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Post by squareball on Sept 7, 2023 12:51:40 GMT
Some fans will always believe in the owner, the next manager, or certain players as they develop. Other fans romanticise the past and maintain that it might never be replicated unless somebody "gets the band back together". That might mean Curbs as DoF and/or Varney as CEO. And Duchatelet must gift the Valley & Sparrows Lane back at a knockdown price! The irony is that this group of nostalgic pessimists pine after an SMT that delivers as well as talks to fans. And yet 100% rejects this new SMT which has arranged a payoff for Sandgaard AND has decommissioned the Sandgaard/ Gallen squad... aside from Dobson, Leaburn, CBT and Fraser. Let's face it, we are between eras. "The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born. Now is the time of monsters" - Gramsci This quote from Gramsci is also of relevance to today’s football fans, “The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned. I’m a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will.” The club seems to be bedevilled by noisy nostalgic pessimists. Perhaps they’re living without illusions. The squad is shite and it’s obvious that we’re going to be mid table. It’s pointless pretending otherwise, maybe this, maybe that etc isn’t going to change things. A new manager might get some of them going but they aren’t fit largely so there’s going to be some breakdowns across the season which won’t be covered by either experience or quality. |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Sept 7, 2023 12:59:07 GMT
This quote from Gramsci is also of relevance to today’s football fans, “The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned. I’m a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will.” The club seems to be bedevilled by noisy nostalgic pessimists. Perhaps they’re living without illusions. The squad is shite and it’s obvious that we’re going to be mid table. It’s pointless pretending otherwise, maybe this, maybe that etc isn’t going to change things. A new manager might get some of them going but they aren’t fit largely so there’s going to be some breakdowns across the season which won’t be covered by either experience or quality. Would be nice to get a manger in that recognises the limits of the squad, and plays the game as such. Its no good trying to be Pep with this team. Most of the defence have a nervous breakdown everytime they get the ball. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 7, 2023 13:13:52 GMT
My fear about so much of the messaging being released by Reams (and Dubai on CL) and one or two others is that CM can say whatever he likes without the risk of being accused of not delivering, and/or lying. A bit like the assurances that we would be bringing in a permanent striker (for a large fee) before the end of the window (and a few 'promises' that is will be 'this week'). I know that it is a complicated process getting player transfers over the line but, let's face it, very little of what was 'leaked' actually happened. In fact what we have seen has been more like what was uncovered by some fans that Reams, and the like, said was not the case. Right from the start we were told that CM was just a broker, yet fans had discovered that he was raising funds (in small tranches) across America. Then when the sale goes through CM has a shareholding (that may or may not have been funded from many small investors) and has a senior position at the club on a large salary. Someone, somewhere, was briefing fans to share misinformation. Now rumours are abound that the plan is to sell off all the players with any real value and sign frees, loans, cheap young players and promote from the academy. In January, when Scott was making the decisions, thinking that they were going to buy the club, we sold O'Connell for £300-400k, Stockley for something similar, and signed Hector (who hadn't played a game for two seasons) and Bonne who was every bit as bad as the fans expected him to be. This summer we signed Alfie May (well, Sandgaard did) and paid c. £150k for Terry Taylor and all the rest were loans or free transfers. Even though loan fees are a thing, none of the players we signed were going to get anywhere their club's first teams so I doubt we paid much* in terms of fees. It has been reported, elsewhere, that Man City always loan their players out for free. Then CM does an interview telling us that he can find £4-5m of savings and/or increased revenue. Like no one else has ever been trying to do that. I can't help thinking that the managers that are, apparently, turning us down are being told what the, actual, plan is and don't want it and/or don't think there is much chance of getting any success with it. If a manager was approached and told that there was serious money to spend and the opportunity to build something at one of the biggest clubs outside of the top two divisions they would be mad to turn it down. If they were