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Post by weststandfruitloop on Mar 21, 2024 18:24:41 GMT
Hypothetically….if Nathan Jones Summer transfer budget is £1,000,000, and he has free reign on how to spend it, as he must have, then spending half of that on paying off the Hungarian side and giving Dobbo a new long term deal seems a no brainer. We won’t buy better for the same money. What are you smoking? Buying out Dobbo's Hungary deal wouldn't cost anything like 500k and we can buy a proper Championship midfielder for that amount (not one club in the Championship showed any interest in Dobson btw, hence the Hungary deal). Given that we'd also need to up his wages significantly (given the wage he agreed as a free agent will be high) and sign him to a lengthy term (since he will be calling the shots) Dobson isn't someone I'm clamouring to see in a Charlton shirt next season. Though we only have three midfielders signed up for next season, two of those (Coventry and Taylor) are DMs anyway, so it's not one of the most urgent areas to strengthen. Personally I'd focus on signing a couple of AMs such as Joe Powell and Dan Kemp. Both are mates of (and used to playing alongside) Coventry and seem to be out of contract in the summer according to online sites. Creativity is what our midfield most lacks. If Dobson has realistic contract demands and we can buy off the Hungarians for £100k-ish to keep him as a squad player, then fair enough, but either way people like Kemp and Powell are far more important imho. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Mar 21, 2024 18:32:43 GMT
My best guess is that the Hungarian side will release him for nothing, and he will stay, he will leave or we will, just, thank him for his efforts and release him.
I don't want to sound too cynical but even if Nathan Jones didn't want Dobson next season he is going to, publicly, say that he does (1) because it gets the fans on side and (2) because we have seen (with Lyle Taylor) what can happen when a player knows he is off. I'm not suggesting that Dobson would go on strike but he might just be, ever so, less likely to throw himself into a tackle.
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Post by sevenoaks on Mar 21, 2024 19:24:59 GMT
My best guess is that the Hungarian side will release him for nothing, and he will stay, he will leave or we will, just, thank him for his efforts and release him. I don't want to sound too cynical but even if Nathan Jones didn't want Dobson next season he is going to, publicly, say that he does (1) because it gets the fans on side and (2) because we have seen (with Lyle Taylor) what can happen when a player knows he is off. I'm not suggesting that Dobson would go on strike but he might just be, ever so, less likely to throw himself into a tackle. I think George Dobson only plays one way, and no way would he be a Lyle Taylor, also I can't see him ducking out of a challenge.. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Mar 21, 2024 19:29:51 GMT
Great post zengaHow would ITTV members feel about the club using a sizeable % of the summer transfer budget to buy Dobson out of his Hungary deal ? It would be a bizarre state of affairs, although looking more likely by the day. It would also surely spell the end at the club for the guy who had created the bum deal in the first place. At the end of the day Dobson did not have to sign any deal .he got a decent offer from the club not the 3 years because if we plan to get promoted next season we will have a player on two deal that we won’t be able to get rid off … because he not a championship player . but he did because he got the 3 year deal and wages of around 10k a week ..abroad a deal that he not worth in English football now people are saying buy him back .. 150,000 max but he still won’t get 3 years .. because he not seen as a long term option which might upset a few but that’s the true fact |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 21, 2024 21:29:55 GMT
Hypothetically….if Nathan Jones Summer transfer budget is £1,000,000, and he has free reign on how to spend it, as he must have, then spending half of that on paying off the Hungarian side and giving Dobbo a new long term deal seems a no brainer. We won’t buy better for the same money. What are you smoking? Buying out Dobbo's Hungary deal wouldn't cost anything like 500k and we can buy a proper Championship midfielder for that amount (not one club in the Championship showed any interest in Dobson btw, hence the Hungary deal). Given that we'd also need to up his wages significantly (given the wage he agreed as a free agent will be high) and sign him to a lengthy term (since he will be calling the shots) Dobson isn't someone I'm clamouring to see in a Charlton shirt next season. Though we only have three midfielders signed up for next season, two of those (Coventry and Taylor) are DMs anyway, so it's not one of the most urgent areas to strengthen. Personally I'd focus on signing a couple of AMs such as Joe Powell and Dan Kemp. Both are mates of (and used to playing alongside) Coventry and seem to be out of contract in the summer according to online sites. Creativity is what our midfield most lacks. If Dobson has realistic contract demands and we can buy off the Hungarians for £100k-ish to keep him as a squad player, then fair enough, but either way people like Kemp and Powell are far more important imho. You’d not only have to compensate the small Hungarian club for Dobson, you’d have to give GD the 3 year contract that he asked for / deserves. Plus a potential signing on fee / loyalty bonus. I still think you’d be looking at upwards of £500,000 to secure Dobson’s services. Based on our recent track record with signing midfielders, we’d be highly unlikely to get better than Dobbo for similar money. Knowing us, we will offer Bakinson a 5 year deal instead. |
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Post by redplanet on Mar 21, 2024 22:31:57 GMT
Getting carried away now. The hype about Dobson is bordering on hysteria. Sure, he is a good guy and a one hundred percenter but there are a lot better midfield players out there and available in the Summer. The type of players we need if the promotion intent is serious. And some people seem to ignore the fact he was offered a contract.
