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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 9:56:04 GMT
Does seem they tried and had the backing to bring in replacements, but we were one of many clubs trying to bring in a striker.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 9:59:03 GMT
Charlton Athletic boss reveals how close they were to signing Bolton ace Erhun Oztumer – and discusses bid to land Bristol City striker Mo Eisa BY RICHARD CAWLEY Lee Bowyer has revealed that Erhun Oztumer was ready to sign for Charlton Athletic on transfer deadline day – only for the move to collapse when Bolton Wanderers could not land a replacement. The Addicks chief also confirmed that Bristol City’s Mo Eisa was a prime target. But again the Championship club were unable to make a signing of their own to free up the striker for a loan move. Charlton did take Gillingham’s Josh Parker on a short-term permanent switch until the summer. But they failed to bring in the kind of firepower to replace 14-goal Karlan Grant, who joined Huddersfield Town in a £2million deal last Wednesday. Oztumer, 27, was actually with Addicks officials on Thursday as he waited for the green light to sign. “I feel sorry for the lad,” said Charlton boss Bowyer. “He was at the ground to sign the papers. “Because there was no number nine available, we went for the best number 10 who scores goals. “In the last couple of seasons he has scored 15 goals and got 10 assists in both of them. “We had a back-up plan which all went pear-shaped. It was reliant on Bolton bringing in Ched Evans – who then scored against us at the weekend! “The kid was gutted. We had it all lined up but it didn’t go our way. “He [Eisa] was one we were looking to bring in. Bristol were trying hard to bring someone in. There was a Championship club trying to take him as well but he said he wanted to come here, we were his first choice. “He would’ve been a good replacement for Karlan in terms of the similarities between the two of them, but it just didn’t happen. “I think they were trying to go for Scott Hogan, who ended up at Sheffield United. They were trying and trying, but couldn’t get anyone in.” It left Bowyer desperately short of options for Saturday’s 1-0 loss at Fleetwood Town. Top-scorer Lyle Taylor serves the final match of his suspension against Southend this weekend. “We had Igor [Vetokele] on the bench and he has only played 45 minutes since he dislocated his shoulder,” said Bowyer. “It was Reeco Hackett-Fairchild’s first start and Josh only trained on Friday. “We were light – there is no hiding it. We’ll have the same problem this weekend. “This is the hand we’ve been dealt and we’ve got to get on with it. There is no point crying over split milk – it is what it is, we can’t change it now. “But we’ll also look at people who are out of contract as well and see if anyone has come available since the window closed. But I don’t think there is much out there, if I’m honest. There is no point bringing a body, in just for the sake of it. “We had identified the best ones out there but we were reliant on the other clubs and unfortunately they had the same problem – they couldn’t release a striker until they had brought one in. “To be honest, we were lucky to bring Josh in. He became available only a day or two before the end of the window.” Is it just me who finds this confusing? In a previous interview he was asked if he was given funds and he said “ No”. However if we believe this article then not only would we have paid for Parker but also Oztumer and paid a loan fee for Eisa too. So he must have had funds! Which is it Lee as your making yourself sound silly, unless of course Cawley took it out of context to create a story!
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 5, 2019 10:22:44 GMT
Funds for transfers is quite a bit more than funds for loans.
It seems that RD does listen to the requests from LB for loan costs but doesn't want to provide the upfront transfer costs. As loan money is majority wages, which the new owner would pick up the costs of. Whereas the transfer funds would likely need to be paid (at least a good portion of it), which is money he wouldn't get back as such when he sells.
