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Post by addickted2021 on Feb 13, 2024 20:38:52 GMT
Yet another assist!
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Post by 995632 on Feb 13, 2024 21:54:15 GMT
For their goal yes. Chuks had the assist for Ladapo. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Feb 14, 2024 7:03:38 GMT
If Nathan Jones gets his way and demands Dobson stays, and I’m absolutely positive he will, that should be the end of Andy Scott and his bingo box of recruiting players. I would love to be a fly on the wall when the SMT asks for a couple of hundred thousand pounds from the investors to keep Dobbo when he was already ours! You literally couldn’t make it up. Coventry, I’m sure, will be a good player, perhaps, but at present, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he is better than Dobbo. Can you imagine if we had used the Coventry money on a position we actually needed? Another good reason to sack Scott with immediate effect.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 14, 2024 8:53:01 GMT
If Nathan Jones gets his way and demands Dobson stays, and I’m absolutely positive he will, that should be the end of Andy Scott and his bingo box of recruiting players. I would love to be a fly on the wall when the SMT asks for a couple of hundred thousand pounds from the investors to keep Dobbo when he was already ours! You literally couldn’t make it up. Coventry, I’m sure, will be a good player, perhaps, but at present, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he is better than Dobbo. Can you imagine if we had used the Coventry money on a position we actually needed? Another good reason to sack Scott with immediate effect. Spot on. Interesting that Conor Coventry was dropped last night for “tactical reasons” (source Rich Cawley). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2024 8:59:20 GMT
If Nathan Jones gets his way and demands Dobson stays, and I’m absolutely positive he will, that should be the end of Andy Scott and his bingo box of recruiting players. I would love to be a fly on the wall when the SMT asks for a couple of hundred thousand pounds from the investors to keep Dobbo when he was already ours! You literally couldn’t make it up. Coventry, I’m sure, will be a good player, perhaps, but at present, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he is better than Dobbo. Can you imagine if we had used the Coventry money on a position we actually needed? Another good reason to sack Scott with immediate effect. Spot on. Interesting that Conor Coventry was dropped last night for “tactical reasons” (source Rich Cawley). Yep, Coventry is tactically inept. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 14, 2024 10:13:27 GMT
Spot on. Interesting that Conor Coventry was dropped last night for “tactical reasons” (source Rich Cawley). Yep, Coventry is tactically inept. NJ suggested it was to rotate the squad due to the shifts certain players have put in. That was the 'tactical' reason. “They are just tactical decisions,” said Jones. “We have got a big squad and a lot of games coming up. People put in big shifts and not everyone will be able to do every week, so there will be some tough decisions." “You will be asking me some question about one player this week and one player the next. Look, we can only pick 18. If I could pick 25 then brilliant – but we can’t. “I’ve got some difficult decisions and difficult decisions week in and week out – but that’s what I get paid for.” |
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 14, 2024 11:08:05 GMT
Yep, Coventry is tactically inept. NJ suggested it was to rotate the squad due to the shifts certain players have put in. That was the 'tactical' reason. “They are just tactical decisions,” said Jones. “We have got a big squad and a lot of games coming up. People put in big shifts and not everyone will be able to do every week, so there will be some tough decisions." “You will be asking me some question about one player this week and one player the next. Look, we can only pick 18. If I could pick 25 then brilliant – but we can’t. “I’ve got some difficult decisions and difficult decisions week in and week out – but that’s what I get paid for.” That's very interesting. That changes the landscape a lot. |
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Post by clarky on Feb 14, 2024 11:21:45 GMT
If Nathan Jones gets his way and demands Dobson stays, and I’m absolutely positive he will, that should be the end of Andy Scott and his bingo box of recruiting players. I would love to be a fly on the wall when the SMT asks for a couple of hundred thousand pounds from the investors to keep Dobbo when he was already ours! You literally couldn’t make it up. Coventry, I’m sure, will be a good player, perhaps, but at present, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he is better than Dobbo. Can you imagine if we had used the Coventry money on a position we actually needed? Another good reason to sack Scott with immediate effect. Good post. We don't need Dobson and Coventry in the same starting 11 so resting Coventry last night makes sense.. At the time I thought Coventry was a good signing, and he still might be, but spending that money at the expense of replacing the creative quality which we knew we were going to lose is absolute madness. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Feb 14, 2024 13:10:30 GMT
