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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 5:43:47 GMT
people standing shouting in a car park isnt going to sway RD Nor is turning up at the house of Meire's parents in Belgium. What absolutely vile and disgusting behaviour, which brings shame and disgrace on all Charlton supporters. Truly nasty and despicable and CARD needs to disown the culprits fast. In fact, if CARD wants to retain the high moral ground, it should assist the club in identifying the morons who did this and ensuring they are banned from The Valley. Apologies for not responding to this message earlier, I've only just seen it. 'Nasty and despicable' are terms that do not go far enough to describe the actions of these protesters. What have Katrien Meire's parents got to do with anything that is going on at Charlton? What is possibly to be gained by taking the protest to their home and actually speaking face-to-face with her father? What are protesters saying now - we can get to your family?
Sickening. As far as I'm concerned this is worse than breaking some windows or scratching somebody's car. Even a mob breaking into Ducatelet's office doesn't come anywhere near this kind of sick stunt. I'm going to assume that CARD has not issued any statement disowning these people, or offered to help to identify them. This is totally wrong and indefensible, and it is nothing to do with protesting or football. It is utterly unacceptable. Well I'm out. CARD and the rest of the protesters can do what they want. I'm having nothing more to do with it. And this isn't a wind-up either. I mean it.
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Post by 19addickted96 on May 6, 2016 6:59:32 GMT
Nor is turning up at the house of Meire's parents in Belgium. What absolutely vile and disgusting behaviour, which brings shame and disgrace on all Charlton supporters. Truly nasty and despicable and CARD needs to disown the culprits fast. In fact, if CARD wants to retain the high moral ground, it should assist the club in identifying the morons who did this and ensuring they are banned from The Valley. Apologies for not responding to this message earlier, I've only just seen it. 'Nasty and despicable' are terms that do not go far enough to describe the actions of these protesters. What have Katrien Meire's parents got to do with anything that is going on at Charlton? What is possibly to be gained by taking the protest to their home and actually speaking face-to-face with her father? What are protesters saying now - we can get to your family?
Sickening. As far as I'm concerned this is worse than breaking some windows or scratching somebody's car. Even a mob breaking into Ducatelet's office doesn't come anywhere near this kind of sick stunt. I'm going to assume that CARD has not issued any statement disowning these people, or offered to help to identify them. This is totally wrong and indefensible, and it is nothing to do with protesting or football. It is utterly unacceptable. Well I'm out. CARD and the rest of the protesters can do what they want. I'm having nothing more to do with it. And this isn't a wind-up either. I mean it. Firstly , those who went to Belgium aren't 'part of CARD' - so let's not use this as an excuse to have a pop at them! Secondly , the few who went to Belgium did everything peacefully and respectfully- there was no agrees ion or shouting outside people's houses , and when it came to Miere's parents house they simply put leaflets through letterboxes in the neighbourhood! They did the same for miere's parents house and even spoke to her dad - again peacefully and respectfully!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 7:38:59 GMT
Don't try to defend the indefensible. Visiting ("targetting" I think was the word used) her parents house and speaking to "her dad" was not "respectful", it was intimidatory and how you can claim otherwise makes you almost as bad as the cretins who did it. And you say they also leafleted her parents' neighbours, slagging off their daughter? It just gets worse.
And, of course, all these mindless cretins have achieved is to prolong Meire's stay at the Valley. I believe M Duchatalet was ready to move her this summer and she was ready to return to Belgium. That now has to be delayed because the club will be determined to show that it will not be swayed by this kind of bullying of family members who have nothing to do with CAFC and will stand up to such unacceptable harrassment and intimidation.
In case you hadn't noticed, Belgium has been in near-lockdown recently due to terrorist murders. And in that environment of fear and terror, a bunch of strange men turn up at the house of KM's parents demanding to discuss their daughter's welfare? What the hell were they thinking? They must have been completely out of their minds.
