crapgame
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Post by crapgame on Jan 31, 2024 17:13:33 GMT
Oh my, aren't a lot of people clearly demonstrating their 'passion' for their club! Christ, knee-jerk is an understatement! By the sounds of it, there are about 6 championship managers all desperately fighting each other to get the cafc managers job, really? what, so they can put 'avoided relegation to league 2' on their CV's!! I suspect some will go through the process and say, no thanks and the club will have a similar situation to their experience of the recruitment of players. I would love to have Jones for a long term jig, but I wouldn't be surprised if he and/or some of the others turn it down when you consider our current position and recent history.
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Post by ashaddick on Jan 31, 2024 17:22:41 GMT
I agree with our Millwall fan and have a nagging fear about GR, but we will probably get whom we deserve.
Myself I’d go for NJ or someone completely left field who can enliven our squad by instilling some self belief and add a spark and a little excitement to my weekends.
If all else fails I suppose there is the good lady to fall back on for the latter 🤔
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Post by millwallfan on Jan 31, 2024 17:33:17 GMT
Sorry, but Rowett didn’t carry us. He got lucky that the 4 seasons we finished as high as we did was more down to how poorly the Championship was during that period.
Compare then to this season, where stronger teams from the Premiership came down, and decent teams like Ipswich came up from league 1. There are also other teams in our division that have wealthy owners who splashed the cash during the summer to improve their squads and they are reaping the benefits from that. Even though we ourselves strengthened the squad in the summer, buying the Belgian Casper De Norre in midfield (who has turned out to be a good buy) but the likes of left back Joe Bryan and striker Kevin Nisbet have flattered to deceive.
In Rowett’s 11 games in charge this season, we won 4, drew 3 and lost 4 (and of those 4 losses, 3 were at home - 2 of which were 3-0 drubbings by Leeds and Swansea). We also lost 4-0 at home under Rowett to a second string Reading side in the Carabao Cup. We never recovered from that poor start and our new manager, Joe Edwards has had to come in and do his best to change the mindset of the players and get them playing better, more free flowing football. It’s taken a while but he’s getting there and serial centre half lumpers like Jake Cooper and Shaun Hutchinson can now actually play the ball out from the back with relative ease. Something Rowett never tried to instill in them.
Our new chairman, James Berylson, has allocated funds for two loan signings in this window, the lad from Spurs, centre half Japhet Tanganga and striker Michael Obafemi from Burnley, and today we have bought (for around £1 million including add ons) the 19 year old left winger from Morecambe, Adam Mayor. Hopefully these 3 players, with their pace and youth, will help us create more chances to push us up to a mid table finish in the Championship. Unfortunately, Rowett never realised the need for pace and athleticism in his Millwall side, but Joe Edwards does, and that’s the difference between the two managers. Edwards is progressive and forward thinking whilst Rowett is backwards in his thinking, sticking to dinosaur tactics and play.
Thank God he’s gone.
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Post by millwallfan on Jan 31, 2024 17:34:30 GMT
Couldn’t care less the type of football we are playing as long as we get out this league. We are in no position to be worrying about the style of football we are playing when we are in a relegation fight in league one. Getting us winning games is the number one priority |
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Post by keepthefaith on Jan 31, 2024 17:40:12 GMT
Whatever way we cut it, these new owners and their SMT have us in the biggest danger of relegation to L2 we have been in. They need to make the right decision, and they need to make it quickly.
Ludicrous that we are at the end of the window when it was blatant that Appleton wasn't going to work so much earlier. Suggests they need to trim down the committee making the decisions if the rumours of disagreements holding up the choice are true. Let's hope no more managers in the Championship get sacked in the next few days or that will slow the decision making even more (or Moore?)
I'll be shocked if we hear about a new manager even tomorrow now. Here's hoping though!
