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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 11:44:04 GMT
Not unless he's fit. They have other options in the event he isn't. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 29, 2024 11:49:06 GMT
I've been saying the same since Saturday. So who is Jones referring to about having to move on apart from the obvious one being Fraser?……Ness, Edun, Assime loan maybe…..AMB maybe if and when Begovich comes in……one more CB will probably have to go so either Zac Michell on loan or maybe REG? |
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Post by Bexleyranger on Jul 29, 2024 11:57:38 GMT
We need a no10 very confused why this wasn’t one of priority targets! Assume perhaps we will have to wait to offload Fraser. The reasoning behind not targeting Keillor-Dunn still bugs me.
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Post by burge on Jul 29, 2024 12:10:13 GMT
And the pelters I was getting here about Aneke… ‘squad size isn’t an issue’ ‘Aneke doesn’t take up a space’… well here it is from the horses mouth that we are already at the point where we need to lose players before being able to add more.. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jul 29, 2024 12:20:26 GMT
And the pelters I was getting here about Aneke… ‘squad size isn’t an issue’ ‘Aneke doesn’t take up a space’… well here it is from the horses mouth that we are already at the point where we need to lose players before being able to add more.. Not sure who's doubting that Aneke takes up a space, he's a senior player over 21 years of age so of course he does... The debate I've seen is financial, that paying him off returns no benefit because it counts towards the FFP rules, wage cap etc. Paying him off early does give you an additional squad space, but you're paying two players wages for the year rather than one so makes no sense to do it. If he plays one game all season and impacts it, it's better to let him go for nothing now and have no budget to replace him. |
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Post by burge on Jul 29, 2024 12:37:12 GMT
And the pelters I was getting here about Aneke… ‘squad size isn’t an issue’ ‘Aneke doesn’t take up a space’… well here it is from the horses mouth that we are already at the point where we need to lose players before being able to add more.. Not sure who's doubting that Aneke takes up a space, he's a senior player over 21 years of age so of course he does... The debate I've seen is financial, that paying him off returns no benefit because it counts towards the FFP rules, wage cap etc. Paying him off early does give you an additional squad space, but you're paying two players wages for the year rather than one so makes no sense to do it. If he plays one game all season and impacts it, it's better to let him go for nothing now and have no budget to replace him. I also find this arguement quite backwards personally. We have a pretty large data set by now showing Aneke cannot affect a season for long enough to be impactful. So yeah keep him around and he may win a game or two. But that’s it. We know he cannot play and consistent part and stands in the way of someone who could, even if they weren’t as effective as him but played a bigger part in the season… they’ve have a greater contribution to the overall season and points tally. Someone like Michael Smith as Reams mentioned for example. I think a lot of us have a bit of blind loyalty to what Chuks ‘can do’ as opposed to what he actually delivers. In all the time we’ve had him in both spells his best season was 9/10 goals off the bench? And that was one season of consistent scorings the other four have been decimated by injury. |
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Post by dittonaddick on Jul 29, 2024 12:39:56 GMT
Not sure who's doubting that Aneke takes up a space, he's a senior player over 21 years of age so of course he does... The debate I've seen is financial, that paying him off returns no benefit because it counts towards the FFP rules, wage cap etc. Paying him off early does give you an additional squad space, but you're paying two players wages for the year rather than one so makes no sense to do it. If he plays one game all season and impacts it, it's better to let him go for nothing now and have no budget to replace him. I also find this arguement quite backwards personally. We have a pretty large data set by now showing Aneke cannot affect a season for long enough to be impactful. So yeah keep him around and he may win a game or two. But that’s it. We know he cannot play and consistent part and stands in the way of someone who could, even if they weren’t as effective as him but played a bigger part in the season… they’ve have a greater contribution to the overall season and points tally. Someone like Michael Smith as Reams mentioned for example. I think a lot of us have a bit of blind loyalty to what Chuks ‘can do’ as opposed to what he actually delivers. In all the time we’ve had him in both spells his best season was 9/10 goals off the bench? And that was one season of consistent scorings the other four have been decimated by injury. What you're doing there is advocating for spending more on strikers. You will save exactly £0 in the wage bill by paying off Chuks. So by all means argue for another striker ontop of what we have, but you cannot use the Aneke money to fund it. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jul 29, 2024 12:43:29 GMT
