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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 5, 2024 12:30:07 GMT
Not sure how I feel asbout this one. Could get a decent fee but I suppose it's the offloading that's they key to us. We have to do it of course but there are a few others I prefer to see go out through the door before him. Agree I wasn't massively happy at seeing it, I think there's defo a player in there. Thing is, looking at his stats, he's only had one season where he's managed over 20 games (26/46 for Burton in 22/23). As a reminder, he featured 5 times for us in the league last year and prior to 22/23, managed 13 appearances in back-to-back seasons. Given we need to move players on, I think it's worth taking the risk with offloading him - especially if there's a fee. To be fair to him he has just turned 23. He didn't feature for Wolves, in the Premier League, when he was 17/18 - no shame there. He was 19 when he went on loan to Grimsby and played regularly until Holloway left and the new manager didn't fancy him. in 2020/21 he played 29 games - 13 for Grimsby and 16 for Burton having moved in the winter Transfer Window. So in those back to back seasons he was 18 at a Premier League club then he, actually played 29 in the other season, not 13. He played 58 games in two seasons with Burton 16 in the half a season when he was 20, and 26 when he was 21. So, a total of 71 games, across two seasons, before he turned 22. Not many players have played many more games at that age. Clearly he was injured last season but that does look more like an outlier than a trend, to me. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Aug 5, 2024 12:30:24 GMT
Personally I’m glad that we are not wasting money on a 37 year old rather look for someone younger and hungrier and not someone looking for a last wage packet as we have had a few times in the past Agreed. A decent loan option should be available later in the window,Mannion with AMB pushing him should be OK for a few games. In an ideal world it would already be sorted,but with the clock ticking if we have the chance to acquire more targets elsewhere then we should take it. Reams,do you believe Gassan is as Marquee as we'll get? |
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Post by cafcginge on Aug 5, 2024 12:34:18 GMT
Surely Taylor possibly going means Edun stays? I know we have lots of players in our squad but offloading Taylor and hopefully Fraser will leave us with only 5 midfielders including Edun and hopefully one more if we sign one. Would’ve rathered it the other way round surely.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 5, 2024 12:35:58 GMT
Surely Taylor going means Edun stays? I know we have lots of players in our squad but offloading Taylor and hopefully Fraser will leave us with only 5 midfielders including Edun and hopefully one more if we sign one. Losing Taylor and keeping Edun would be complete madness……Fraser and Edun are the midfield players we should be offloading |
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Post by cafcginge on Aug 5, 2024 12:42:59 GMT
Surely Taylor going means Edun stays? I know we have lots of players in our squad but offloading Taylor and hopefully Fraser will leave us with only 5 midfielders including Edun and hopefully one more if we sign one. Losing Taylor and keeping Edun would be complete madness……Fraser and Edun are the midfield players we should be offloading completely agree. I can see the reasons why it possibly would happen that way round with age and everything but still doesn’t justify it. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Aug 5, 2024 12:43:54 GMT
Surprised nobody is discussing the most interesting line in that article about Taylor:
"Championship side Plymouth had a bid for Taylor rejected, which alerted Rotherham and Barnsley."
Wonder if Plymouth's rejected bid was for a loan or perm and what the fee was if the latter?
It's odd that us turning down the spending power of a Championship team has somehow brought teams lower down the food chain to the table.
That's assuming the whole thing isn't just the work of Taylor's agent.
