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Post by reddan12 on Jul 28, 2024 20:55:27 GMT
Thanks for that but that's not how Jones wants to play but if you get the chance go back and watch the game it might help and you might learn something. But keep hit and hoping you will get it right one day. Been there done it matey and believe me at a level you can only dream of. You have been playing too much championship manager and sound about 10. No prizes for guessing who this WUM is chaps. He never learns. What are you on about now? |
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Post by chertseyaddick on Jul 28, 2024 21:18:26 GMT
Davis Keillor-Dunn, McAtee, and Kasey Palmer are all different profiles. Kasey Palmer is the only one that would of solved are problem yesterday in build up because he can drop in between the number 6 and 8 position when we are in possession. The other two won't be coming that deep for the ball they like to play higher up the pitch. Hallelujah!! You've got it! Players coming in who can player higher up the pitch is exactly what I have been trying to explain to you. The idea of a CAM coing deep for the ball is crackers. His role within the side is to receive the ball on the half way line and carry it as far up the pitch as he can as quick as he fan, running at defenders and putting them on the back foot. You don't need your goalie passing or throwing it to your CB who in turn nudges it another 10 yards to the defensive midfielder for the attacking midfielder to drop deep to get the ball off him. All that does is allow the opposition to get back and regroup that leaves you facing two banks of four to get through before you make it into the penalty area. A CAM is the outlet for your strikers by getting up into the final third for the to feed off or, you want them to make runs into the channels tackling defenders away so it opens up for you to get an effort in on goal yourself. His job isn't to come deep to get the ball so he can do that. A decent side will drop deep when defending and push forward in attack. Decent sides will have all defenders in opponents half when attacking. When did we ever do that? The idea that an CAM needs to always stay high up the pitch is laughable. CAMs come in different packages. Through balls, dribbling, arriving late in the box, hold-up play, drifting wide for crosses. The idea that they stay high up the pitch creates a black hole between defence and attack that opponents will walk through. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 28, 2024 21:35:05 GMT
Hallelujah!! You've got it! Players coming in who can player higher up the pitch is exactly what I have been trying to explain to you. The idea of a CAM coing deep for the ball is crackers. His role within the side is to receive the ball on the half way line and carry it as far up the pitch as he can as quick as he fan, running at defenders and putting them on the back foot. You don't need your goalie passing or throwing it to your CB who in turn nudges it another 10 yards to the defensive midfielder for the attacking midfielder to drop deep to get the ball off him. All that does is allow the opposition to get back and regroup that leaves you facing two banks of four to get through before you make it into the penalty area. A CAM is the outlet for your strikers by getting up into the final third for the to feed off or, you want them to make runs into the channels tackling defenders away so it opens up for you to get an effort in on goal yourself. His job isn't to come deep to get the ball so he can do that. A decent side will drop deep when defending and push forward in attack. Decent sides will have all defenders in opponents half when attacking. When did we ever do that? The idea that an CAM needs to always stay high up the pitch is laughable. CAMs come in different packages. Through balls, dribbling, arriving late in the box, hold-up play, drifting wide for crosses. The idea that they stay high up the pitch creates a black hole between defence and attack that opponents will walk through. I haven't said mate that a CAM needs to stay high up the pitch, if I had you are right, that would be laughable. My error above was I said he should be looking to receive the ball on the half-way line when I meant to say carry the ball across it so perhaps that was what you were referring to?. Obviously he isn't a CAM when we are defending as he slots back in to a defensive role just like the two wing backs would. Offensively though he needs to be the main ball carrier who can release the strikers and look to play in the wideman. Take last season for example, how often were Dobson and Coventry on top of each other? One of your central midfielders has to venture further up the pitch and look to make that Hollywood pass that opens up defences while the other one stays deep. You need an outlet to take the pressure off yourselves. |
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Post by reddan12 on Jul 28, 2024 21:53:23 GMT
