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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 11:22:00 GMT
8 or 9 clubs give Charlton there backing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 12:33:13 GMT
Very interesting news. How long will this challenge take to resolve?
And will overturning the decision lead to the restoration of Charlton's Championship status? Or just open the door for more legal action to claim loss of earnings etc.
At this stage I would imagine the latter, unless the whole process is very swift indeed. But even if it was and Charlton win, would Sheffield Wednesday be allowed to mount a counter-appeal?
What a mess.
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Post by dartford36 on Aug 4, 2020 12:45:46 GMT
The article does say Charlton are considering appealing not that an appeal has actually yet been made. Indeed I heard on Talk Sport this morning that the club were undecided as to whether to proceed.
I suppose it depends on how much Mr Farnell will charge for his services.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 12:54:58 GMT
Let's stick to league one but go for compensation.The amount we would of lost due to relgation from the Championship.
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 4, 2020 13:00:28 GMT
Told you guys two weeks ago that if we appeal and win then SWFC will also appeal so there is no time for it to happen.
Alan Nixon appears to have conformed that to a SW fan this morning.
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 4, 2020 13:01:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 13:03:25 GMT
Its annoying that shithouse of a club cheat and get away with it. If it was us we would have the book thrown at us.Slowly falling out of love of the game.
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 4, 2020 13:04:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 13:09:53 GMT
They had months to decide the outcome. No can't relegated Sheffield Wednesday can we
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Post by oldred on Aug 4, 2020 13:29:39 GMT
This whole situation shouldn’t even be a discussion really should it.
If the EFL did their job properly, and in a time frame that you would expect it to take, this would have been finalised months ago. The EFL cause many of the problems that they find themselves dealing with, and need to be accountable to a higher body of governance.
Birmingham get points deduction and it’s applied same season. Wigan get points deduction, and it applied same season. Charlton get transfer embargo, it’s applied same season
Wednesday get points deduction, it’s applied NEXT season. by ??. EFL need to explain, if it’s because they took so long to deal with it, then it’s their fault and should be accountable.
What happens is CAFC appeal ? It drags on for another month, new season starts. Sheffield Wednesday would also appeal , What a mess . Thanks EFL
It’s not even just about us avoiding relegation for me, it’s about the EFL allowing clubs that break the rules to gain an advantage, and cheat in the competition, without being severely punished as a deterrent for other clubs.
Something needs to change with the way the EFL is (miss) managed.
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Post by AndyB on Aug 4, 2020 15:52:10 GMT
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 4, 2020 16:01:45 GMT
Wigan find out at 5pm what’s happening postponed from 4pm
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Post by curbs on Aug 4, 2020 16:05:24 GMT
Lets get one thing straight , CAFC cannot appeal. SWFC can and so can the EFL, CAFC do not have a leg to stand on.
The independent committee left it too late for this season and furthermore there is nothing in the rules that say when
the penalty takes place with the exception of clubs who go into admin.
Expect SWFC to appeal and highly probable it will be reduced.
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 4, 2020 16:13:24 GMT
Wigan fail in their appeal ... now expected to go to high court
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 4, 2020 16:15:14 GMT
Lets get one thing straight , CAFC cannot appeal. SWFC can and so can the EFL, CAFC do not have a leg to stand on. The independent committee left it too late for this season and furthermore there is nothing in the rules that say when the penalty takes place with the exception of clubs who go into admin. Expect SWFC to appeal and highly probable it will be reduced. But we can take legal action against the EFL we have backing of 8 teams in the championship and now Wigan appeal failed they will seek to go to high court ... this is still not over
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 16:22:07 GMT
This is simple Charlton have been cheated and Sheffield Wednesday have to be relegated It's a disgrace EFL need replacing ASAP it's criminal
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Post by mikebassett on Aug 4, 2020 16:22:37 GMT
The Football League aren’t going to change their mind and admit their mistake. It’s not them at all. It’s a waste of time appealing.
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Post by AndyB on Aug 4, 2020 16:26:34 GMT
This is simple Charlton have been cheated and Sheffield Wednesday have to be relegated It's a disgrace EFL need replacing ASAP it's criminal spot on! I don’t know how anybody can see it other than this ?
