Who will be the new manager of Charlton Athletic? (Closed)

[valleyfaithful]

Personally I'd love Richie Wellens, my Orient mate says he's done wonders on a small budget. And whilst they don't score loads, defensive record is very strong.

[se7sm]

Remind me why did Appleton leave Blackpool🤔oh yeah
The 47-year-old was given the axe after overseeing a 10-game winless run in the league, which left the Seasiders in 23rd place in the Championship table. perfect sign him up

[paperboy]

I can’t believe some of the names of prospective managers that we are supposedly interested in. Desperation and scraping the bottom of the barrel come to mind.

[se7sm]

Next,Danny Cowley: Portsmouth sack head coach after nine league games without victory bit better 😫

[steve2707]

This is my problem. Why are we even looking af managers who are serial failures? The Cowleys had one successful spell in charge at Lincoln, and have been sacked at every club they have been at since then.

Appleton, as far as I can see, has never really succeeded at any club he's been at...

It's bargain basement hiring. Added to by the fact we're looking at managers who are unemployed, so no need to pay compensation.

If that's the level we're looking at, I'd rather we'd kept Holden. At least he seemed to embrace the DNA of Charlton, and had mended some bridges with the fans.

[madz]

Whoever we end up with, without stating the obvious, it has to be someone who actually wants the job. Anyone with a decent record is either well established at their current job and would require a large fee and salary to tempt away, or we end up with someone who is out of work.

No manager outside the top clubs have excellent win rates so if someone is showing experience of anywhere between 30-40% win rate is going to be a decent enough manager for our level. We need someone who can sort out our defence, kick people up the arse when they are not performing, but also attract some players.

Our main problem is we are not getting the basics right. Bizarrely Holden did exactly that when he came in initially. He wasn't a flashy style manager, he got back to basics, it worked and then we stayed up and i was expecting the same this year, nothing pretty just hard graft. This season he seemed to forget those and we kept getting exposed. I agreed with his decision to let the likes of Clare, Morgan, Inniss, Bonne, etc, go (didn't agree with Egbo decision). But that was on the assumption that we would be bringing players in. Still only one recognized striker, no senior right back, still only one left back (Thomas is not a left back before anyone says so) and still in desperate need of a solid CB leader (unfortunately not Hector and Jones who i rate still doesn't seem comfortable yet).

I still find it odd (circumstantially rather than on performance) that Holden was let go, when everyone even he knew the problem was we don't have enough quality players to change shape or just freshen up, unless the owners had absolutely no faith he could turn things around even with a decent squad they still say they are trying to recruit with no manager to have final say. Or was he being offered players by the likes of Scott and kept turning them down because they weren't quite right.

I'm not excited by the likes of Appleton, Cowley or even Bowyer coming back if I'm honest. If Bowyer was offered the chance 100% he would have my support and I do like his attitude, but he's not top of my list just because he's an ex player and I am not obsessed with it needs to be an ex player so they "get charlton". Any manager should just have a desire to win and not play crap football for me. Cowley hasn't got a bad win rate career wise (50.3% on wiki), Appleton 37.8%, Bowyer 37.5%.

For me, getting out League One needs an old school manager, not someone with flash ideas. Flash ideas and pretty football are great if you have the players and if you are top end Championship. But league one is all about digging deep, getting stuck in, playing dirty at times and fighting for everything. If we can get a manager in who can do that I'm all for it. We still don't have the type of players to play that way though.

Pearce with the sort of player he was might have that mentality we need. He obviously lacks experience, and if we were in after the transfer window I'd certainly give him a chance while we either took time to bring someone in or actually give him an opportunity. My concern still is attracting the players we need, even u23 loans with a manager who won't necessarily have the job and they don't know who they will be playing for. I know someone said in reply to one of my post "players will either come or they won't". I'm not digging out that person for saying that because you know you are absolutely right, the problem is we 100% need players to come. If they don't we are in proper bother because what we have currently is absolutely not enough to make us comfortable in League One let alone challenge.

Some will argue that Jones is better than Inniss, Camara is better than Morgan, Campbell is better than Kirk and May is better than Bonne...... all correct by they way (bar maybe Inniss who for all his faults, injuries and suspensions was actually a bloody solid unit of a defender), but improving a handful of players will not make a difference when the others who need to step in when they are injured or suspended (and there will be a lot of suspensions this year with the new bookings rule) are nowhere near good enough. We lose Asiimwe tomorrow, who plays right back?

I stand by my previous statement in another thread, I am genuinely worried about this season at this current time. Close season I was full of hope to finally get an ownership with hopefully the right mentality and stability, and the hope we get a team who will fight for the shirt week in week out. We are now managerless and nowhere near the size squad we need. That 100% could change before 11pm on Friday I appreciate..... currently I can't see it.

