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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 11:44:44 GMT
I have been advising UKIP on parts of their forthcoming Election manifesto, and I can reveal that Nigel Farage and Co will have some interesting things to say about foreigners owning British football clubs. He is personally aware of the ridiculous situation at CAFC. I am hoping that in any post Election coalition negotiations, one of the red lines will be UKIP insisting on the expulsion of foreign owners, setting them all a reasonable deadline to sell our Clubs back to UK ownership. If every foreign owner of a British business was sent packing by NF we'd be seriously in the shit. More worrying is that you are allowed to vote.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 18:33:54 GMT
Does anyone tonight really give a shit about any of this moaning minnie/navel-gazing angst peddled by the three Rs (Razil, Rikofold and Royston) ?
When we're scoring three goals almost every game who give a flying f***?
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 21, 2015 20:22:26 GMT
Most of you on here know I don't get out of my tree very often, reason being, if I think I'm right, I'm happy not to defend what I've said or done. The more you defend your corner, the more it looks like you don't believe in what you're saying. Yep. Less is more. The Trust has a website and the board can write articles and statements on there which can be publicised by email and links to here / CL. Trust board members might think they are engaging fans on message boards but too often it turns into a point scoring contest. We are winning games regularly and the Trust needs to align itself with a winning strategy. It's not up to the club to align itself with the Trust. From some of the comments I have read on here and CL it is very clear that it isn't clear to people what's been going on these last 14 months. I don't have the full picture but if Liege are finishing in their top six after selling €25m of talent and spending just half of that then perhaps some respect is in order.
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Post by razil on Mar 22, 2015 23:36:18 GMT
Perhaps or perhaps responding to the constsnt dog doo peddalled by some who have an agenda of their own
Its the usual ur elitist if you dont, protesting too much if you do
And no kev despite ur repetition a supporters trust shd never be a bilnd cheerleader, thats callled a supporters club
It shd be a principled org that is not afraid to represent fans interests
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 8:24:46 GMT
fed up with winning ? scoring goals ?
Then join the Trust !!! We'll put things right. Agenda,
1. Disengage the current owners and investors. Lets get back the "good ol days" of players, staff and suppliers not being paid, we, The Trust, are fully qualified in "how to run a football club" and will advise the current owners on how to do this and lose millions, we been there before , we now have experienced board members who can advise on "how to fuck things up royally"
2.Get shot of current squad and sign up a few of the darlings from the Spartan league. Proper talent back in the squad, this should see us return to loosing ways less goals less points, and a much lower gate , no season tickets sales and eventual bankruptcy, every ones a winner !!
3.Set up paste table outside ground and tell all and sundry of the evils that lie within the walls of the club, (charge fiver for doing this)
4.Finally the most important task, get in the board room on match days, a free programme, a pint and a sarnie, NOTE, if successful the Trust will invest in a mobile shed to be used as Board room on match days over on Hackney Marshes, cans of larger and Gregs pasties to be provided by Trust, NOTE move to shed due to club know as CAFC being wound up years ago.
Your faithfully, Mr D Doo ,
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 23, 2015 9:57:52 GMT
Perhaps or perhaps responding to the constsnt dog doo peddalled by some who have an agenda of their own Its the usual ur elitist if you dont, protesting too much if you do And no kev despite ur repetition a supporters trust shd never be a bilnd cheerleader, thats callled a supporters club It shd be a principled org that is not afraid to represent fans interests And which part of the fans interests is represented by carrying an interview with an ex-manager which is clearly sympathetic to him and not the club. No hard questions, no thought about why Powell went. Luzon has been in charge five minutes and has won more games (seven) than Powell did in 30! "Oh but he has better players" so where did those players come from? People don't like change, I get that. But CAFC has been going through rapid change and Morrison and Wilson are the latest to feel that with their departures. You don't have to be a cheerleader or a "mindless optimist" to describe and appraise that change...and then explore what happens next. It's plain to see that Cafc is on a relentless course to sign million pound players in an attempt to push up the league and that this leaves the 2012-14 squad further and further behind. If the Trust were interested in finding out what fans think then great but I don't see it asking the right question and, as per the charicature, it is simply aligning itself with those who also live in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 10:20:51 GMT
CAFC's biggest enemy is from within, and that's called nostalgia !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 12:18:45 GMT