Hallelujah!! You've got it! Players coming in who can player higher up the pitch is exactly what I have been trying to explain to you. The idea of a CAM coing deep for the ball is crackers. His role within the side is to receive the ball on the half way line and carry it as far up the pitch as he can as quick as he fan, running at defenders and putting them on the back foot. You don't need your goalie passing or throwing it to your CB who in turn nudges it another 10 yards to the defensive midfielder for the attacking midfielder to drop deep to get the ball off him. All that does is allow the opposition to get back and regroup that leaves you facing two banks of four to get through before you make it into the penalty area. A CAM is the outlet for your strikers by getting up into the final third for the to feed off or, you want them to make runs into the channels tackling defenders away so it opens up for you to get an effort in on goal yourself. His job isn't to come deep to get the ball so he can do that. A decent side will drop deep when defending and push forward in attack. Decent sides will have all defenders in opponents half when attacking. When did we ever do that? The idea that an CAM needs to always stay high up the pitch is laughable. CAMs come in different packages. Through balls, dribbling, arriving late in the box, hold-up play, drifting wide for crosses. The idea that they stay high up the pitch creates a black hole between defence and attack that opponents will walk through. I'm talking about the other number 8 drop in to the 6 position to help Conor Coventry in build up play. Luke Berry was high up the pitch and kept finding pockets of space but we did not find him. The problem is in the build up play thats got nothing to do with the have a cam and the other problem is not getting the wing backs high enough up the pitch. If we bring in someone for that role to give us a other option. it will be someone that is good out wide and good when they are isolated in areas of the pitch that are tight. They will be give a free role. I hope we try Tyreece Campbell there. Two of the players he suggested don't get involved in the build up play. They like to receive it in between the lines or right half space. Kasey Palmer on the other hand is very good and coming deep for the ball but can also operate in the final third. Witch is why I said Kasey Palmer is the one I would go with. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 28, 2024 22:06:20 GMT
Really need to shift some players out PDQ or all of tonights conversation is academic.
Anyone know what's happened to Ness? Like Fraser he has not been involved at all during pre-season and I have a hunch that REG might be on that list too. I hope not but I feel that for another CB to come in the word is that one of the existing one's has to be sacrificed.
I don't think that applies to Ness as he would have been an used player this season where REG has a role to play.
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Post by chertseyaddick on Jul 28, 2024 22:19:37 GMT
A decent side will drop deep when defending and push forward in attack. Decent sides will have all defenders in opponents half when attacking. When did we ever do that? The idea that an CAM needs to always stay high up the pitch is laughable. CAMs come in different packages. Through balls, dribbling, arriving late in the box, hold-up play, drifting wide for crosses. The idea that they stay high up the pitch creates a black hole between defence and attack that opponents will walk through. I haven't said mate that a CAM needs to stay high up the pitch, if I had you are right, that would be laughable. My error above was I said he should be looking to receive the ball on the half-way line when I meant to say carry the ball across it so perhaps that was what you were referring to?. Obviously he isn't a CAM when we are defending as he slots back in to a defensive role just like the two wing backs would. Offensively though he needs to be the main ball carrier who can release the strikers and look to play in the wideman. Take last season for example, how often were Dobson and Coventry on top of each other? One of your central midfielders has to venture further up the pitch and look to make that Hollywood pass that opens up defences while the other one stays deep. You need an outlet to take the pressure off yourselves. Totally agree with your clarification, but rather than spend money on someone like Palmer whose defensive frailties have been mentioned by his current (longstanding) club, why not Godden who is no longer a prolific goalscorer but gets about the pitch and can put a tackle in and close down and is also a clever player. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 28, 2024 22:23:11 GMT
I'd be fine with that but I would like another striker to arrive to give us that option because between one thing and another, I think he is the one we are relying the most to not only stay fit this season, but to also score the goals.
