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Post by squareball on Feb 2, 2023 1:28:54 GMT
This discussion is going from the sublime to the ridiculous. I have a question for all those who are deeply cynical of the information being posted on a possible takeover. Suppose, hypothetically, that having been given some information from a source you trust, you decide, in good faith, to share it on this Forum, only to find that what you’ve said is treated not simply with a healthy scepticism, but with derision by some while others accuse you of having made it up? What would you think about that? How would you react? My guess is that you’d be fairly irritated while at the same time be struggling to understand what on earth the problem was. It’s not as if anyone is being asked to put their life’s savings at risk or indeed to take any action whatsoever based on the information being posted. We’re not in a court of law where everything any of us says has to be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. I find it all quite bizarre, but as ever that’s just my personal perspective. I for one hope that those who have information to share will continue to do so. If l got information from someone l trust then naturally I would assume they told me that information because they trust me too.The last thing l would do is betray that trust by posting cryptic messages on an open forum suggesting perhaps this or perhaps that, can’t say who or what l was told etc. That would encourage the gullible to chew on my words unnecessarily causing anxiety or whatever. I would have to accept the bows and arrows if l did post that information as ,despite the trust ,l wouldn’t be able to guarantee that the information was accurate or not prone to change. Hope this helps. Btw your question is only hypothetical and doesn’t actually apply to anyone who responded to the information. It’s completely natural to be inquisitive and we shouldn’t discourage it because of over sensitive posters. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 2, 2023 8:12:16 GMT
Update - Hearing that Methven says the club turned down offers worth “many millions” yesterday for among others Ness, Dobson and Leaburn. The normal caveat applies * (* the source doesn’t tell the truth) I have to say, this is one of the reasons I feel the takeover is happening. We definitely would've had bids for our top players. It's rare that we don't end up selling them. This adds weight to the takeover happening and the fact that we are letting the right players go. Keeping the ones we need. It may just be wishful thinking on my part though. I just think if TS was in charge fully then we'd had sold one of our few talented players. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 8:14:04 GMT
Totally agree 👆
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Post by squareball on Feb 2, 2023 10:20:03 GMT
A new takeover usually comes with their choice of a new manager. Who can say what a new manager might make of this crop of players. He might want rid of most of them.
There was a suggestion that the new owners chose Holden as that guy. That’s not the work of 3 billionaires that’s for sure.
Billionaires with pots of dough will certainly purchase a new team of quality players to get us out of this league meaning the shower we have now will become the periphery players akin to the ones we just offloaded.
Time will reveal all.
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Post by clarky on Feb 2, 2023 10:45:37 GMT
Update - Hearing that Methven says the club turned down offers worth “many millions” yesterday for among others Ness, Dobson and Leaburn. The normal caveat applies * (* the source doesn’t tell the truth) That wouldn't surprise me. Bid also came infor CBT (source: Cawley). |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Feb 2, 2023 10:46:42 GMT
Update - Hearing that Methven says the club turned down offers worth “many millions” yesterday for among others Ness, Dobson and Leaburn. The normal caveat applies * (* the source doesn’t tell the truth) That wouldn't surprise me. Bid also came infor CBT (source: Cawley). I wonder if Gwion Edwards failed medical had any impact on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 10:51:26 GMT
As @dickplumb can also testify, Charlie Methven started to get very cross last night when questioned on what he is playing at.
At one point he was so angry the colour of his face must have resembled his famous trousers.
He will be saying nothing about the January transfer window, as a takeover is still under way.
He also says that he was never subjected to this level of scrutiny at either Oxford or Sunderland, and that he can’t understand why our fanbase asks so many questions. That says all you need to know both about his knowledge of our recent history, and his own levels of arrogance.
Methven is particularly annoyed that we are so worked up about “our fifth choice centre back, who isn’t very good” being sold.
Clearly Phil Parkinson among others doesn’t share that opinion.