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 5, 2024 12:49:08 GMT
Surprised nobody is discussing the most interesting line in that article about Taylor: "Championship side Plymouth had a bid for Taylor rejected, which alerted Rotherham and Barnsley." Wonder if Plymouth's rejected bid was for a loan or perm and what the fee was if the latter? It's odd that us turning down the spending power of a Championship team has somehow brought teams lower down the food chain to the table. That's assuming the whole thing isn't just the work of Taylor's agent. Yeah very odd. Hopefully we continue to reject offers. I wouldn't sell him personally. Would leave us short for his role. I also think he's got talent and hopefully shows it this season. Edun is one I'd want to see go. Either loan or perm. Ideally the latter. I just don't think he fits in this team now we have Edwards. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Aug 5, 2024 12:59:58 GMT
Agree I wasn't massively happy at seeing it, I think there's defo a player in there. Thing is, looking at his stats, he's only had one season where he's managed over 20 games (26/46 for Burton in 22/23). As a reminder, he featured 5 times for us in the league last year and prior to 22/23, managed 13 appearances in back-to-back seasons. Given we need to move players on, I think it's worth taking the risk with offloading him - especially if there's a fee. To be fair to him he has just turned 23. He didn't feature for Wolves, in the Premier League, when he was 17/18 - no shame there. He was 19 when he went on loan to Grimsby and played regularly until Holloway left and the new manager didn't fancy him. in 2020/21 he played 29 games - 13 for Grimsby and 16 for Burton having moved in the winter Transfer Window. So in those back to back seasons he was 18 at a Premier League club then he, actually played 29 in the other season, not 13. He played 58 games in two seasons with Burton 16 in the half a season when he was 20, and 26 when he was 21. So, a total of 71 games, across two seasons, before he turned 22. Not many players have played many more games at that age. Clearly he was injured last season but that does look more like an outlier than a trend, to me. Fair points, I was referring more to recent seasons so I'll discount the very early ones but I hadn't realised there was a loan in-between there during the 20/21 season so appreciate the information. That said, across the last three years he's managed a total of 37 games out of a possible 138, so still a very small %. I don't think it's unfair to say injury has prevented him finding any kind of consistent form. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Aug 5, 2024 13:01:19 GMT
Losing Taylor and keeping Edun would be complete madness……Fraser and Edun are the midfield players we should be offloading completely agree. I can see the reasons why it possibly would happen that way round with age and everything but still doesn’t justify it. Unless there's simply no interest in Edun. If we have incoming targets lined up, and TT is considered a fringe player, maybe Nathan is willing to roll the dice and complete a deal, at risk of losing another incoming target. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Aug 5, 2024 13:03:30 GMT
Meanwhile, Swisdom (a major club sponsor regarded as fairly ITK) on CL has dropped a "57 varieties" hint re a goalie we've recently enquired about.
This is highly likely to be Karl Hein who Barnsley were also being linked with over the weekend.
22-year-old third choice at Arsenal. Very limited domestic experience (five games on loan to Reading) but he is the Estonian national keeper with 30 senior appearances (impressive at that age). Played the whole 90 minutes against Liverpool in a friendly in the States a few days ago.
Given his age and potential (Transfermarkt value him at £2m) this would presumably be a season loan if it happens.
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 5, 2024 13:18:25 GMT
Meanwhile, Swisdom (a major club sponsor regarded as fairly ITK) on CL has dropped a "57 varieties" hint re a goalie we've recently enquired about. This is highly likely to be Karl Hein who Barnsley were also being linked with over the weekend. 22-year-old third choice at Arsenal. Very limited domestic experience (five games on loan to Reading) but he is the Estonian national keeper with 30 senior appearances (impressive at that age). Played the whole 90 minutes against Liverpool in a friendly in the States a few days ago. Given his age and potential (Transfermarkt value him at £2m) this would presumably be a season loan if it happens. Just signed a new 4-year contract at Arsenal so clearly he's highly thought of. uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/arsenal-goalkeeper-karl-hein-signs-110149072.html |
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 5, 2024 13:29:08 GMT
Surprised nobody is discussing the most interesting line in that article about Taylor: "Championship side Plymouth had a bid for Taylor rejected, which alerted Rotherham and Barnsley." Wonder if Plymouth's rejected bid was for a loan or perm and what the fee was if the latter? It's odd that us turning down the spending power of a Championship team has somehow brought teams lower down the food chain to the table. That's assuming the whole thing isn't just the work of Taylor's agent. Or it was just load of rubbish  |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 5, 2024 13:29:21 GMT
The Championship keeper we were interested in is at Southampton. Alex McCarthy was NJ's no.1 at when NJ was there. He was out of contract this summer and all roads pointed to us being interested in him. I said Championship club I know but I do have Saints in my head as being that until the EPL season starts. He signed a two-year extension at the end of June though so I presume he will feature for them even if it's as a no.2 rather than come to us.
I have previously mentioned another one of their keepers on here too, Joe Lumley who also signed a new contract this summer but only a year.