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Post by Mundell on Jul 29, 2024 6:24:53 GMT
Worth remembering that Jones has decided how he wants to play, players have been recruited with that approach and style in mind (not some other plan fans might prefer or believe to be superior) and that Jones is working with the players to ensure they understand their roles both individually and collectively. He will be largely responsible if it doesn’t work.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jul 29, 2024 6:45:46 GMT
While friendly matches are important for fitness and for helping players understand the balance, shape, and instructions, I have never really paid much attention to the results. For me, if we could bring in only one more player, it would definitely be a midfielder who can drive the ball forward, which would also greatly support our wingbacks. That one player could turn an okay transfer window into a very good one, in my opinion. Unfortunately I cannot see it happening.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 7:05:12 GMT
While friendly matches are important for fitness and for helping players understand the balance, shape, and instructions, I have never really paid much attention to the results. For me, if we could bring in only one more player, it would definitely be a midfielder who can drive the ball forward, which would also greatly support our wingbacks. That one player could turn an okay transfer window into a very good one, in my opinion. Unfortunately I cannot see it happening. My exact point mate. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 29, 2024 7:34:08 GMT
Really need to shift some players out PDQ or all of tonights conversation is academic. Anyone know what's happened to Ness? Like Fraser he has not been involved at all during pre-season and I have a hunch that REG might be on that list too. I hope not but I feel that for another CB to come in the word is that one of the existing one's has to be sacrificed. I don't think that applies to Ness as he would have been an used player this season where REG has a role to play. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 29, 2024 7:56:26 GMT
Really need to shift some players out PDQ or all of tonights conversation is academic. Anyone know what's happened to Ness? Like Fraser he has not been involved at all during pre-season and I have a hunch that REG might be on that list too. I hope not but I feel that for another CB to come in the word is that one of the existing one's has to be sacrificed. I don't think that applies to Ness as he would have been an used player this season where REG has a role to play. I wondered what had happened to him and why he wasn't at the pre-season camp. Although if he's not fit, who is going to buy/loan him in this window? |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jul 29, 2024 8:09:42 GMT
I wondered what had happened to him and why he wasn't at the pre-season camp. Although if he's not fit, who is going to buy/loan him in this window? Most likely a loan then with permanent move if he ok .. think Notts Co are the team keen on him |
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Post by watameires on Jul 29, 2024 8:35:50 GMT
Worth remembering that Jones has decided how he wants to play, players have been recruited with that approach and style in mind (not some other plan fans might prefer or believe to be superior) and that Jones is working with the players to ensure they understand their roles both individually and collectively. He will be largely responsible if it doesn’t work. I’d say jones is wholly responsible if it doesn’t work |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2024 8:39:04 GMT
Worth remembering that Jones has decided how he wants to play, players have been recruited with that approach and style in mind (not some other plan fans might prefer or believe to be superior) and that Jones is working with the players to ensure they understand their roles both individually and collectively. He will be largely responsible if it doesn’t work. I’d say jones is wholly responsible if it doesn’t work I totally agree. There is no hiding behind Scott anymore. This is Jones’s squad and he will live and die by it. |
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Post by dittonaddick on Jul 29, 2024 8:51:58 GMT
I wondered what had happened to him and why he wasn't at the pre-season camp. Although if he's not fit, who is going to buy/loan him in this window? I know a club that would buy him! Rumour has it that Andy Scott has put in 7 bids for Ness so far. He's frustrated as every time he phones himself he goes straight to voicemail which is slowing up progress. Jones is delighted as Scott is so busy negotiating with himself that he finally has some peace and quiet. |
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Post by dittonaddick on Jul 29, 2024 9:27:33 GMT
