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Post by rajpatel on Nov 4, 2019 7:53:29 GMT
Taylor needs to fuck off, he's a grade one twat. I must admit that some of his comments are stupid but I thought we were originally talking about when he will be fit to play again...
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Post by redrobin on Nov 4, 2019 15:08:02 GMT
Mark my words " 100% Lyle Taylor will be gone in January " .
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Post by roburwash on Nov 4, 2019 15:55:32 GMT
Mark my words " 100% Lyle Taylor will be gone in January " . I really hope not. I don't follow Twitter so I don't care what he posts there as long as it's not anti-club or team-mates. I have loved his contributions on the pitch and I like his persona there, too. I am also aware of the good he does in the community. We will be much the poorer without him.
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Post by oldred on Nov 4, 2019 18:07:18 GMT
Mark my words " 100% Lyle Taylor will be gone in January " . I think almost everyone has known that since the last window.
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Post by brian on Nov 4, 2019 20:55:04 GMT
Mark my words " 100% Lyle Taylor will be gone in January " . I think almost everyone has known that since the last window. You watched Lyle's comments in the video "Bowyers Charlton Revolution". Sounds like pride and commitment to everything CAFC to me. If Lyle goes it will be for opportunities that we can't match and are good for his career like Bauer did and so good luck to him. We can't "know" what will happen and I'm totally pissed with the petty snipping and meaningless insults. He deserves respect not all this s***. Sounds like you guys wishing all our best stuff away wanting to make low life predictions a self fulfilling prophecy!! The sooner he's back and fully fit, his football doing the talking and affirming his right to our respect the better. In the meantime...let him be!
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Post by oldred on Nov 4, 2019 23:00:48 GMT
I think almost everyone has known that since the last window. You watched Lyle's comments in the video "Bowyers Charlton Revolution". Sounds like pride and commitment to everything CAFC to me. If Lyle goes it will be for opportunities that we can't match and are good for his career like Bauer did and so good luck to him. We can't "know" what will happen and I'm totally pissed with the petty snipping and meaningless insults. He deserves respect not all this s***. Sounds like you guys wishing all our best stuff away wanting to make low life predictions a self fulfilling prophecy!! The sooner he's back and fully fit, his football doing the talking and affirming his right to our respect the better. In the meantime...let him be! Ok “accepted” would’ve been a better and more suitable word than known. And yes, I agree with a lot of what you have said, and I have no doubt that he is proud of what we/ he have achieved . I’m sure Bauer, Aribo and Dijksteel we’re proud also, and were even quoted as saying they didn’t really want to leave. It will take more than pride for most people to turn down an offer several times higher than they are currently receiving. LB comments at the time of Brentford’s offers made it quite obvious that Lyle wanted to go. There are a few possibilities that he won’t leave in January. If his injury is still a problem or he isn’t still scoring goals. If there is finally a takeover. If he/ we decide to run his contract down, or RD decides to match Brentford’s or another clubs offer. Let me clarify here, I will be delighted if he was to stay, he had been a huge part of us getting to where we are now, and his absence has I’m sure, cost us points. LB managed to keep him here last time, and let’s hope he can do it again, but maybe he will have no say in it.
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Post by brian on Nov 5, 2019 7:29:40 GMT
You watched Lyle's comments in the video "Bowyers Charlton Revolution". Sounds like pride and commitment to everything CAFC to me. If Lyle goes it will be for opportunities that we can't match and are good for his career like Bauer did and so good luck to him. We can't "know" what will happen and I'm totally pissed with the petty snipping and meaningless insults. He deserves respect not all this s***. Sounds like you guys wishing all our best stuff away wanting to make low life predictions a self fulfilling prophecy!! The sooner he's back and fully fit, his football doing the talking and affirming his right to our respect the better. In the meantime...let him be! Ok “accepted” would’ve been a better and more suitable word than known. And yes, I agree with a lot of what you have said, and I have no doubt that he is proud of what we/ he have achieved . I’m sure Bauer, Aribo and Dijksteel we’re proud also, and were even quoted as saying they didn’t really want to leave. It will take more than pride for most people to turn down an offer several times higher than they are currently receiving. LB comments at the time of Brentford’s offers made it quite obvious that Lyle wanted to go. There are a few possibilities that he won’t leave in January. If his injury is still a problem or he isn’t still scoring goals. If there is finally a takeover. If he/ we decide to run his contract down, or RD decides to match Brentford’s or another clubs offer. Let me clarify here, I will be delighted if he was to stay, he had been a huge part of us getting to where we are now, and his absence has I’m sure, cost us points. LB managed to keep him here last time, and let’s hope he can do it again, but maybe he will have no say in it. Heck yeah lets look on the bright side!
