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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 31, 2023 11:04:35 GMT
We’re not an attractive club at the moment. 17 managers in as many years.
We need stability. I don’t mind going for a lower league manager who has performed well and is currently in a job. We need to build with someone.
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Post by cafcfan32 on Aug 31, 2023 11:05:46 GMT
All these people saying Cheap And Cheerful. These people are in jobs, so be more expensive than those out of a job. Dave Challinot almoat succeeded in back to back promotions from national league to league 1. He is young.
Alternatively we can go for manager who are out of wprk and boring like The Cowleys….people were never prepared to give these new owners a chance from the off and nevr will because of tge previous bad owners. Its not just about playing staff.
Tye whole club even down to ticket office needs rebuilding.
Who hear could donit in 7 weeks? I couldn’t.
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Post by thesunisred on Aug 31, 2023 11:13:39 GMT
The Challinor link is interesting. He has a very good record at multiple clubs, albeit at a lower level. I live not far from Stockport and he is well liked by the fans. Signed a new 3 year contract recently though, so won't be the cheap option.
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Post by 1978sussex on Aug 31, 2023 11:14:24 GMT
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 31, 2023 11:19:16 GMT
The Challinor link is interesting. He has a very good record at multiple clubs, albeit at a lower level. I live not far from Stockport and he is well liked by the fans. Signed a new 3 year contract recently though, so won't be the cheap option. He’s second favourite now. Feels like the bookies don’t know anything. Just reacting to news articles. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Aug 31, 2023 11:20:46 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 31, 2023 11:21:25 GMT
January 2024 will be different for a number of reasons: - whoever they appoint will have had four months and 20 games to establish their system, their matchday 18 and resolve glaring deficiencies - they, Scott and the fans will all have a view on three or four of the 18 that need upgrading plus one hopes there will be major successes too! - perhaps we're in FA Cup 3rd round?! - perhaps we close the gap on sixth place. If we don't then a few thousand fans will give up for the season And yes "must do better" is fair! Our commercial revenues are 40% of comparable clubs in League One and the Championship so announcements there will help. What we need most of all is a clear football narrative to emerge from this chaos. For in January 2024 there's no more room for excuses! Agreed but Didn't Holden have 20 games to establish his system and his matchday 18? With the squad we're going to have I wouldn't be surprised if they sack the new manager in January and appoint a new one in February. I am getting very disillusioned and concerned with the prospects for Charlton at the moment. We seem to be no better off than under Sandgaard and with the multiple owners it is going to be, even, harder to get a new one in. It is beginning to look like we will be stuck in this division for ever. He did, and the early results were very promising after changing around five of Garner's starting XI. But then he decided to embark on 3-5-2 this season with no wingbacks. Essentially getting into a power struggle with Scott that he was never going to win! Plus Leaburn, Fraser and Campbell injured so that didn't help. The path in September is no different whether we conceded that goal versus Oxford or not! We still need to beat Fleetwood, see how the team gels - just that Pearce will probably play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1... something like the second half vs Oxford. Is it better that we found out Holden wasn’t the right fit early on? That isn't spin nor boosterism (as Mundell might term it). More that I'm impatient to watch September games so that we can all see whether there's a decent side. I don't rate Taylor and unsure about Camara, but overall the recruitment hasn't been as disastrous as some say. The target is 77 points and sixth place so the SMT need to establish budgets and activities to make that happen. To paraphrase Lady Caversham "to lose one manager is unfortunate but losing two would be sheer carelessness" 😉 |
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 31, 2023 11:22:31 GMT
We’re not an attractive club at the moment. 17 managers in as many years. We need stability. I don’t mind going for a lower league manager who has performed well and is currently in a job. We need to build with someone. Average tenure for an EFL manager is around 13-14 months! |
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Post by redrobbo on Aug 31, 2023 11:23:29 GMT
The Challinor link is interesting. He has a very good record at multiple clubs, albeit at a lower level. I live not far from Stockport and he is well liked by the fans. Signed a new 3 year contract recently though, so won't be the cheap option. He’s second favourite now. Feels like the bookies don’t know anything. Just reacting to news articles. It’s not the bookies, they merely reflect how much is being placed. |
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Post by se7tolu7 on Aug 31, 2023 11:24:58 GMT
Agreed but Didn't Holden have 20 games to establish his system and his matchday 18? With the squad we're going to have I wouldn't be surprised if they sack the new manager in January and appoint a new one in February. I am getting very disillusioned and concerned with the prospects for Charlton at the moment. We seem to be no better off than under Sandgaard and with the multiple owners it is going to be, even, harder to get a new one in. It is beginning to look like we will be stuck in this division for ever. He did, and the early results were very promising after changing around five of Garner's starting XI. But then he decided to embark on 3-5-2 this season with no wingbacks. Essentially getting into a power struggle with Scott that he was never going to win! Plus Leaburn, Fraser and Campbell injured so that didn't help. The path in September is no different whether we conceded that goal versus Oxford or not! We still need to beat Fleetwood, see how the team gels - just that Pearce will probably play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1... something like the second half vs Oxford. Is it better that we found out Holden wasn’t the right fit early on? That isn't spin nor boosterism (as Mundell might term it). More that I'm impatient to watch September games so that we can all see whether there's a decent side. I don't rate Taylor and unsure about Camara, but overall the recruitment hasn't been as disastrous as some say. The target is 77 points and sixth place so the SMT need to establish budgets and activities to make that happen. To paraphrase Lady Caversham "to lose one manager is unfortunate but losing two would be sheer carelessness" 😉 Taylor hasn’t even really featured and if the comments of the teams fitness levels are anything to go by, he probably hasn’t fully recovered from his injury at the end of last season. The NTT20 podcast labelled him an outstanding prospect so I would be obliged to go with their opinion. |