If Nathan Jones gets his way and demands Dobson stays, and I’m absolutely positive he will, that should be the end of Andy Scott and his bingo box of recruiting players. I would love to be a fly on the wall when the SMT asks for a couple of hundred thousand pounds from the investors to keep Dobbo when he was already ours! You literally couldn’t make it up. Coventry, I’m sure, will be a good player, perhaps, but at present, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he is better than Dobbo. Can you imagine if we had used the Coventry money on a position we actually needed? Another good reason to sack Scott with immediate effect. Good post. We don't need Dobson and Coventry in the same starting 11 so resting Coventry last night makes sense.. At the time I thought Coventry was a good signing, and he still might be, but spending that money at the expense of replacing the creative quality which we knew we were going to lose is absolute madness. I'm not sure any of us know our best midfield three, nor for that matter the best choice for three centre back slots. But game by game we will soon see what Jones makes of our squad. Whatever we make of the recruitment in the last window (and the failure to replace CBT) we do have a fairly large squad, and now find ourselves with four fit centre forwards. Not that anybody expects more than 30 minutes from Aneke every week! There's an aspiration to stick to SCMP but the owners can inject extra capital at any time. Right now the squad is the squad. Will be interesting to see how Jones shapes the first XI (& subs) especially the midfield. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 14, 2024 13:20:05 GMT
If Nathan Jones gets his way and demands Dobson stays, and I’m absolutely positive he will, that should be the end of Andy Scott and his bingo box of recruiting players. I would love to be a fly on the wall when the SMT asks for a couple of hundred thousand pounds from the investors to keep Dobbo when he was already ours! You literally couldn’t make it up. Coventry, I’m sure, will be a good player, perhaps, but at present, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he is better than Dobbo. Can you imagine if we had used the Coventry money on a position we actually needed? Another good reason to sack Scott with immediate effect. Good post. We don't need Dobson and Coventry in the same starting 11 so resting Coventry last night makes sense.. At the time I thought Coventry was a good signing, and he still might be, but spending that money at the expense of replacing the creative quality which we knew we were going to lose is absolute madness. I think all the January business was does on the assumption that we were better than mid-table and would be stronger for the run in and would finish strongly. This would give the indication that next season we would challenge at the top of the table next season so that we would have good season ticket sales. I think that when Appleton was asked if he was worried about relegation, and he laughed, he genuinely thought we were going to be nowhere near the bottom of the table. I don't know, exactly, what went wrong with the recruitment. Many of the players we brought in had played in teams that had finished much, much higher than we were at the time, never mind now. Ladapo, for example, has been a scoring machine in League One, and he is one of five players, brought in in January, that have played at Championship level. Add to that the fact that we signed three in the summer that had played in the Championship, and already had three in the squad that had played above League One. Why this squad of players, now, look so terrible is a bit of a mystery, to be honest. Some of them should be too good for a team that hasn't won in fourteen games and hasn't kept a clean sheet in nineteen games. |
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Post by se7sm on Feb 14, 2024 14:19:34 GMT
Spot on. Interesting that Conor Coventry was dropped last night for “tactical reasons” (source Rich Cawley). Yep, Coventry is tactically inept. not sure how much football Coventry has played but wouldn’t surprise me if not hundred percent fit |
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 14, 2024 14:28:16 GMT
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Post by clarky on Feb 14, 2024 15:34:51 GMT
Good post. We don't need Dobson and Coventry in the same starting 11 so resting Coventry last night makes sense.. At the time I thought Coventry was a good signing, and he still might be, but spending that money at the expense of replacing the creative quality which we knew we were going to lose is absolute madness. I think all the January business was does on the assumption that we were better than mid-table and would be stronger for the run in and would finish strongly. This would give the indication that next season we would challenge at the top of the table next season so that we would have good season ticket sales. I think that when Appleton was asked if he was worried about relegation, and he laughed, he genuinely thought we were going to be nowhere near the bottom of the table. I don't know, exactly, what went wrong with the recruitment. Many of the players we brought in had played in teams that had finished much, much higher than we were at the time, never mind now. Ladapo, for example, has been a scoring machine in League One, and he is one of five players, brought in in January, that have played at Championship level. Add to that the fact that we signed three in the summer that had played in the Championship, and already had three in the squad that had played above League One. Why this squad of players, now, look so terrible is a bit of a mystery, to be honest. Some of them should be too good for a team that hasn't won in fourteen games and hasn't kept a clean sheet in nineteen games. the problem with the recruitment was around half of the nine brought in hadn't played much football recently, not what you need in a relegation scrap with the creativity moving elsewhere and not being replaced. |