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Post by benj on Nov 5, 2019 17:03:44 GMT
Lyle getting attacked on twitter for his response to Corbyns nonsense just shows how ignorant Corbyn’s brainwashed followers are.
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Post by charltonheston on Nov 5, 2019 20:40:56 GMT
Totally agree
Come on Boris
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 6, 2019 10:01:24 GMT
No politics on here please.
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Post by charltonheston on Nov 6, 2019 10:30:20 GMT
sorry
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Post by cafc2002 on Nov 6, 2019 12:06:02 GMT
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Post by mersthamred on Nov 6, 2019 14:10:20 GMT
Great player - hope he stays.
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Post by revilo on Nov 26, 2019 8:04:33 GMT
Lee Bowyer has said that he'll back for 7th December game against Middlesbrough
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 18:35:01 GMT
Found a pen... Didn’t work... Gave it a sheikh, still nothing. I’ll update you when the ink starts flowing... #PenProblems #InkStinks
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Post by MidlandRed on Nov 29, 2019 22:24:21 GMT
Found a pen... Didn’t work... Gave it a sheikh, still nothing. I’ll update you when the ink starts flowing... #PenProblems #InkStinks Really don't understand what makes him think to make these tweets.
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Post by hongkongaddick67 on Nov 29, 2019 23:59:04 GMT
Don't think we've ever had a player craves so much attention. Social media for ya
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 29, 2019 23:59:31 GMT
If what we’ve seen so far is anything to go by I fear that the financial demands for Taylor to stay will be uneconomical.
If the new owners are as rich as we keep being told I suspect that all of the Agents will ramp up their player’s demands. I’m not sure Taylor (at nearly 30) is worth £20k a week, but if his Agent asks for even more than that we could set a shocking trend if we give into his demands.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 5:17:29 GMT
If what we’ve seen so far is anything to go by I fear that the financial demands for Taylor to stay will be uneconomical. If the new owners are as rich as we keep being told I suspect that all of the Agents will ramp up their player’s demands. I’m not sure Taylor (at nearly 30) is worth £20k a week, but if his Agent asks for even more than that we could set a shocking trend if we give into his demands. Taylor is in a strong bargaining position now. In a way this is the first decision making test - albeit a relatively minor one - of the new administration. If Taylor's demands are unreasonably high and the Club gives him what he wants (in order to please the expectant fans) it could possibly cause some disquiet in the dressing room and create more wage issues there for the future. However, if the Club says no and Taylor leaves in January, among some supporters the first seeds of doubt might be sown. A few may question the commitment of the new owners. Parallels might be drawn (fairly or otherwise) with the Kermorgant situation, back at the beginning of Duchatelet's reign.