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Post by clarky on Feb 2, 2023 10:55:01 GMT
That wouldn't surprise me. Bid also came infor CBT (source: Cawley). I wonder if Gwion Edwards failed medical had any impact on that. Possibly, but if CBT was for a fee wouldn' he have gone and DJ stayed. Will give them the benefit of doubt on this one and say CBT is seen as a key player and fits into future plans. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 10:59:21 GMT
I wonder if Gwion Edwards failed medical had any impact on that. Possibly, but if CBT was for a fee wouldn' he have gone and DJ stayed. Will give them the benefit of doubt on this one and say CBT is seen as a key player and fits into future plans. I think CBT sold was true clarkyNo idea what the hitch was, but Methven says they had bids for lots of our players on Tuesday, as you would expect with other clubs wishing to take advantage of a distressed asset. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 2, 2023 11:18:40 GMT
As @dickplumb can also testify, Charlie Methven started to get very cross last night when questioned on what he is playing at. At one point he was so angry the colour of his face must have resembled his famous trousers. He will be saying nothing about the January transfer window, as a takeover is still under way. He also says that he was never subjected to this level of scrutiny at either Oxford or Sunderland, and that he can’t understand why our fanbase asks so many questions. That says all you need to know both about his knowledge of our recent history, and his own levels of arrogance. Methven is particularly annoyed that we are so worked up about “our fifth choice centre back, who isn’t very good” being sold. Clearly Phil Parkinson among others doesn’t share that opinion. Personally I still think we have cleared the decks for a summer rebuild. Why should new owners pick up the tab for overpaid dead wood who don't fit into Holden's future plans? Shift them while you can is always the best policy and we have done that. Better to do it now as it would have been harder during the summer when so many other options for clubs become available. I really don't get the lack of patience. It's February 2nd and the middle men are still here when they should have been done two days ago. Have you asked yourself why that is? |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Feb 2, 2023 11:20:49 GMT
As @dickplumb can also testify, Charlie Methven started to get very cross last night when questioned on what he is playing at. At one point he was so angry the colour of his face must have resembled his famous trousers. He will be saying nothing about the January transfer window, as a takeover is still under way. He also says that he was never subjected to this level of scrutiny at either Oxford or Sunderland, and that he can’t understand why our fanbase asks so many questions. That says all you need to know both about his knowledge of our recent history, and his own levels of arrogance. Methven is particularly annoyed that we are so worked up about “our fifth choice centre back, who isn’t very good” being sold. Clearly Phil Parkinson among others doesn’t share that opinion. Personally I still think we have cleared the decks for a summer rebuild. Why should new owners pick up the tab for overpaid dead wood who don't fit into Holden's future plans? Shift them while you can is always the best policy and we have done that. Better to do it now as it would have been harder during the summer when so many other options for clubs become available. I really don't get the lack of patience. It's February 2nd and the middle men are still here when they should have been done two days ago. Have you asked yourself why that is? Have we been able to confirm Scott etc are still at the club? Nothing from the clubs socials but that should be the biggest indicator imo if they are in fact still involved. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 2, 2023 11:22:39 GMT
As @dickplumb can also testify, Charlie Methven started to get very cross last night when questioned on what he is playing at. At one point he was so angry the colour of his face must have resembled his famous trousers. He will be saying nothing about the January transfer window, as a takeover is still under way. He also says that he was never subjected to this level of scrutiny at either Oxford or Sunderland, and that he can’t understand why our fanbase asks so many questions. That says all you need to know both about his knowledge of our recent history, and his own levels of arrogance. Methven is particularly annoyed that we are so worked up about “our fifth choice centre back, who isn’t very good” being sold. Clearly Phil Parkinson among others doesn’t share that opinion. The reason the fans ask so many questions is because he answers them. The Royal family don't respond to 'rumours' and 'gossip' so they are, rarely, asked about it. Some of these 'business men' are so attention hungry that they put themselves into the limelight and then when they fail to deliver what they boast they can't understand why people set about demanding answers. I also think that many of the owners, and their lackeys, have no comprehension of just how much our football clubs mean to us. They, just, don't get it. Football clubs are, clearly, not as important to us as our families but there is little else in life that matters more to a fan. When Supporters spend so much time obsessing about their club, what does Methven expect to happen when he makes himself the face of a new takeover. I find it amusing how some people crave attention but then don't like it when people fail to believe enerything they say, and question them. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 11:40:43 GMT