told it was nothing more than a player harvesting operation where the fans would be demanding a top six finish with a bottom six budget (once net transfer fee revenue is taken into account) then they would predict the same future, for themselves, as Adkins, Jackson, Garner and Holden. One of the leaks that CM shared was that part of the reason Holden had to go was because he was refusing to spend the millions of pounds that were waiting to be used to sign players. Really? Time will tell but there is little (aside from leaked news that isn't, often, accurate) to give much confidence that success on the pitch is the likely outcome of the plan that the club is following. I do hope I'm wrong. *Bexley, feel free not to tell us what you think the fees were as no one believes you. I didnt read beyond your first paragraph mate because you couldn't be more wrong. Just because I am not hyper critical of the new owners on here, don't think for a minute that words havev't been exchanged between me and one or two of them including CM. I am not a yes man. I campaigned for them to be given a chance and threw my weight behind them taking the club over. However I am no more happy about the recruitment and the start we have made than the next man is. It hasn't been good enough, it hasn't been acceptable and I also told them it's a been a cheap effort, one that I am not very impressed with. Believe me they have had both barrels and I didn't hold back. Don't underestimate me KHA, Im no fool and I say what I mean and mean what I say. I don't have to play that out in front of an audience. The Aaron Hayden comments seriously pissed me off and I had a right go at their obsession with youngsters and xg stats, whatever they are. They were left with a right mess of a club I get that and this is going to take time. In my opinion though many of the decisions they have made so far have been questionable which has invited criticism onto themselves and I don't believe they should be exempt from it given the strength of the squad and the performances. Maybe you should have read past the first couple of paragraphs as I wasn't criticising you. I was merely pointing out that by sending messages through you (and others) the club 'buy' themselves deniability if it doesn't happen. They also avoid the questions and follow-ups. I just believe that there hasn't been anywhere near enough evidence to back up what CM (and others?) have shared, through hand picked fans, about the clubs MO. In a nut shell, they haven't delivered what we were told they would. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2023 13:51:28 GMT
I didnt read beyond your first paragraph mate because you couldn't be more wrong. Just because I am not hyper critical of the new owners on here, don't think for a minute that words havev't been exchanged between me and one or two of them including CM. I am not a yes man. I campaigned for them to be given a chance and threw my weight behind them taking the club over. However I am no more happy about the recruitment and the start we have made than the next man is. It hasn't been good enough, it hasn't been acceptable and I also told them it's a been a cheap effort, one that I am not very impressed with. Believe me they have had both barrels and I didn't hold back. Don't underestimate me KHA, Im no fool and I say what I mean and mean what I say. I don't have to play that out in front of an audience. The Aaron Hayden comments seriously pissed me off and I had a right go at their obsession with youngsters and xg stats, whatever they are. They were left with a right mess of a club I get that and this is going to take time. In my opinion though many of the decisions they have made so far have been questionable which has invited criticism onto themselves and I don't believe they should be exempt from it given the strength of the squad and the performances. Maybe you should have read past the first couple of paragraphs as I wasn't criticising you. I was merely pointing out that by sending messages through you (and others) the club 'buy' themselves deniability if it doesn't happen. They also avoid the questions and follow-ups. I just believe that there hasn't been anywhere near enough evidence to back up what CM (and others?) have shared, through hand picked fans, about the clubs MO. In a nut shell, they haven't delivered what we were told they would. Never thought you were criticising me mate not all all and I do agree with what you are saying in general. There is much going on behind the scenes, a clearing up process is going on which they shouldn't be knocked for but on the playing side we a way off it which really is puzzling because there is money there. Silly to throw it around in their first window to be fair but I did expect much better in terms of the loan signings especially. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 7, 2023 13:54:43 GMT
