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Post by clarky on Jan 21, 2024 14:19:46 GMT
Good post mate, although across social media only a smuttering of fans thought Methven was the real deal. Why is CM the only one getting stick? I can asure you he isn't involved as people think he is, not at board level. He is more in teh middle and has the most to do with the Americans. There are a few who should be in the firing line before him. more recently I said the one who appointed Appleton should be held accountable. |
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Post by roburwash on Jan 21, 2024 14:29:49 GMT
It isn't just Appleton, all our recent managers have allowed our poor defenders to believe that they can play possession football around the back line like Premiership defenders. In order to do this, you need talent and vision, neither of which do our players have. They deliberately put us under pressure by taking every opportunity to throw the ball backwards at throw ins from everywhere, no matter how high up the pitch we are. Then they play the slow "safety" game of back and forth along the line without ever seeming to realise that the opposition are wise to this absurd tactic and press forward so that we either lose the ball in dangerous positions or have to finally pass it back to the goalkeeper who will either boot it forward uselessly or roll it out once more to one of these hapless defenders. So, not only do our defenders have one or two catastrophic mistakes in them per game, they allow the opposition to strangle our midfield and forwards with their ridiculous notion of 'safety first'. We end up with 75% useless possession. As I say, this is not just Appleton's fault, but either he or the next manager has to put a stop to it.
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Post by dartfordreds on Jan 21, 2024 14:39:09 GMT
Lose Tuesday and he's gone-simple as that
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Post by mersthamred on Jan 21, 2024 14:50:56 GMT
It isn't just Appleton, all our recent managers have allowed our poor defenders to believe that they can play possession football around the back line like Premiership defenders. In order to do this, you need talent and vision, neither of which do our players have. They deliberately put us under pressure by taking every opportunity to throw the ball backwards at throw ins from everywhere, no matter how high up the pitch we are. Then they play the slow "safety" game of back and forth along the line without ever seeming to realise that the opposition are wise to this absurd tactic and press forward so that we either lose the ball in dangerous positions or have to finally pass it back to the goalkeeper who will either boot it forward uselessly or roll it out once more to one of these hapless defenders. So, not only do our defenders have one or two catastrophic mistakes in them per game, they allow the opposition to strangle our midfield and forwards with their ridiculous notion of 'safety first'. We end up with 75% useless possession. As I say, this is not just Appleton's fault, but either he or the next manager has to put a stop to it. This is so true. L1 defenders should play like L1 defenders. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jan 21, 2024 14:53:18 GMT
It isn't just Appleton, all our recent managers have allowed our poor defenders to believe that they can play possession football around the back line like Premiership defenders. In order to do this, you need talent and vision, neither of which do our players have. They deliberately put us under pressure by taking every opportunity to throw the ball backwards at throw ins from everywhere, no matter how high up the pitch we are. Then they play the slow "safety" game of back and forth along the line without ever seeming to realise that the opposition are wise to this absurd tactic and press forward so that we either lose the ball in dangerous positions or have to finally pass it back to the goalkeeper who will either boot it forward uselessly or roll it out once more to one of these hapless defenders. So, not only do our defenders have one or two catastrophic mistakes in them per game, they allow the opposition to strangle our midfield and forwards with their ridiculous notion of 'safety first'. We end up with 75% useless possession. As I say, this is not just Appleton's fault, but either he or the next manager has to put a stop to it. Also puts unnecessary pressure on the goalkeeper, who gets moaned at for not getting rid of the ball quickly enough, when all it ever does is get passed back to him!... |
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Post by charltonborn on Jan 21, 2024 15:11:11 GMT
This is exactly right!!! Ness and the rest have no vision, thus slows the play down and eventually all breaks down. Noticeable that defenders have more possession than midfield players.
This cannot be right!!!