As @dickplumb can also testify, Charlie Methven started to get very cross last night when questioned on what he is playing at. At one point he was so angry the colour of his face must have resembled his famous trousers. He will be saying nothing about the January transfer window, as a takeover is still under way. He also says that he was never subjected to this level of scrutiny at either Oxford or Sunderland, and that he can’t understand why our fanbase asks so many questions. That says all you need to know both about his knowledge of our recent history, and his own levels of arrogance. Methven is particularly annoyed that we are so worked up about “our fifth choice centre back, who isn’t very good” being sold. Clearly Phil Parkinson among others doesn’t share that opinion. Personally I still think we have cleared the decks for a summer rebuild. Why should new owners pick up the tab for overpaid dead wood who don't fit into Holden's future plans? Shift them while you can is always the best policy and we have done that. Better to do it now as it would have been harder during the summer when so many other options for clubs become available. I really don't get the lack of patience. It's February 2nd and the middle men are still here when they should have been done two days ago. Have you asked yourself why that is? With respect Paul, and this isn’t personal to you, I was around in 1984/85, when we had prominent fans at the time calling for “patience” whilst owners worked behind the fans back to shaft the club. I don’t care if it’s Elon Musk as a sponsor talking to the new SMT , until I see 1. Who the money men are. 2. What their plans, are and what the colour of their money is, I will remain both impatient and highly dubious of their intentions. We have been here so many times before. Wasn’t it that prize idiot Richard Murray who publicly boasted “our days of selling players to survive are over” when Roland took over 🤔 Remind me how that ended up. |
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Post by clarky on Feb 2, 2023 11:41:11 GMT
Personally I still think we have cleared the decks for a summer rebuild. Why should new owners pick up the tab for overpaid dead wood who don't fit into Holden's future plans? Shift them while you can is always the best policy and we have done that. Better to do it now as it would have been harder during the summer when so many other options for clubs become available. I really don't get the lack of patience. It's February 2nd and the middle men are still here when they should have been done two days ago. Have you asked yourself why that is? Have we been able to confirm Scott etc are still at the club? Nothing from the clubs socials but that should be the biggest indicator imo if they are in fact still involved. I have seen something on Twitter saying there is a SMT meeting today, so guess they are all still there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 11:41:47 GMT
Personally I still think we have cleared the decks for a summer rebuild. Why should new owners pick up the tab for overpaid dead wood who don't fit into Holden's future plans? Shift them while you can is always the best policy and we have done that. Better to do it now as it would have been harder during the summer when so many other options for clubs become available. I really don't get the lack of patience. It's February 2nd and the middle men are still here when they should have been done two days ago. Have you asked yourself why that is? Have we been able to confirm Scott etc are still at the club? Nothing from the clubs socials but that should be the biggest indicator imo if they are in fact still involved. Methven’s only mention of Andy Scott yesterday was to say he preferred his judgement of a player over Charlton fans. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 2, 2023 12:04:04 GMT
Personally I still think we have cleared the decks for a summer rebuild. Why should new owners pick up the tab for overpaid dead wood who don't fit into Holden's future plans? Shift them while you can is always the best policy and we have done that. Better to do it now as it would have been harder during the summer when so many other options for clubs become available. I really don't get the lack of patience. It's February 2nd and the middle men are still here when they should have been done two days ago. Have you asked yourself why that is? With respect Paul, and this isn’t personal to you, I was around in 1984/85, when we had prominent fans at the time calling for “patience” whilst owners worked behind the fans back to shaft the club. I don’t care if it’s Elon Musk as a sponsor talking to the new SMT , until I see 1. Who the money men are. 2. What their plans, are and what the colour of their money is, I will remain both impatient and highly dubious of their intentions. We have been here so many times before. Wasn’t it that prize idiot Richard Murray who publicly boasted “our days of selling players to survive are over” when Roland took over 🤔 Remind me how that ended up. We are in a difficult spot but I don't think that we are any real danger at this stage. As long as the club (whomever owns it) is prepared for a summer rebuild I think I can be patient for a little while. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 2, 2023 12:19:54 GMT
Have we been able to confirm Scott etc are still at the club? Nothing from the clubs socials but that should be the biggest indicator imo if they are in fact still involved. I have seen something on Twitter saying there is a SMT meeting today, so guess they are all still there. They are and I expect they will be until a deal is done. Just my viewpoint. What would the whole point of it been otherwise. It must be close otherwise they wioldn't still be here. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 2, 2023 12:22:32 GMT
Have we been able to confirm Scott etc are still at the club? Nothing from the clubs socials but that should be the biggest indicator imo if they are in fact still involved. Methven’s only mention of Andy Scott yesterday was to say he preferred his judgement of a player over Charlton fans. To be fair I don't see an issue with that. That is why Scott is here. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Feb 2, 2023 13:18:46 GMT
Andy Scott: "Hopefully we'll get to something a little more permanent in the next week". Speaks volumes imo.
