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Post by discocafc on Jun 20, 2015 14:33:20 GMT
Gutted that another youth player has left us so early. The last player to ever leave us when he reached his full potential was Scott Parker and that was a controversial move itself, anyway that's another story.
Now I am just about to see whether Liverpool will destroy his career or whether they will handle him properly, only time will tell.
I don't blame Valley Gold members who are thinking on stopping their membership, youth players think far too big these days and don't think out of the box.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 20, 2015 14:42:01 GMT
Valley Gold members considering cancelling their memberships - That really would be very childish and in a word pathetic but some Charlton fans comfortably fit both brackets.
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Post by americanaddick on Jun 20, 2015 14:44:15 GMT
Valley Gold members need to realize that, at the moment, CAFC is a mid table Championship club. We won't be keeping any talented players as long as we are outside the Premier League.
Instead, we will be stuck with "academy aces" like Morgan Fox
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Post by discocafc on Jun 20, 2015 15:06:28 GMT
Valley Gold members need to realize that, at the moment, CAFC is a mid table Championship club. We won't be keeping any talented players as long as we are outside the Premier League. Instead, we will be stuck with "academy aces" like Morgan Fox I disagree, if you look back to the 90's we had players like Lee Bowyer, Scott Minto, Anthony Barness and Robert Lee where we kept them long enough until they did reach their full potential or we desperately have to sell them to gain funds. Its different now as we seem to give in to clubs too easily, you have to look at Birmingham and Derby where they have kept their youth players longer than we have.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 20, 2015 15:13:39 GMT
We sold Scott Parker when we were 4th in the Premier League, that is what you call a major turning point, not selling a 20 year old kit who has played 21 games in the Championship.
There really are some cry babies on Charlton forums at the moment, grown men who need to grow a pair and have a bit of spine.
This is football today like it or lump it, the RD bashing is one major bandwagon at the moment and people need to get a grip.
Birmingham and Derby keeping their youth players??? Really can't think of many apart from Will Hughes but even if they have what good has it done them?
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Post by discocafc on Jun 20, 2015 15:28:16 GMT
We sold Scott Parker when we were 4th in the Premier League, that is what you call a major turning point, not selling a 20 year old kit who has played 21 games in the Championship. There really are some cry babies on Charlton forums at the moment, grown men who need to grow a pair and have a bit of spine. This is football today like it or lump it, the RD bashing is one major bandwagon at the moment and people need to get a grip. Birmingham and Derby keeping their youth players??? Really can't think of many apart from Will Hughes but even if they have what good has it done them? Gray the Birmingham winger is another example, played 48 games and they rejected a 6m offer from Bouremouth. If this was Charlton he would have been gone January. Not bashing RD at all as we have always been like this since we got relegated from the Championship. The only critism I have of RD so far is his choice of manger appointments. Jesus wept Reams, calling fans a cry baby because of how pissed off we are of letting another youth player leave so early. You need to look at yourself in the mirror.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 20, 2015 15:35:38 GMT
Manager appointments? The only bad one was Peeters in my book?
What do you mean 'We let another youth player leave so early'?
Are you so deluded to think that he would have wanted to stay once Liverpool came calling? Once a young head is turned that is the end of it no matter who they are.
Gomez: "Delighted to be joining @lfc ... An amazing club with great players! A dream come true for me. Looking forward to the new challenge".
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 20, 2015 15:47:10 GMT
We sell Yann (32) they moan, we sell Joe (20) they moan, fact is Charlton fans just have to have something to moan about and a scapegoat. It really does amaze me how Duchatelet gets slagged off at every opportunity yet we hardly heard a peep out of them when we had two crooks in charge before him. Of course Charlton fans settled for any old type of nonsense in those days because Powell was in charge and they settled for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 16:33:09 GMT
Congrats to Gomez on what is obviously a great move for him. Hope he does well.
I'm afraid any other reaction than joy for the lad is sour grapes - but then sour grapes seems to be the favourite daily diet of some CAFC fans.
Good luck, Joe.
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Post by seriouslyred on Jun 20, 2015 17:23:51 GMT
We sell Yann (32) they moan, we sell Joe (20) they moan, fact is Charlton fans just have to have something to moan about and a scapegoat. It really does amaze me how Duchatelet gets slagged off at every opportunity yet we hardly heard a peep out of them when we had two crooks in charge before him. Of course Charlton fans settled for any old type of nonsense in those days because Powell was in charge and they settled for that. Whether we get £3.5m or £5m+ upfront it's a great deal and reflects the clubs ability to get him signed up in the first place - very different from Poyet and fortunately many fans see that. The club could say more and keep all informed but a few things spring to mind. 1) The actions of the club and the quality of acquisitions next month says more than any words will. 2) The number of fans moaning publicly is low and these fans will look pretty sheepish should our squad emerge stronger. 3) The club executives are busy and their focus has to be on signing players right now. We should not be asking them to jeopardise deals for the sake of spin and issuing statements mid journey - it's a waste of energy and focus. 4) Valley Gold should be able to spin it's own promotional material. Their £125k per annum contribution to the club has just been leveraged into several million quid - possibly enough to cover club losses for a whole season! I am convinced we are moving back towards the top eight of the Championship and the only question is the pace of that shift and the ability of Luzon and the board to hold it together come rain or shine. On this site we've seen the calibre of players rumoured to be Charlton targets - I can wait and see who lands.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 20, 2015 17:36:50 GMT
We could sign two very good centre backs with what we have received and still have change for a midfielder.