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Post by Mundell on Feb 14, 2024 16:21:00 GMT
I think all the January business was does on the assumption that we were better than mid-table and would be stronger for the run in and would finish strongly. This would give the indication that next season we would challenge at the top of the table next season so that we would have good season ticket sales. I think that when Appleton was asked if he was worried about relegation, and he laughed, he genuinely thought we were going to be nowhere near the bottom of the table. I don't know, exactly, what went wrong with the recruitment. Many of the players we brought in had played in teams that had finished much, much higher than we were at the time, never mind now. Ladapo, for example, has been a scoring machine in League One, and he is one of five players, brought in in January, that have played at Championship level. Add to that the fact that we signed three in the summer that had played in the Championship, and already had three in the squad that had played above League One. Why this squad of players, now, look so terrible is a bit of a mystery, to be honest. Some of them should be too good for a team that hasn't won in fourteen games and hasn't kept a clean sheet in nineteen games. the problem with the recruitment was around half of the nine brought in hadn't played much football recently, not what you need in a relegation scrap with the creativity moving elsewhere and not being replaced. I’m sure that’s right clarky I think kings hill addick ‘s point is that when planning for the January window (both ins and outs) there was almost certainly no thought that we might be in a relegation battle so we weren’t recruiting for one. Instead, we were recruiting for what was expected to be a long preseason with several players on what are, in effect, extended trials. A good example is Fiorini. He clearly isn’t ready for the kind of battle we were in last night. This has obviously backfired spectacularly and is clearly one of the things that’s gone badly wrong. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Feb 14, 2024 16:25:16 GMT
the problem with the recruitment was around half of the nine brought in hadn't played much football recently, not what you need in a relegation scrap with the creativity moving elsewhere and not being replaced. I’m sure that’s right clarky I think kings hill addick ‘s point is that when planning for the January window (both ins and outs) there was almost certainly no thought that we might be in a relegation battle so we weren’t recruiting for one. Instead, we were recruiting for what was expected to be a long preseason with several players on what are, in effect, extended trials. A good example is Fiorini. He clearly isn’t ready for the kind of battle we were in last night. This has obviously backfired spectacularly and is clearly one of the things that’s gone badly wrong. Andy Scott has got more “previous” than Norman Fletcher from Porridge though 🤔 This is the same man who went on Charlton TV in December 2022 to assure fans he wouldn’t be at the club if he didn’t have a competitive Jan 23 transfer budget. He then went on to sign Kane, Kilkenny, Penney & Bonne. Is it possible that all of us, me and Mundell included, are just over analysing the current Technical Director. Everything in Scott’s track record at both Forest and now with us points to him just not being a very good judge of a player. It probably is that simple. |
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Post by clarky on Feb 14, 2024 16:55:40 GMT
the problem with the recruitment was around half of the nine brought in hadn't played much football recently, not what you need in a relegation scrap with the creativity moving elsewhere and not being replaced. I’m sure that’s right clarky I think kings hill addick ‘s point is that when planning for the January window (both ins and outs) there was almost certainly no thought that we might be in a relegation battle so we weren’t recruiting for one. Instead, we were recruiting for what was expected to be a long preseason with several players on what are, in effect, extended trials. A good example is Fiorini. He clearly isn’t ready for the kind of battle we were in last night. This has obviously backfired spectacularly and is clearly one of the things that’s gone badly wrong. I understand what kings hill addick is getting at but that just makes Scott a bigger idiot than we think he is. From the beginning of October until the end of the transfer window we won four league games, that is 4 wins in 4 months, how on earth did he think a relegation battle might not be a possibility? |
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Post by coloradocafc on Feb 14, 2024 17:01:00 GMT
I recognize that piloting a club is probably more like steering a yacht than it is a speedboat. That said, you'd think there would be at least some capacity to alter plans as reality requires.