(In regards to his contract status)
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Post by madz on Feb 2, 2023 13:28:00 GMT
As @dickplumb can also testify, Charlie Methven started to get very cross last night when questioned on what he is playing at. At one point he was so angry the colour of his face must have resembled his famous trousers. He will be saying nothing about the January transfer window, as a takeover is still under way. He also says that he was never subjected to this level of scrutiny at either Oxford or Sunderland, and that he can’t understand why our fanbase asks so many questions. That says all you need to know both about his knowledge of our recent history, and his own levels of arrogance. Methven is particularly annoyed that we are so worked up about “our fifth choice centre back, who isn’t very good” being sold. Clearly Phil Parkinson among others doesn’t share that opinion. Not even completed any takeover yet and already animosity between board and fans.....Yay fun times ahead then. For me my issue wasn't with getting rid of Lavelle or O'Connell, it's more that we have replaced two CBs with 1 who hasn't played many games this season. His experience on paper if it comes to fruition could be seen as a shrewd move, but still doesn't hide the fact we now have only Inniss who can be a liability and poor injury record, Thomas who is frankly poor all round, Hector yet to prove himself and Ness who given his lack of experience is showing signs of great promise and probably our best at present. If we end up with relying on Thomas I dread to think. Ok Deji is back but tbh I see Ness as much better, especially for positioning. Also getting rid of Kirk, DJ and Stockley and not replacing them when we were already so short on numbers is a big issue with me. I'd rather have kept them and rebuilt in the summer. Other than saving wages not sure at all what this window achieved other than telling players we don't want them anymore. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Feb 2, 2023 13:33:38 GMT
As @dickplumb can also testify, Charlie Methven started to get very cross last night when questioned on what he is playing at. At one point he was so angry the colour of his face must have resembled his famous trousers. He will be saying nothing about the January transfer window, as a takeover is still under way. He also says that he was never subjected to this level of scrutiny at either Oxford or Sunderland, and that he can’t understand why our fanbase asks so many questions. That says all you need to know both about his knowledge of our recent history, and his own levels of arrogance. Methven is particularly annoyed that we are so worked up about “our fifth choice centre back, who isn’t very good” being sold. Clearly Phil Parkinson among others doesn’t share that opinion. Not even completed any takeover yet and already animosity between board and fans.....Yay fun times ahead then. For me my issue wasn't with getting rid of Lavelle or O'Connell, it's more that we have replaced two CBs with 1 who hasn't played many games this season. His experience on paper if it comes to fruition could be seen as a shrewd move, but still doesn't hide the fact we now have only Inniss who can be a liability and poor injury record, Thomas who is frankly poor all round, Hector yet to prove himself and Ness who given his lack of experience is showing signs of great promise and probably our best at present. If we end up with relying on Thomas I dread to think. Ok Deji is back but tbh I see Ness as much better, especially for positioning. Also getting rid of Kirk, DJ and Stockley and not replacing them when we were already so short on numbers is a big issue with me. I'd rather have kept them and rebuilt in the summer. Other than saving wages not sure at all what this window achieved other than telling players we don't want them anymore. Think Methven is just a broker rather than a board member. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 15:52:27 GMT
Slow hand clap for Andy Scott for that interview 🤥 0/10.
His arguments contained more holes than Steptoe’s string vest, although I must admit “our squad was too big” was a creative one.
The only positive I can take from that interview is that Scott has effectively signed both Gallen and Martin’s P45s.
The players who were allegedly sitting around and damaging morale were coincidentally the highest paid ones, each and every one contracted by Gallen using analytics by M.Sandgaard.
Charlie Methven has already made very clear that Martin Sandgaard’s work isn’t good enough, so let’s hope both he andGallen are moved on next week.
If nothing else, deadline day was a spectacular admission that scouting and recruitment at the club is rotten to the core.