I’d say jones is wholly responsible if it doesn’t work I totally agree. There is no hiding behind Scott anymore. This is Jones’s squad and he will live and die by it. ish... We signed 23 players last year across loans/frees/short terms and transfers. The agents fees/signing on fees/wages have added up, even if you take out the impact of the bloated squad, there must be an element of there being less funds available after Scott's spending spree. So from that 23, how does Scott's record stack up? Well for a start, 14 of the 23 he signed are no longer at the club 12 months later. That's both a bad sign and a lucky break, but definitely a waste of money! There were a couple of short term signings which you could take out of the equation as they were emergency rolls of the dice from Jones which brings you down to 21. Small and Ramsay are Jones signings and Scott gets no credit for those taking him to 19. Holden brought in May against Scott's wishes so 18. That leaves you with 18 'Scott' players, 2 successes, 16 failures, 7 still here. Of the players that remain I think the below aren't of the standard based on their input so far: Gillesphey, Edun, Watson, Taylor, Coventry. REG and Jones make the cut and REG only for versatility as a squad player IMO. Plus his dicking about lost us Dobbo on a free when he would have commanded a fee so another financial hit. Regardless of the rights or wrongs on Dobbo, would we accept keeping him and putting either the Coventry/Taylor money towards a more attacking midfielder or his transfer fee for that matter? I reckon most would. So last season, a bit of a disaster, but moving into this season is Scott blameless? Even if you put aside the fun tokens he threw around last year and their impact on this year's budget I think not. Across the current squad: GK 2 players - Scott influence 0 DEF: 10 players - Scott influence 5 (50%) MID: 7 players - Scott influence 2 (29%) FWD: 5 players - Scott influence 0. So if we look at the 2 biggest current issues which are a lack of quality in midfield and an inability to keep clean sheets, you cannot say that Scott is blameless. Interestingly, all of the remaining players in the club from Scott's tenure are defensive minded players. For reference I haven't included Z. Mitchell or Ness as senior players in my numbers, I have included Fraser as a senior player despite his seemingly impending departure. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 9:33:59 GMT
I totally agree. There is no hiding behind Scott anymore. This is Jones’s squad and he will live and die by it. ish... We signed 23 players last year across loans/frees/short terms and transfers. The agents fees/signing on fees/wages have added up, even if you take out the impact of the bloated squad, there must be an element of there being less funds available after Scott's spending spree. So from that 23, how does Scott's record stack up? Well for a start, 14 of the 23 he signed are no longer at the club 12 months later. That's both a bad sign and a lucky break, but definitely a waste of money! There were a couple of short term signings which you could take out of the equation as they were emergency rolls of the dice from Jones which brings you down to 21. Small and Ramsay are Jones signings and Scott gets no credit for those taking him to 19. Holden brought in May against Scott's wishes so 18. That leaves you with 18 'Scott' players, 2 successes, 16 failures, 7 still here. Of the players that remain I think the below aren't of the standard based on their input so far: Gillesphey, Edun, Watson, Taylor, Coventry. REG and Jones make the cut and REG only for versatility as a squad player IMO. Plus his dicking about lost us Dobbo on a free when he would have commanded a fee so another financial hit. Regardless of the rights or wrongs on Dobbo, would we accept keeping him and putting either the Coventry/Taylor money towards a more attacking midfielder or his transfer fee for that matter? I reckon most would. So last season, a bit of a disaster, but moving into this season is Scott blameless? Even if you put aside the fun tokens he threw around last year and their impact on this year's budget I think not. Across the current squad: GK 2 players - Scott influence 0 DEF: 10 players - Scott influence 5 (50%) MID: 7 players - Scott influence 2 (29%) FWD: 5 players - Scott influence 0. So if we look at the 2 biggest current issues which are a lack of quality in midfield and an inability to keep clean sheets, you cannot say that Scott is blameless. Interestingly, all of the remaining players in the club from Scott's tenure are defensive minded players. For reference I haven't included Z. Mitchell or Ness as senior players in my numbers, I have included Fraser as a senior player despite his seemingly impending departure. You bear ne to it mate Dickplumb is right, this is Nathan's squad now but he said after the game on Saturday that he wants more in but in order for him to add further to the squad, players would have to leave first. The problem there is shifting them on because they are average footballers that Scott has lumbered us with. Fraser wasn't his appointment but others were therefore he still needs to be held accountable. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jul 29, 2024 9:51:47 GMT
Worth remembering that Jones has decided how he wants to play, players have been recruited with that approach and style in mind (not some other plan fans might prefer or believe to be superior) and that Jones is working with the players to ensure they understand their roles both individually and collectively. He will be largely responsible if it doesn’t work. I’d say jones is wholly responsible if it doesn’t work Like any other manager who don’t get results .. but this is a long term plan and Jones is part of that .. think this season is the toughest league one for a while there 10 teams that their fans expect to not only get top 6 but promotion there going to 7 very good sides that don’t make it , all the teams and fans can ask is that they are in the mix .. |
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Post by dittonaddick on Jul 29, 2024 10:08:00 GMT
Just to underline how far we have come under Jones, a Jones XI with 2 youngsters to support vs a Scott XI.