On balance, if I were the new owners I would give Taylor what he wants (assuming it is not a completely stupid sum, way beyond £20k per week. Preferably for no longer than 18 months as well, though a very generous 2 and a half years might be OK if they feel so inclined). Player wages in general will be rising anyway I would assume over the next season and a half. High morale in the dressing room under Lee Bowyer, and a general expectation of better pay to come among all the players, will hopefully dilute any disquiet or jealousy at a pay hike now for LT. And the news of a new contract for Lyle will certainly lift the fans even further after the take-over news, and give cause to trust that the new CAFC regime is really committed to investing in a better future for the Club. A little extra money paid out now, in order to begin building a solid and positive relationship with the fan base, and boost our chances on the pitch for the rest of this season. Good politics I think
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Post by mersthamred on Nov 30, 2019 7:25:30 GMT
If we can match Brentford's wages he'll stay. We don't have to offer crazy money, no-one is going to offer him wages that are beyond us now.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 30, 2019 10:33:01 GMT
If what we’ve seen so far is anything to go by I fear that the financial demands for Taylor to stay will be uneconomical. If the new owners are as rich as we keep being told I suspect that all of the Agents will ramp up their player’s demands. I’m not sure Taylor (at nearly 30) is worth £20k a week, but if his Agent asks for even more than that we could set a shocking trend if we give into his demands. Taylor is in a strong bargaining position now. In a way this is the first decision making test - albeit a relatively minor one - of the new administration. If Taylor's demands are unreasonably high and the Club gives him what he wants (in order to please the expectant fans) it could possibly cause some disquiet in the dressing room and create more wage issues there for the future. However, if the Club says no and Taylor leaves in January, among some supporters the first seeds of doubt might be sown. A few may question the commitment of the new owners. Parallels might be drawn (fairly or otherwise) with the Kermorgant situation, back at the beginning of Duchatelet's reign.
On balance, if I were the new owners I would give Taylor what he wants (assuming it is not a completely stupid sum, way beyond £20k per week. Preferably for no longer than 18 months as well, though a very generous 2 and a half years might be OK if they feel so inclined). Player wages in general will be rising anyway I would assume over the next season and a half. High morale in the dressing room under Lee Bowyer, and a general expectation of better pay to come among all the players, will hopefully dilute any disquiet or jealousy at a pay hike now for LT. And the news of a new contract for Lyle will certainly lift the fans even further after the take-over news, and give cause to trust that the new CAFC regime is really committed to investing in a better future for the Club. A little extra money paid out now, in order to begin building a solid and positive relationship with the fan base, and boost our chances on the pitch for the rest of this season. Good politics I think Interesting and commonly held sentiments but allow me to challenge: Most fans actually want a sustainable club as opposed to one that gives in to manager and player demands - our downfall was delivered by Dowie and Pardew who spent millions and proceeded to deliver two relegations in three seasons! What we need is a goal scoring striker in January to partner Bonne. If Taylor and the new owners can find an accommodation then great but hes not the only answer! What we dont need is a repeat of Jan 2014 with Kermorgant going to Bournemouth and replaced by Polish Pete. But if Taylor does go then most of us will be supporting Bowyer and the lads rather than those who choose NOT to wear our shirt. What I'm trying to say is that CAFC needs to run professionally and our trust should be based upon the first XI in February, not any one player.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:25:02 GMT
...What we dont need is a repeat of Jan 2014 with Kermorgant going to Bournemouth and replaced by Polish Pete. But if Taylor does go then most of us will be supporting Bowyer and the lads rather than those who choose NOT to wear our shirt... Choosing not to wear a Charlton shirt did not dent Kermorgant's reputation much with Charlton fans. I don't think you'll find the whole fan base just turning its back on Lyle Taylor and forgetting he ever existed, should he leave in January. And signing a good replacement for Taylor in January will cost not far off £10 million I would estimate. That's a lot of money, compared with just giving LT his £20K per week and keeping him in a Charlton shirt for another 18 months. And Taylor is already a fan's favourite and proven goal scorer for Charlton. As I said, good politics. Sometimes being politically astute overrides straight-jacketing rules about 'running the Club responsibly'. Something that Duchatelet never understood. Seems perhaps he was not alone in that failing.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 30, 2019 18:39:11 GMT