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Post by essexaddick on Aug 4, 2020 17:47:11 GMT
Lets get one thing straight , CAFC cannot appeal. SWFC can and so can the EFL, CAFC do not have a leg to stand on. The independent committee left it too late for this season and furthermore there is nothing in the rules that say when the penalty takes place with the exception of clubs who go into admin. Expect SWFC to appeal and highly probable it will be reduced. But we can take legal action against the EFL we have backing of 8 teams in the championship and now Wigan appeal failed they will seek to go to high court ... this is still not over Yes Bexley, of course they will support us. As long as it's not their money and we pay all the legal costs which we can ill afford.
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Post by somerton on Aug 4, 2020 17:51:32 GMT
I think the legal challenge that Charlton can make, is why it took 9 months from the day the EFL charged them to the setting up of the review panel.
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Post by clarky on Aug 4, 2020 18:16:10 GMT
Lets get one thing straight , CAFC cannot appeal. SWFC can and so can the EFL, CAFC do not have a leg to stand on. The independent committee left it too late for this season and furthermore there is nothing in the rules that say when the penalty takes place with the exception of clubs who go into admin. Expect SWFC to appeal and highly probable it will be reduced. But we can take legal action against the EFL we have backing of 8 teams in the championship and now Wigan appeal failed they will seek to go to high court ... this is still not over I agree it is not over, but cant see any of the legal wranglings being completed before the new season starts. If Wigan win in the High Court then the efl and or Barnsley will appeal. If we get our act together and the point deduction is made against Sheff Wed this season then they will appeal. Cant see how any of that could be completed in less than 5 weeks!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 18:28:26 GMT
But we can take legal action against the EFL we have backing of 8 teams in the championship and now Wigan appeal failed they will seek to go to high court ... this is still not over I agree it is not over, but cant see any of the legal wranglings being completed before the new season starts. If Wigan win in the High Court then the efl and or Barnsley will appeal. If we get our act together and the point deduction is made against Sheff Wed this season then they will appeal. Cant see how any of that could be completed in less than 5 weeks! Agreed, sadly. Every decision will be appealed, then appealed again and again, apparently without end. Never mind this season. It could be years before these issues are finally settled.
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 4, 2020 18:45:40 GMT
I agree it is not over, but cant see any of the legal wranglings being completed before the new season starts. If Wigan win in the High Court then the efl and or Barnsley will appeal. If we get our act together and the point deduction is made against Sheff Wed this season then they will appeal. Cant see how any of that could be completed in less than 5 weeks! Agreed, sadly. Every decision will be appealed, then appealed again and again, apparently without end. Never mind this season. It could be years before these issues are finally settled. I get the refusal to give up but these legal challenges must be costing the club a fortune. Any of their players, that they might have had to start next season with, will have to be sold to pay for legal costs for, let’s be honest, un-winnable appeals. The Administrators are just lining their pockets. it’s disgraceful!
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Post by mistertc73 on Aug 5, 2020 13:41:59 GMT
from november 2019 when they were charged, it took till june 2020 for a hearing, simply said they deliberately waited so long so that they were able to keep sheffield wednesday in the championship
with a deduction this season they would actually punish them for breaching the rules, if they do it next season they are actually not punished at all because then they can simply do the same thing next season as they did in this instance so they would not relegate next season as well, otherwise said creating a vicious cycle so they go free for there fraud time and time again and that with discretion and help from the EFL and other instances who gladly help them stay up instead of other teams they very much more prefer to relegate in their stead
so yes indeed legal action should absolutely be taken against this kind of scandalous actions and totally unfair treatment, they should deploy every legal action possible and go in it as far as is possible to do
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 13:51:44 GMT
This is simple Charlton have been cheated and Sheffield Wednesday have to be relegated It's a disgrace EFL need replacing ASAP it's criminal A Parliamentary enquiry was put back due to the Pandemic overload, otherwise things may have been very different.