The strikers will enter the equation on what was put aside for them before the Gomez deal.
I am convinced one of the strikers will Guillaume.
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Post by seriouslyred on Jun 20, 2015 17:43:36 GMT
I can't remember the last time we paid a fee for a defender or goalkeeper and I'm not convinced we have to unless they are young and high quality offering a resale value. We have to replace Buyens and get another striker and that will cost serious cash unless we get lucky like we did with Gudmundsson... Or we secure loans.
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Post by discocafc on Jun 20, 2015 18:03:11 GMT
Manager appointments? The only bad one was Peeters in my book? What do you mean 'We let another youth player leave so early'? Are you so deluded to think that he would have wanted to stay once Liverpool came calling? Once a young head is turned that is the end of it no matter who they are. Gomez: "Delighted to be joining @lfc ... An amazing club with great players! A dream come true for me. Looking forward to the new challenge". Riga did a marvellous job for us and RD appointed Peeters instead which I didn't get. He goes and sack Peeters (rightly so in my opinion) then appointed Luzon where he originally sacked him at Leige. I would have rather have a English manager with experience in the League and the jury is still out on Luzon. Gomez left us too soon because he only played half a season with us and still had a lot to improve during his time with us. Had he reached his full potential with us, I would understand but as soon as a young player plays a few games with us where they have a lot of potential they bugger off straight away. Jenkinson was another one of those players that should have stayed with us a lot longer and he did not reach his full potential as Arsenal are looking to offload him. You have to look at players like John Bostock when they think far too ahead of themselves. What players say to their respected clubs is a load of bollocks, remember when Semedo stated his love for Charlton and how much he wants to sign for life then the next week he buggers off to Sheff Wed. I think Gomez stated how much he enjoys playing for Charlton when he signed a deal with us earlier on this year.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 20, 2015 18:11:19 GMT
Manager appointments? The only bad one was Peeters in my book? What do you mean 'We let another youth player leave so early'? Are you so deluded to think that he would have wanted to stay once Liverpool came calling? Once a young head is turned that is the end of it no matter who they are. Gomez: "Delighted to be joining @lfc ... An amazing club with great players! A dream come true for me. Looking forward to the new challenge". Riga did a marvellous job for us and RD appointed Peeters instead which I didn't get. He goes and sack Peeters (rightly so in my opinion) then appointed Luzon where he originally sacked him at Leige. I would have rather have a English manager with experience in the League and the jury is still out on Luzon. Gomez left us too soon because he only played half a season with us and still had a lot to improve during his time with us. Had he reached his full potential with us, I would understand but as soon as a young player plays a few games with us where they have a lot of potential they bugger off straight away. Jenkinson was another one of those players that should have stayed with us a lot longer and he did not reach his full potential as Arsenal are looking to offload him. You have to look at players like John Bostock when they think far too ahead of themselves. What players say to their respected clubs is a load of bollocks, remember when Semedo stated his love for Charlton and how much he wants to sign for life then the next week he buggers off to Sheff Wed. I think Gomez stated how much he enjoys playing for Charlton when he signed a deal with us earlier on this year. The jury is still out Luzon despite him having a better record than Riga? Some jury! If Gomez had not signed that deal we would have got nothing for him just like we got nothing for Poyet. Signing extensions means nothing other than guaranteeing that your club will get a fee for you.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 20, 2015 20:23:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 8:12:01 GMT
Can't help but think this means JBG will also decide to leave. I agree Yep, Gudmundsson said that his future at the club was dictated by what we do this summer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 9:12:57 GMT
It's difficult to know how I feel about this deal until I see how much of the transfer fee is reinvested in our squad. I don't understand how anyone can get too upset that Gomez has been sold, that's only half the story, what RD does with the money will complete the picture.
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Post by trebor400 on Jun 21, 2015 9:48:52 GMT
I was fully prepared for this, soon as I'd seen him play 2/3 times I said to everyone around me a Premiership club would buy him at end of season. When you have a young English player come through who shows that much potential at any club bar top 4 your going to lose him. IMO we would of lost Solly few years ago to a premiership club if not for his knee problems.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 9:54:09 GMT
Yep, Gudmundsson said that his future at the club was dictated by what we do this summer. Yes, so let the summer unfold. The week after next is the crucial week. If it's still unclear what the squad looks like at that point, then I will start to worry.