I have said this on several occasions. The only information we get is the leaks via Reams (which are very welcome) and without them we would be very much in the dark. Whilst I take the point that the major investors don't want to involve themselves with the day to day running of the club you would think after spending circa £10m for the club they would at least want to make some sort of statement. I find it completely baffling that they don't unless there is something to hide, and there you have it, silence breeds paranoia! I agree with what has been said about the SMT and I do believe we are in a better place with their expertise. I also believe if TS had gone down this route the team/club would be in a better place than they currently are and there may not have been a need for him to sell. Let's face it spending money wasn't his problem but spending it in the right way certainly was and what he spent singlehandedly in a year is likely to outweigh what the major investors (remember they are allegedly very wealthy and we nicknamed him Skintguaard) will spend collectively. What we do know is they want to bring down operational costs to circa £1m-£2m which is more realistic than TS's "breakeven" but is still unlikely to be possible. And if/when it does fail what will they do then? I think we can all use our own paranoia to work that one out! Something else which I am unhappy about, and I apologise if that has been answered elsewhere or the gang of 4 have made a statement, and that is the lease on the ground and training ground. I seem to recall Reams saying that they spoke with the RD's early doors and it wasn't a problem and I have no reason to doubt that apart from the break clause that I believe the club can enforce next year. I assume they have no plans to enforce it and things will carry on as they are, if so I hope somewhere they have made that clear. As I have also not seen, although I am sure it has, a transfer of lease from TS to S7 Partnerships? If that hasn't happened doesn't it mean TS is still the guarantor, and if so does that affect us re the break clause and what is he actually getting out of it? Anyway. enough from me and my paranoia but the fact we continually have debates on here and all across social media, which is certainly more scathing about the new ownership than we are, does suggest that there is plenty of people who may not trust their motives yet we don't hear anything to allay those fears! The lease was transferred there was no problem with RD Thats very good news, can you point me in the direction where we were told this by them, RD or TS has I totally missed it. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2023 14:08:50 GMT
Following on from my last post, they tell me this is a long-term squad build, aiming at three windows and they are being extremely cautious not to land ourselves with yet more deadwood in any of them.
When they arrived at the club In three weeks before the season started, they were taken aback on how far behind in terms of recruitment, organisation etc, the club was. The fitness levels were a massive concern too.
Im told in an extremely confident tone that what is happening at the club will transform it, but that doesnt happen overnight. They have turned down offers of 4 million for our young players; Andy Scott is turning around the performance set-up; the recruitment is being based off hard, data-driven analysis in readiness for next January and beyond.
I have been urged to judge it after 10 games. Six matches is just not a big enough sample size at any point, let alone at the very start of a new era.
All of the above are the bigger picture and things we don't see so let's get to that 10 game marker then evaluate guys. If we are top half and have identified areas that need strengthening to push us on then I am sure they will deliver.
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Post by clarky on Sept 7, 2023 14:20:12 GMT
Following on from my last post, they tell me this is a long-term squad build, aiming at three windows and they are bring extremely cautious not to land ourselves with yet more deadwood in any of them. When they arrived at the club In three weeks before the season started, they were taken aback on how far behind in terms of recruitment, fitness, organisation etc, the club was. The fitness levels were a massive concern too. Im told in an extremely confident tone that what is happening at the club will transform it, but that doesnt happen overnight. They have turned down offers of 4 million for our young players; Andy Scott is turning around the performance set-up; the recruitment is being based off hard, data-driven analysis in readiness for next January and beyond. I have been urged to judge it after 10 games. Six matches is just not a big enough sample size at any point, let alone at the very start of a new era. All of the above are the bigger picture and things we don't see so let's get to that 10 game marker then evaluate guys. If we are top half and have identified areas that need strengthening to push us on then I am sure they will deliver. That sounds reasonable and until all the new members are fully up to speed it is unfair to judge how good they are and what difference they will make. Good that the fitness levels have also been acknowledged as we have been shocking in that area. Think we are all concerned with what we have witnessed so far but it is early days and l would like to see how we progress in the next few games with a new Manager before writing anybody off. |