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Post by paperboy on Aug 31, 2023 11:48:57 GMT
He did, and the early results were very promising after changing around five of Garner's starting XI. But then he decided to embark on 3-5-2 this season with no wingbacks. Essentially getting into a power struggle with Scott that he was never going to win! Plus Leaburn, Fraser and Campbell injured so that didn't help. The path in September is no different whether we conceded that goal versus Oxford or not! We still need to beat Fleetwood, see how the team gels - just that Pearce will probably play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1... something like the second half vs Oxford. Is it better that we found out Holden wasn’t the right fit early on? That isn't spin nor boosterism (as Mundell might term it). More that I'm impatient to watch September games so that we can all see whether there's a decent side. I don't rate Taylor and unsure about Camara, but overall the recruitment hasn't been as disastrous as some say. The target is 77 points and sixth place so the SMT need to establish budgets and activities to make that happen. To paraphrase Lady Caversham "to lose one manager is unfortunate but losing two would be sheer carelessness" 😉 Taylor hasn’t even really featured and if the comments of the teams fitness levels are anything to go by, he probably hasn’t fully recovered from his injury at the end of last season. The NTT20 podcast labelled him an outstanding prospect so I would be obliged to go with their opinion. Spot on about Taylor. The same could be said about Camara, a long lay off last season and now a much less serious injury who will need a few matches to get back to anywhere near match fitness. |
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Post by richmondse10exile on Aug 31, 2023 11:57:19 GMT
The Challinor link is interesting. He has a very good record at multiple clubs, albeit at a lower level. I live not far from Stockport and he is well liked by the fans. Signed a new 3 year contract recently though, so won't be the cheap option. He’s second favourite now. Feels like the bookies don’t know anything. Just reacting to news articles. I don’t suppose there’s huge money going down on any candidates for the next Charlton manager. |
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Post by 1978sussex on Aug 31, 2023 12:00:38 GMT
He’s second favourite now. Feels like the bookies don’t know anything. Just reacting to news articles. I don’t suppose there’s huge money going down on any candidates for the next Charlton manager. Challinor is 1/1 fav now |
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 31, 2023 12:02:16 GMT
Agreed but Didn't Holden have 20 games to establish his system and his matchday 18? With the squad we're going to have I wouldn't be surprised if they sack the new manager in January and appoint a new one in February. I am getting very disillusioned and concerned with the prospects for Charlton at the moment. We seem to be no better off than under Sandgaard and with the multiple owners it is going to be, even, harder to get a new one in. It is beginning to look like we will be stuck in this division for ever. He did, and the early results were very promising after changing around five of Garner's starting XI. But then he decided to embark on 3-5-2 this season with no wingbacks. Essentially getting into a power struggle with Scott that he was never going to win! Plus Leaburn, Fraser and Campbell injured so that didn't help. The path in September is no different whether we conceded that goal versus Oxford or not! We still need to beat Fleetwood, see how the team gels - just that Pearce will probably play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1... something like the second half vs Oxford. Is it better that we found out Holden wasn’t the right fit early on? That isn't spin nor boosterism (as Mundell might term it). More that I'm impatient to watch September games so that we can all see whether there's a decent side. I don't rate Taylor and unsure about Camara, but overall the recruitment hasn't been as disastrous as some say. The target is 77 points and sixth place so the SMT need to establish budgets and activities to make that happen. To paraphrase Lady Caversham "to lose one manager is unfortunate but losing two would be sheer carelessness" 😉 I don’t believe our target is play-offs anymore. We’re bang average in every way you can imagine. So light in various positions throughout the squad. Other than CB where we are still looking to recruit as they aren’t good enough! We’ve been unable to offload the deadwood. We’ve not had the required investment, despite rumours of it being there. What good is a budget if you don’t spend it. Or have you spent it on a manager instead? None of our options of a new manager fill me with any encouragement/hope. As a first month in charge, this is surely the worst ever. I’m not sure SE7 will see it that way, but our fans clearly do and we’re the ones who invest our money in the club. I can’t see anyone being inspired to buy ST’s this year now. Which means we will have the same lack of investment and spending power going forwards. I’m still hoping SE7 aren’t at bad as this month has shown. But that very dim light is at the end of an ever growing tunnel. |
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Post by petetongthereturn on Aug 31, 2023 12:05:23 GMT
That tunnel may get longer and darker as I understand there is a break clause next year in the lease of The Valley (and training ground).
