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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 12, 2024 11:29:13 GMT
seriouslyredI am not going to get into bickering , people don’t want to read it, suffice to say you’d know all about my previous memberships on ITTv given the number of times you have DM’d the Mods in the past to get me banned. This will be my final reply to you . We are never going to agree. MundellThe problem with your theory on George Dobson’s contract is that you completely ignored the tragic and deeply flawed track record of the ex Aldershot manager making that decision. He’s the budget holder. As so often, it’s all about the process, and not the flawed individual making the decisions. That team at Reading on Saturday was Andy Scott’s creation. Why shouldn’t George Dobson be paid a comparable or greater amount to the rest of these wasters ? Why are the likes of Fraser, Aneke, McGrandles & Kirk earning far more than him ? I can’t accept your argument that “the club” (by which, let’s be honest, uou mean Scott, Methven & Rodwell) have assessed his market value, when they have spaffed so much money on waster signings. Did they assess Tennai @ Edun’s market value in the same way ? Or Fiorini and Tedic’s ? Apologies for the passion, but Reading was the nadir, and I fear for the future of the club if / when we are relegated to Div 4 We certainly won’t need a 27,000 stadium in League 2 next season, which was maybe the end game for certain individuals all along 🇧🇪 🇩🇰 🇺🇸
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Post by southnorwoodaddick on Feb 12, 2024 11:38:32 GMT
seriouslyredI am not going to get into bickering , people don’t want to read it, suffice to say you’d know all about my previous memberships on ITTv given the number of times you have DM’d the Mods in the past to get me banned. This will be my final reply to you . We are never going to agree. MundellThe problem with your theory on George Dobson’s contract is that you completely ignored the tragic and deeply flawed track record of the ex Aldershot manager making that decision. He’s the budget holder. As so often, it’s all about the process, and not the flawed individual making the decisions. That team at Reading on Saturday was Andy Scott’s creation. Why shouldn’t George Dobson be paid a comparable or greater amount to the rest of these wasters ? Why are the likes of Fraser, Aneke, McGrandles & Kirk earning far more than him ? I can’t accept your argument that “the club” (by which, let’s be honest, uou mean Scott, Methven & Rodwell) have assessed his market value, when they have spaffed so much money on waster signings. Did they assess Tennai @ Edun’s market value in the same way ? Or Fiorini and Tedic’s ? Apologies for the passion, but Reading was the nadir, and I fear for the future of the club if / when we are relegated to Div 4 We certainly won’t need a 27,000 stadium in League 2 next season, which was maybe the end game for certain individuals all along 🇧🇪 🇩🇰 🇺🇸 The contracts for Fraser/Aneke etc weren't agreed by Scott, he likely wants them all out too as they're not seen as good value for money. More comparable would be the wages given to the January signings. Are they closer to what Dobson was offered? We'll never know of course, my view is that Dobson (wrongly) is viewed by management as too expensive and we could get out of the division for cheaper by signing undervalued or younger replacements for Dobson, Kirk, Aneke etc. |
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Post by earlpurple on Feb 12, 2024 11:46:10 GMT
Where I work and where I have worked in the past, I have no idea how much the others in my team are earning.
It would be nice if they were open and gave a list of all the salaries of our team members, not necessarily which of us is earning what, and then we can look at ourselves on that list and see if they are paying us a reasonable amount compared to the others.
If they did I guess whoever is getting the lowest amount on that list would demand a rise, but if they were really one of the most productive members of the team they would consider themselves hugely under-valued.
Is football different in that every member of the club knows that salary the other players are on?