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 31, 2024 17:42:49 GMT
Whatever way we cut it, these new owners and their SMT have us in the biggest danger of relegation to L2 we have been in. They need to make the right decision, and they need to make it quickly. Ludicrous that we are at the end of the window when it was blatant that Appleton wasn't going to work so much earlier. Suggests they need to trim down the committee making the decisions if the rumours of disagreements holding up the choice are true. Let's hope no more managers in the Championship get sacked in the next few days or that will slow the decision making even more (or Moore?) I'll be shocked if we hear about a new manager even tomorrow now. Here's hoping though! You can’t blame the new owners as they only been in the chair 6 months .. they got 18 years of mistakes and poor management to contend with that when the decline started in Richard Murray last few years in the position |
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Post by millwallfan on Jan 31, 2024 17:43:04 GMT
Unfortunately for him and us, Rowett has never managed a side to promotion.
My fear for you is that he may stabilise your club in the short term (as he did us after Harris left), but if SE7 partners start handing him the cash to buy X, Y and Z, beware, because he has form buying crocked, older type players (he loves buying midfielders) who are no longer wanted by their clubs and who don’t have the interest or desire to bust a gut for their new team or their fans.
I think Nathan Jones (if you can get him) would have more desire, spirit and passion coursing through his little finger, than Rowett would have in his entire body.
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Post by millwallfan on Jan 31, 2024 17:45:16 GMT
I come on here in peace and with a warning. You do not want Gary Rowett as your manager. His football is dull, defensive and shocking to watch. The amount of money our late chairman (and now his son) gave him in the last few transfer windows was spunked up the wall buying or loaning in crocked footballers who were usually in the last chance saloon of their career. Look back at his previous managerial career and listen to any fans of the clubs he managed. Derby and particularly Stoke fans don’t have a good word to say about him. When Rowett was at Stoke he spent more than £50 million pounds on players to no avail, putting them in serious financial trouble which they are just now getting out of. It was only at Birmingham that Rowett had some success, and even now the Birmingham fans, whilst not having the vitriol towards him as Derby and Stoke fans do, didn’t really rate him. At Millwall he would buy players and play them out of position. His substitutes were often brought on far to late to have any impact (and only then when we had gone behind) and these subs were generally like for like, replacing a better player with someone of lesser ability. If this all sounds familiar to you with the previous managers you’ve had, doing the same thing, then having Gary Rowett as your manager is not going to be an upgrade for you in the future. Be careful what you wish for.
I think one of the reasons Millwall got out of the league and didn't look back is becuase you had a big, physical side with two big strikers who could finish. That's the formula - Collins at Luton, Woodrow at Barnsley, Morrison/Gregory at Millwall and arguably Bishop at Pompy this year. Charlton have been lacking that true #9 focal point and if Rowatt identifies that and builds a team around it, I'd take 1-0 wins all day long.
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Post by Tom1982 on Jan 31, 2024 17:46:06 GMT
How do you mute people on here!? Just curious. Anyway hopefully it’s just some last minute contract stuff being sorted and the new manager will have at least some input in a few players tomorrow!
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Post by keepthefaith on Jan 31, 2024 17:47:03 GMT
Whatever way we cut it, these new owners and their SMT have us in the biggest danger of relegation to L2 we have been in. They need to make the right decision, and they need to make it quickly. Ludicrous that we are at the end of the window when it was blatant that Appleton wasn't going to work so much earlier. Suggests they need to trim down the committee making the decisions if the rumours of disagreements holding up the choice are true. Let's hope no more managers in the Championship get sacked in the next few days or that will slow the decision making even more (or Moore?) I'll be shocked if we hear about a new manager even tomorrow now. Here's hoping though! You can’t blame the new owners as they only been in the chair 6 months .. they got 18 years of mistakes and poor management to contend with that when the decline started in Richard Murray last few years in the position No question that they bought us at a low point which wouldn't be an overnight fix. But - their decision making on manager, on-the-pitch priorities, timing for sacking Appleton, selling of our most dangerous player (whether we liked CBT or not) without replacing, and lack of plan for the second half of the window and new manager isn't really anybody else's issue. If the next manager appointment is a good one, and we can end the season on a high then roll on next season. They just need to make the correct decision, sharpish. |