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Post by northlondonaddict on Feb 5, 2019 10:25:56 GMT
Funds for transfers is quite a bit more than funds for loans. It seems that RD does listen to the requests from LB for loan costs but doesn't want to provide the upfront transfer costs. As loan money is majority wages, which the new owner would pick up the costs of. Whereas the transfer funds would likely need to be paid (at least a good portion of it), which is money he wouldn't get back as such when he sells. picking up on that point, we were apparently so close to signing oztumer, was we going to buy him or loan him that has not been mentioned anywhere as yet
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Post by northlondonaddict on Feb 5, 2019 10:27:21 GMT
Funds for transfers is quite a bit more than funds for loans. It seems that RD does listen to the requests from LB for loan costs but doesn't want to provide the upfront transfer costs. As loan money is majority wages, which the new owner would pick up the costs of. Whereas the transfer funds would likely need to be paid (at least a good portion of it), which is money he wouldn't get back as such when he sells. picking up on that point, we were apparently so close to signing oztumer, was we going to buy him or loan him that has not been mentioned anywhere as yet
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Post by northlondonaddict on Feb 5, 2019 10:38:19 GMT
picking up on that point, we were apparently so close to signing oztumer, was we going to buy him or loan him that has not been mentioned anywhere as yet
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 5, 2019 10:51:34 GMT
picking up on that point, we were apparently so close to signing oztumer, was we going to buy him or loan him that has not been mentioned anywhere as yet Dear Mr Bowyer/Gallen We had all fucking month to bring Otzumer in just like we had all month to ship the players out that we did. Ajose has been rotting away for months so please do not insult my intelligence by claiming Otzumer is not with us because Bolton failed to get Ched Evans. You, Gallen and most of all the cnut holed up in his office in Belgium got this one wrong, it's no good blaming anybody else. Our promotion hopes have been severely compromised as a result. Revealing we could have had Otzumer and Eisa but ended up with Parker does you and our recruitment team no favours at all, the Parker story just tells me all I need to know about just what kind of impact he is going to have at the Valley, a bit like Hackett-Fairchild. It's a case of nailing down the out of contract players on long term contracts now and trying to bring in Eisa and Otzumer for another go at L1 next season.
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Post by surfaddick on Feb 5, 2019 11:18:49 GMT
Bloody hell, here we go. Our fans flip-flap faster than Marcus Rashford, it's giving me motion sickness. All aboard the loopy-loo express, first stop Broadmoor!
How about watching, supporting, and hoping for the best rather than deciding we're all doomed, everything is awful, and that Bowyer is now the enemy!?
Still in a promotion spot, still within touching distance of automatic promotion, still can sign free agents. Can't wait for us to beat Southend this weekend and the inevitable flip-flap back to Bowyer being boy wonder. Oh god, here it comes again... Someone pass me the bucket.
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Post by 1978sussex on Feb 5, 2019 12:19:02 GMT
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Post by oisalmon74 on Feb 5, 2019 12:49:54 GMT
Can I claim the scoop for proposing Anichebe and Agbonlahor yesterday?
Now if only I was on their agents commission....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 12:55:30 GMT
Dear Mr Bowyer/Gallen We had all fucking month to bring Otzumer in just like we had all month to ship the players out that we did. Ajose has been rotting away for months so please do not insult my intelligence by claiming Otzumer is not with us because Bolton failed to get Ched Evans. Do you not believe that we didn't get him because Bolton wouldn't let him go without a replacement confirmed and / or do you not believe that the replacement they wanted was Evans ? The Fleetwood commentators on iPlayer at the weekend seemed 100% sure that Evans was expected to have gone to Bolton and they are fairly close to the situation.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 5, 2019 13:08:38 GMT
I said we didn't get him because we left it last minute and relied on other clubs.
Fucking about with poxy loans when 48 hours earlier we got £2m for Grant to go on top of the £11m for Lookman is criminal.
Why let Clarke go when you haven't got his replacement over the line?
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Post by roburwash on Feb 5, 2019 13:14:36 GMT
Bowyer said, “We had identified the best ones out there but we were reliant on the other clubs and unfortunately they had the same problem – they couldn’t release a striker until they had brought one in." If they can hold on to a striker until they find a replacement, why can't we? An honest question - not trying to stir.