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Post by ashaddick on Jun 21, 2015 10:13:59 GMT
I was fully prepared for this, soon as I'd seen him play 2/3 times I said to everyone around me a Premiership club would buy him at end of season. When you have a young English player come through who shows that much potential at any club bar top 4 your going to lose him. IMO we would of lost Solly few years ago to a premiership club if not for his knee problems. Agree totally with this....... It's what clubs like ours do and unless we end up one day with an owner with money to burn it is what we must do to survive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 10:14:17 GMT
Yep, Gudmundsson said that his future at the club was dictated by what we do this summer. Yes, so let the summer unfold. The week after next is the crucial week. If it's still unclear what the squad looks like at that point, then I will start to worry. I am already concerned.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 21, 2015 10:20:33 GMT
Why? Have any of the promoted clubs from last season bought players yet?
I have had a good look around other clubs forums today and suggest we should make all Charlton message board members only because it's only our lot getting their knickers in a twist embarrassing themselves.
Standard Liege started training this morning with one new player having seen 4 more leave at the end of last season.
It's not a race FFS!! Any loan players that come in won't do so until we start training for a start.
July 1st is when contracts start so if we haven't signed anybody by the end of that week fair enough but I doubt that very much.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jun 21, 2015 11:20:51 GMT
We could sign two very good centre backs with what we have received and still have change for a midfielder. This is the crucial point for me. If we use the £3.5m now to strengthen with two or three quality players, then it'll be seen as a good bit of business. However, if we pocket £2m and use the rest to sign sub-standard replacements then it will feel pretty gutting.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 21, 2015 11:31:34 GMT
Has anybody thought that the reason £3.5m is being banded about is because that is how much RD wants us to believe we got. If we then go and spend the £3.5m or €4.9 euros on new players nobody can argue that 'all' the money went back into the squad?!
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Post by americanaddick on Jun 21, 2015 13:14:46 GMT
Has anybody thought that the reason £3.5m is being banded about is because that is how much RD wants us to believe we got. If we then go and spend the £3.5m or €4.9 euros on new players nobody can argue that 'all' the money went back into the squad?! One thing I want to add is that people should read Katriens words on the CAFC site. She had nothing but positives to say for Joe and comes across as being happy with the deal. I think the club are happy with what they got. Very different from the Poyet situation. I've thought about it and i'm ok with JBG going, as it would probably get us another £3-4m to spend. We could easily extort that much from a club like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City or Man U.
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Post by cafcforever on Jun 21, 2015 13:28:12 GMT
Good luck Joe Gomez.
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Post by discocafc on Jun 21, 2015 14:59:38 GMT
Riga did a marvellous job for us and RD appointed Peeters instead which I didn't get. He goes and sack Peeters (rightly so in my opinion) then appointed Luzon where he originally sacked him at Leige. I would have rather have a English manager with experience in the League and the jury is still out on Luzon. Gomez left us too soon because he only played half a season with us and still had a lot to improve during his time with us. Had he reached his full potential with us, I would understand but as soon as a young player plays a few games with us where they have a lot of potential they bugger off straight away. Jenkinson was another one of those players that should have stayed with us a lot longer and he did not reach his full potential as Arsenal are looking to offload him. You have to look at players like John Bostock when they think far too ahead of themselves. What players say to their respected clubs is a load of bollocks, remember when Semedo stated his love for Charlton and how much he wants to sign for life then the next week he buggers off to Sheff Wed. I think Gomez stated how much he enjoys playing for Charlton when he signed a deal with us earlier on this year. The jury is still out Luzon despite him having a better record than Riga? Some jury! If Gomez had not signed that deal we would have got nothing for him just like we got nothing for Poyet. Signing extensions means nothing other than guaranteeing that your club will get a fee for you. You can't compare Riga's record with Luzon when Roga had a shittier squad. Jesus Christ, Riga even made Harriot like a star player for us in the end! Gomez signed a 3 year deal and used half a season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 15:08:00 GMT
I like this new "Pant wetting" section...very entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 15:24:51 GMT
Has anybody thought that the reason £3.5m is being banded about is because that is how much RD wants us to believe we got. If we then go and spend the £3.5m or €4.9 euros on new players nobody can argue that 'all' the money went back into the squad?! One thing I want to add is that people should read Katriens words on the CAFC site. She had nothing but positives to say for Joe and comes across as being happy with the deal. I think the club are happy with what they got. Very different from the Poyet situation. I've thought about it and i'm ok with JBG going, as it would probably get us another £3-4m to spend. We could easily extort that much from a club like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City or Man U. Gudmundsson was fantastic for us last season and it would not be very good news him leaving. I'm not so sure that the four clubs you mentioned will be interested in buying him, a club like Stoke or Villa perhaps.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jun 21, 2015 21:44:28 GMT
JBG is the player I want us to keep hold of more than any other. Along with Watt he's our only 'match winner' and probably the most entertaining to watch. He's the only one of our current crop who I think we've got no chance of replacing like-for-like with someone of equal ability.
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