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Post by se7sm on Sept 7, 2023 14:33:17 GMT
Following on from my last post, they tell me this is a long-term squad build, aiming at three windows and they are bring extremely cautious not to land ourselves with yet more deadwood in any of them. When they arrived at the club In three weeks before the season started, they were taken aback on how far behind in terms of recruitment, fitness, organisation etc, the club was. The fitness levels were a massive concern too. Im told in an extremely confident tone that what is happening at the club will transform it, but that doesnt happen overnight. They have turned down offers of 4 million for our young players; Andy Scott is turning around the performance set-up; the recruitment is being based off hard, data-driven analysis in readiness for next January and beyond. I have been urged to judge it after 10 games. Six matches is just not a big enough sample size at any point, let alone at the very start of a new era. All of the above are the bigger picture and things we don't see so let's get to that 10 game marker then evaluate guys. If we are top half and have identified areas that need strengthening to push us on then I am sure they will deliver. That sounds reasonable and until all the new members are fully up to speed it is unfair to judge how good they are and what difference they will make. Good that the fitness levels have also been acknowledged as we have been shocking in that area. Think we are all concerned with what we have witnessed so far but it is early days and l would like to see how we progress in the next few games with a new Manager before writing anybody off. 10 games is always the marker ,and not helping being manager less at this point so maybe few more . I can understand the loan market as we needed bodies in and fast, but let’s hope we start signing permanent players in the next window to build the proper squad for next year. would be nice if the major shareholders did comment on at least something to play down some of the negativity around them. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 7, 2023 14:38:18 GMT
Following on from my last post, they tell me this is a long-term squad build, aiming at three windows and they are bring extremely cautious not to land ourselves with yet more deadwood in any of them. When they arrived at the club In three weeks before the season started, they were taken aback on how far behind in terms of recruitment, fitness, organisation etc, the club was. The fitness levels were a massive concern too. Im told in an extremely confident tone that what is happening at the club will transform it, but that doesnt happen overnight. They have turned down offers of 4 million for our young players; Andy Scott is turning around the performance set-up; the recruitment is being based off hard, data-driven analysis in readiness for next January and beyond. I have been urged to judge it after 10 games. Six matches is just not a big enough sample size at any point, let alone at the very start of a new era. All of the above are the bigger picture and things we don't see so let's get to that 10 game marker then evaluate guys. If we are top half and have identified areas that need strengthening to push us on then I am sure they will deliver. Perhaps judge on the next five or six games once new manager arrives. Then determine what needs to happen in January to position the squad where it needs to be for 2024. SE7 Partners don't need to make excuses nor blame Sandgaard and whoever else was responsible for the old squad, old attitudes and old fitness regime. No they need to deliver improvements as per what you state. The fans watch the same games, some discuss and some look into tactics and/or data. That's to say not just individual mistakes. At the same time we've lost six in eight competitive games - and some choose to follow rumours and half truths. A few decent performances and results will take us back to where we were last March: Mid-table with potential. Only this time with SE7 Partners in charge and hopefully more clarity on the pitch and associated narrative. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 7, 2023 15:27:59 GMT
Did they mean 10 games in? I'm not sure 4 more games is really going to look any better... I can see us winning only 4/10. Do we judge it then? Or do they mean 10 games from now?
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Post by valley on Sept 7, 2023 15:35:47 GMT
Maybe new manager tomorrow?.