Southampton are lining up a new keeper so one of them will be loaned out I would imagine.
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 5, 2024 13:30:11 GMT
Surprised nobody is discussing the most interesting line in that article about Taylor: "Championship side Plymouth had a bid for Taylor rejected, which alerted Rotherham and Barnsley." Wonder if Plymouth's rejected bid was for a loan or perm and what the fee was if the latter? It's odd that us turning down the spending power of a Championship team has somehow brought teams lower down the food chain to the table. That's assuming the whole thing isn't just the work of Taylor's agent. Or it was just load of rubbish You'd know!!! |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Aug 5, 2024 13:31:09 GMT
Or it was just load of rubbish You'd know!!! 😆 |
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Post by zhengsociety on Aug 5, 2024 13:34:28 GMT
Also wouldn’t be keen on getting rid of TT. He’s with us until 2026 and I was hoping we’d get to see what he’s about this season. Felt for him big time last season.
I would’ve given him the first few months to show what he’s about and if he doesn’t kick on, sell him in Jan or summer? But maybe NJ isn’t as enthused.
Edun, Fraser, Ness and Watson are the ones I’d look to ship off.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 5, 2024 13:39:01 GMT
completely agree. I can see the reasons why it possibly would happen that way round with age and everything but still doesn’t justify it. Unless there's simply no interest in Edun. If we have incoming targets lined up, and TT is considered a fringe player, maybe Nathan is willing to roll the dice and complete a deal, at risk of losing another incoming target. Yes as long as that incoming urgent target is not Hylton!…….With Dixon coming in and Miles coming back we will have 7 forwards on the books including TC……..If he is coming in as a coach fair enough but please keep this away from the playing budget…. Personally I don’t think TT will be a fringe player, it’s a bloody long season and I can see him getting plenty of game time…..Edun on the other I would definitely consider to be a fringe player who would not be getting much game time so you would have thought his agent will be touting him around the circuit |
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Post by jacobearl99 on Aug 5, 2024 13:39:36 GMT
Cawley has pretty much said the report on Taylor isn’t true. Not to say clubs aren’t interested.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 5, 2024 13:41:07 GMT
Also wouldn’t be keen on getting rid of TT. He’s with us until 2026 and I was hoping we’d get to see what he’s about this season. Felt for him big time last season. I would’ve given him the first few months to show what he’s about and if he doesn’t kick on, sell him in Jan or summer? But maybe NJ isn’t as enthused. Edun, Fraser, Ness and Watson are the ones I’d look to ship off. Yep, keep REG as he is very versatile and offload Watson…..I personally would prefer Assimwe as Ramsays back up, I think he will offer more going forward…. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 5, 2024 13:43:01 GMT
Cawley has pretty much said the report on Taylor isn’t true. Not to say clubs aren’t interested. Cryptic response. He doesn't believe the story is true. Could read that many ways. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 5, 2024 13:47:34 GMT
Cawley said the same about Potts signing for us. So far he's right but by the same token could very well be wrong.
Nothing like siitting on the fence is there!!
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Aug 5, 2024 13:48:00 GMT
Agree with shipping Edun (unless Taylor leaves perhaps, although I guess REG could cover DM if needed) but don't think Watson deserves the similar amount of dismissiveness he receives.
Let's remember that the stats site whoscored.com rated Watson as the best RB/RBW in the whole of League 1 last season. They use various criteria to give players a score out of 10 for each game and Watson somehow scored higher than every other right sided defender, taking that spot in their Team Of The Season. So he must be doing something right, albeit something that fans might not notice they way stats geeks do.
Ramsay was the highest rated RB/RWB in League Two (on the same website) when we signed him in January by the way. Edwards was in the official Scottish Championship Team Of The Season (and the division below's the year before) and Small moved clubs for a £3m tribunal set fee a couple of years ago, so we clearly have four very well-regarded wingbacks on our books.
On that basis I wouldn't be averse to Edun (perm) and Asiimwe (loan) being the ones to move on.