But he is a convenient drum to bang for the anti SMT agenda merchants. Not that some criticism isn't justified.
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Post by bigandy99 on Mar 21, 2024 22:32:02 GMT
We need to buy goals.. not George Dobson..
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Post by redplanet on Mar 21, 2024 22:34:22 GMT
We need to buy goals.. not George Dobson.. Spot on. |
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Post by garrynelson on Mar 21, 2024 22:53:58 GMT
We need to buy goals.. not George Dobson.. A successful team is based on balance and complementing players - if you’re happy to let go of one of the league’s best tacklers (if not the best) then you will need to replace that to balance the team Just because there are several gaps in the squad that we need to fill doesn’t mean we should fill one by creating another I just know the same people dismissively claiming that Dobson leaving is no big deal will be the same ones wondering why our midfield can’t put a tackle in and get the back off the opposition |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Mar 21, 2024 23:26:10 GMT
You’d not only have to compensate the small Hungarian club for Dobson, you’d have to give GD the 3 year contract that he asked for / deserves. Plus a potential signing on fee / loyalty bonus. I still think you’d be looking at upwards of £500,000 to secure Dobson’s services. Shit him into space if so, although I don't think wages amortised over a multi-year contract will be part of your theoretical £1m budget anyway (we're royally f***ed if so). In January we signed the best RWB in L2 (Ramsay) for £100k. The fact he instantly got injured having been ever present all season is a 'curse of Charlton' thing, but he will be back. In February we signed Thierry Small on a free. Regarded as the best young LWB in the country, Southampton signed him for £3-5m two years earlier and turned down a £1m bid from Spurs a year ago. Different positions yeah, but we know what we're doing. Fronting up more than £75k compensation to the Hungarians or more than a two year squad wage contract to a L1 plodder like Dobson is madness imho. I'm pretty sure the club will agree, no matter what all these weird Dobbo fanbois on social media might think x |
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Post by garrynelson on Mar 21, 2024 23:32:05 GMT
👆🏻 here’s one
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Mar 21, 2024 23:40:00 GMT
If you love Dobson so much why don't you marry him? He's leaving and we can do so much better for the money it would cost to prevent that. Or have you not noticed that literally nobody in L1 let alone the Championship made a bid for him in January? |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 22, 2024 6:30:54 GMT
If you love Dobson so much why don't you marry him? He's leaving and we can do so much better for the money it would cost to prevent that. Or have you not noticed that literally nobody in L1 let alone the Championship made a bid for him in January? You are becoming really tedious. Another one going on “ignore” from now on. |
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Post by garrynelson on Mar 22, 2024 7:50:59 GMT
If you love Dobson so much why don't you marry him? He's leaving and we can do so much better for the money it would cost to prevent that. Or have you not noticed that literally nobody in L1 let alone the Championship made a bid for him in January? Ha! Good one. You’re witty On a serious note though, I’m surprised that you seem oblivious to Dobson’s undeniable qualities which won’t be “easy” to replace if/when he leaves in the summer, but maybe you were too busy thinking up witty replies to notice all the tackles he puts in and how he will be a sort of player that these attacking midfielders everyone is clamoring for will want to have in the team to do the dirty work and put in the hard yards |
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Post by clarky on Mar 22, 2024 11:14:53 GMT
Some seem obsessed that other clubs didn't come in for him. Surely the question is whether or not he will be an asset in getting us out of L1? Personally, I think he would be. If he stayed and we did get promoted I think we would probably need to upgrade but a successful promotion season would probably mean he would be saleable to a decent L1 team. As I said previously the position we are in was avoidable but this is where we are now and although I want him to remain I wouldn't want to spend too much of the budget buying him back.