Recruitment is definitely of a higher calibre now.
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Begovic (TBC)
Mitchell, Ness, Edwards
Ramsay, Berry, Doc, Small
TC
Godden, Ahadme
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Isted
REG, Jones, Gillesphey
Watson, Coventry, Taylor, Edun
Bakinson
Ladapo, Tedic
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 29, 2024 10:18:50 GMT
Just to underline how far we have come under Jones, a Jones XI with 2 youngsters to support vs a Scott XI. Recruitment is definitely of a higher calibre now. Jones: Begovic (TBC) Mitchell, Ness, Edwards Ramsay, Berry, Doc, Small TC Godden, Ahadme Scott: Isted REG, Jones, Gillesphey Watson, Coventry, Taylor, Edun Bakinson Ladapo, Tedic So you're saying Scott is on gardening leave and not actually doing anything? He doesn't have any say on the transfer window this year? This post is very odd. It would only make sense if Scott wasn't here anymore. He is part of both sets of players being recruited above. Also, wasn't Ramsay signed before Jones joined? |
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Post by geronimo on Jul 29, 2024 10:19:35 GMT
I totally agree. There is no hiding behind Scott anymore. This is Jones’s squad and he will live and die by it. ish... We signed 23 players last year across loans/frees/short terms and transfers. The agents fees/signing on fees/wages have added up, even if you take out the impact of the bloated squad, there must be an element of there being less funds available after Scott's spending spree. So from that 23, how does Scott's record stack up? Well for a start, 14 of the 23 he signed are no longer at the club 12 months later. That's both a bad sign and a lucky break, but definitely a waste of money! There were a couple of short term signings which you could take out of the equation as they were emergency rolls of the dice from Jones which brings you down to 21. Small and Ramsay are Jones signings and Scott gets no credit for those taking him to 19. Holden brought in May against Scott's wishes so 18. That leaves you with 18 'Scott' players, 2 successes, 16 failures, 7 still here. Of the players that remain I think the below aren't of the standard based on their input so far: Gillesphey, Edun, Watson, Taylor, Coventry. REG and Jones make the cut and REG only for versatility as a squad player IMO. Plus his dicking about lost us Dobbo on a free when he would have commanded a fee so another financial hit. Regardless of the rights or wrongs on Dobbo, would we accept keeping him and putting either the Coventry/Taylor money towards a more attacking midfielder or his transfer fee for that matter? I reckon most would. So last season, a bit of a disaster, but moving into this season is Scott blameless? Even if you put aside the fun tokens he threw around last year and their impact on this year's budget I think not. Across the current squad: GK 2 players - Scott influence 0 DEF: 10 players - Scott influence 5 (50%) MID: 7 players - Scott influence 2 (29%) FWD: 5 players - Scott influence 0. So if we look at the 2 biggest current issues which are a lack of quality in midfield and an inability to keep clean sheets, you cannot say that Scott is blameless. Interestingly, all of the remaining players in the club from Scott's tenure are defensive minded players. For reference I haven't included Z. Mitchell or Ness as senior players in my numbers, I have included Fraser as a senior player despite his seemingly impending departure. It makes me chuckle really. This one is no good, that one isn't. I blame him , I blame thingamabob or what's his name. All the talk about Ness as well and it turns out he is injured. With all the experts here and on CL , why do we need A Technical Director or even Nathan Jones really..just select the team by committee like we did in Sunday football. For my part I am absolutely convinced that Terry Taylor his a good player. What I have seen thus far of Berry and Doherty hasn't impressed. Coventry needs to show the pedigree it was supposed he had. Gillesphey was signed as a left footed player and I thing he has been by and large ok, given he too arrived with an injury. Edun is left footed. Small us too as is Edwards. I thought Edwards lacked pace against the Wimbledon wide man. However we had bugger all left footed players in defence since Purrington and Naby Sarr. Now we have 4. What is wrong with that at the moment. By the way Godden has done not a lot and Ahadme seems injury prone too. I was banned from.CL for saying Sandgaard was useless and would be gone in 3 years , trying to flog the club after 2. I also said Chuks was a ridiculous waste of money buying him back from Brum. He scored in the 90 plus minute at Cheltenham and I got rounded on. After 5 weeks I started giving it back and the 'group of friends ' their decide I was a troll and cut my output. I objected and was banned. Why is everyone such an expert ? None of us are qualified and none of us are in the dressing room. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jul 29, 2024 10:29:19 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 10:32:48 GMT