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Post by clarky on Feb 14, 2024 17:04:39 GMT
I’m sure that’s right clarky I think kings hill addick ‘s point is that when planning for the January window (both ins and outs) there was almost certainly no thought that we might be in a relegation battle so we weren’t recruiting for one. Instead, we were recruiting for what was expected to be a long preseason with several players on what are, in effect, extended trials. A good example is Fiorini. He clearly isn’t ready for the kind of battle we were in last night. This has obviously backfired spectacularly and is clearly one of the things that’s gone badly wrong. Andy Scott has got more “previous” than Norman Fletcher from Porridge though 🤔 This is the same man who went on Charlton TV in December 2022 to assure fans he wouldn’t be at the club if he didn’t have a competitive Jan 23 transfer budget. He then went on to sign Kane, Kilkenny, Penney & Bonne. Is it possible that all of us, me and Mundell included, are just over analysing the current Technical Director. Everything in Scott’s track record at both Forest and now with us points to him just not being a very good judge of a player. It probably is that simple. His judge of a player with us is absolutely appalling. And whatever league we are in next season we face yet another rebuild. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 14, 2024 17:41:07 GMT
I’m sure that’s right clarky I think kings hill addick ‘s point is that when planning for the January window (both ins and outs) there was almost certainly no thought that we might be in a relegation battle so we weren’t recruiting for one. Instead, we were recruiting for what was expected to be a long preseason with several players on what are, in effect, extended trials. A good example is Fiorini. He clearly isn’t ready for the kind of battle we were in last night. This has obviously backfired spectacularly and is clearly one of the things that’s gone badly wrong. I understand what kings hill addick is getting at but that just makes Scott a bigger idiot than we think he is. From the beginning of October until the end of the transfer window we won four league games, that is 4 wins in 4 months, how on earth did he think a relegation battle might not be a possibility? I don’t disagree with you but I didn’t think we were in a relagation battle before the middle of January and until we lost to Burton on 20th January I was still very confident that we would wouldn’t get drawn into it. It changed very quickly and most of the signings we made in January would have been lined up before Christmas, when I don’t think anyone was looking down the table. If anything we were all hoping that the new players might just see us climbing the table to finish in the top ten. Maybe others saw this coming before I did but I don’t remember reading many people predicting it until a few weeks ago. |
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Post by clarky on Feb 14, 2024 19:18:49 GMT
I understand what kings hill addick is getting at but that just makes Scott a bigger idiot than we think he is. From the beginning of October until the end of the transfer window we won four league games, that is 4 wins in 4 months, how on earth did he think a relegation battle might not be a possibility? I don’t disagree with you but I didn’t think we were in a relagation battle before the middle of January and until we lost to Burton on 20th January I was still very confident that we would wouldn’t get drawn into it. It changed very quickly and most of the signings we made in January would have been lined up before Christmas, when I don’t think anyone was looking down the table. If anything we were all hoping that the new players might just see us climbing the table to finish in the top ten. Maybe others saw this coming before I did but I don’t remember reading many people predicting it until a few weeks ago. No disrespect to you but what you and I think is irrelevant. What is relevant is what the Technical Director is paid to do and that is to consider all possibilities even it doesn't happen and he seems to overlooked relegation as a possibility. There were warning signs after the draw with Cray Valley and late November/early December it was certainly clear things had deteriorated so it didn't change "very quickly". I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but he had enough time before the January window commenced to consider alternatives to those he