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 5, 2024 13:49:22 GMT
Also wouldn’t be keen on getting rid of TT. He’s with us until 2026 and I was hoping we’d get to see what he’s about this season. Felt for him big time last season. I would’ve given him the first few months to show what he’s about and if he doesn’t kick on, sell him in Jan or summer? But maybe NJ isn’t as enthused. Edun, Fraser, Ness and Watson are the ones I’d look to ship off. Yep, keep REG as he is very versatile and offload Watson…..I personally would prefer Assimwe as Ramsays back up, I think he will offer more going forward…. It's Asiimwe's defensive ability I worry about. He's often out of position. He really needs a loan to somewhere he can play a lot of mens football imo. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 5, 2024 13:59:53 GMT
To be fair to him he has just turned 23. He didn't feature for Wolves, in the Premier League, when he was 17/18 - no shame there. He was 19 when he went on loan to Grimsby and played regularly until Holloway left and the new manager didn't fancy him. in 2020/21 he played 29 games - 13 for Grimsby and 16 for Burton having moved in the winter Transfer Window. So in those back to back seasons he was 18 at a Premier League club then he, actually played 29 in the other season, not 13. He played 58 games in two seasons with Burton 16 in the half a season when he was 20, and 26 when he was 21. So, a total of 71 games, across two seasons, before he turned 22. Not many players have played many more games at that age. Clearly he was injured last season but that does look more like an outlier than a trend, to me. Fair points, I was referring more to recent seasons so I'll discount the very early ones but I hadn't realised there was a loan in-between there during the 20/21 season so appreciate the information. That said, across the last three years he's managed a total of 37 games out of a possible 138, so still a very small %. I don't think it's unfair to say injury has prevented him finding any kind of consistent form. I don't want to be difficult but in the last three years he's managed 47 games out of a possible 138, or 16/46, at 20; 26/46 at 21; and 5/46 in an injury ravaged season. So ignoring this last season he's managed 42 out of 92. That's respectable for such a young player, in my opinion. Not that I think this matters too much, if we can't shift anyone else then it might be that sacrificing Taylor is the club's decision. I just wouldn't get rid of him because he's not played enough games. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 5, 2024 14:06:10 GMT
Yep, keep REG as he is very versatile and offload Watson…..I personally would prefer Assimwe as Ramsays back up, I think he will offer more going forward…. It's Asiimwe's defensive ability I worry about. He's often out of position. He really needs a loan to somewhere he can play a lot of mens football imo. My preference would be that we keep Watson as backup for Ramsey and get Assimwe out on loan so that he can play 30 plus games next season. I thought that Watson was better than adequate last season and, remember, that he played most (certainly a lot) of it with a back injury. The young players need to get games and they will develop much faster playing every week than coming on for a few minutes here and there. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 5, 2024 14:09:22 GMT
I just think Watson is so slow getting back. He's so easily outpaced at times when we are defending.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 5, 2024 14:13:41 GMT
I just think Watson is so slow getting back. He's so easily outpaced at times when we are defending. Luckily I think we are really blessed in the Wingback area with Ramsay, Small and Edward’s….I really dont’t think there will be many clubs in our league that will better these….. |
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Post by Bexleyranger on Aug 5, 2024 14:19:43 GMT
I just think Watson is so slow getting back. He's so easily outpaced at times when we are defending. Luckily I think we are really blessed in the Wingback area with Ramsay, Small and Edward’s….I really dont’t think there will be many clubs in our league that will better these….. Ramsay was class on Saturday. Praying he stays fit so I don’t have to endure watching T Watson again. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 5, 2024 14:21:13 GMT
Rumour on the other site that Potts will be the next one in once we have offloaded one……...probably Fraser
Makes sense, would imagine NJ is keen to tie him down ASAP as I would imagine a fit Potts would be attracting interest…..I think I read that Luton were keen to take in him back on a shorter contract….Potts is another Captain and we know how much NJ likes leaders in his side
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 5, 2024 14:26:22 GMT
Luckily I think we are really blessed in the Wingback area with Ramsay, Small and Edward’s….I really dont’t think there will be many clubs in our league that will better these….. Ramsay was class on Saturday. Praying he stays fit so I don’t have to endure watching T Watson again. Judging by the differing views on here Watson could be our new Marmite player…..Once Coventry has won all the fans over with his performances…..🤣🤣 |
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