[manikin]

Anyone on the list except Bowyer I'll be disappointed, some of them a nightmare.

[se7sm]

Aug 30, 2023 11:12:01 GMT madz said:

Whoever we end up with, without stating the obvious, it has to be someone who actually wants the job. Anyone with a decent record is either well established at their current job and would require a large fee and salary to tempt away, or we end up with someone who is out of work.

No manager outside the top clubs have excellent win rates so if someone is showing experience of anywhere between 30-40% win rate is going to be a decent enough manager for our level. We need someone who can sort out our defence, kick people up the arse when they are not performing, but also attract some players.

Our main problem is we are not getting the basics right. Bizarrely Holden did exactly that when he came in initially. He wasn't a flashy style manager, he got back to basics, it worked and then we stayed up and i was expecting the same this year, nothing pretty just hard graft. This season he seemed to forget those and we kept getting exposed. I agreed with his decision to let the likes of Clare, Morgan, Inniss, Bonne, etc, go (didn't agree with Egbo decision). But that was on the assumption that we would be bringing players in. Still only one recognized striker, no senior right back, still only one left back (Thomas is not a left back before anyone says so) and still in desperate need of a solid CB leader (unfortunately not Hector and Jones who i rate still doesn't seem comfortable yet).

I still find it odd (circumstantially rather than on performance) that Holden was let go, when everyone even he knew the problem was we don't have enough quality players to change shape or just freshen up, unless the owners had absolutely no faith he could turn things around even with a decent squad they still say they are trying to recruit with no manager to have final say. Or was he being offered players by the likes of Scott and kept turning them down because they weren't quite right.

I'm not excited by the likes of Appleton, Cowley or even Bowyer coming back if I'm honest. If Bowyer was offered the chance 100% he would have my support and I do like his attitude, but he's not top of my list just because he's an ex player and I am not obsessed with it needs to be an ex player so they "get charlton". Any manager should just have a desire to win and not play crap football for me. Cowley hasn't got a bad win rate career wise (50.3% on wiki), Appleton 37.8%, Bowyer 37.5%.

For me, getting out League One needs an old school manager, not someone with flash ideas. Flash ideas and pretty football are great if you have the players and if you are top end Championship. But league one is all about digging deep, getting stuck in, playing dirty at times and fighting for everything. If we can get a manager in who can do that I'm all for it. We still don't have the type of players to play that way though.

Pearce with the sort of player he was might have that mentality we need. He obviously lacks experience, and if we were in after the transfer window I'd certainly give him a chance while we either took time to bring someone in or actually give him an opportunity. My concern still is attracting the players we need, even u23 loans with a manager who won't necessarily have the job and they don't know who they will be playing for. I know someone said in reply to one of my post "players will either come or they won't". I'm not digging out that person for saying that because you know you are absolutely right, the problem is we 100% need players to come. If they don't we are in proper bother because what we have currently is absolutely not enough to make us comfortable in League One let alone challenge.

Some will argue that Jones is better than Inniss, Camara is better than Morgan, Campbell is better than Kirk and May is better than Bonne...... all correct by they way (bar maybe Inniss who for all his faults, injuries and suspensions was actually a bloody solid unit of a defender), but improving a handful of players will not make a difference when the others who need to step in when they are injured or suspended (and there will be a lot of suspensions this year with the new bookings rule) are nowhere near good enough. We lose Asiimwe tomorrow, who plays right back?

I stand by my previous statement in another thread, I am genuinely worried about this season at this current time. Close season I was full of hope to finally get an ownership with hopefully the right mentality and stability, and the hope we get a team who will fight for the shirt week in week out. We are now managerless and nowhere near the size squad we need. That 100% could change before 11pm on Friday I appreciate..... currently I can't see it. 

There you have it, any decent manager is in a job and we have to fork out money if not we end up with the same as Holden or worse

[cafcfan32]

Mark Bonner of Cambridge, Leam Richardson or Darren Moore in that order for me

[leedsaddick]

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/blackpool-michael-appleton-charlton-athletic-dean-holden-4273052

According to the Blackpool Gazette, Appleton and Crowley are being interviewed

[iomvaliants]

If we are going off the betting odds for managers, I would have to go with the below and would be happy with any, however very unlikely this is I know.

Lee Bowyer
Darren Moore
Chris Wilder
Paul Lambert
Frank Lampard
Mark Warburton

[reamsofverse]

Where the owners have to be careful with managers like Richardson is he was sacked as Wigan manager last November after a run of six losses in seven matches that saw the club fall into the Championship relegation zone. The sacking came just sixteen days after Richardson had signed a new three-year contract with the club!!