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Post by redoctober on Feb 2, 2023 16:18:45 GMT
Scott obviously thinks he’s going to get a permanent contract soon so my question is why would Scott be happy to hang around if he knows there’s no money. I doubt he’s desperate for a job and certainly not one where his hands are tied by being skint. I think this ties in well with the positive vibes that Reams has hinted at. Not long to wait I would think.
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 2, 2023 16:25:29 GMT
Scott obviously thinks he’s going to get a permanent contract soon so my question is why would Scott be happy to hang around if he knows there’s no money. I doubt he’s desperate for a job and certainly not one where his hands are tied by being skint. I think this ties in well with the positive vibes that Reams has hinted at. Not long to wait I would think. I would imagine that he is happy to work for us until something better comes along. I, also, suspect that his performance at Notts Forest is not going to get him another job in the Premier League and we, probably, pay decent salaries. |
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Post by eric on Feb 2, 2023 16:29:31 GMT
Scott obviously thinks he’s going to get a permanent contract soon so my question is why would Scott be happy to hang around if he knows there’s no money. I doubt he’s desperate for a job and certainly not one where his hands are tied by being skint. I think this ties in well with the positive vibes that Reams has hinted at. Not long to wait I would think. It appears a takeover isn't far away , but the big question remains, taken over by whom ? |
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Post by madz on Feb 2, 2023 16:30:37 GMT
Not even completed any takeover yet and already animosity between board and fans.....Yay fun times ahead then. For me my issue wasn't with getting rid of Lavelle or O'Connell, it's more that we have replaced two CBs with 1 who hasn't played many games this season. His experience on paper if it comes to fruition could be seen as a shrewd move, but still doesn't hide the fact we now have only Inniss who can be a liability and poor injury record, Thomas who is frankly poor all round, Hector yet to prove himself and Ness who given his lack of experience is showing signs of great promise and probably our best at present. If we end up with relying on Thomas I dread to think. Ok Deji is back but tbh I see Ness as much better, especially for positioning. Also getting rid of Kirk, DJ and Stockley and not replacing them when we were already so short on numbers is a big issue with me. I'd rather have kept them and rebuilt in the summer. Other than saving wages not sure at all what this window achieved other than telling players we don't want them anymore. Think Methven is just a broker rather than a board member. Hopefully true, but then he's got some stake in this to make sure the deal goes through. If our reaction to the transfer window has ruffled his feathers bad enough that he's commented on it either he thinks our reaction is going to have an impact on what he is trying to do, or he is actually invested (not financially) in this more than he is letting on. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Feb 2, 2023 16:42:00 GMT
No takeover this week.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Feb 2, 2023 16:47:49 GMT
Personally I still think we have cleared the decks for a summer rebuild. Why should new owners pick up the tab for overpaid dead wood who don't fit into Holden's future plans? Shift them while you can is always the best policy and we have done that. Better to do it now as it would have been harder during the summer when so many other options for clubs become available. I really don't get the lack of patience. It's February 2nd and the middle men are still here when they should have been done two days ago. Have you asked yourself why that is? Have we been able to confirm Scott etc are still at the club? Nothing from the clubs socials but that should be the biggest indicator imo if they are in fact still involved. It does give the impression of ducks being lined up. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 2, 2023 16:54:01 GMT
Slowly but surely.
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Post by bexleyboy on Feb 2, 2023 17:13:00 GMT
Slow hand clap for Andy Scott for that interview 🤥 0/10. His arguments contained more holes than Steptoe’s string vest, although I must admit “our squad was too big” was a creative one. The only positive I can take from that interview is that Scott has effectively signed both Gallen and Martin’s P45s. The players who were allegedly sitting around and damaging morale were coincidentally the highest paid ones, each and every one contracted by Gallen using analytics by M.Sandgaard. Charlie Methven has already made very clear that Martin Sandgaard’s work isn’t good enough, so let’s hope both he andGallen are moved on next week. If nothing else, deadline day was a spectacular admission that scouting and recruitment at the club is rotten to the core. Disagree think Scott interview was very good and 100% correct re-squad why pay wages to players to sit at home on their arses every Saturday makes financial sense ..plus there was a couple of small indications that something happening behind the scenes and that it could be concluded in a week ?? |
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