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Post by eastterrace1949 on Feb 5, 2019 13:32:06 GMT
Bowyer said, “We had identified the best ones out there but we were reliant on the other clubs and unfortunately they had the same problem – they couldn’t release a striker until they had brought one in." If they can hold on to a striker until they find a replacement, why can't we? An honest question - not trying to stir. Because we have a money grabbing owner!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 13:34:34 GMT
I said we didn't get him because we left it last minute and relied on other clubs. Fucking about with poxy loans when 48 hours earlier we got £2m for Grant to go on top of the £11m for Lookman is criminal. Why let Clarke go when you haven't got his replacement over the line? No you didn't. You said "we had all month to bring in Otzumer". But we didn't did we - because it was reliant on factors 100% out of our control. Same for the lad at Bristol. Before the cunts on 606 get excited, this is not because I think RD is great. It's because it's the facts. You also talk about "Poxy loans" but I think you earlier asked why we didn't just get some loans done like Cullen etc. It was naive to let Grant go before we confirmed a replacement but he was never staying once a Prem club came in and both he and his agent got giddy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 14:02:38 GMT
Bowyer said, “We had identified the best ones out there but we were reliant on the other clubs and unfortunately they had the same problem – they couldn’t release a striker until they had brought one in." If they can hold on to a striker until they find a replacement, why can't we? An honest question - not trying to stir. Because ours only had 6 months on his contract, a large sum was offered, the player decided he wanted to leave and LB prob thought it’d be fine and work out... Its his first Jan transfer window and was caught out. Bet it never happens again but for now it is what it is and have to get on with what we have, or source freebies, which is why I set up the poll...
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 5, 2019 14:29:24 GMT
I said we didn't get him because we left it last minute and relied on other clubs. Fucking about with poxy loans when 48 hours earlier we got £2m for Grant to go on top of the £11m for Lookman is criminal. Why let Clarke go when you haven't got his replacement over the line? No you didn't. You said "we had all month to bring in Otzumer". But we didn't did we - because it was reliant on factors 100% out of our control. Same for the lad at Bristol. Before the cunts on 606 get excited, this is not because I think RD is great. It's because it's the facts. You also talk about "Poxy loans" but I think you earlier asked why we didn't just get some loans done like Cullen etc. It was naive to let Grant go before we confirmed a replacement but he was never staying once a Prem club came in and both he and his agent got giddy. I think you are well off track with your response. It was clear we wanted to let Ajose go, it was clear Billy Clarke didn't feature in Bowyer's plans . and that's well before Huddersfield signed Grant so that's three strikers who we knew we were letting go well in advance of the window closing, fair enough Grant left three days prior to it shutting. Questions therefore need to be asked why other clubs hold onto their players until a replacement comes in but we didn't? That is pure stupidity on every level and I do not believe for a minute Parker was top of any list that existed, he was a signing to save face, based on what he did as a 21 year old in the vicinity of Gallen!! What a kop out, utter bollocks as is taking the fans as mugs hoping they'd see him as a decent signing. Duch-a-twat wants to sell the club so will not be buying players any time soon for cash payments but we are talking players who were surplus to requirements here in Eisa and Otzumer and we DID have all month to bring them in on loan WITHOUT having to rely on their clubs finding replacements. If money was found for Cullen and Bielik then it should have been found for these two but we tried to do it as cheaply as possible and that meant gambling on other clubs recruitment success, like I said it's utter stupidity and has compromised our promotion chances. I would even go as far to say that is has severely weakened our challenge and whereas the play-offs were all but guaranteed before, I can see us having to go to the wire to hang on. To answer your point do you really think Otzumer would have cost that much?