CARD needs to disown these hooligans immediately and help the club to identify them so they can be banned.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 8:37:39 GMT
people standing shouting in a car park isnt going to sway RD Nor is turning up at the house of Meire's parents in Belgium. What absolutely vile and disgusting behaviour, which brings shame and disgrace on all Charlton supporters. Truly nasty and despicable and CARD needs to disown the culprits fast. In fact, if CARD wants to retain the high moral ground, it should assist the club in identifying the morons who did this and ensuring they are banned from The Valley. Thought you were at West Ham Nigel ?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 8:57:30 GMT
Not me, mate. I've lived in Kent for more than 60 years! But my son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren live in Stratford and have two WHU season tickets between them. Perhaps you'd like their address so you can go and stalk them?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 9:12:39 GMT
Not me, mate. I've lived in Kent for more than 60 years! But my son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren live in Stratford and have two WHU season tickets between them. Perhaps you'd like their address so you can go and stalk them? why would I want to stalk them ? very odd comment, mind you , I take it your getting on a bit so excused Nigel ... have a nice weekend
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Post by essexaddick on May 6, 2016 11:24:46 GMT
I do not agree with Spouting on much but agree 100% with his post. CARD needs to disown these people immediately. Why would you go to someone's parents house? They have no control on their daughters decisions. And why on earth would the neighbours in a street in a town in Belgium be possibly interested in what is happening to a football club in South London? Whether it was respectful or not is irrelevant.
However, the totally uncalled for comment suggesting that Andy might want to stalk his son and daughter in law, which infers he was one of the protesters in Belgium lets himself down once again.
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Post by seriouslyred on May 6, 2016 14:18:08 GMT
I do not agree with Spouting on much but agree 100% with his post. CARD needs to disown these people immediately. Why would you go to someone's parents house? They have no control on their daughters decisions. And why on earth would the neighbours in a street in a town in Belgium be possibly interested in what is happening to a football club in South London? Whether it was respectful or not is irrelevant. However, the totally uncalled for comment suggesting that Andy might want to stalk his son and daughter in law, which infers he was one of the protesters in Belgium lets himself down once again. CARD have a dilemma. For the Belgium 20 have taken the message to Belgian clubs and have risked arrest to display CARD banners and distribute CARD leaflets. They claim to have been approached by plain clothes police after leafletting M.Duchatelet's neighbours on the first trip. The protest fund has a dilemma - for they helped fund the trip! Only the other day a club sponsor was proud to state that they have donated £1K towards the fund whilst at the same time withdrawing all sponsorship from the club. When posters on here stated that it will be interesting to see what the next few weeks and months bring, I'm not sure they meant how the protest movement shapes up! Oh, and for the avoidance of doubt Airman Brown posted this on 25th April: "Matt Wright and I do media for CARD. Matt's in Bangladesh at present - but still managed to put together some content yesterday. I'm only aware second hand of what's been going on in Belgium. We'd have been happy to help if asked."
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Post by 19addickted96 on May 6, 2016 14:45:31 GMT
I do not agree with Spouting on much but agree 100% with his post. CARD needs to disown these people immediately. Why would you go to someone's parents house? They have no control on their daughters decisions. And why on earth would the neighbours in a street in a town in Belgium be possibly interested in what is happening to a football club in South London? Whether it was respectful or not is irrelevant. However, the totally uncalled for comment suggesting that Andy might want to stalk his son and daughter in law, which infers he was one of the protesters in Belgium lets himself down once again. CARD have a dilemma. For the Belgium 20 have taken the message to Belgian clubs and have risked arrest to display CARD banners and distribute CARD leaflets. They claim to have been approached by plain clothes police after leafletting M.Duchatelet's neighbours on the first trip. The protest fund has a dilemma - for they helped fund the trip! Only the other day a club sponsor was proud to state that they have donated £1K towards the fund whilst at the same time withdrawing all sponsorship from the club. When posters on here stated that it will be interesting to see what the next few weeks and months bring, I'm not sure they meant how the protest movement shapes up! Oh, and for the avoidance of doubt Airman Brown posted this on 25th April: "Matt Wright and I do media for CARD. Matt's in Bangladesh at present - but still managed to put together some content yesterday. I'm only aware second hand of what's been going on in Belgium. We'd have been happy to help if asked." The protest fund DIDNT fund the trip - it paid For the makeshift coffin and some costumes, may have also paid for leaflets! The Belgian 20 isn't part of CARD as you lot keep stating (although one or two are involved with CARD I believe) so let's not use the events in sint truiden to have one over on card or whoever you don't like for whatever reason!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 15:17:13 GMT
who really gives a shit, ban here disown there, what a load of tossers ...
