cannot have too many strikers, esp when some are crocked. The TC experiment has legs but a L2 loan beckons to build on it. 5. KA is our only hungry midfielder. Promoted too soon. Should have gone for Wiredu who can excel almost anywhere on the pitch. Buy Aasgaard instead. Cheap. Final comment from me - already bored you guys too much already. Liked Mundell post too but believe in the incremental benefit of 2 players genuinely competing for a shirt (it is not there) and the Brailsford theory of incremental gains - offerred by those who have travelled the journey. 1. Will Maynard-Brewer drive Mannion to be better? Better keeper/ competitor required - Addition 1 - No Outstanding options yet available. 2. Gilly is good L 1 defender but has no competition at LCB. There is no primary defensive leader. Jones is not a game manager. Addition 2 - probably Potts 3. CC first on team sheet. Can Taylor compete? Anderson is the Press - Addition 3 - Hybrid midfielder - Suggest Campbell (Luton) struggled at Millwall but thrived under Jones. Traditional DCM (Competes with CC) but used by Jones as key disruptor proponent of the Luton press. 4. Have 2 viable strikers Ahadme & Godden. Stuff the theory common sense says cannot carry 2 projects & 2 injury profile(s) Aneke & Leaburn. Prefer another physical presence but not attracted by options. Addition 4 . Lee (Wrexham) offers midfield & secondary striker roles. PS. Yes I know with Berry and Jones, Potts, Campbell and Lee would mean a Luton retirement home. |
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Post by revilo on Aug 14, 2024 17:37:06 GMT
Anyone else concerned that we're halfway through the month and still no CAM signed? No still plenty of time teams are holding on to players now until they get their targets .. it’s cat and mouse now it’s who can hold their nerve the longest to get who they want and not a second class replacement We think we have plenty of time each window but end being forced into either signing players nobody wants or unproven loans |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Aug 14, 2024 17:43:30 GMT
No still plenty of time teams are holding on to players now until they get their targets .. it’s cat and mouse now it’s who can hold their nerve the longest to get who they want and not a second class replacement We think we have plenty of time each window but end being forced into either signing players nobody wants or unproven loans True. |
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Post by AndyB on Aug 14, 2024 17:57:15 GMT
No still plenty of time teams are holding on to players now until they get their targets .. it’s cat and mouse now it’s who can hold their nerve the longest to get who they want and not a second class replacement We think we have plenty of time each window but end being forced into either signing players nobody wants or unproven loans But what BB says is quite accurate, teams and players holding out for bigger paydays - unfortunately it’s the way of the world now |
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Post by clarky on Aug 14, 2024 18:03:54 GMT
We think we have plenty of time each window but end being forced into either signing players nobody wants or unproven loans But what BB says is quite accurate, teams and players holding out for bigger paydays - unfortunately it’s the way of the world now He is correct but our problem is shifting the players we and nobody else seem to want. Nothing much will happen until we do whilst the clock continues to tick |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 14, 2024 18:11:58 GMT
Liked Mundell post. 1 Dont think we need a better L1 keeper than Mannion at No1 or AMB at cover, but definitely Maclorg is not an option. Need a better U21 keeper or emergency loan. 2. Gilly is mediocre. L1? Would a smallish, oldish Potts be better than one of AM, ZM or LJ playing on the left? Or Edwards LCB and Small outside? 3.CC 1st on teamsheet? Our CMs roles are unfathomable. Only Anderson has pace for press, and he cant win it and pass to a red shirt. 4.You cannot have too many strikers, esp when some are crocked. The TC experiment has legs but a L2 loan beckons to build on it. 5. KA is our only hungry midfielder. Promoted too soon. Should have gone for Wiredu who can excel almost anywhere on the pitch. Buy Aasgaard instead. Cheap. Final comment from me - already bored you guys too much already. Liked Mundell post too but believe in the incremental benefit of 2 players genuinely competing for a shirt (it is not there) and the Brailsford theory of incremental gains - offerred by those who have travelled the journey. 1. Will Maynard-Brewer drive Mannion to be better? Better keeper/ competitor required - Addition 1 - No Outstanding options yet available. 2. Gilly is good L 1 defender but has no competition at LCB. There is no primary defensive leader. Jones is not a game manager. Addition 2 - probably Potts 3. CC first on team sheet. Can Taylor compete? Anderson is the Press - Addition 3 - Hybrid midfielder - Suggest Campbell (Luton) struggled at Millwall but thrived under Jones. Traditional DCM (Competes with CC) but used by Jones as key disruptor proponent of the Luton press. 4. Have 2 viable strikers Ahadme & Godden. Stuff the theory common sense says cannot carry 2 projects & 2 injury profile(s) Aneke & Leaburn. Prefer another physical presence but not attracted by options. Addition 4 . Lee (Wrexham) offers midfield & secondary striker roles. PS. Yes I know with Berry and Jones, Potts, Campbell and Lee would mean a Luton retirement home. Good read. Keep them coming grapevine. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Aug 14, 2024 19:28:11 GMT
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Post by 1978sussex on Aug 14, 2024 19:44:46 GMT
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Post by valleydobson1 on Aug 14, 2024 19:46:38 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 14, 2024 19:51:00 GMT
Sam Nombe Aaron Collins Jonson Clarke-Harris Mihaly Kata Anyone can be interested, completing the deal is what matters. Anything else is either just noise which in our case normally sounds like 'We were interested but couldn't quite get it over the line! We've had one of those in every window, why not this one! Kata was named in Hungary's squad for UEFA Euro 2024 so he's be a good acquisition but I can't get my head around sacrificing a CAM for yet another defensive midfielder who if he comes in will be replacing a player who was deemed good enough to keep a CAM out in the first place! |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 14, 2024 19:53:00 GMT
I wonder if this means one of their 8 goalkeepers might be heading our way? |
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Post by brad on Aug 14, 2024 20:40:55 GMT
We haven't got money to spend |
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