Not sure who's doubting that Aneke takes up a space, he's a senior player over 21 years of age so of course he does... The debate I've seen is financial, that paying him off returns no benefit because it counts towards the FFP rules, wage cap etc. Paying him off early does give you an additional squad space, but you're paying two players wages for the year rather than one so makes no sense to do it. If he plays one game all season and impacts it, it's better to let him go for nothing now and have no budget to replace him. I also find this arguement quite backwards personally. We have a pretty large data set by now showing Aneke cannot affect a season for long enough to be impactful. So yeah keep him around and he may win a game or two. But that’s it. We know he cannot play and consistent part and stands in the way of someone who could, even if they weren’t as effective as him but played a bigger part in the season… they’ve have a greater contribution to the overall season and points tally. Someone like Michael Smith as Reams mentioned for example. I think a lot of us have a bit of blind loyalty to what Chuks ‘can do’ as opposed to what he actually delivers. In all the time we’ve had him in both spells his best season was 9/10 goals off the bench? And that was one season of consistent scorings the other four have been decimated by injury. No, my point is more we have a set budget, by paying off Aneke you're spending roughly £350k. First of all that is pure waste, no real upside for that except spending even more money to replace his squad position - that's a hard sell to any investor. Not to mention that £350k also counts towards your overall salary cap with zero return. You could in theory do that and bring in a fitter striker, or we can accept his use case (which is every so often, 17 times last year to be precise) and use the budget across the remaining positions. If paying off his contract didn't affect FFP/Salary Cap, then maybe the team may have put their hands in their pockets - but as it stands you can't replace his wages like for like so you're actually detracting from the amount we're allowed to pay other new players. |
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Post by Mundell on Jul 29, 2024 13:37:24 GMT
We need a no10 very confused why this wasn’t one of priority targets! Assume perhaps we will have to wait to offload Fraser. The reasoning behind not targeting Keillor-Dunn still bugs me. Does Nathan Jones agree we need a number 10? Based on the way we’ve set up so far in pre season he’s not planning to play with one. You may or may not agree that’s the right playing strategy, but the recruitment team can only source players for Jones’ ultimate approval that fit the requirements he’s given to them. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 29, 2024 14:21:03 GMT
We need a no10 very confused why this wasn’t one of priority targets! Assume perhaps we will have to wait to offload Fraser. The reasoning behind not targeting Keillor-Dunn still bugs me. Does Nathan Jones agree we need a number 10? Based on the way we’ve set up so far in pre season he’s not planning to play with one. You may or may not agree that’s the right playing strategy, but the recruitment team can only source players for Jones’ ultimate approval that fit the requirements he’s given to them. It doesn't feel like it to me. I don't remember being linked to anyone in that sort of role? I think it's been us fans pushing for it more than anything. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 29, 2024 14:29:25 GMT
Does Nathan Jones agree we need a number 10? Based on the way we’ve set up so far in pre season he’s not planning to play with one. You may or may not agree that’s the right playing strategy, but the recruitment team can only source players for Jones’ ultimate approval that fit the requirements he’s given to them. It doesn't feel like it to me. I don't remember being linked to anyone in that sort of role? I think it's been us fans pushing for it more than anything. For me that tends to put all the goal scoring onus on four positions / players plus maybe a few via set pieces from the CB’s I just can’t see many goals coming from Coventry, Taylor, Anderson or the wingbacks………This is the bit that would concern me the most if we are not bringing another midfielder in with goals and creativity in him….. Surely at times we should be looking to play a diamond and at the top of this should be where more goals and creativity come from |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 14:38:53 GMT
I hope something happens this week I really do.