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 15:34:15 GMT
The Belgian 20 isn't part of CARD So who are they, then? The C in CARD stands for Coalition - are you saying this is a freelance bunch of ultras pursuing their own 'edgy' agenda who refuse to join the Coalition and will not submit to even the loosest form of collective discipline? In which case it is even more vital that CARD publicly disassociates itself from this provo wing, bcause they are bringing all Charlton fans into disrepute with their disgusting behaviour. (In fact, there is photograhic evidence that these people have taken CARD materials with them on their raiding parties to Belgium so to claim that they are an entirely independent group who have no association with any other protestors is a little disingenuous.) The leader of the provos who was bragging all over CL about how clever they were in tracking down KM's parents (until he got such a backlash over his behaviour that he now wants the thread deleted) calls himself "The President". Is that a joke? It's a throwback to the hooligan scum gangs that made going to football such a pain in the arse back in the 1960s/1970s.
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Post by funkythings on May 6, 2016 16:12:23 GMT
CARD have nothing to do with those who went to Belgium. Well done for having the intelligence to do something off your own back. Learn from mistakes and go and storm RDs offices.
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Post by 19addickted96 on May 6, 2016 16:23:27 GMT
The Belgian 20 isn't part of CARD So who are they, then? The C in CARD stands for Coalition - are you saying this is a freelance bunch of ultras pursuing their own 'edgy' agenda who refuse to join the Coalition and will not submit to even the loosest form of collective discipline? In which case it is even more vital that CARD publicly disassociates itself from this provo wing, bcause they are bringing all Charlton fans into disrepute with their disgusting behaviour. (In fact, there is photograhic evidence that these people have taken CARD materials with them on their raiding parties to Belgium so to claim that they are an entirely independent group who have no association with any other protestors is a little disingenuous.) The leader of the provos who was bragging all over CL about how clever they were in tracking down KM's parents (until he got such a backlash over his behaviour that he now wants the thread deleted) calls himself "The President". Is that a joke? It's a throwback to the hooligan scum gangs that made going to football such a pain in the arse back in the 1960s/1970s. CARD is an umbrella name for protest groups (think "Christianity" and coming off of it , groups like Catholics and Protestant ) ... The Belgian 20 are a group of more militant supporters like you say but they want to pursue a more hard hitting and militant ways to protest , and due to the nature of this they have been left to do this on their own BUT as it Is a Charlton protest , it comes under the CARD name - an example of this is the Belgian 20 wanted to get tomorrow's game abandoned , whereas the rest of the groups under CARD disagreed and chose to avoid abandonment! It's harsh on the excellent work that the majority of CARD have done , and to let a smaller minority ruin this is crazy so too is using it to have a pop at a group of fans who you have been against before! In regards to handing out CARD branded leaflets - as it they were funded by CARD and that it bates the logo of the umbrella group then why shouldn't it have it?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 17:40:34 GMT
Let's cut through all the crap about whether or not CARD has any connections with the people who went to Belgium and sought out the home of Katrien Meire's parents, or how 'respectfully' they might have behaved.
What those people did is wrong. No ifs or buts, it is wrong on every level. Inexcusable and utterly shameful.
What do Katrien Meire's parents have to do with the protests against Roland Duchatelet?
What possible motive could these protesters have apart from intimidation? Direct intimidation or intimidation by inference, doesn't matter. It is all the same thing.
I can imagine how Ms Meire felt when she heard protesters had been to her parents' home and actually spoke to her father. How would you feel in her place?