...What we dont need is a repeat of Jan 2014 with Kermorgant going to Bournemouth and replaced by Polish Pete. But if Taylor does go then most of us will be supporting Bowyer and the lads rather than those who choose NOT to wear our shirt... Choosing not to wear a Charlton shirt did not dent Kermorgant's reputation much with Charlton fans. I don't think you'll find the whole fan base just turning its back on Lyle Taylor and forgetting he ever existed, should he leave in January. And signing a good replacement for Taylor in January will cost not far off £10 million I would estimate. That's a lot of money, compared with just giving LT his £20K per week and keeping him in a Charlton shirt for another 18 months. And Taylor is already a fan's favourite and proven goal scorer for Charlton. As I said, good politics. Sometimes being politically astute overrides straight-jacketing rules about 'running the Club responsibly'. Something that Duchatelet never understood. Seems perhaps he was not alone in that failing. We have the lowest wage bill in the Championship. A new contract for Taylor plus signing Cullen on a perm might cost CAFC an additional £3M in wages but the irony is that this won't change the starting XI! Been saying for a while that more progress at CAFC in 2020 will be very expensive, so perfect timing for a takeover and new ambition. But no player, manager, fan, staffer or director is bigger than the club @lardiman - we all need to pull together as one - perhaps a few less snide comments towards your fellow fans might be a contribution?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 19:04:38 GMT
Choosing not to wear a Charlton shirt did not dent Kermorgant's reputation much with Charlton fans. I don't think you'll find the whole fan base just turning its back on Lyle Taylor and forgetting he ever existed, should he leave in January. And signing a good replacement for Taylor in January will cost not far off £10 million I would estimate. That's a lot of money, compared with just giving LT his £20K per week and keeping him in a Charlton shirt for another 18 months. And Taylor is already a fan's favourite and proven goal scorer for Charlton. As I said, good politics. Sometimes being politically astute overrides straight-jacketing rules about 'running the Club responsibly'. Something that Duchatelet never understood. Seems perhaps he was not alone in that failing. We have the lowest wage bill in the Championship. A new contract for Taylor plus signing Cullen on a perm might cost CAFC an additional £3M in wages but the irony is that this won't change the starting XI! Been saying for a while that more progress at CAFC in 2020 will be very expensive, so perfect timing for a takeover and new ambition. But no player, manager, fan, staffer or director is bigger than the club @lardiman - we all need to pull together as one - perhaps a few less snide comments towards your fellow fans might be a contribution?! Taylor leaving will change the starting XI though. And replacing him will cost a lot more than £3m, with no guarantee that the replacement will do as well as LT does. And as for snide comments - apologies for not making myself clear enough. You seem to believe, as Duchatelet believes, that running the Club responsibly is the only priority. Something to be followed to the exclusion of all other options. In my view your original reply to my post clearly shows that. You appear to consider running the Club responsibly as mattering more than being flexible in order to keep Lyle Taylor. That is exactly the attitude Duchatelet would take - and it's not politically astute. Fans aren't excited by spreadsheets and good accountancy. Every Charlton fan would agree that our greatest seasons past are the ones where we won Cups and promotions. Those are the seasons that light up our history - not the seasons where the Club made the most profit. Supporters want to see players in a Charlton shirt playing great football and winning games for our Club. Lyle Taylor does that. But he isn't going to do it for peanuts and the simple love of CAFC, when there are other Clubs out there who will pay him better money to thrill their fans. So do we pay him, or deny reality and sit on the moral high ground, while the lowest budget in the Championship (masquerading as responsible running of the Club) sends us back into the lower leagues. Charlton Athletic isn't a factory making widgets, or an IT service supplier. It's a Football Club. Football is all about emotion, passion and pride. Not a column of numbers in a ledger. That stuff is a necessary nuisance, not a philosophy to cherish over all others.