How can he be appointed when they have sacked Holden for an equally poor run?

[kings hill addick]

Aug 30, 2023 11:25:32 GMT cafcfan32 said:

Mark Bonner of Cambridge, Leam Richardson or Darren Moore in that order for me

Jesus!

Are we going to have another three managers this season?  

[massivebeak]

Aug 30, 2023 12:32:42 GMT kings hill addick said:

Aug 30, 2023 11:25:32 GMT cafcfan32 said:

Mark Bonner of Cambridge, Leam Richardson or Darren Moore in that order for me

Jesus!

Are we going to have another three managers this season?  

🤣🤣🤣

[nagaddick]

Rumour on cl that they have gone back in for Powell and he is first choice.

[richmondse10exile]

Having responded favourably to reamsofverse heralding Bowyer in with “a you heard it here first” only for him to say he was being a WUM, this time I’m keeping schtum.

I just hope any prospective signings are being told who it’s likely to be. I can wait till the window closes but I suspect the players we’re approaching (I assume we still are) need a tad more information before committing.

[newyorkaddick]

There may be some self selection bias on my part but so many of the current managers I think we should be either targeting directly (where realistic) or at least seeking to emulate spent their formative years learning firstly to coach properly (even young kids) before subsequently developing managerial skills (eg Thomas Frank, Kieran McKenna, Mark Bonner, Steve Cooper, Luke Williams, Paul Warne, Liam Manning, Michael Duff....).

I'm convinced much of the reason for our consistent underperformance (vs wage bill expectations) is the continual production line of managers who might be able to motivate and build spirit, but have virtually no apparent ability to improve players individually and coach a playing style that makes the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

How many times have we watched us play so-called 'lesser' teams especially at home and thought they were better coached than us?

[Bexleyranger]

Aug 30, 2023 13:51:25 GMT newyorkaddick said:

There may be some self selection bias on my part but so many of the current managers I think we should be either targeting directly (where realistic) or at least seeking to emulate spent their formative years learning firstly to coach properly (even young kids) before subsequently developing managerial skills (eg Thomas Frank, Kieran McKenna, Mark Bonner, Steve Cooper, Luke Williams, Paul Warne, Liam Manning, Michael Duff....).

I'm convinced much of the reason for our consistent underperformance (vs wage bill expectations) is the continual production line of managers who might be able to motivate and build spirit, but have virtually no apparent ability to improve players individually and coach a playing style that makes the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

How many times have we watched us play so-called 'lesser' teams especially at home and thought they were better coached than us?

Very good point mate! My eyes have casted over Mark Bonner the last few days!

[newyorkaddick]

Also notable many of those names didn't play the game at a decent level (or at all)

[Mundell]

Aug 30, 2023 11:12:01 GMT madz said:

Whoever we end up with, without stating the obvious, it has to be someone who actually wants the job. Anyone with a decent record is either well established at their current job and would require a large fee and salary to tempt away, or we end up with someone who is out of work.

No manager outside the top clubs have excellent win rates so if someone is showing experience of anywhere between 30-40% win rate is going to be a decent enough manager for our level. We need someone who can sort out our defence, kick people up the arse when they are not performing, but also attract some players.

Our main problem is we are not getting the basics right. Bizarrely Holden did exactly that when he came in initially. He wasn't a flashy style manager, he got back to basics, it worked and then we stayed up and i was expecting the same this year, nothing pretty just hard graft. This season he seemed to forget those and we kept getting exposed. I agreed with his decision to let the likes of Clare, Morgan, Inniss, Bonne, etc, go (didn't agree with Egbo decision). But that was on the assumption that we would be bringing players in. Still only one recognized striker, no senior right back, still only one left back (Thomas is not a left back before anyone says so) and still in desperate need of a solid CB leader (unfortunately not Hector and Jones who i rate still doesn't seem comfortable yet).

I still find it odd (circumstantially rather than on performance) that Holden was let go, when everyone even he knew the problem was we don't have enough quality players to change shape or just freshen up, unless the owners had absolutely no faith he could turn things around even with a decent squad they still say they are trying to recruit with no manager to have final say. Or was he being offered players by the likes of Scott and kept turning them down because they weren't quite right.

I'm not excited by the likes of Appleton, Cowley or even Bowyer coming back if I'm honest. If Bowyer was offered the chance 100% he would have my support and I do like his attitude, but he's not top of my list just because he's an ex player and I am not obsessed with it needs to be an ex player so they "get charlton". Any manager should just have a desire to win and not play crap football for me. Cowley hasn't got a bad win rate career wise (50.3% on wiki), Appleton 37.8%, Bowyer 37.5%.