Anybody who takes pleasure from imagining her reaction is a sick bastard. Anybody who thinks this kind of tactic is acceptable needs to take a long hard look at themselves and their own values.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 19:02:50 GMT
The Belgian 20 isn't part of CARD So who are they, then? The C in CARD stands for Coalition - are you saying this is a freelance bunch of ultras pursuing their own 'edgy' agenda who refuse to join the Coalition and will not submit to even the loosest form of collective discipline? In which case it is even more vital that CARD publicly disassociates itself from this provo wing, bcause they are bringing all Charlton fans into disrepute with their disgusting behaviour. (In fact, there is photograhic evidence that these people have taken CARD materials with them on their raiding parties to Belgium so to claim that they are an entirely independent group who have no association with any other protestors is a little disingenuous.) The leader of the provos who was bragging all over CL about how clever they were in tracking down KM's parents (until he got such a backlash over his behaviour that he now wants the thread deleted) calls himself "The President". Is that a joke? It's a throwback to the hooligan scum gangs that made going to football such a pain in the arse back in the 1960s/1970s. Who cares Nigel , no one really, its just a past time a bloody football club not a matte of life and death , let it go , the owner will do what he wants Nige !
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 20:29:16 GMT
Let's cut through all the crap about whether or not CARD has any connections with the people who went to Belgium and sought out the home of Katrien Meire's parents, or how 'respectfully' they might have behaved. What those people did is wrong. No ifs or buts, it is wrong on every level. Inexcusable and utterly shameful. What do Katrien Meire's parents have to do with the protests against Roland Duchatelet?
What possible motive could these protesters have apart from intimidation? Direct intimidation or intimidation by inference, doesn't matter. It is all the same thing. I can imagine how Ms Meire felt when she heard protesters had been to her parents' home and actually spoke to her father. How would you feel in her place? Anybody who takes pleasure from imagining her reaction is a sick bastard. Anybody who thinks this kind of tactic is acceptable needs to take a long hard look at themselves and their own values. Well said, lardiman. Andyaddick asks 'who cares?' Every one with a jot of decency and respect for their fellow human beings should care and should join together in condemning this disgusting intimidation. The longer the silence from CARD continues over this , the more discredited they become by the day.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 21:35:26 GMT
Well said, lardiman. Andyaddick asks 'who cares?' Every one with a jot of decency and respect for their fellow human beings should care and should join together in condemning this disgusting intimidation. The longer the silence from CARD continues over this, the more discredited they become by the day. Thank you IA. You and I have many differences of opinion, but like you I cannot believe anybody thinks this kind of thing is OK. My differences of opinion with Duchatelet and Meire have led me to criticize them many times in strong terms, and led me to join protests against the way they are running the Club. But emotional terrorism tactics like this used by so-called Charlton supporters make me ashamed to count myself as such. Seeking out and going to the address of somebody's family members - targeting them - goes way beyond peaceful protest, or even relatively harmless disruption like throwing soft objects onto the pitch. As I have said before I think it even goes beyond other things we thankfully have not yet seen; the random hooliganism and the damage that occurs when angry protests get out of control. It is premeditated intimidation. And if most protesters are happy to ignore it or dismiss it, then I want nothing more to do with them.
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Post by funkythings on May 7, 2016 9:11:51 GMT
Lets not get too melodramatic here. Some people went over to Belgium and spoke to her parents as part of the trip. Seems like it was a good natured chat. No violence ensued, no law broken and to be fair its more than most of the detractors on here have done, which may well be why many are against it.
It will most likely have pissed KM off which Im guessing is the point. Whether or not it proves to be a PR own goal remains to be seen.
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Post by bexleyboy on May 7, 2016 14:49:36 GMT
Once again the protests were let down by a few mindless idiots this afternoon , in the lower north .
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Post by seriouslyred on May 7, 2016 15:25:39 GMT
Once again the protests were let down by a few mindless idiots this afternoon , in the lower north . Yeah, I thought the stewarding today was poor too!
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Post by jonkool on May 7, 2016 15:26:22 GMT
You are a real twat Bexley
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 16:52:18 GMT
I'm in Budapest this weekend so did not see us get on the pitch and let Meire and the apologists see the anger of the fans.
Before a certain poster starts spouting rubbish about the fans and demanding life bans, I will say one thing.
"You are a moron".