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 21, 2024 15:19:45 GMT
It isn't just Appleton, all our recent managers have allowed our poor defenders to believe that they can play possession football around the back line like Premiership defenders. In order to do this, you need talent and vision, neither of which do our players have. They deliberately put us under pressure by taking every opportunity to throw the ball backwards at throw ins from everywhere, no matter how high up the pitch we are. Then they play the slow "safety" game of back and forth along the line without ever seeming to realise that the opposition are wise to this absurd tactic and press forward so that we either lose the ball in dangerous positions or have to finally pass it back to the goalkeeper who will either boot it forward uselessly or roll it out once more to one of these hapless defenders. So, not only do our defenders have one or two catastrophic mistakes in them per game, they allow the opposition to strangle our midfield and forwards with their ridiculous notion of 'safety first'. We end up with 75% useless possession. As I say, this is not just Appleton's fault, but either he or the next manager has to put a stop to it. Spot on. |
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Post by brad on Jan 21, 2024 15:33:23 GMT
It isn't just Appleton, all our recent managers have allowed our poor defenders to believe that they can play possession football around the back line like Premiership defenders. In order to do this, you need talent and vision, neither of which do our players have. They deliberately put us under pressure by taking every opportunity to throw the ball backwards at throw ins from everywhere, no matter how high up the pitch we are. Then they play the slow "safety" game of back and forth along the line without ever seeming to realise that the opposition are wise to this absurd tactic and press forward so that we either lose the ball in dangerous positions or have to finally pass it back to the goalkeeper who will either boot it forward uselessly or roll it out once more to one of these hapless defenders. So, not only do our defenders have one or two catastrophic mistakes in them per game, they allow the opposition to strangle our midfield and forwards with their ridiculous notion of 'safety first'. We end up with 75% useless possession. As I say, this is not just Appleton's fault, but either he or the next manager has to put a stop to it. Totally agree with this. My worry it that every manager that comes in under this set up is just going to be a yes man. My understanding is Andy Scott is making a lot of the choices from new signings to the new coaches coming in and who can be in the squad. Surely the manager has to be allowed to manage and make decisions. |
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Post by whynot on Jan 21, 2024 16:12:27 GMT
It also makes the game boring to the fans. Who wants to watch a playground kick about? We need to play more touch football being quicker moving the ball from one end to another and getting back even quicker.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 21, 2024 16:30:43 GMT
It isn't just Appleton, all our recent managers have allowed our poor defenders to believe that they can play possession football around the back line like Premiership defenders. In order to do this, you need talent and vision, neither of which do our players have. They deliberately put us under pressure by taking every opportunity to throw the ball backwards at throw ins from everywhere, no matter how high up the pitch we are. Then they play the slow "safety" game of back and forth along the line without ever seeming to realise that the opposition are wise to this absurd tactic and press forward so that we either lose the ball in dangerous positions or have to finally pass it back to the goalkeeper who will either boot it forward uselessly or roll it out once more to one of these hapless defenders. So, not only do our defenders have one or two catastrophic mistakes in them per game, they allow the opposition to strangle our midfield and forwards with their ridiculous notion of 'safety first'. We end up with 75% useless possession. As I say, this is not just Appleton's fault, but either he or the next manager has to put a stop to it. I’ve been saying the same since Ben Garner & “Garner ball” It’s one thing playing out from the back when you have Ederson rolling it out to John Stones, who then feeds Rodri or Jack Grealish ….its totally different when you have league one defenders like ours who struggle to do the basics including controlling the ball, and passing accurately under pressing. This style of football is a recipe for disaster at this level. I’d also argue that Burton’s winner yesterday was the worst goal we have conceded so far this season, in a very strong competition. Lloyd Jones & Tennai Watson 🤦♂️😂 |
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Post by cafcginge on Jan 21, 2024 16:41:04 GMT
has he gone yet then or is there any sign of him going😂.