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Post by bigandy99 on Sept 7, 2023 15:36:55 GMT
Innovation and vibrancy will be a massive plus for the new incoming boss.. and some tactical ability, of course
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2023 15:46:37 GMT
Did they mean 10 games in? I'm not sure 4 more games is really going to look any better... I can see us winning only 4/10. Do we judge it then? Or do they mean 10 games from now? 10 League games from day one. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 7, 2023 16:00:10 GMT
Did they mean 10 games in? I'm not sure 4 more games is really going to look any better... I can see us winning only 4/10. Do we judge it then? Or do they mean 10 games from now? 10 League games from day one. Fair enough. I can't see us winning enough of the next 4 games to make our start look ok. Back on topic, I'm assuming an announcement is due today or tomorrow at the latest. Nothing leaking on social media, suggests the new manager is currently out of work as well. |
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Post by AndyB on Sept 7, 2023 16:17:05 GMT
Did they mean 10 games in? I'm not sure 4 more games is really going to look any better... I can see us winning only 4/10. Do we judge it then? Or do they mean 10 games from now? 10 League games from day one. can’t see that happening- hope I’m wrong! |
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Post by addickted2021 on Sept 7, 2023 17:10:04 GMT
Following on from my last post, they tell me this is a long-term squad build, aiming at three windows and they are being extremely cautious not to land ourselves with yet more deadwood in any of them. When they arrived at the club In three weeks before the season started, they were taken aback on how far behind in terms of recruitment, organisation etc, the club was. The fitness levels were a massive concern too. Im told in an extremely confident tone that what is happening at the club will transform it, but that doesnt happen overnight. They have turned down offers of 4 million for our young players; Andy Scott is turning around the performance set-up; the recruitment is being based off hard, data-driven analysis in readiness for next January and beyond. I have been urged to judge it after 10 games. Six matches is just not a big enough sample size at any point, let alone at the very start of a new era. All of the above are the bigger picture and things we don't see so let's get to that 10 game marker then evaluate guys. If we are top half and have identified areas that need strengthening to push us on then I am sure they will deliver. I find it very hard to trust a organization who pass information to a few people rather than through the clubs website or through local press. Only reason I can conclude is if it doesn't happen they will deny having said it and it will be one person word against another, really doesn't sit right with me. |
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Post by se7sm on Sept 7, 2023 17:45:33 GMT
Maybe new manager tomorrow?. probably not if the reports who we are asking to talk to are true then we are prepared to wait and pay good money for . 🤔 |
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Post by revilo on Sept 7, 2023 17:46:31 GMT
Following on from my last post, they tell me this is a long-term squad build, aiming at three windows and they are being extremely cautious not to land ourselves with yet more deadwood in any of them. When they arrived at the club In three weeks before the season started, they were taken aback on how far behind in terms of recruitment, organisation etc, the club was. The fitness levels were a massive concern too. Im told in an extremely confident tone that what is happening at the club will transform it, but that doesnt happen overnight. They have turned down offers of 4 million for our young players; Andy Scott is turning around the performance set-up; the recruitment is being based off hard, data-driven analysis in readiness for next January and beyond. I have been urged to judge it after 10 games. Six matches is just not a big enough sample size at any point, let alone at the very start of a new era. All of the above are the bigger picture and things we don't see so let's get to that 10 game marker then evaluate guys. If we are top half and have identified areas that need strengthening to push us on then I am sure they will deliver. I find it very hard to trust a organization who pass information to a few people rather than through the clubs website or through local press. Only reason I can conclude is if it doesn't happen they will deny having said it and it will be one person word against another, really doesn't sit right with me. To be fair to them, they have said from the start it's a long term plan. Do we need them to come out after each game to repeat themselves? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2023 18:10:42 GMT
Following on from my last post, they tell me this is a long-term squad build, aiming at three windows and they are being extremely cautious not to land ourselves with yet more deadwood in any of them. When they arrived at the club In three weeks before the season started, they were taken aback on how far behind in terms of recruitment, organisation etc, the club was. The fitness levels were a massive concern too. Im told in an extremely confident tone that what is happening at the club will transform it, but that doesnt happen overnight. They have turned down offers of 4 million for our young players; Andy Scott is turning around the performance set-up; the recruitment is being based off hard, data-driven analysis in readiness for next January and beyond. I have been urged to judge it after 10 games. Six matches is just not a big enough sample size at any point, let alone at the very start of a new era. All of the above are the bigger picture and things we don't see so let's get to that 10 game marker then evaluate guys. If we are top half and have identified areas that need strengthening to push us on then I am sure they will deliver. I find it very hard to trust a organization who pass information to a few people rather than through the clubs website or through local press. Only reason I can conclude is if it doesn't happen they will deny having said it and it will be one person word against another, really doesn't sit right with me. Pass information onto a few pwople? If you contacted CM and asked him questions he wants answering he will answer them. There is no exclusive club out there who he speaks to. I got to know him, we had a beer and he was happy to chat and we have been chatting since. I ask him things which he is happy t answer and is ok with me sharing. Not sure quite what picture you have in your head he doesn't have a chosen one, 2, 3 or 4 for that matter. Everything is laid back, no secrets. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2023 18:16:14 GMT
Maybe new manager tomorrow?. probably not if the reports who we are asking to talk to are true then we are prepared to wait and pay good money for . 🤔 Any names? Who are you referring to? |
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Post by bexleyboy on Sept 7, 2023 18:16:18 GMT
I have said this on several occasions. The only information we get is the leaks via Reams (which are very welcome) and without them we would be very much in the dark. My fear about so much of the messaging being released by Reams (and Dubai on CL) and one or two others is that CM can say whatever he likes without the risk of being accused of not delivering, and/or lying. A bit like the assurances that we would be bringing in a permanent striker (for a large fee) before the end of the window (and a few 'promises' that is will be 'this week'). I know that it is a complicated process getting player transfers over the line but, let's face it, very little of what was 'leaked' actually happened. In fact what we have seen has been more like what was uncovered by some fans that Reams, and the like, said was not the case. Right from the start we were told that CM was just a broker, yet fans had discovered that he was raising funds (in small tranches) across America. Then when the sale goes through CM has a shareholding (that may or may not have been funded from many small investors) and has a senior position at the club on a large salary. Someone, somewhere, was briefing fans to share misinformation. Now rumours are abound that the plan is to sell off all the players with any real value and sign frees, loans, cheap young players and promote from the academy. In January, when Scott was making the decisions, thinking that they were going to buy the club, we sold O'Connell for £300-400k, Stockley for something similar, and signed Hector (who hadn't played a game for two seasons) and Bonne who was every bit as bad as the fans expected him to be. This summer we signed Alfie May (well, Sandgaard did) and paid c. £150k for Terry Taylor and all the rest were loans or free transfers. Even though loan fees are a thing, none of the players we signed were going to get anywhere their club's first teams so I doubt we paid much* in terms of fees. It has been reported, elsewhere, that Man City always loan their players out for free. Then CM does an interview telling us that he can find £4-5m of savings and/or increased revenue. Like no one else has ever been trying to do that. I can't help thinking that the managers that are, apparently, turning us down are being told what the, actual, plan is and don't want it and/or don't think there is much chance of getting any success with it. If a manager was approached and told that there was serious money to spend and the opportunity to build something at one of the biggest clubs outside of the top two divisions they would be mad to turn it down. If they were told it was nothing more than a player harvesting operation where the fans would be demanding a top six finish with a bottom six budget (once net transfer fee revenue is taken into account) then they would predict the same future, for themselves, as Adkins, Jackson, Garner and Holden. One of the leaks that CM shared was that part of the reason Holden had to go was because he was refusing to spend the millions of pounds that were waiting to be used to sign players. Really? Time will tell but there is little (aside from leaked news that isn't, often, accurate) to give much confidence that success on the pitch is the likely outcome of the plan that the club is following. I do hope I'm wrong. *Bexley, feel free not to tell us what you think the fees were as no one believes you. What about the loan fees you forgot them .. And yes you are wrong and you really should let go of this CM affixation .. |
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Post by se7sm on Sept 7, 2023 18:46:50 GMT
probably not if the reports who we are asking to talk to are true then we are prepared to wait and pay good money for . 🤔 Any names? Who are you referring to? nothing new reams was referring to old news of approaching managers in work and the latest asking permission to speak to Mumbai City boss Des Buckingham |
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Post by Eddiecafc01 on Sept 7, 2023 18:55:14 GMT
probably not if the reports who we are asking to talk to are true then we are prepared to wait and pay good money for . 🤔 Any names? Who are you referring to? Have you heard any update on timescale or individuals. If it was Appleton or Cowley would have thought it would be done by now. Heard Appleton might be spoken to by Fleetwood. |
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Post by willett on Sept 7, 2023 18:59:29 GMT
This three window plan is absolute rubbish for me.
Reason One:
Why would most of your recruited players be loans?
They won’t even be here after the third window.
We’ll therefore be in the same situation.
Reason Two:
Talented youngsters like Leaburn could easily only be with us for one more season at the most.