ish... We signed 23 players last year across loans/frees/short terms and transfers. The agents fees/signing on fees/wages have added up, even if you take out the impact of the bloated squad, there must be an element of there being less funds available after Scott's spending spree. So from that 23, how does Scott's record stack up? Well for a start, 14 of the 23 he signed are no longer at the club 12 months later. That's both a bad sign and a lucky break, but definitely a waste of money! There were a couple of short term signings which you could take out of the equation as they were emergency rolls of the dice from Jones which brings you down to 21. Small and Ramsay are Jones signings and Scott gets no credit for those taking him to 19. Holden brought in May against Scott's wishes so 18. That leaves you with 18 'Scott' players, 2 successes, 16 failures, 7 still here. Of the players that remain I think the below aren't of the standard based on their input so far: Gillesphey, Edun, Watson, Taylor, Coventry. REG and Jones make the cut and REG only for versatility as a squad player IMO. Plus his dicking about lost us Dobbo on a free when he would have commanded a fee so another financial hit. Regardless of the rights or wrongs on Dobbo, would we accept keeping him and putting either the Coventry/Taylor money towards a more attacking midfielder or his transfer fee for that matter? I reckon most would. So last season, a bit of a disaster, but moving into this season is Scott blameless? Even if you put aside the fun tokens he threw around last year and their impact on this year's budget I think not. Across the current squad: GK 2 players - Scott influence 0 DEF: 10 players - Scott influence 5 (50%) MID: 7 players - Scott influence 2 (29%) FWD: 5 players - Scott influence 0. So if we look at the 2 biggest current issues which are a lack of quality in midfield and an inability to keep clean sheets, you cannot say that Scott is blameless. Interestingly, all of the remaining players in the club from Scott's tenure are defensive minded players. For reference I haven't included Z. Mitchell or Ness as senior players in my numbers, I have included Fraser as a senior player despite his seemingly impending departure. It makes me chuckle really. This one is no good, that one isn't. I blame him , I blame thingamabob or what's his name. All the talk about Ness as well and it turns out he is injured. With all the experts here and on CL , why do we need A Technical Director or even Nathan Jones really..just select the team by committee like we did in Sunday football. For my part I am absolutely convinced that Terry Taylor his a good player. What I have seen thus far of Berry and Doherty hasn't impressed. Coventry needs to show the pedigree it was supposed he had. Gillesphey was signed as a left footed player and I thing he has been by and large ok, given he too arrived with an injury. Edun is left footed. Small us too as is Edwards. I thought Edwards lacked pace against the Wimbledon wide man. However we had bugger all left footed players in defence since Purrington and Naby Sarr. Now we have 4. What is wrong with that at the moment. By the way Godden has done not a lot and Ahadme seems injury prone too. I was banned from.CL for saying Sandgaard was useless and would be gone in 3 years , trying to flog the club after 2. I also said Chuks was a ridiculous waste of money buying him back from Brum. He scored in the 90 plus minute at Cheltenham and I got rounded on. After 5 weeks I started giving it back and the 'group of friends ' their decide I was a troll and cut my output. I objected and was banned. Why is everyone such an expert ? None of us are qualified and none of us are in the dressing room. It's a fans forum where we can all express our views on what we see. Nobody needs to be an expert to see what our shortfalls have been over the last few years and when another window passes without them being fully addressed, paying fans are entitled to comment on it. What do we do just accept last season's rubbish and wave more of it through this season? Our squad building is a 6.5 out of 10 so far for me. We have bought in better players than we have been used to but we are still nowhere near good enough to improve 10 places on last season. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 29, 2024 10:33:46 GMT
I've been saying the same since Saturday. |
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Post by watameires on Jul 29, 2024 10:44:38 GMT
Obvious to all lots still to move on. I personally still like Ness however.