was already trying to line up. With the injuries to key players we had at the time and knowing that CBT and Fraser were near on certain to leave it was inexcusable to bring in five players who weren't and still aren't fit whilst leaving gaps in key positions. He did this and his record in recruitment is the major reason why we are in danger of going into the lowest tier in the history of the club. It is unbelievable that he is still in post yet two managers have been sacked and a team largely built by him is as high as 20th in L1 only because two of the teams below have games in hand. I apologise if it appears I am having a go at you and that is not my intent but this man has dragged us down to the depths we have not witnessed before and we are left relying on two injury prone players to stay fit for the rest of the season just to offer us a slim chance of survival. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 21, 2024 12:00:12 GMT
What appears to be a very public & blatant plea from Nathan Jones today on George Dobson.
Rich Cawley;
“He’s been brilliant. I enjoy working with him. He’s been fantastic. The energy he provides and the way he is around the place, I have been delighted with him”
“We don’t want any good players to walk out of the club, and George is one of those”
#IAgreeWithNathan
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Post by manikin on Mar 21, 2024 12:41:12 GMT
What appears to be a very public & blatant plea from Nathan Jones today on George Dobson. Rich Cawley; “He’s been brilliant. I enjoy working with him. He’s been fantastic. The energy he provides and the way he is around the place, I have been delighted with him” “We don’t want any good players to walk out of the club, and George is one of those” #IAgreeWithNathan We don't have many in the club that can inspire others, he can, must keep if at all possible. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Mar 21, 2024 15:39:26 GMT
What appears to be a very public & blatant plea from Nathan Jones today on George Dobson. Rich Cawley; “He’s been brilliant. I enjoy working with him. He’s been fantastic. The energy he provides and the way he is around the place, I have been delighted with him” “We don’t want any good players to walk out of the club, and George is one of those” #IAgreeWithNathan This really doesn’t show up our present recruitment personnel in a good light……We keep plenty of players that NJ clearly doesn’t rate hanging around like a bad smell and sell off the Crown Jewels at the first opportunity……and we would have to pay to get him back…..you really couldn’t make this s..t up could you? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 21, 2024 15:49:43 GMT
What appears to be a very public & blatant plea from Nathan Jones today on George Dobson. Rich Cawley; “He’s been brilliant. I enjoy working with him. He’s been fantastic. The energy he provides and the way he is around the place, I have been delighted with him” “We don’t want any good players to walk out of the club, and George is one of those” #IAgreeWithNathan This really doesn’t show up our present recruitment personnel in a good light……We keep plenty of players that NJ clearly doesn’t rate hanging around like a bad smell and sell off the Crown Jewels at the first opportunity……and we would have to pay to get him back…..you really couldn’t make this s..t up could you? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Everything I have been told - and the sources are impeccable- suggest that Dobson was all but forced to leave by a member of the SMT, who’s relationship with Dobson had deteriorated dramatically. It has been suggested in another place today that CAFC will agree to pay a fee to release Dobson from his Hungarian deal…as you say Auks …a complete farce 🤦♂️ |
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Post by zenga on Mar 21, 2024 16:43:27 GMT