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Post by Mundell on Feb 12, 2024 11:47:16 GMT
seriouslyredI am not going to get into bickering , people don’t want to read it, suffice to say you’d know all about my previous memberships on ITTv given the number of times you have DM’d the Mods in the past to get me banned. This will be my final reply to you . We are never going to agree. MundellThe problem with your theory on George Dobson’s contract is that you completely ignored the tragic and deeply flawed track record of the ex Aldershot manager making that decision. He’s the budget holder. As so often, it’s all about the process, and not the flawed individual making the decisions. That team at Reading on Saturday was Andy Scott’s creation. Why shouldn’t George Dobson be paid a comparable or greater amount to the rest of these wasters ? Why are the likes of Fraser, Aneke, McGrandles & Kirk earning far more than him ? I can’t accept your argument that “the club” (by which, let’s be honest, uou mean Scott, Methven & Rodwell) have assessed his market value, when they have spaffed so much money on waster signings. Did they assess Tennai @ Edun’s market value in the same way ? Or Fiorini and Tedic’s ? Apologies for the passion, but Reading was the nadir, and I fear for the future of the club if / when we are relegated to Div 4 We certainly won’t need a 27,000 stadium in League 2 next season, which was maybe the end game for certain individuals all along 🇧🇪 🇩🇰 🇺🇸 My attempt to discern what happened, or my theory as you put it, said nothing about whether the judgements made were good or bad. Indeed, it’s entirely consistent with the club having made several errors. The benefit of trying to do this, at least as far as I’m concerned, is that it can help us to understand what’s going on, who might have done what and where errors were made. That’s always seemed to me to be better than a simple “good guy”, “bad guy” narrative that when taken to extremes (as it was with Duchatelet, for example) kills any debate and leads to oversimplified conclusions. Just my perspective. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 12, 2024 11:49:55 GMT
seriouslyredI am not going to get into bickering , people don’t want to read it, suffice to say you’d know all about my previous memberships on ITTv given the number of times you have DM’d the Mods in the past to get me banned. This will be my final reply to you . We are never going to agree. MundellThe problem with your theory on George Dobson’s contract is that you completely ignored the tragic and deeply flawed track record of the ex Aldershot manager making that decision. He’s the budget holder. As so often, it’s all about the process, and not the flawed individual making the decisions. That team at Reading on Saturday was Andy Scott’s creation. Why shouldn’t George Dobson be paid a comparable or greater amount to the rest of these wasters ? Why are the likes of Fraser, Aneke, McGrandles & Kirk earning far more than him ? I can’t accept your argument that “the club” (by which, let’s be honest, uou mean Scott, Methven & Rodwell) have assessed his market value, when they have spaffed so much money on waster signings. Did they assess Tennai @ Edun’s market value in the same way ? Or Fiorini and Tedic’s ? Apologies for the passion, but Reading was the nadir, and I fear for the future of the club if / when we are relegated to Div 4 We certainly won’t need a 27,000 stadium in League 2 next season, which was maybe the end game for certain individuals all along 🇧🇪 🇩🇰 🇺🇸 The contracts for Fraser/Aneke etc weren't agreed by Scott, he likely wants them all out too as they're not seen as good value for money. More comparable would be the wages given to the January signings. Are they closer to what Dobson was offered? We'll never know of course, my view is that Dobson (wrongly) is viewed by management as too expensive and we could get out of the division for cheaper by signing undervalued or younger replacements for Dobson, Kirk, Aneke etc. Agreed - but imagine how Dobson felt when the club refused to pay him similar money to players who have literally contributed a tenth of what he has. It’s about basic fairness. |
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Post by westwickhamaddick on Feb 12, 2024 12:05:42 GMT
The problem when you treat your reigning player of the year and captain the way we have , it affects the rest of the squad. It’s no wonder we’re falling off a cliff
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 12, 2024 12:24:40 GMT
This club is shockingly run. Can’t sack a manager properly, can’t liaise with the fans in an open and honest way, can’t pay fair wages, can’t even manage a transfer window without buying a lot of tat. No wonder we are in bother. I'm not doubting what you say but fair wages mean different things to different people. When the club are losing c. £8m a year and are fifth from bottom there is a question mark about all of the player's wages. Just because one player might be earning much, much more than he is worth doesn't mean that we should pay all the players as much. In fact there should be significant disparity between what the players earn. No two players contribute exactly the same and some are easier to replace than others - so are worth less. If Dobson was earning way less that he is worth he would have had a queue of clubs lining up to sign him. It doesn't look like he did. |
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Post by roburwash on Feb 12, 2024 12:25:04 GMT
The whole sorry mess could have been avoided if, at the start of the season, Dobson had been awarded a contract commensurate with his importance to the team, something that the majority of fans would have agreed he deserved. But Scott didn't see that value and began to freeze him out. The fact that Dobson has continued to play this season with the 100% commitment that he has always shown despite knowing that his boss doesn't rate him and was prepared to bring in inferior players to replace him is a testament to Dobson's character. Scott's record of bringing in crocks and no hopers is a testament to his incompetence and poor judgement.