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Post by aaronaldo on Mar 22, 2024 11:50:44 GMT
Another thread which is getting very petty. Please keep the personals out of it.
It's a debate. Argue the topic, not the person with differing views.
Personally, I'd be happy to keep him. However, I'm not that concerned if he does go. I wouldn't want to pay to 'release' him from his contract with the Hungarian team. I'd rather look at other box to box (Conor Gallagher esque) and attacking minded mids. We have Terry Taylor, McGrandles etc on contract who can play the DM role. If we are not considering them in our plans, then we need to look to recruit in that area only after we have secured their loans/sales. Occams Razor's mate Methven mentions the hardest part is getting rid of players that aren't in your plans.
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Post by bigandy99 on Mar 22, 2024 14:08:04 GMT
We need to buy goals.. not George Dobson.. A successful team is based on balance and complementing players - if you’re happy to let go of one of the league’s best tacklers (if not the best) then you will need to replace that to balance the team Just because there are several gaps in the squad that we need to fill doesn’t mean we should fill one by creating another I just know the same people dismissively claiming that Dobson leaving is no big deal will be the same ones wondering why our midfield can’t put a tackle in and get the back off the opposition You’re not wrong… my point was about spending the budget better and tacklers like George Dobson don’t get you promoted, typically.. I like him enormously but we need to figure out why he spends so much time slide tackling! |
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Post by garrynelson on Mar 22, 2024 15:29:27 GMT
A successful team is based on balance and complementing players - if you’re happy to let go of one of the league’s best tacklers (if not the best) then you will need to replace that to balance the team Just because there are several gaps in the squad that we need to fill doesn’t mean we should fill one by creating another I just know the same people dismissively claiming that Dobson leaving is no big deal will be the same ones wondering why our midfield can’t put a tackle in and get the back off the opposition You’re not wrong… my point was about spending the budget better and tacklers like George Dobson don’t get you promoted, typically.. I like him enormously but we need to figure out why he spends so much time slide tackling! Probably because we don’t possess a creative midfielder capable of pushing us forward on the front foot so he is left to do all the tackling in midfield. I would imagine Dobson would much prefer someone beside him capable of holding onto the ball and able to pick out passes to his teammates than some of the dross he has been lumbered with In an ideal hypothetical scenario, he would stay with us and we would also be able to secure the services of a couple of high quality attacking midfielders to complement the midfield we currently have |
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Post by msfc on Mar 22, 2024 23:35:05 GMT
In the original London News article, it says Pre-contracts are legally binding unless there are stipulated get-out clauses.''
There is a different definition related to Footballers signing a Pre-contract.
The enforceability of a pre-contract will depend on the specific terms of the agreement. Pre-contracts are generally not binding under English law as they are usually marked ‘Subject to Contract’ and are simply a commitment by the parties to enter into a later contract. The difference between a pre-contract and a contract is that the parties to the pre-contract have not agreed the essential terms and so the pre-contract does not reflect the final agreement. However, if a pre-contract contains all the essential terms that have been agreed, then the pre-contract is effectively a final contract and is likely to be binding.
So, what did terms are contained in Dobson's pre-contract.
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Post by kings hill addick on Mar 23, 2024 8:38:39 GMT
I can’t, personally, see any point in signing a pre-contract unless it is binding. The main benefit for the player is to avoid being out of contract with an injury that means that he has no income for a lengthy period. If the club can pull out if the player is injured then it is a very high risk strategy for the player.