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Post by Bexleyranger on Jan 31, 2024 17:58:16 GMT
Sorry, but Rowett didn’t carry us. He got lucky that the 4 seasons we finished as high as we did was more down to how poorly the Championship was during that period. Compare then to this season, where stronger teams from the Premiership came down, and decent teams like Ipswich came up from league 1. There are also other teams in our division that have wealthy owners who splashed the cash during the summer to improve their squads and they are reaping the benefits from that. Even though we ourselves strengthened the squad in the summer, buying the Belgian Casper De Norre in midfield (who has turned out to be a good buy) but the likes of left back Joe Bryan and striker Kevin Nisbet have flattered to deceive. In Rowett’s 11 games in charge this season, we won 4, drew 3 and lost 4 (and of those 4 losses, 3 were at home - 2 of which were 3-0 drubbings by Leeds and Swansea). We also lost 4-0 at home under Rowett to a second string Reading side in the Carabao Cup. We never recovered from that poor start and our new manager, Joe Edwards has had to come in and do his best to change the mindset of the players and get them playing better, more free flowing football. It’s taken a while but he’s getting there and serial centre half lumpers like Jake Cooper and Shaun Hutchinson can now actually play the ball out from the back with relative ease. Something Rowett never tried to instill in them. Our new chairman, James Berylson, has allocated funds for two loan signings in this window, the lad from Spurs, centre half Japhet Tanganga and striker Michael Obafemi from Burnley, and today we have bought (for around £1 million including add ons) the 19 year old left winger from Morecambe, Adam Mayor. Hopefully these 3 players, with their pace and youth, will help us create more chances to push us up to a mid table finish in the Championship. Unfortunately, Rowett never realised the need for pace and athleticism in his Millwall side, but Joe Edwards does, and that’s the difference between the two managers. Edwards is progressive and forward thinking whilst Rowett is backwards in his thinking, sticking to dinosaur tactics and play. Thank God he’s gone. You signed Mayor for £300k. Millwall fans and numbers. Never a good combo. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 31, 2024 18:01:56 GMT
Whatever way we cut it, these new owners and their SMT have us in the biggest danger of relegation to L2 we have been in. They need to make the right decision, and they need to make it quickly. Ludicrous that we are at the end of the window when it was blatant that Appleton wasn't going to work so much earlier. Suggests they need to trim down the committee making the decisions if the rumours of disagreements holding up the choice are true. Let's hope no more managers in the Championship get sacked in the next few days or that will slow the decision making even more (or Moore?) I'll be shocked if we hear about a new manager even tomorrow now. Here's hoping though! Excellent post. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jan 31, 2024 18:02:04 GMT
Are these Millwall fans for real!?
Rowett may not have been solely responsible,but they were performing above expectations surely?
Jake Cooper
Jed Wallace
Zian Flemming
Tom Bradshaw
I'd love a team with these sort of players in it.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 31, 2024 18:04:41 GMT
Whatever way we cut it, these new owners and their SMT have us in the biggest danger of relegation to L2 we have been in. They need to make the right decision, and they need to make it quickly. Ludicrous that we are at the end of the window when it was blatant that Appleton wasn't going to work so much earlier. Suggests they need to trim down the committee making the decisions if the rumours of disagreements holding up the choice are true. Let's hope no more managers in the Championship get sacked in the next few days or that will slow the decision making even more (or Moore?) I'll be shocked if we hear about a new manager even tomorrow now. Here's hoping though! You can’t blame the new owners as they only been in the chair 6 months .. they got 18 years of mistakes and poor management to contend with that when the decline started in Richard Murray last few years in the position Beyond parody to see you now criticising a succession of owners, when you’ve had your head up their chuffs during every one of those 18 years. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 31, 2024 18:17:32 GMT