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Feb 12, 2024 12:59:00 GMT
3. Dobson is our captain and POTY. The problem when you treat your reigning player of the year and captain the way we have... George Dobson isn't our current POTY. That's Jesurun Rak-Sakyi. The fact the Dobbo fanbois can't even get something that basic and well-known right makes me less inclined to blindly accept their other takes on GD's value etc. |
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Post by ploppy on Feb 12, 2024 13:01:43 GMT
3. Dobson is our captain and POTY. The problem when you treat your reigning player of the year and captain the way we have... George Dobson isn't our current POTY. That's Jesurun Rak-Sakyi. The fact the Dobbo fanbois can't even get something that basic and well-known right makes me less inclined to blindly accept their other takes on GD's value etc. Technically he is our current player of the year. He is a current player. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Feb 12, 2024 13:26:48 GMT
If we're relying on someone who OPENLY DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE to save us from relegation then we're f***ed to a level that should make you cry. Even a sitcom script about a failing lower league football club would scrap this new plotline as too unrealistic! Sorry to disagree, but I think George Dobson has been treated shabbily,and he loves Charlton... He has a young family and his future to secure, and from what I hear he has made no unreasonable demands. He can’t love the club that much otherwise he would accept the 2 year plus option of another year instead of holding out for a straight 3 years .. |
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Post by manikin on Feb 12, 2024 13:58:19 GMT
Sorry to disagree, but I think George Dobson has been treated shabbily,and he loves Charlton... He has a young family and his future to secure, and from what I hear he has made no unreasonable demands. He can’t love the club that much otherwise he would accept the 2 year plus option of another year instead of holding out for a straight 3 years .. Surely it's all about the financial package and made to feel wanted and appreciated. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Feb 12, 2024 13:59:33 GMT
Sorry to disagree, but I think George Dobson has been treated shabbily,and he loves Charlton... He has a young family and his future to secure, and from what I hear he has made no unreasonable demands. He can’t love the club that much otherwise he would accept the 2 year plus option of another year instead of holding out for a straight 3 years .. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by cafcjack83 on Feb 12, 2024 14:26:06 GMT
This club is shockingly run. Can’t sack a manager properly, can’t liaise with the fans in an open and honest way, can’t pay fair wages, can’t even manage a transfer window without buying a lot of tat. No wonder we are in bother. Cant pay a fair wage is your opinion. Unless someone can highlight the squads wages accurately with proof. |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Feb 12, 2024 14:32:06 GMT
This club is shockingly run. Can’t sack a manager properly, can’t liaise with the fans in an open and honest way, can’t pay fair wages, can’t even manage a transfer window without buying a lot of tat. No wonder we are in bother. Cant pay a fair wage is your opinion. Unless someone can highlight the squads wages accurately with proof. As if he's not on a "fair wage" already. It's easy to talk about what people need to be payed when you aren't paying the bills. |
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Post by ploppy on Feb 12, 2024 14:37:53 GMT
Cant pay a fair wage is your opinion. Unless someone can highlight the squads wages accurately with proof. As if he's not on a "fair wage" already. It's easy to talk about what people need to be payed when you aren't paying the bills. I am paying for a season ticket so I am paying his wages. If you want we can go into the last 15 games without him - it’s up to you. |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Feb 12, 2024 14:41:42 GMT
As if he's not on a "fair wage" already. It's easy to talk about what people need to be payed when you aren't paying the bills. I am paying for a season ticket so I am paying his wages. If you want we can go into the last 15 games without him - it’s up to you. Your season ticket is not paying his wages mate. You've paid for the rights to watch every home game for the season. That's it. Someone else is covering the losses to fulfil that right for you. |
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Post by ploppy on Feb 12, 2024 14:43:41 GMT
This club is shockingly run. Can’t sack a manager properly, can’t liaise with the fans in an open and honest way, can’t pay fair wages, can’t even manage a transfer window without buying a lot of tat. No wonder we are in bother. Cant pay a fair wage is your opinion. Unless someone can highlight the squads wages accurately with proof. It’s a fact to Dobbo. If he is upset with his wages then it might have something to do with not being paid his worth when others get a better deal. That’s unfair. If you did overtime and outperformed your contemporaries then asking for something fairer is not unreasonable isn’t it? |
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Post by ploppy on Feb 12, 2024 14:45:55 GMT
I am paying for a season ticket so I am paying his wages. If you want we can go into the last 15 games without him - it’s up to you. Your season ticket is not paying his wages mate. You've paid for the rights to watch every home game for the season. That's it. Someone else is covering the losses it creates. Wrong. I am contributing to the overall finances of the club. The season ticket revenue is part of those finances. If nobody went to the games woukd we be having this conversation? |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Feb 12, 2024 14:49:26 GMT