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Post by Mundell on Mar 23, 2024 11:38:36 GMT
I can’t, personally, see any point in signing a pre-contract unless it is binding. The main benefit for the player is to avoid being out of contract with an injury that means that he had no income for a lengthy period. If the club can pull out if the player is injured then it is a very high risk strategy for the player. Spot on kings hill addick All of the noise about whether a pre contract agreement is legally binding or not is missing the key point. George Dobson obviously wanted to be under contract somewhere when his existing contract expires at the end of June. Otherwise, his best option would have been to become a free agent at the end of the season at which point he could have looked for a new club in England, or anywhere else in the world, unencumbered. It’s clear, therefore, that whatever agreement he has with the club in Hungary it is, defacto, a full contract specifying all terms and conditions. |
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Post by cafcph on Mar 25, 2024 8:21:02 GMT
We got Dobbo for free and I’m sure there will be others as good or better available in the summer.
I really like Dobbo but no doubt Jones will have a couple of options up his sleeve.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Mar 25, 2024 13:41:23 GMT
We got Dobbo for free and I’m sure there will be others as good or better available in the summer. I really like Dobbo but no doubt Jones will have a couple of options up his sleeve. Dobbo has spent most of his Charlton life putting out fires, because his colleagues have not been strong enough around him. I would love to have seen what he could do in a more advanced role, but would hope that we would now be in the market for more proven offensive players. He will be remembered fondly, but we probably need to move on. Love the avatar cafcph, is she yours? |
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Post by revilo on Apr 20, 2024 17:34:13 GMT
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Post by kings hill addick on Apr 20, 2024 18:59:36 GMT
Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with Nathan Jones going on and on about George Dobson after every game now?
If the manager wants to keep him then he can do something about it but he doesn’t need to keep telling anyone that will listen about it.
It is starting to feel like little more than fan appeasement and I don’t think I that is a good look, personally.
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Post by clarky on Apr 20, 2024 19:01:35 GMT
Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with Nathan Jones going on and on about George Dobson after every game now? If the manager wants to keep him then he can do something about it but he doesn’t need to keep telling anyone that will listen about it. It is starting to feel like little more than fan appeasement and I don’t think I that is a good look, personally. Probably just you. |
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Post by roburwash on Apr 20, 2024 19:35:22 GMT
Manager reckons that he should speak truth about a player and he's being a bore for some.
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Post by 995632 on Apr 20, 2024 19:40:29 GMT
Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with Nathan Jones going on and on about George Dobson after every game now? If the manager wants to keep him then he can do something about it but he doesn’t need to keep telling anyone that will listen about it. It is starting to feel like little more than fan appeasement and I don’t think I that is a good look, personally. He keeps going on and on about George Dobson after every game, BECAUSE he keeps being asked over and over about George Dobson after every game... |
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 20, 2024 22:01:01 GMT
Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with Nathan Jones going on and on about George Dobson after every game now? If the manager wants to keep him then he can do something about it but he doesn’t need to keep telling anyone that will listen about it. It is starting to feel like little more than fan appeasement and I don’t think I that is a good look, personally. End of the day it was Dobson’s (and his agent) choice to sign a pre-contract in Hungary rather than sign the CAFC offer or remain a free agent. Nathan Jones has one job over the close season: rebuild the spine of the side which is the absolute weakest we have ever seen. The bookies have us and Wrexham as two of the favourites for promotion next season! But that won't be a complete list until promotion and relegation questions settled. My point is that Jones needs to ensure that CAFC stay in the top six favourites by securing the right players... and winning games from the off. Ideally any questions about Dobson in the future will be met with a "move on" response. It appears that Jones wears his heart on his sleeve. That works well for some, whilst others simply want more creativity. Time will tell where we are after ten games next time. |
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Post by tonycafc on Apr 20, 2024 22:29:10 GMT
Personally reading between the lines CAfC offered George a lot less than he could have got elsewhere, but,but, he still would have stayed because it wasn't about money, he wanted at least a 3 year contract and was only offered 2 by an asshole at the club. Replacing Dobson will cost a lot more, Coventry is half the player, doesn't lookup or forward always looking to pass as soon as he has the ball, not a play maker. Not a promotion winning player.
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