Sorry, but Rowett didn’t carry us. He got lucky that the 4 seasons we finished as high as we did was more down to how poorly the Championship was during that period. Compare then to this season, where stronger teams from the Premiership came down, and decent teams like Ipswich came up from league 1. There are also other teams in our division that have wealthy owners who splashed the cash during the summer to improve their squads and they are reaping the benefits from that. Even though we ourselves strengthened the squad in the summer, buying the Belgian Casper De Norre in midfield (who has turned out to be a good buy) but the likes of left back Joe Bryan and striker Kevin Nisbet have flattered to deceive. In Rowett’s 11 games in charge this season, we won 4, drew 3 and lost 4 (and of those 4 losses, 3 were at home - 2 of which were 3-0 drubbings by Leeds and Swansea). We also lost 4-0 at home under Rowett to a second string Reading side in the Carabao Cup. We never recovered from that poor start and our new manager, Joe Edwards has had to come in and do his best to change the mindset of the players and get them playing better, more free flowing football. It’s taken a while but he’s getting there and serial centre half lumpers like Jake Cooper and Shaun Hutchinson can now actually play the ball out from the back with relative ease. Something Rowett never tried to instill in them. Our new chairman, James Berylson, has allocated funds for two loan signings in this window, the lad from Spurs, centre half Japhet Tanganga and striker Michael Obafemi from Burnley, and today we have bought (for around £1 million including add ons) the 19 year old left winger from Morecambe, Adam Mayor. Hopefully these 3 players, with their pace and youth, will help us create more chances to push us up to a mid table finish in the Championship. Unfortunately, Rowett never realised the need for pace and athleticism in his Millwall side, but Joe Edwards does, and that’s the difference between the two managers. Edwards is progressive and forward thinking whilst Rowett is backwards in his thinking, sticking to dinosaur tactics and play. Thank God he’s gone. Thanks for sharing that millwallfan and for your previous post. Very interesting. In an ideal world, we’d appoint an innovative young coach who was happy to work within a progressive football management structure and focus on developing patterns of play and improving the players. A Liam Manning of two to three years ago or a Des Buckingham this season, say, - ironic, but perhaps not coincidental that they both worked within the City Football Group. However, such coaches are hard to identify obviously, may not be available “on cue” and are always going to represent a risk. If they can’t get the players to respect them they might fail spectacularly. Unfortunately, we can’t afford to take this kind of risk at this time and are between a rock and a hard place. Ideally, we need to make a long term, sustainable appointment of a Head Coach happy to work within the club’s structure, but we also need that coach to hit the ground running and ensure we stave off relegation. If the club had a more experienced caretaker head coach it might make sense to plough on and take whatever time was needed to find the right candidate (as poster newyorkaddick suggested earlier), but with completely unproven Curtis Fleming at the helm even that might be a gamble too far. I suspect the Board will want to make a relatively risk averse appointment which won’t be obviously wrong come September or involve too much risk, but which might not be optimal longer term. I’d imagine that Rowett would fit that bill. And Nathan Jones too. The only proviso is that whoever is appointed they’ll need to be willing (not simply tolerant of) to work with a Technical Director and a Director of Performance. Coincidentally, in Charlie Methven’s latest podcast he talked about the role of Technical Director and nailed his colours very firmly to that mast. If the club abandoned that belief simply to accommodate a Head Coach or Manager they were desperate to hire with a view to the short term, it would be a major red flag from a longer term perspective. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 31, 2024 18:21:29 GMT
Whatever way we cut it, these new owners and their SMT have us in the biggest danger of relegation to L2 we have been in. They need to make the right decision, and they need to make it quickly. Ludicrous that we are at the end of the window when it was blatant that Appleton wasn't going to work so much earlier. Suggests they need to trim down the committee making the decisions if the rumours of disagreements holding up the choice are true. Let's hope no more managers in the Championship get sacked in the next few days or that will slow the decision making even more (or Moore?) I'll be shocked if we hear about a new manager even tomorrow now. Here's hoping though! Recruiting the right Head Coach was always going to take time and it was entirely unrealistic of fans to expect the process to have been completed within a few days. We have no evidence that “disagreements” have slowed the process down and my guess is that’s unlikely to be the case. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 31, 2024 18:24:09 GMT
reamsofverseA Murray-era brown noser on CL is claiming that it was Charlie Methven who leaked the information that Appleton had been sacked after the Burton game. Any idea if this is correct ?