For me, getting out League One needs an old school manager, not someone with flash ideas. Flash ideas and pretty football are great if you have the players and if you are top end Championship. But league one is all about digging deep, getting stuck in, playing dirty at times and fighting for everything. If we can get a manager in who can do that I'm all for it. We still don't have the type of players to play that way though.

Pearce with the sort of player he was might have that mentality we need. He obviously lacks experience, and if we were in after the transfer window I'd certainly give him a chance while we either took time to bring someone in or actually give him an opportunity. My concern still is attracting the players we need, even u23 loans with a manager who won't necessarily have the job and they don't know who they will be playing for. I know someone said in reply to one of my post "players will either come or they won't". I'm not digging out that person for saying that because you know you are absolutely right, the problem is we 100% need players to come. If they don't we are in proper bother because what we have currently is absolutely not enough to make us comfortable in League One let alone challenge.

Some will argue that Jones is better than Inniss, Camara is better than Morgan, Campbell is better than Kirk and May is better than Bonne...... all correct by they way (bar maybe Inniss who for all his faults, injuries and suspensions was actually a bloody solid unit of a defender), but improving a handful of players will not make a difference when the others who need to step in when they are injured or suspended (and there will be a lot of suspensions this year with the new bookings rule) are nowhere near good enough. We lose Asiimwe tomorrow, who plays right back?

I stand by my previous statement in another thread, I am genuinely worried about this season at this current time. Close season I was full of hope to finally get an ownership with hopefully the right mentality and stability, and the hope we get a team who will fight for the shirt week in week out. We are now managerless and nowhere near the size squad we need. That 100% could change before 11pm on Friday I appreciate..... currently I can't see it.

Very interesting post in my view and it all makes sense.

I suspect Andy Scott faces something of a dilemma. On the one hand, he’ll want to hire someone who will be able to hit the ground running, get the players organised and motivated and start winning some games. An old school manager might fit this bill, as you say.

On the other hand though, Scott will want someone who is happy to work with a Technical Director, in partnership, and hence work within parameters, some of which might have already been set. In addition, he’ll be looking for good coaching skills and, ideally, a head coach who is particularly good with young players. 

It might prove very challenging to find all of this in one individual, forcing a choice between a Lee Bowyer type profile, for example, and a Brian Barry Murphy type profile. These names are just illustrative, but they highlight the dilemma. A Bowyer type might have an immediate impact, but might prove difficult to work with and is unlikely to build anything, On the other hand, Barry Murphy would almost certainly improve players, but his teams might have a soft underbelly. 

[discocafc]

Aug 30, 2023 12:47:42 GMT nagaddick said:

Rumour on cl that they have gone back in for Powell and he is first choice.

Would love him back

[surridgecobbler5]

Cowley {s} increasingly look to be in the frame... preferable maybe to Appleton

[mersthamred]

Aug 30, 2023 14:03:56 GMT discocafc said:

Aug 30, 2023 12:47:42 GMT nagaddick said:

Rumour on cl that they have gone back in for Powell and he is first choice.

Would love him back

Would bring the feel good factor back. Just don't sack him if we have a bad run.

[reamsofverse]

Chris Powell looking a cert if he wants it. All depends on how much, initially only being offered it on an interim basis has put him off.

[pulled off at half time]

Just not inspired by the idea of Powell, style of play was pretty basic and habitual like for like subs on 70 mins
Hopefully he is more experienced but his last managerial jobs he was terrible

[westwickhamaddick]

Aug 30, 2023 14:30:46 GMT pulled off at half time said:

Just not inspired by the idea of Powell, style of play was pretty basic and habitual like for like subs on 70 mins
Hopefully he is more experienced but his last managerial jobs he was terrible

You know we scored over a 100 goals and 100 points with him don’t you then nearly made the playoffs the following season in the championship before Roland sold half the team . I’d have him for sure he’s exactly what we need. Players will jumpy through hoops for him

[bexleyboy]

Aug 30, 2023 10:17:43 GMT valleyfaithful said:

Personally I'd love Richie Wellens, my Orient mate says he's done wonders on a small budget. And whilst they don't score loads, defensive record is very strong.[/quoted

5 jobs in 6 years .. not a very impressive CV

[bexleyboy]

Aug 30, 2023 12:47:42 GMT nagaddick said:

Rumour on cl that they have gone back in for Powell and he is first choice.

Hope not ……

[whynot]

I would like to see Powell back. He did okay last time. Not a great final season, but then we had a new owner with some funny ideas.

[ExeterAddick]

Aug 30, 2023 14:20:43 GMT reamsofverse said:

Chris Powell looking a cert if he wants it. All depends on how much, initially only being offered it on an interim basis has put him off.

Understandably. Not exactly a vote of confidence, was it.