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Post by dittonaddick on Jul 29, 2024 10:49:07 GMT
Just to underline how far we have come under Jones, a Jones XI with 2 youngsters to support vs a Scott XI. Recruitment is definitely of a higher calibre now. Jones: Begovic (TBC) Mitchell, Ness, Edwards Ramsay, Berry, Doc, Small TC Godden, Ahadme Scott: Isted REG, Jones, Gillesphey Watson, Coventry, Taylor, Edun Bakinson Ladapo, Tedic So you're saying Scott is on gardening leave and not actually doing anything? He doesn't have any say on the transfer window this year? This post is very odd. It would only make sense if Scott wasn't here anymore. He is part of both sets of players being recruited above. Also, wasn't Ramsay signed before Jones joined? Scott was no.1 in recruitment before Jones, Jones now calls the shots. Ramsay was at a club so unlike Small we could not wait for the Jones deal to be finalised before progressing, but it was bandied about at the time was that the recommendation came from Jones and that Ramsay joining was a positive sign we were going to secure Jones. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 29, 2024 11:13:33 GMT
ish... We signed 23 players last year across loans/frees/short terms and transfers. The agents fees/signing on fees/wages have added up, even if you take out the impact of the bloated squad, there must be an element of there being less funds available after Scott's spending spree. So from that 23, how does Scott's record stack up? Well for a start, 14 of the 23 he signed are no longer at the club 12 months later. That's both a bad sign and a lucky break, but definitely a waste of money! There were a couple of short term signings which you could take out of the equation as they were emergency rolls of the dice from Jones which brings you down to 21. Small and Ramsay are Jones signings and Scott gets no credit for those taking him to 19. Holden brought in May against Scott's wishes so 18. That leaves you with 18 'Scott' players, 2 successes, 16 failures, 7 still here. Of the players that remain I think the below aren't of the standard based on their input so far: Gillesphey, Edun, Watson, Taylor, Coventry. REG and Jones make the cut and REG only for versatility as a squad player IMO. Plus his dicking about lost us Dobbo on a free when he would have commanded a fee so another financial hit. Regardless of the rights or wrongs on Dobbo, would we accept keeping him and putting either the Coventry/Taylor money towards a more attacking midfielder or his transfer fee for that matter? I reckon most would. So last season, a bit of a disaster, but moving into this season is Scott blameless? Even if you put aside the fun tokens he threw around last year and their impact on this year's budget I think not. Across the current squad: GK 2 players - Scott influence 0 DEF: 10 players - Scott influence 5 (50%) MID: 7 players - Scott influence 2 (29%) FWD: 5 players - Scott influence 0. So if we look at the 2 biggest current issues which are a lack of quality in midfield and an inability to keep clean sheets, you cannot say that Scott is blameless. Interestingly, all of the remaining players in the club from Scott's tenure are defensive minded players. For reference I haven't included Z. Mitchell or Ness as senior players in my numbers, I have included Fraser as a senior player despite his seemingly impending departure. It makes me chuckle really. This one is no good, that one isn't. I blame him , I blame thingamabob or what's his name. All the talk about Ness as well and it turns out he is injured. With all the experts here and on CL , why do we need A Technical Director or even Nathan Jones really..just select the team by committee like we did in Sunday football. For my part I am absolutely convinced that Terry Taylor his a good player. What I have seen thus far of Berry and Doherty hasn't impressed. Coventry needs to show the pedigree it was supposed he had. Gillesphey was signed as a left footed player and I thing he has been by and large ok, given he too arrived with an injury. Edun is left footed. Small us too as is Edwards. I thought Edwards lacked pace against the Wimbledon wide man. However we had bugger all left footed players in defence since Purrington and Naby Sarr. Now we have 4. What is wrong with that at the moment. By the way Godden has done not a lot and Ahadme seems injury prone too. I was banned from.CL for saying Sandgaard was useless and would be gone in 3 years , trying to flog the club after 2. I also said Chuks was a ridiculous waste of money buying