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Post by 1978sussex on Jan 31, 2024 18:28:18 GMT
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Post by millwallfan on Jan 31, 2024 18:39:12 GMT
Sorry, but Rowett didn’t carry us. He got lucky that the 4 seasons we finished as high as we did was more down to how poorly the Championship was during that period. Compare then to this season, where stronger teams from the Premiership came down, and decent teams like Ipswich came up from league 1. There are also other teams in our division that have wealthy owners who splashed the cash during the summer to improve their squads and they are reaping the benefits from that. Even though we ourselves strengthened the squad in the summer, buying the Belgian Casper De Norre in midfield (who has turned out to be a good buy) but the likes of left back Joe Bryan and striker Kevin Nisbet have flattered to deceive. In Rowett’s 11 games in charge this season, we won 4, drew 3 and lost 4 (and of those 4 losses, 3 were at home - 2 of which were 3-0 drubbings by Leeds and Swansea). We also lost 4-0 at home under Rowett to a second string Reading side in the Carabao Cup. We never recovered from that poor start and our new manager, Joe Edwards has had to come in and do his best to change the mindset of the players and get them playing better, more free flowing football. It’s taken a while but he’s getting there and serial centre half lumpers like Jake Cooper and Shaun Hutchinson can now actually play the ball out from the back with relative ease. Something Rowett never tried to instill in them. Our new chairman, James Berylson, has allocated funds for two loan signings in this window, the lad from Spurs, centre half Japhet Tanganga and striker Michael Obafemi from Burnley, and today we have bought (for around £1 million including add ons) the 19 year old left winger from Morecambe, Adam Mayor. Hopefully these 3 players, with their pace and youth, will help us create more chances to push us up to a mid table finish in the Championship. Unfortunately, Rowett never realised the need for pace and athleticism in his Millwall side, but Joe Edwards does, and that’s the difference between the two managers. Edwards is progressive and forward thinking whilst Rowett is backwards in his thinking, sticking to dinosaur tactics and play. Thank God he’s gone. You signed Mayor for £300k. Millwall fans and numbers. Never a good combo. |
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Post by millwallfan on Jan 31, 2024 18:45:44 GMT
Even better then.
I was going by a tweet someone put up on Twitter that said it was ÂŁ1 million which included add ons.
There was, apparently, other Championship clubs interested in him which, if true, thankfully didn’t cause a bidding war.
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Post by clarky on Jan 31, 2024 18:55:35 GMT
Whatever way we cut it, these new owners and their SMT have us in the biggest danger of relegation to L2 we have been in. They need to make the right decision, and they need to make it quickly. Ludicrous that we are at the end of the window when it was blatant that Appleton wasn't going to work so much earlier. Suggests they need to trim down the committee making the decisions if the rumours of disagreements holding up the choice are true. Let's hope no more managers in the Championship get sacked in the next few days or that will slow the decision making even more (or Moore?) I'll be shocked if we hear about a new manager even tomorrow now. Here's hoping though! Recruiting the right Head Coach was always going to take time and it was entirely unrealistic of fans to expect the process to have been completed within a few days. We have no evidence that “disagreements” have slowed the process down and my guess is that’s unlikely to be the case. Absolutely correct it is unrealistic to complete the process in a couple of days that is why most fans would have sacked Appleton several weeks ago. |
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Post by millwallfan on Jan 31, 2024 18:56:22 GMT
Are these Millwall fans for real!? Rowett may not have been solely responsible,but they were performing above expectations surely? Jake Cooper Jed Wallace Zian Flemming Tom Bradshaw I'd love a team with these sort of players in it. With the exception of Flemming, all of the others you mentioned were signed by Neil Harris. And Flemming this season is a pale shadow of his former self from last season. He didn’t kick on this season with Rowett and is only now becoming more involved in games under Edwards. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 31, 2024 18:57:17 GMT
reamsofverseA Murray-era brown noser on CL is claiming that it was Charlie Methven who leaked the information that Appleton had been sacked after the Burton game. Any idea if this is correct ? Not as far as Im aware mate. The one word answer I had via text from CM when I asked for confirmation that Appleton had been sacked just read 'Premature'. They were in full agreement that he should go on the evening of the Burton game but one, possibly two of the board got cold feet. I believe one was Scott and as a result it was pulled. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 31, 2024 18:58:01 GMT
Why are we talking about Millwall?