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Post by mistertc73 on Aug 5, 2020 13:52:27 GMT
I think the legal challenge that Charlton can make, is why it took 9 months from the day the EFL charged them to the setting up of the review panel. they deliberately took so long so sheffield wednesday would not (have to) relegate, that is the one and only truth about it and in my opinion far beyond a very good reason to take legal action, which they absolutely and rightfully have to do
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Post by mistertc73 on Aug 5, 2020 13:57:36 GMT
This is simple Charlton have been cheated and Sheffield Wednesday have to be relegated It's a disgrace EFL need replacing ASAP it's criminal A Parliamentary enquiry was put back due to the Pandemic overload, otherwise things may have been very different. that is an absolutely certain and very scandalous lie on their part to get away with it keeping sheffield wednesday up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 14:58:09 GMT
A Parliamentary enquiry was put back due to the Pandemic overload, otherwise things may have been very different. that is an absolutely certain and very scandalous lie on their part to get away with it keeping sheffield wednesday up You may be right, but I've tried to keep an open mind, maybe from hope alone. Just maybe they couldn't care a fuck.
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Post by redmidland on Aug 7, 2020 19:46:33 GMT
got a response to my email. posted earlier on this thread, this afternoon, please see below-: basically its a cop-out! Hello Malc Thank you for your email. While I note your views on this matter, it is first worth clarifying that one of the main responsibilities of the EFL is to enforce and uphold its rules and regulations, as agreed by and on behalf of all member Clubs, in order to maintain sporting integrity. In November 2019 the EFL issued Sheffield Wednesday with a charge relating to breaches of its Profitability and Sustainability (P&S) rules. Since then the matter has been in the hands of the Independent Disciplinary Commission, and it is the Commission themselves who has responsibility for reaching a decision on any potential sanction, following representations from both parties. While we share the view that these matters should be concluded as quickly as possible, due to the complex and legal nature of the charges, the process can take a significant period of time to be resolved. The panel conducted a full hearing at the end of June 2020, before finding Sheffield Wednesday guilty based on the fact that the Club should not have included profits from the sale of Hillsborough Stadium in financial statements for the period ending July 2018. The panel therefore decided the Club will face a 12 point deduction, and that this would take effect in season 2020/21. For absolute clarity, while EFL rules determine the application of points deductions for an insolvency event, such as Administration (in the case of Wigan Athletic), the decision and timing of any sanctions determined by an Independent Disciplinary Commission, is entirely at their discretion. I hope that has provided further clarity in relation to your query and thank you for contacting the EFL. Regards, Jessica Supporter Services Department EFL
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Post by jonkool on Aug 7, 2020 19:58:13 GMT
got a response to my email. posted earlier on this thread, this afternoon, please see below-: basically its a cop-out! Hello Malc Thank you for your email. While I note your views on this matter, it is first worth clarifying that one of the main responsibilities of the EFL is to enforce and uphold its rules and regulations, as agreed by and on behalf of all member Clubs, in order to maintain sporting integrity. In November 2019 the EFL issued Sheffield Wednesday with a charge relating to breaches of its Profitability and Sustainability (P&S) rules. Since then the matter has been in the hands of the Independent Disciplinary Commission, and it is the Commission themselves who has responsibility for reaching a decision on any potential sanction, following representations from both parties. While we share the view that these matters should be concluded as quickly as possible, due to the complex and legal nature of the charges, the process can take a significant period of time to be resolved. The panel conducted a full hearing at the end of June 2020, before finding Sheffield Wednesday guilty based on the fact that the Club should not have included profits from the sale of Hillsborough Stadium in financial statements for the period ending July 2018. The panel therefore decided the Club will face a 12 point deduction, and that this would take effect in season 2020/21. For absolute clarity, while EFL rules determine the application of points deductions for an insolvency event, such as Administration (in the case of Wigan Athletic), the decision and timing of any sanctions determined by an Independent Disciplinary Commission, is entirely at their discretion. I hope that has provided further clarity in relation to your query and thank you for contacting the EFL. Regards, Jessica Supporter Services Department EFL If we don’t survive our current existential threat at least we won’t have to be associated with such a craven and spineless controlling body!
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