him back from Brum. He scored in the 90 plus minute at Cheltenham and I got rounded on. After 5 weeks I started giving it back and the 'group of friends ' their decide I was a troll and cut my output. I objected and was banned. Why is everyone such an expert ? None of us are qualified and none of us are in the dressing room. Must admit I am a bit confused by your post ( and I am not having a dig here) when you say why is everyone such an expert but then you go on to give your opinions on players which you are fully entitled to as are other posters…..that doesn’t make them experts though……just opinions….. My view is that we are so quick to judge players when they have hardly kicked a ball for us let alone got used to playing with new players in a new system…….lets not forget the likely starting line up on August 10 will probably only have Ramsay and Small remaining from the team which ended at Wycombe in May….. Blimey there was a poster on the other site yesterday saying we need to offload Docherty already……WTF…..😳…… It seems unless players hit the ground running straight away they deemed in some eyes dud signings…….I can’t quite get my head around it all…..from memory I am pretty sure Dobson didn’t impress all fans that greatly in his first few months with us and was dropped from the first team if I recall…. The players we have brought in so far in my opinion have been an upgrade on previous recruitment summers and first team starters…..All of which have come with absolute glowing references from fans who have watched these players week in week out for many seasons……We have just seen them In a couple of pre season kickabout friendlies… Some of the players we have brought in previously IMO have been decent enough squad players like Gillesphey, REG, Edun, Watson but we don’t need anymore squad players as we already had the likes of Fraser, Taylor, Campbell, Anderson so NJ has focused on bringing in first team starters and judging by reports today he is looking to offload more squad players to bring in more first team quality starters which to me can only be a good thing….if we can offload the deadwood that is… My major take from Saturday was how frail we still look defensively…..Wimbledon hardly had much of a sniff all game and yet one byline cross is converted by an unmarked centre back in the middle of the 18 yard box, how often did this occur last season when we ball watched so many times instead of marking players…..blimey even Sam Lavelle did it to us at Carlisle when we were in complete control of the game. Also how easy was it for them to come down our left hand side for that second goal….i never seem to see other teams defend like they against us…. I think as a priority we need to bring Potts in to play in that left sided CB….he is experienced, a previous captain and along with Mitchell will organise that back three with Jones playing on the right hand side….. In the summer we offloaded a couple of CBs who had been mainstays in one of probably our worst defensive seasons in years…..and yet to date we have just brought in Mitchell….which makes zero sense to me as this was the area where we were so piss poor last season… It was interesting to hear that NJ said we are on the look out for a new LCB which to me meant he doesn’t have confidence in Gillesphey.. Gillesphey had a decent enough game against the Nigel’s but all I saw from him on Saturday was him receiving the ball and launching 50 yard diagonals to anyone who was near it….surely NJ is not telling him to do this and should be trying to play more through the lines….. It will be interesting to see who the players NJ is refferring to other than Fraser when he says they need to move on as they will not get any game time with us |
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Post by tonyshootersbull on Jul 29, 2024 11:18:30 GMT
He's going Notts county
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 29, 2024 11:25:53 GMT
Obvious to all lots still to move on. I personally still like Ness however. Ness showed great potential and was pretty decent up to that injury and really looked the part especially that night up at Old Trafford….. He didn’t get much game time last season and all I can recall was times like missed headers which cost us at Burton and the night at Crawley when Lolos took the piss out of him and Deji…..it really didnt help having Isted in goal that night as well and every time they went forward they looked very likely to score more than the 4 they actually scored……. |
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