This really doesn’t show up our present recruitment personnel in a good light……We keep plenty of players that NJ clearly doesn’t rate hanging around like a bad smell and sell off the Crown Jewels at the first opportunity……and we would have to pay to get him back…..you really couldn’t make this s..t up could you? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Everything I have been told - and the sources are impeccable- suggest that Dobson was all but forced to leave by a member of the SMT, who’s relationship with Dobson had deteriorated dramatically. It has been suggested in another place today that CAFC will agree to pay a fee to release Dobson from his Hungarian deal…as you say Auks …a complete farce 🤦♂️ Wasn't there an interview with AS who said something along the lines of: 'we make them (referring to Dobson and CBT) an offer, if they don't want to take it and leave the club so be it, that's football, we will just replace them'. While that is indeed true to a certain extend, I found it both a very simplistic and cocky view. While I don't rate Dobson in his role before NJ arrived (where he did a bit of everything, organically), I do believe that he can be of enormous value as the captain in a team where he is e.g. the 7th best player, where he can play that role to perfection. You don't replace such a player that easily. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 21, 2024 16:50:44 GMT
Great post zengaHow would ITTV members feel about the club using a sizeable % of the summer transfer budget to buy Dobson out of his Hungary deal ? It would be a bizarre state of affairs, although looking more likely by the day. It would also surely spell the end at the club for the guy who had created the bum deal in the first place. |
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Post by garrynelson on Mar 21, 2024 17:41:53 GMT
Great post zengaHow would ITTV members feel about the club using a sizeable % of the summer transfer budget to buy Dobson out of his Hungary deal ? It would be a bizarre state of affairs, although looking more likely by the day. It would also surely spell the end at the club for the guy who had created the bum deal in the first place. Have there been any reports about whether such a scenario (buying Dobson out of his Hungarian contract) would be possible and, if so, how much it would cost the club to do so? I’d love him to stay as I’ve always thought he did the work that often goes unappreciated and did it very well - his stats back this up. How much would a like for like replacement cost the club in comparison to buying him out? |
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Post by clarky on Mar 21, 2024 17:56:32 GMT
It is a situation that should never have been allowed to happen but it has. If there is a chance of him remaining we should only do so if it is cheaper than replacing him with somebody of an equivalent calibre.
My preference would be to get rid of Scott as replacing him with a cheaper equivalent and/or better option is more likely and then use any savings to retain Dobson.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Mar 21, 2024 18:02:52 GMT
Great post zengaHow would ITTV members feel about the club using a sizeable % of the summer transfer budget to buy Dobson out of his Hungary deal ? It would be a bizarre state of affairs, although looking more likely by the day. It would also surely spell the end at the club for the guy who had created the bum deal in the first place. Have there been any reports about whether such a scenario (buying Dobson out of his Hungarian contract) would be possible and, if so, how much it would cost the club to do so? I’d love him to stay as I’ve always thought he did the work that often goes unappreciated and did it very well - his stats back this up. How much would a like for like replacement cost the club in comparison to buying him out? It’s forum & social media generated, following Nathan Jones’ fairly unambiguous comments about wanting to keep George Dobson earlier today. Hypothetically….if Nathan Jones Summer transfer budget is £1,000,000, and he has free reign on how to spend it, as he must have, then spending half of that on paying off the Hungarian side and giving Dobbo a new long term deal seems a no brainer. We won’t buy better for the same money. Rather than feeding the “slating individuals “ narrative being peddled by some , I’ll add that such a costly mistake should have consequences for the employee who made it. |
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Post by clarky on Mar 21, 2024 18:21:33 GMT
Unfortunately, I think Dobson will go and the comments from Jones is a way of getting at Scott eg one in the bank for NJ.
My problem is that Coventry was brought in for the no.4 role and whilst he maybe a better footballer than Dobson he isn't strong enough in the tackle for that position and it is highly possible without Dobson he will become exposed. So the replacement needs to be a Dobson type tackler who can play slightly further up the field. Don't think that will necessarily be cheap.
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