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Post by lukepiestalker on Nov 30, 2019 19:18:22 GMT
Choosing not to wear a Charlton shirt did not dent Kermorgant's reputation much with Charlton fans. I don't think you'll find the whole fan base just turning its back on Lyle Taylor and forgetting he ever existed, should he leave in January. And signing a good replacement for Taylor in January will cost not far off £10 million I would estimate. That's a lot of money, compared with just giving LT his £20K per week and keeping him in a Charlton shirt for another 18 months. And Taylor is already a fan's favourite and proven goal scorer for Charlton. As I said, good politics. Sometimes being politically astute overrides straight-jacketing rules about 'running the Club responsibly'. Something that Duchatelet never understood. Seems perhaps he was not alone in that failing. We have the lowest wage bill in the Championship. A new contract for Taylor plus signing Cullen on a perm might cost CAFC an additional £3M in wages but the irony is that this won't change the starting XI! Been saying for a while that more progress at CAFC in 2020 will be very expensive, so perfect timing for a takeover and new ambition. But no player, manager, fan, staffer or director is bigger than the club @lardiman - we all need to pull together as one - perhaps a few less snide comments towards your fellow fans might be a contribution?! There are threads on here currently which could easily arguably include an at least 4 year snide fest against fans with different opinions so where are you /were you then? Selectivity is not a great trait, mate. Lardi is honest he is no snide. While on this subject FFS if this whole thing is about to go through can we just stop cunting each other off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 19:38:11 GMT
I accept my remark about Duchatelet not being alone in his lack of political astuteness was not very up front. I was inferring something that I should have just come out and said plainly. An error I have now corrected. And perhaps it does seem untimely for the two of us to be disagreeing over this issue right now, on the threshold of a brand new future for CAFC and all its supporters. But it's nothing personal (honest!) seriouslyred and I have differing opinions on how to handle the question of Lyle Taylor staying or not beyond January. I happen to think his approach, and the philosophy behind it, is similar to the approach Duchatelet would take - and indeed did apparently take regarding Yann Kermorgant back in 2014. I believe that approach is not the right one, and I hope the new owners don't go that way. SR obviously believes my approach is the wrong one, or we wouldn't be disagreeing about it in the first place. But that's OK. It's just a disagreement. Even our new era of hope for the future won't see all Charlton fans agreeing about everything. However, I'll let it go and not comment again on this particular disagreement, as I think I have made my position clear enough.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 30, 2019 20:48:41 GMT
I accept my remark about Duchatelet not being alone in his lack of political astuteness was not very up front. I was inferring something that I should have just come out and said plainly. An error I have now corrected. And perhaps it does seem untimely for the two of us to be disagreeing over this issue right now, on the threshold of a brand new future for CAFC and all its supporters. But it's nothing personal (honest!) seriouslyred and I have differing opinions on how to handle the question of Lyle Taylor staying or not beyond January. I happen to think his approach, and the philosophy behind it, is similar to the approach Duchatelet would take - and indeed did apparently take regarding Yann Kermorgant back in 2014. I believe that approach is not the right one, and I hope the new owners don't go that way. SR obviously believes my approach is the wrong one, or we wouldn't be disagreeing about it in the first place. But that's OK. It's just a disagreement. Even our new era of hope for the future won't see all Charlton fans agreeing about everything. However, I'll let it go and not comment again on this particular disagreement, as I think I have made my position clear enough. No offence taken. And for what it's worth, I'm not stating "you're wrong", just putting up a simple challenge. For the avoidance of doubt, it may be the case that Taylor and his agent have already worked on a deal to go elsewhere so the decision is beyond the control of the new board except to retain him until the end of the season. Where we might stand on common ground is that these new owners are reported to have paid £50M and they haven't done that so as to piss about in the bottom six! They will almost certainly give Bows and Gallen a sufficient budget to close deals on some real talent in January. Those additions along with players returning from injury should see a very strong first XI by the end of January - ideally enough so that we can climb back to mid-table. Sustainability on its own serves no purpose save to keep CAFC in the game and make the club attractive to new owners. Where we appear to differ is that in the short term, some see that as viable and indeed preferable to throwing money at poor players, whereas others take a very emotional view to the squad wanting to both bin players after a couple of bad games and reward those who show talent, even when they prioritise their bank balance over our club prospects. Assuming the deal goes through, perhaps the best thing we can do is to wait and see what happens in the January window - let's see what the squad looks link on February 1st 2020!!!
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Post by 1978sussex on Dec 2, 2019 14:25:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 15:17:24 GMT
Also Sam Field in three weeks.
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 2, 2019 19:48:02 GMT
So basically not much changing in the next few games ...team at Boro
Phillips Matthews Sarr Pearce Purrington
Pratley Gallagher Oshilaja Oztumer
Leko Bonne
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