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Post by suffolkaddick on Jan 21, 2024 16:41:35 GMT
It isn't just Appleton, all our recent managers have allowed our poor defenders to believe that they can play possession football around the back line like Premiership defenders. In order to do this, you need talent and vision, neither of which do our players have. They deliberately put us under pressure by taking every opportunity to throw the ball backwards at throw ins from everywhere, no matter how high up the pitch we are. Then they play the slow "safety" game of back and forth along the line without ever seeming to realise that the opposition are wise to this absurd tactic and press forward so that we either lose the ball in dangerous positions or have to finally pass it back to the goalkeeper who will either boot it forward uselessly or roll it out once more to one of these hapless defenders. So, not only do our defenders have one or two catastrophic mistakes in them per game, they allow the opposition to strangle our midfield and forwards with their ridiculous notion of 'safety first'. We end up with 75% useless possession. As I say, this is not just Appleton's fault, but either he or the next manager has to put a stop to it. Totally agree with this. My worry it that every manager that comes in under this set up is just going to be a yes man. My understanding is Andy Scott is making a lot of the choices from new signings to the new coaches coming in and who can be in the squad. Surely the manager has to be allowed to manage and make decisions. As I understand it, Appleton was appointed as Head Coach and not as Manager. Presumably therefore, he is coaching to instructions from above, i.e. Scott. |
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Post by tonycafc on Jan 21, 2024 16:43:18 GMT
No doubt like most fans I find it hard to comprehend that he is still here, should have been released weeks ago.
Personally I would add that any member of the SMT who believe Appleton has done or is doing a good job needs to be released with him. If it is a question of finances Appleton should be relived of his current duties and reassigned, evidently he is supposed to be good on the grass,perhaps he should be pushing the lawn mower at least he would have to get his hands out of his pockets. All of this give him more time is just denial of the facts and burying of heads in the sand, the ladies team or one of the youth team coaches would probably have put more points on the board.
Appleton out!!
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Post by cafcginge on Jan 21, 2024 16:47:49 GMT
i would love bowyer back but can’t see him doing it. also don’t get why people are acting like bowyer wouldn’t be a good manager for us. in his last season with us he had us without touching distance if not in the playoffs with the likes on innis, b.watson, gunter, barker, bogle. don’t tell me he wouldn’t do well with this squad which is also setup to play his favoured formations (either 352 or 442 diamond).
But as i said i can’t see it happening so im not sure who else. i think michael duff could be good but again im not sure i am going to trust too many more outsider managers.
also we have to factor in the transfer window. as some have said will players of the quality we want join if we are without a manager. not sure how without a manager andy scott would be able to sell “the project”. and where credits due somehow a lot of our signings have said when joining that joining appleton was a big factor that attracted them towards us (i don’t know how though😂). unless of course they were just saying it professionally in their interviews.
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Post by somerton on Jan 21, 2024 16:57:42 GMT
I would like more route one or two football. Probably need to play 4 4 2 for that. But addresses the issue the 3rd division foot ballers are not good enough to build up from the back. Also please learn to do some thing with our thrown ins instead of giving it away nearly all the time.
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Post by manikin on Jan 21, 2024 17:05:59 GMT
Gone?
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Post by davelowerwest on Jan 21, 2024 17:06:16 GMT
It isn't just Appleton, all our recent managers have allowed our poor defenders to believe that they can play possession football around the back line like Premiership defenders. In order to do this, you need talent and vision, neither of which do our players have. They deliberately put us under pressure by taking every opportunity to throw the ball backwards at throw ins from everywhere, no matter how high up the pitch we are. Then they play the slow "safety" game of back and forth along the line without ever seeming to realise that the opposition are wise to this absurd tactic and press forward so that we either lose the ball in dangerous positions or have to finally pass it back to the goalkeeper who will either boot it forward uselessly or roll it out once more to one of these hapless defenders. So, not only do our defenders have one or two catastrophic mistakes in them per game, they allow the opposition to strangle our midfield and forwards with their ridiculous notion of 'safety first'. We end up with 75% useless possession. As I say, this is not just Appleton's fault, but either he or the next manager has to put a stop to it. Maybe it's not just Appleton but at least some of the previous ones had some enthusiasm and encouragement from the touchline. This guy just stands there like a frozen zombie. Most of our supporters with a basic knowledge of football greeted his appointment with total disappointment. Got Oxford out of League 2 and Lincoln into the playoffs, big deal. Lee Bowyer and Chris Powell did far more, would even rather have Parkinson and he wasn't brilliant (unless compared to Appleton)! |
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Post by suffolkaddick on Jan 21, 2024 17:07:21 GMT
Once wrong is unlucky.