Especially if they see a lack of ambition.
Reason Three:
It’s the weakest League One for many years.
It’s ridiculous to not try to take advantage of that.
This three window plan suggests to me that they’re basically hoping that investors with more money come on board in the mean time.
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Post by cafcph on Sept 7, 2023 19:01:21 GMT
Any names? Who are you referring to? Have you heard any update on timescale or individuals. If it was Appleton or Cowley would have thought it would be done by now. Heard Appleton might be spoken to by Fleetwood. I hope so. He could form a 3 way management team with the Cowley bros |
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Post by clarky on Sept 7, 2023 19:52:23 GMT
My fear about so much of the messaging being released by Reams (and Dubai on CL) and one or two others is that CM can say whatever he likes without the risk of being accused of not delivering, and/or lying. A bit like the assurances that we would be bringing in a permanent striker (for a large fee) before the end of the window (and a few 'promises' that is will be 'this week'). I know that it is a complicated process getting player transfers over the line but, let's face it, very little of what was 'leaked' actually happened. In fact what we have seen has been more like what was uncovered by some fans that Reams, and the like, said was not the case. Right from the start we were told that CM was just a broker, yet fans had discovered that he was raising funds (in small tranches) across America. Then when the sale goes through CM has a shareholding (that may or may not have been funded from many small investors) and has a senior position at the club on a large salary. Someone, somewhere, was briefing fans to share misinformation. Now rumours are abound that the plan is to sell off all the players with any real value and sign frees, loans, cheap young players and promote from the academy. In January, when Scott was making the decisions, thinking that they were going to buy the club, we sold O'Connell for £300-400k, Stockley for something similar, and signed Hector (who hadn't played a game for two seasons) and Bonne who was every bit as bad as the fans expected him to be. This summer we signed Alfie May (well, Sandgaard did) and paid c. £150k for Terry Taylor and all the rest were loans or free transfers. Even though loan fees are a thing, none of the players we signed were going to get anywhere their club's first teams so I doubt we paid much* in terms of fees. It has been reported, elsewhere, that Man City always loan their players out for free. Then CM does an interview telling us that he can find £4-5m of savings and/or increased revenue. Like no one else has ever been trying to do that. I can't help thinking that the managers that are, apparently, turning us down are being told what the, actual, plan is and don't want it and/or don't think there is much chance of getting any success with it. If a manager was approached and told that there was serious money to spend and the opportunity to build something at one of the biggest clubs outside of the top two divisions they would be mad to turn it down. If they were told it was nothing more than a player harvesting operation where the fans would be demanding a top six finish with a bottom six budget (once net transfer fee revenue is taken into account) then they would predict the same future, for themselves, as Adkins, Jackson, Garner and Holden. One of the leaks that CM shared was that part of the reason Holden had to go was because he was refusing to spend the millions of pounds that were waiting to be used to sign players. Really? Time will tell but there is little (aside from leaked news that isn't, often, accurate) to give much confidence that success on the pitch is the likely outcome of the plan that the club is following. I do hope I'm wrong. *Bexley, feel free not to tell us what you think the fees were as no one believes you. What about the loan fees you forgot them .. And yes you are wrong and you really should let go of this CM affixation .. If loans isn't a cheaper way of getting players in we wouldn't have gone for 5 of them. And come next year's pre season window we start by needing to replace a minimum of 5 players again, half a team. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 7, 2023 20:24:07 GMT
This quote from Gramsci is also of relevance to today’s football fans, “The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned. I’m a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will.” The club seems to be bedevilled by noisy nostalgic pessimists. Perhaps they’re living without illusions. The squad is shite and it’s obvious that we’re going to be mid table. It’s pointless pretending otherwise, maybe this, maybe that etc isn’t going to change things. A new manager might get some of them going but they aren’t fit largely so there’s going to be some breakdowns across the season which won’t be covered by either experience or quality. Disagree that the squad is shite, agree with you that the squad is unfit For all of the talk of the rights and wrongs of Holden going the underlining thought with me is he had to take responsibility for the team not being fit enough after all the pre season training I couldn’t quite believe Port Vale being stronger than us at the death at the Valley when some of our players looked out on their feet…. absolutely no excuses for this and even on Tuesday night Crawleys back up players looked fitter and quicker to the ball than ours….. As for the squad being shite i would disagree, I think with Leaburn, Fraser and Camara back in this side and all 100% fit I think we will score goals going forward…. but we failed to address the obvious in the summer which we could all see which was a lack of leadership at the back and this will cost us big time until they attempt to resolve this in January |