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Post by sidcupsid on May 7, 2016 17:03:30 GMT
Once again the protests were let down by a few mindless idiots this afternoon , in the lower north . So what did the 'mindless idiots' do that was so terrible and wrong? I thought they did brilliantly and I also thought the police and stewarding was massive overkill. You would have thought there was a siege on or something. The police especially make me sick .You get burgled tomorrow and they'll say they can't send anyone because there is no one available yet they managed to round up that lot to send to the Valley.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 17:12:47 GMT
Apparently the club knows the identity of the morons who doorstepped KM's parents, so I'd guess they're already banned.
As for the hooligans today, it shouldn't be necessary to ban them because they all claim they're not renewing for next season (although as we all know many of them are hypocritial liars , making KM's economy with the actualite seem positively virtuous in comparison.)
I believe KM was ready to go home to Belgium this summer but RD is now insisting that she stays as he cannot be seen to give in to intimidation. Well done, protestors! Doh...
Nice place, Budapest. If you like goulash and the neo-fascists of Jobbik.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 17:18:09 GMT
Well there was one guy there today who didn't like me protesting and throw a punch at me which missed so he must be as bad as the ones who are protesting
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Post by essexaddick on May 7, 2016 17:27:08 GMT
Spouting, I cannot for the life of me understand how you still defend this regime that has cost us our place in the Championship, appointed 6(soon to be 7) managers in two years and has made this once proud football club the laughing stock of English football. You may be happy with watching the decline. You may be happy just watching Charlton in any division. You may be happy with an owner who never attends a match, has no interest in the football and no ambition for the club. BUT THE VAST MAJORITY ARE NOT.
If Duchatelet can INSIST that Meire stays it shows then that she has no mind of her own and no backbone. If she had she could go whenever she liked.
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Post by squareball on May 7, 2016 17:39:37 GMT
Apologies for not responding to this message earlier, I've only just seen it. 'Nasty and despicable' are terms that do not go far enough to describe the actions of these protesters. What have Katrien Meire's parents got to do with anything that is going on at Charlton? What is possibly to be gained by taking the protest to their home and actually speaking face-to-face with her father? What are protesters saying now - we can get to your family?
Sickening. As far as I'm concerned this is worse than breaking some windows or scratching somebody's car. Even a mob breaking into Ducatelet's office doesn't come anywhere near this kind of sick stunt. I'm going to assume that CARD has not issued any statement disowning these people, or offered to help to identify them. This is totally wrong and indefensible, and it is nothing to do with protesting or football. It is utterly unacceptable. Well I'm out. CARD and the rest of the protesters can do what they want. I'm having nothing more to do with it. And this isn't a wind-up either. I mean it. Firstly , those who went to Belgium aren't 'part of CARD' - so let's not use this as an excuse to have a pop at them! Secondly , the few who went to Belgium did everything peacefully and respectfully- there was no agrees ion or shouting outside people's houses , and when it came to Miere's parents house they simply put leaflets through letterboxes in the neighbourhood! They did the same for miere's parents house and even spoke to her dad - again peacefully and respectfully! What is the matter with you. No washing the hands of responsibility here. This is unbelievable thuggish behaviour which cannot be excused.
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Post by funkythings on May 7, 2016 17:42:20 GMT
Apparently the club knows the identity of the morons who doorstepped KM's parents, so I'd guess they're already banned. As for the hooligans today, it shouldn't be necessary to ban them because they all claim they're not renewing for next season (although as we all know many of them are hypocritial liars , making KM's economy with the actualite seem positively virtuous in comparison.) I believe KM was ready to go home to Belgium this summer but RD is now insisting that she stays as he cannot be seen to give in to intimidation. Well done, protestors! Doh... Nice place, Budapest. If you like goulash and the neo-fascists of Jobbik. So you are that far up the regime's arse but they wont "hire" you? Even for free. Full of shit mate and still pumping out the psuedo political lines for an added air of superiority. Lovely to see. Dont go changing.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 18:22:16 GMT
Priceless. The well that keeps on giving. Just when you think it has run dry, up comes another bucket! lol...
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Post by reamsofverse on May 7, 2016 18:26:07 GMT
Sorry spoutingrubbish you and your cronies must be warped in the head!
Your type are the one's who keep watch for the likes of Murray while he was fingering Meire in the bogs during the second half!
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