We had excuses to be well short this time last year but a year on and the owners should know better but I'm not seeing it.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 29, 2024 14:46:10 GMT
I hope something happens this week I really do. We had excuses to be well short this time last year but a year on and the owners should know better but I'm not seeing it. I would hope Bergovich and Potts are signed and in the team for Pompey on Saturday…..that starting team should be the team that lines up at Wigan…..unless Jones pulls something else out of the hat before then….. Rumours that Joe Taylor might be available for loan so surely we should be in for him, especially with the Luton connections…. |
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Post by cafcginge on Jul 29, 2024 14:47:07 GMT
I hope something happens this week I really do. We had excuses to be well short this time last year but a year on and the owners should know better but I'm not seeing it. taking it u haven’t heard anything to update us on reams? |
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Post by clarky on Jul 29, 2024 15:14:11 GMT
We need a no10 very confused why this wasn’t one of priority targets! Assume perhaps we will have to wait to offload Fraser. The reasoning behind not targeting Keillor-Dunn still bugs me. Does Nathan Jones agree we need a number 10? Based on the way we’ve set up so far in pre season he’s not planning to play with one. You may or may not agree that’s the right playing strategy, but the recruitment team can only source players for Jones’ ultimate approval that fit the requirements he’s given to them. Think this is correct. It would appear that Jones likes to set up with two No8s with a CDM behind. The problem we have is that Coventry, Docherty, Berry and Taylor all look more like No6s. I would say Anderson is our most forward midfielder but not sure he is yet good enough to command a regular starting place. Early days but I remain unconvinced that he has the right players to carry out his desired strategy that will produce the goals required from that area of the pitch. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 15:16:48 GMT
I hope something happens this week I really do. We had excuses to be well short this time last year but a year on and the owners should know better but I'm not seeing it. I would hope Bergovich and Potts are signed and in the team for Pompey on Saturday…..that starting team should be the team that lines up at Wigan…..unless Jones pulls something else out of the hat before then….. Rumours that Joe Taylor might be available for loan so surely we should be in for him, especially with the Luton connections…. I mentioned that we were keeping an eye on Taylor a couple of weeks ago. Last I heard was Huddersfield have asked about a loan. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 15:18:02 GMT
I hope something happens this week I really do. We had excuses to be well short this time last year but a year on and the owners should know better but I'm not seeing it. taking it u haven’t heard anything to update us on reams? Only that Begovic should be in the building by the middle of the week. |
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Post by cafcginge on Jul 29, 2024 15:20:32 GMT
taking it u haven’t heard anything to update us on reams? Only that Begovic should be in the building by the middle of the week. Sounds good that. I must say I have missed the random “ITKs” as I feel they haven’t provided enough entertainment this summer. Where’s the links to nombe etc that cause a fan base meltdown😂 |
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Post by roburwash on Jul 29, 2024 15:22:36 GMT
Worth remembering that Jones has decided how he wants to play, players have been recruited with that approach and style in mind (not some other plan fans might prefer or believe to be superior) and that Jones is working with the players to ensure they understand their roles both individually and collectively. He will be largely responsible if it doesn’t work. Has anyone, having watched the friendlies thus far, actually been able to spot how Jones wants to play? What exactly was the system v Wimbledon? It looked disappointingly familiar from the last few years to me. And what players has he recruited for this system and where are they going to play. To my unsophisticated eyes, there doesn't seem much difference from how we played much of last season. I'd also like someone to explain the numbers, rather than positions, that seem to be the rage at the moment - where, for instance, do no. 6 and no. 8 play? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 29, 2024 15:27:43 GMT
Does Nathan Jones agree we need a number 10? Based on the way we’ve set up so far in pre season he’s not planning to play with one. You may or may not agree that’s the right playing strategy, but the recruitment team can only source players for Jones’ ultimate approval that fit the requirements he’s given to them. Think this is correct. It would appear that Jones likes to set up with two No8s with a CDM behind. The problem we have is that Coventry, Docherty, Berry and Taylor all look more like No6s. I would say Anderson is our most forward midfielder but not sure he is yet good enough to command a regular starting place. Early days but I remain unconvinced that he has the right players to carry out his desired strategy that will produce the goals required from that area of the pitch. Blimey Clarky if Anderson is considered to be our most forward midfield player then we really would be in the smelly stuff…..2 goals in 25 last year……I think both Berry and Docherty would have more goals in them and I think NJ is banking on this….. I also don’t think Anderson is good enough yet to be playing the amount of games that he played last year, there is no doubting he has a good engine but his ball retention was pretty poor……. We were pretty average at best in that area of the park last year….. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jul 29, 2024 15:48:13 GMT
Think this is correct. It would appear that Jones likes to set up with two No8s with a CDM behind. The problem we have is that Coventry, Docherty, Berry and Taylor all look more like No6s. This is slightly off topic (sorry) but how do numbers work in terms of positions these days, particularly in terms of the 3-5-2 (or whatever you call it) formation NJ favours? I've always thought of a CDM as being a number 4 (2/3 being full backs and 5/6 centre halves). Similarly, number 10 to me means a target man (playing up front with a #9 poacher, with 7/11 being wingers and 8 a box-to-box midfield general). This has been the case for most of my 40-ish years of going to games, but is obviously 4-4-2 focused. Just asking what people mean by the numbers as talking about "6s/8s/10s" re midfield positions confuses my head when only one of those numbers is historically a midfielder. Maybe we should stick to CAM, CDM and box-to-box or something to save elderly folks like me from getting confused! EDIT: Didn't notice roburwash asked the same question a couple of posts ago. Glad I'm not the only confused one! |
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Post by valley on Jul 29, 2024 16:59:34 GMT
Last signing was July 7th?.