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Post by jackcharlton on Aug 31, 2023 12:14:10 GMT
Believe me, the Cowleys will be the type of manager who will look at the XG. Jobsworths! I won’t go again this season if is them. This isn’t a dig, but a genuine question. Why are they jobsworths? I’ve seen people question them tactically, but it’s always been said that they are decent, likeable people. Decent, likeable people you can find down the pub. Decent, likeable people do not mean footballing success. |
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Post by vaangard on Aug 31, 2023 12:40:17 GMT
Please not the Cowleys! It's deja vu, like the return of the Dowies!
That appointment won't make me buy any more tickets to the Valley.
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Post by fourhorsemen on Aug 31, 2023 12:50:28 GMT
All change, again!
Next Permanent Charlton Manager - Outright
Dave Challinor
1/2
Danny Cowley
4/1
Michael Appleton
8/1
Lee Johnson
12/1
Chris Powell
12/1
Lee Bowyer
16/1
Leam Richardson
16/1
Others
20/1
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 31, 2023 12:58:41 GMT
Dave Challinor to Charlton is reportedly done ✅
He leaves Stockport after guiding them back into the EFL and then reaching the League Two Play Off final the season after…
From one of these many league one websites
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Post by leedsaddick on Aug 31, 2023 13:18:28 GMT
There’s a big advantage in having Challinor as a manager… in his Tranmere playing days, he was known as being really good with long throw ins… From reliable sources, Ive been told that Alfie May is salivating at the thought
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 31, 2023 13:20:40 GMT
Hope he brings Ryan Rydel with him we desperately need a winger who can cross a ball
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Post by gorman on Aug 31, 2023 13:30:07 GMT
Dave Challinor to Charlton is reportedly done ✅ He leaves Stockport after guiding them back into the EFL and then reaching the League Two Play Off final the season after… From one of these many league one websites Challinor link reported on BBC as well although appointment not confirmed as yet 🤔 |
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Post by thesunisred on Aug 31, 2023 13:30:55 GMT
Hope he brings Ryan Rydel with him we desperately need a winger who can cross a ball Will Collar would be a good addition. Busy, goalscoring midfielder,and an upgrade on the likes of Payne. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 31, 2023 13:38:08 GMT
Taylor hasn’t even really featured and if the comments of the teams fitness levels are anything to go by, he probably hasn’t fully recovered from his injury at the end of last season. The NTT20 podcast labelled him an outstanding prospect so I would be obliged to go with their opinion. Spot on about Taylor. The same could be said about Camara, a long lay off last season and now a much less serious injury who will need a few matches to get back to anywhere near match fitness. I suspect that the price and availability would have been affected by the injuries. Coincidence? I don't think so. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 31, 2023 13:40:10 GMT
Dave Challinor to Charlton is reportedly done ✅ He leaves Stockport after guiding them back into the EFL and then reaching the League Two Play Off final the season after… From one of these many league one websites Who told you that? The niece you have that promised the Aussie takeover was as good as completed about a dozen times? |
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Post by madz on Aug 31, 2023 13:49:32 GMT
Dave Challinor to Charlton is reportedly done ✅ He leaves Stockport after guiding them back into the EFL and then reaching the League Two Play Off final the season after… From one of these many league one websites Who told you that? The niece you have that promised the Aussie takeover was as good as completed about a dozen times? In fairness he has said it came from one of these League One websites. I'm not sure i believe that site as i saw something similar on Twitter, but just pointing out where it came from. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 31, 2023 14:07:36 GMT
Dave Challinor to Charlton is reportedly done ✅ He leaves Stockport after guiding them back into the EFL and then reaching the League Two Play Off final the season after… From one of these many league one websites Nailed on and he didn't come cheap! |
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Post by cafclad on Aug 31, 2023 14:28:54 GMT
Dave Challinor had money to play with at Stockport
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Post by manikin on Aug 31, 2023 14:35:45 GMT
Dave Challinor to Charlton is reportedly done ✅ He leaves Stockport after guiding them back into the EFL and then reaching the League Two Play Off final the season after… From one of these many league one websites Nailed on and he didn't come cheap. Somewhat of a surprise but it sounds promising. |
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Post by clarky on Aug 31, 2023 14:41:58 GMT
That tunnel may get longer and darker as I understand there is a break clause next year in the lease of The Valley (and training ground). Think that is right and I am sure it is a one way break clause that the.club can action and. not RD . |
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