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Post by Mundell on Jan 31, 2024 19:13:26 GMT
Recruiting the right Head Coach was always going to take time and it was entirely unrealistic of fans to expect the process to have been completed within a few days. We have no evidence that “disagreements” have slowed the process down and my guess is that’s unlikely to be the case. Absolutely correct it is unrealistic to complete the process in a couple of days that is why most fans would have sacked Appleton several weeks ago. That’s a very fair point clarky but it’s an observation made in the here and now. At the beginning of January, when the transfer window opened, I doubt the club thought relegation was even a remotely possible outcome. Then in the week or so before the fateful defeat at Burton Albion, when a wave of new signings arrived, including the much admired Conor Coventry, the reaction from many fans was more “what a shame we dropped all those points in December. We might have made a playoff push with all these new players”, rather than “thank goodness, we need these reinforcements to avoid relegation”. Whatever we might think should have happened I suspect that had we won at both Port Vale and Burton (both coin flip games in my view) Appleton would have remained in post for even longer. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 31, 2024 19:18:29 GMT
reamsofverse A Murray-era brown noser on CL is claiming that it was Charlie Methven who leaked the information that Appleton had been sacked after the Burton game. Any idea if this is correct ? Not as far as Im aware mate. The one word answer I had via text from CM when I asked for confirmation that Appleton had been sacked just read 'Premature'. They were in full agreement that he should go on the evening of the Burton game but one, possibly two of the board got cold feet. I believe one was Scott and as a result it was pulled. That’s interesting Paul. I don’t want to prolong the discussion about Appleton’s departure unnecessarily, but do you think this means he wasn’t told he was being fired on that fateful Saturday night or that he was told and then reinstated? You may not know the answer of course and that’s obviously fair enough. |
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Post by clarky on Jan 31, 2024 19:21:51 GMT
Absolutely correct it is unrealistic to complete the process in a couple of days that is why most fans would have sacked Appleton several weeks ago. That’s a very fair point clarky but it’s an observation made in the here and now. At the beginning of January, when the transfer window opened, I doubt the club thought relegation was even a remotely possible outcome. Then in the week or so before the fateful defeat at Burton Albion, when a wave of new signings arrived, including the much admired Conor Coventry, the reaction from many fans was more “what a shame we dropped all those points in December. We might have made a playoff push with all these new players”, rather than “thank goodness, we need these reinforcements to avoid relegation”. Whatever we might think should have happened I suspect that had we won at both Port Vale and Burton (both coin flip games in my view) Appleton would have remained in post for even longer. True, but only winning one game (which took two pens to beat Cheltenham at home) in November and December against largely poor opposition was a big enough warning. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jan 31, 2024 19:27:35 GMT
For what it's worth I wouldn't be averse to Mike Williamson, although I understand why others would (the whole Garner/L2 thing). MK Dons are getting and holding onto players that we are after in the division below (Kemp, Bate, etc) and I feel he can do better still a division above. If we want a manager without the baggage of bad spells I honestly think MW is a good shout. Paying compo for someone in a job (rather than perusing the Job Centre line of managers) also a big plus imho.
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Post by millwallfan on Jan 31, 2024 19:51:59 GMT
Why are we talking about Millwall? Sorry, wasn’t trying to hijack your thread. Just came on here to send all of you a friendly warning about Rowett, bearing in mind there’s a possibility you might be getting him as your new manager. I’ve been reading Into the Valley for years, and it’s always struck me how alike both our clubs have been over recent years on the playing and managerial front. Two clubs where fans could interchange when talking about players not performing and not being good enough. Managers (in our case Rowett) not having a scooby as to how to set out a team with the right formations and tactics - playing players in the wrong positions and being reactive instead of proactive when we’ve gone behind and the subs made are either too late or like for like which doesn’t improve the team. We may be in a division higher than you, but until Edwards came along, a neutral looking at both sets of players wouldn’t know who was playing in what division. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 31, 2024 20:01:05 GMT
No need to apologise mate. You are more than welcome on here.
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