Your season ticket is not paying his wages mate. You've paid for the rights to watch every home game for the season. That's it. Someone else is covering the losses it creates. Wrong. I am contributing to the overall finances of the club. The season ticket revenue is part of those finances. If nobody went to the games woukd we be having this conversation? That's not what you said first time around though is it? There's nothing to disagree on about what you've just written. You do indeed contribute to the finances of the club. And you have received something in return for that. The money you've contributed has already been attributed back to you. On the seat you take up. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Feb 12, 2024 15:01:19 GMT
Cant pay a fair wage is your opinion. Unless someone can highlight the squads wages accurately with proof. It’s a fact to Dobbo. If he is upset with his wages then it might have something to do with not being paid his worth when others get a better deal. That’s unfair. If you did overtime and outperformed your contemporaries then asking for something fairer is not unreasonable isn’t it? I think the biggest insult is paid less than Tennai Watson. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 12, 2024 15:01:36 GMT
Wrong. I am contributing to the overall finances of the club. The season ticket revenue is part of those finances. If nobody went to the games woukd we be having this conversation? That's not what you said first time around though is it? There's nothing to disagree on about what you've just written. You do indeed contribute to the finances of the club. And you have received something in return for that. The money you've contributed has already been attributed back to you. On the seat you take up. You are being silly & pedantic. You only had to look at our team at Reading on Saturday without George Dobson to realise how bloody awful we are. I’m in no doubt that Nathan Jones rang the alarm bells & the investors on Saturday evening, and insisted that the terms of Dobson’s transfer be changed so he can play again & help keep us up. Anyone slagging off George Dobson & saying he’s not worth the money clearly hasn’t seen Coventry, Bakinson or Louie Taylor live. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Feb 12, 2024 15:01:42 GMT
It’s a fact to Dobbo. If he is upset with his wages then it might have something to do with not being paid his worth when others get a better deal. That’s unfair. If you did overtime and outperformed your contemporaries then asking for something fairer is not unreasonable isn’t it? I think the biggest insult is paid less than Tennai Watson. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Feb 12, 2024 15:02:40 GMT
In all honesty it sounds like personal from Scott.
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Post by ploppy on Feb 12, 2024 15:06:13 GMT
Wrong. I am contributing to the overall finances of the club. The season ticket revenue is part of those finances. If nobody went to the games woukd we be having this conversation? That's not what you said first time around though is it? There's nothing to disagree on about what you've just written. You do indeed contribute to the finances of the club. And you have received something in return for that. The money you've contributed has already been attributed back to you. On the seat you take up. Wrong again. I have received fuck all except a sub par team with a below par SMT I place my season ticket funds in trust to be spent wisely. Not on some KFC eating half wits that can’t kick a tree stump or a Caribbean jolly for our SMT. If our best chance of staying up is bunging Dobbo an extra 3 k a week then what’s the problem? |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 12, 2024 15:12:16 GMT
Sounds like the George Dobson transfer is off.
Nathan Jones has told Rich Cawley that the terms didn’t suit us.
“In the end, we didn’t want to do it” - NJ.
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Feb 12, 2024 15:13:32 GMT
That's not what you said first time around though is it? There's nothing to disagree on about what you've just written. You do indeed contribute to the finances of the club. And you have received something in return for that. The money you've contributed has already been attributed back to you. On the seat you take up. You are being silly & pedantic. You only had to look at our team at Reading on Saturday without George Dobson to realise how bloody awful we are. I’m in no doubt that Nathan Jones rang the alarm bells & the investors on Saturday evening, and insisted that the terms of Dobson’s transfer be changed so he can play again & help keep us up. Anyone slagging off George Dobson & saying he’s not worth the money clearly hasn’t seen Coventry, Bakinson or Louie Taylor live. What's silly? Or pedantic about what I just wrote? |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Feb 12, 2024 15:14:15 GMT
That's not what you said first time around though is it? There's nothing to disagree on about what you've just written. You do indeed contribute to the finances of the club. And you have received something in return for that. The money you've contributed has already been attributed back to you. On the seat you take up. Wrong again. I have received fuck all except a sub par team with a below par SMT I place my season ticket funds in trust to be spent wisely. Not on some KFC eating half wits that can’t kick a tree stump or a Caribbean jolly for our SMT. If our best chance of staying up is bunging Dobbo an extra 3 k a week then what’s the problem? He's here until season end. We haven't sold him. |
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Post by clarky on Feb 12, 2024 15:15:36 GMT
Reading the latest posts on this debate I have just realised that by having a season ticket I am contributing to Scotts wages!
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Feb 12, 2024 15:16:55 GMT
Reading the latest posts on this debate I have just realised that by having a season ticket I am contributing to Scotts wages! And the cleaning boy! |
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