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Post by melrose555 on Sept 7, 2023 20:42:56 GMT
Warburton....Please
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 7, 2023 21:10:55 GMT
This three window plan is absolute rubbish for me. Reason One: Why would most of your recruited players be loans? They won’t even be here after the third window. We’ll therefore be in the same situation. Reason Two: Talented youngsters like Leaburn could easily only be with us for one more season at the most. Especially if they see a lack of ambition. Reason Three: It’s the weakest League One for many years. It’s ridiculous to not try to take advantage of that. This three window plan suggests to me that they’re basically hoping that investors with more money come on board in the mean time. Reason One is ridiculous.We have always loaned players. By window three we'll have a much better idea of what we need to get us out of the division. The new signings who have arrived in this window and those who join us in January would have also bedded in by window three. It's only next summer. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 7, 2023 21:17:24 GMT
My fear about so much of the messaging being released by Reams (and Dubai on CL) and one or two others is that CM can say whatever he likes without the risk of being accused of not delivering, and/or lying. A bit like the assurances that we would be bringing in a permanent striker (for a large fee) before the end of the window (and a few 'promises' that is will be 'this week'). I know that it is a complicated process getting player transfers over the line but, let's face it, very little of what was 'leaked' actually happened. In fact what we have seen has been more like what was uncovered by some fans that Reams, and the like, said was not the case. Right from the start we were told that CM was just a broker, yet fans had discovered that he was raising funds (in small tranches) across America. Then when the sale goes through CM has a shareholding (that may or may not have been funded from many small investors) and has a senior position at the club on a large salary. Someone, somewhere, was briefing fans to share misinformation. Now rumours are abound that the plan is to sell off all the players with any real value and sign frees, loans, cheap young players and promote from the academy. In January, when Scott was making the decisions, thinking that they were going to buy the club, we sold O'Connell for £300-400k, Stockley for something similar, and signed Hector (who hadn't played a game for two seasons) and Bonne who was every bit as bad as the fans expected him to be. This summer we signed Alfie May (well, Sandgaard did) and paid c. £150k for Terry Taylor and all the rest were loans or free transfers. Even though loan fees are a thing, none of the players we signed were going to get anywhere their club's first teams so I doubt we paid much* in terms of fees. It has been reported, elsewhere, that Man City always loan their players out for free. Then CM does an interview telling us that he can find £4-5m of savings and/or increased revenue. Like no one else has ever been trying to do that. I can't help thinking that the managers that are, apparently, turning us down are being told what the, actual, plan is and don't want it and/or don't think there is much chance of getting any success with it. If a manager was approached and told that there was serious money to spend and the opportunity to build something at one of the biggest clubs outside of the top two divisions they would be mad to turn it down. If they were told it was nothing more than a player harvesting operation where the fans would be demanding a top six finish with a bottom six budget (once net transfer fee revenue is taken into account) then they would predict the same future, for themselves, as Adkins, Jackson, Garner and Holden. One of the leaks that CM shared was that part of the reason Holden had to go was because he was refusing to spend the millions of pounds that were waiting to be used to sign players. Really? Time will tell but there is little (aside from leaked news that isn't, often, accurate) to give much confidence that success on the pitch is the likely outcome of the plan that the club is following. I do hope I'm wrong. *Bexley, feel free not to tell us what you think the fees were as no one believes you. What about the loan fees you forgot them .. And yes you are wrong and you really should let go of this CM affixation .. No I didn’t. I mentioned them and said that I don’t think they would be much and that if you said they were no one would believe you. |
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