Twice wrong makes you consider who made the appointment.
Three times wrong equals sack the person who makes the appointments.
I think that Scott is the problem.
Who was our last Manager and not Head Coach?
My memory tells me it was Lee Bowyer.
Under whose direction were we last successful?
I believe the answer is above.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 21, 2024 17:11:21 GMT
That is what I am hearing yes. Not come from any of my inside club sources but I am hearing Appleton has gone and it will be announced either tonight or tomorrow morning. Two names being linked, not Nathan Jones or Gary Rowatt who I prefer but a step up I would say on the last three or four managers we have had. Of the two I do prefer one over the other. |
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Post by manikin on Jan 21, 2024 17:13:12 GMT
That is what I am hearing yes. Not come from any of my inside club sources but I am hearing Appleton has gone and it will be announced either tonight or tomorrow morning. Two names in the frame both of whom fans will be happy with I think. Not my choices of Jones or Rowatt but a step up on the last three or four managers we have had. Fantastic news! |
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Post by cafcginge on Jan 21, 2024 17:15:08 GMT
any chance of u telling us them names reams? i fully agree with you mate about either rowett or jones to be honest but can’t see them happening. can imagine jones costing quite a bit and although rowett did play for us in the past i imagine his past with millwall and what he done there makes me think that he wouldn’t go to us now.
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Post by nagaddick on Jan 21, 2024 17:15:09 GMT
Michael duff ?
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Post by suffolkaddick on Jan 21, 2024 17:20:59 GMT
It wasn't long ago that we would have been satisfied with three new players in a season, let alone Managers/Head Coaches or whatever Scott decides to call them.
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Post by cafcginge on Jan 21, 2024 17:21:54 GMT
bit of a risky punt this one would be but i wanted to get peoples opinions on this one. not actually been a permanent manager yet at senior level but is certainly a good coach and knows the clubs and what it is about. how would people feel about giving jason euell a crack??
obviously the other more obvious names are higher on my list but could be a bit of a left field one. also feel he could fit the head coach role/setup aswell
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Post by mrkinski on Jan 21, 2024 17:26:47 GMT
That is what I am hearing yes. Not come from any of my inside club sources but I am hearing Appleton has gone and it will be announced either tonight or tomorrow morning. Two names being linked, not Nathan Jones or Gary Rowatt who I prefer but a step up I would say on the last three or four managers we have had. Of the two I do prefer one over the other. Thank goodness. If confirmed this will give me a spring in my step as I head to The Valley on Tuesday night after work. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 21, 2024 17:29:38 GMT
any chance of u telling us them names reams? i fully agree with you mate about either rowett or jones to be honest but can’t see them happening. can imagine jones costing quite a bit and although rowett did play for us in the past i imagine his past with millwall and what he done there makes me think that he wouldn’t go to us now. No mate sorry. Wouldn't be right until Appleton's departure has ben confimred. I don't like the guy but out of respect no names will leave my lips until the job officially becomes available. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 21, 2024 17:30:07 GMT
bit of a risky punt this one would be but i wanted to get peoples opinions on this one. not actually been a permanent manager yet at senior level but is certainly a good coach and knows the clubs and what it is about. how would people feel about giving jason euell a crack?? obviously the other more obvious names are higher on my list but could be a bit of a left field one. also feel he could fit the head coach role/setup aswell Absolutely not. |
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Post by leedsaddick on Jan 21, 2024 17:30:36 GMT
I’m wondering if the replacement is Nigel Pearson….wasnt Fleming his assistant at Bristol City
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Post by mitchcafc20077 on Jan 21, 2024 17:31:03 GMT
I can’t see this happening but really hope it does. Reams how confident are you that he has gone?
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 21, 2024 17:33:08 GMT
I'll give you a clue. One of the names has worked closely with an MP who knows David Beckham in his last two jobs!
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