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 5, 2019 14:30:15 GMT
I said we didn't get him because we left it last minute and relied on other clubs. Fucking about with poxy loans when 48 hours earlier we got £2m for Grant to go on top of the £11m for Lookman is criminal. Why let Clarke go when you haven't got his replacement over the line? No you didn't. You said "we had all month to bring in Otzumer". But we didn't did we - because it was reliant on factors 100% out of our control. Same for the lad at Bristol. Before the cunts on 606 get excited, this is not because I think RD is great. It's because it's the facts. You also talk about "Poxy loans" but I think you earlier asked why we didn't just get some loans done like Cullen etc. It was naive to let Grant go before we confirmed a replacement but he was never staying once a Prem club came in and both he and his agent got giddy. I think you are well off track with your response. It was clear we wanted to let Ajose go, it was clear Billy Clarke didn't feature in Bowyer's plans and that's well before Huddersfield signed Grant so that's three strikers who we knew we were letting go well in advance of the window closing, fair enough Grant left three days prior to it shutting. Questions therefore need to be asked why other clubs hold onto their players until a replacement comes in but we didn't? That is pure stupidity on every level and I do not believe for a minute Parker was top of any list that existed, he was a signing to save face, based on what he did as a 21 year old in the vicinity of Gallen!! What a kop out, utter bollocks as is taking the fans as mugs hoping they'd see him as a decent signing. Duch-a-twat wants to sell the club so will not be buying players any time soon for cash payments but we are talking players who were surplus to requirements here in Eisa and Otzumer and we DID have all month to bring them in on loan WITHOUT having to rely on their clubs finding replacements. If money was found for Cullen and Bielik then it should have been found for these two but we tried to do it as cheaply as possible and that meant gambling on other clubs recruitment success, like I said it's utter stupidity and has compromised our promotion chances. I would even go as far to say that is has severely weakened our challenge and whereas the play-offs were all but guaranteed before, I can see us having to go to the wire to hang on. To answer your point do you really think Otzumer would have cost that much?
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 5, 2019 14:31:44 GMT
Bowyer said, “We had identified the best ones out there but we were reliant on the other clubs and unfortunately they had the same problem – they couldn’t release a striker until they had brought one in." If they can hold on to a striker until they find a replacement, why can't we? An honest question - not trying to stir. Because ours only had 6 months on his contract, a large sum was offered, the player decided he wanted to leave and LB prob thought it’d be fine and work out... Its his first Jan transfer window and was caught out. Bet it never happens again but for now it is what it is and have to get on with what we have, or source freebies, which is why I set up the poll... The names on it are a desperate bunch Jeddez, it's a overwhelming no to them all for me, they'll cost us in wages what it would have taken to sign Otzumer on a perm.
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Post by essexaddick on Feb 5, 2019 15:30:48 GMT
Whatever you think of Ajose and Clarke we should have held on to them until we had the replacements. That's what Bolton and Bristol City did and why we ended up with neither of our targets.
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Post by 1978sussex on Feb 5, 2019 15:47:31 GMT
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Post by revilo on Feb 5, 2019 16:33:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 17:39:02 GMT
If all clubs wait to get someone in before releasing a player there will be no loan transfers.
If you need to release players to free up wages to bring someone in you need to do it at the earliest opportunity.
Seems obvious to me.
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Post by willett on Feb 5, 2019 17:45:03 GMT
Transfer Deadline Day hasn't been kind to us in recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 21:36:38 GMT
Transfer Deadline Day hasn't been kind to us in recent years. [br Has it ever?!
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Post by Major on Feb 6, 2019 1:20:02 GMT
Bowyer said, “We had identified the best ones out there but we were reliant on the other clubs and unfortunately they had the same problem – they couldn’t release a striker until they had brought one in." If they can hold on to a striker until they find a replacement, why can't we? An honest question - not trying to stir. Excellent question! Also highlights the constrictions on dealing that Bowyer has to deal with, thanks to you know who. Hard not to be angry at the owner, given what could have been achieved in the market for what would be for him, chump change.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:47:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:56:19 GMT
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Post by 1978sussex on Feb 7, 2019 10:02:19 GMT
Or lee ewrin or anthony stokes
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Post by DFT on Feb 7, 2019 10:21:47 GMT
Portsmouth and Plymouth both trying to sign Joe Mason
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