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 29, 2024 17:02:39 GMT
Last signing was July 7th?. GREG DOCHERTY was last player signed 5th july |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 17:03:16 GMT
Last signing was July 7th?. Why do you post such pointless posts? Does it matter when the last signing was? It's the next one that matters. Far too much time on your hands. |
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Post by valley on Jul 29, 2024 17:09:49 GMT
Last signing was July 7th?. Why do you post such pointless posts? Does it matter when the last signing was? It's the next one that matters. Far too much time on your hands. Look how many posts you have on here time on your hands.We signing a 37 Yr old keeper this week. Over 63,000 posts you have Reams. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 17:12:51 GMT
Why do you post such pointless posts? Does it matter when the last signing was? It's the next one that matters. Far too much time on your hands. Look how many posts you have on here time on your hands.We signing a 37 Yr old keeper this week. Over 63,000 posts you have Reams. Difference is I contribute while you just talk shite and post repetitive nonsense. By the way are you not including Raheim Dixon? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 17:14:45 GMT
Why do you post such pointless posts? Does it matter when the last signing was? It's the next one that matters. Far too much time on your hands. Look how many posts you have on here time on your hands.We signing a 37 Yr old keeper this week. Over 63,000 posts you have Reams. What's that got to do with you? I see you are oiver the 1000 mark and I'm still waiting to read one that's coherent. |
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Post by valley on Jul 29, 2024 17:19:05 GMT
Last signing was July 7th?. GREG DOCHERTY was last player signed 5th july I looked back at my Charlton what's app. |
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Post by reddan12 on Jul 29, 2024 17:19:36 GMT
Does Nathan Jones agree we need a number 10? Based on the way we’ve set up so far in pre season he’s not planning to play with one. You may or may not agree that’s the right playing strategy, but the recruitment team can only source players for Jones’ ultimate approval that fit the requirements he’s given to them. Think this is correct. It would appear that Jones likes to set up with two No8s with a CDM behind. The problem we have is that Coventry, Docherty, Berry and Taylor all look more like No6s. I would say Anderson is our most forward midfielder but not sure he is yet good enough to command a regular starting place. Early days but I remain unconvinced that he has the right players to carry out his desired strategy that will produce the goals required from that area of the pitch. Clarky, If you look at Luton last full season under ,Jones, in the championship The midfielders that played the most was Henri Lansbruty, Allan Campbell and Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu. Between they got 5 goals and 4 assist. That midfielder for me is very workman like just like he is trying to build here. He did have ,Robert Snodgrass,for half of that season that played 11 games and no goals and ,Carlos Mendes, only played 9 games no goals. I would say they are more technical midfielders that where used in certain games to give the midfielder 3 a more technical balance and creativity. Luke Berry scored 6 goals and 2 assists but only played 13 games that season. Harry Cornick, got 12 goals in 45 games but ,Adebayo, was top scorer with 17 goals in 42 games. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 17:24:59 GMT
Does Nathan Jones agree we need a number 10? Based on the way we’ve set up so far in pre season he’s not planning to play with one. You may or may not agree that’s the right playing strategy, but the recruitment team can only source players for Jones’ ultimate approval that fit the requirements he’s given to them. Think this is correct. It would appear that Jones likes to set up with two No8s with a CDM behind. The problem we have is that Coventry, Docherty, Berry and Taylor all look more like No6s. I would say Anderson is our most forward midfielder but not sure he is yet good enough to command a regular starting place. Early days but I remain unconvinced that he has the right players to carry out his desired strategy that will produce the goals required from that area of the pitch. Totally agree. |
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