Perhaps or perhaps responding to the constsnt dog doo peddalled by some who have an agenda of their own Its the usual ur elitist if you dont, protesting too much if you do And no kev despite ur repetition a supporters trust shd never be a bilnd cheerleader, thats callled a supporters club It shd be a principled org that is not afraid to represent fans interests And which part of the fans interests is represented by carrying an interview with an ex-manager which is clearly sympathetic to him and not the club. No hard questions, no thought about why Powell went. Luzon has been in charge five minutes and has won more games (seven) than Powell did in 30! "Oh but he has better players" so where did those players come from? People don't like change, I get that. But CAFC has been going through rapid change and Morrison and Wilson are the latest to feel that with their departures. You don't have to be a cheerleader or a "mindless optimist" to describe and appraise that change...and then explore what happens next. It's plain to see that Cafc is on a relentless course to sign million pound players in an attempt to push up the league and that this leaves the 2012-14 squad further and further behind. If the Trust were interested in finding out what fans think then great but I don't see it asking the right question and, as per the charicature, it is simply aligning itself with those who also live in the past. Aren't you confusing the fans' interests with the club's there SR? You don't think that it's of interest to the fans that 3 of its previous managers complained of interference and dodgy recruitment, and that one is prepared to say it out loud? Really? The problem with your position, aside from the fact it wavers with every new breath of wind, is that actually Razil was responding to your comment, "We are winning games regularly and the Trust needs to align itself with a winning strategy. It's not up to the club to align itself with the Trust." Of course the second part of that somewhat depends on what the Trust stands for, and as it seeks to assist the club to succeed, preserve the club's identity, etc. - all things RD himself has said he wants - then one might observe it would serve the club very well to understand what that means and benefit from it. But, once again, you fall into the trap of thinking it's just about results for supporters. You can say that as often as you like, it won't make it so. Arsenal really isn't that hard to get to if all you want from football is to see wins every week. There is much more to supporting a club like Charlton, and understanding what that means is absolutely vital. As Spottydog points out, nostalgia ain't what it used to be - but tell me, what is the best predictor of future behaviour? They need to learn what's shaped Charlton over the last 30 years, and use it to enhance their strategy for improvement. In the meantime, the vacuum in that space is still causing at best a stasis for attendances, and season ticket holders continue to stay away despite the good run. Did you see the spaces around the ground again on Saturday? What do you think, 12,000 people actually there? Well that would mean a third of season ticket holders didn't turn up, and despite the good run we had the best part of 1000 tickets sold fewer than at the corresponding fixture in April last season. If the Trust simply followed your example of bending with every change in the wind then accusations of lacking leadership would be absolutely valid. However, you've asked it to lead and it's doing so - that you personally would rather it concentrated on public platitudes is simply a matter of your own personal disagreement. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm delighted that results and performances are looking so good right now. Luzon's made a hugely positive impact to a small but talented squad of players. However, it wasn't appointing Luzon that was ever the issue - it was how it was handled, how supporters were treated and how it arrived at that, all things that don't go away with a few wins.
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Post by browntalk on Mar 23, 2015 12:27:42 GMT
People are complicating this way too much. The key thing is the Supporters' Trust's constitutional objectives, none of which I imagine anyone would view as a bad thing. The approach to achieving them will always invite discussion, but at their heart they are interests that unite all supporters. Therefore the Trust will seek to work towards achieving those objectives regardless of the levels of membership, and in doing so it is trying to represent the uniting interests of all supporters. We often canvas the views of all supporters, through surveys but also through forums, our stall, personal conversations, etc. in order to ensure that we're not way off beam in our approach. However, no organisation can represent the individual views of every single person with an interest. The mature thing would be to recognise the delicacy of balancing consensus and leadership, which can sometimes divide folk - particularly in the detail of the approach and activities involved (which can't always be in the public domain, incidentally). Anyone can join the Trust for what is a nominal fee, and there are benefits both to those people and to the Trust in doing so. Membership strengthens the Trust's ability to achieve its objectives, and by implication that is a wider benefit to non-member supporters who agree with the Trust's objectives. And it's hard to see who would disagree. A lot of discussion on here has been focused on the personality of individuals who most posters have never met, rather than on the aims and objectives for which the Trust exists. If I might draw a comparison, I'm still scratching my head at why someone is ridiculed for setting up a museum. That's to everyone's benefit isn't it? There's a lot of misunderstanding about our objectives too - we're not just here for a crisis. We're here to help the club succeed - that's one of our stated objectives - whilst trying to keep the helpful bits of our identity, something fans have fought for over a long period of time. There's also a lot of mischief making from those who for some reason are opposed to the Trust. I don't really understand this position, because it essentially means that they disagree with those objectives for which the Trust exists. If they don't care, why comment? If we're irrelevant, why bother? If you think what we're doing will achieve the opposite of those objectives then by all means criticise, but be constructive and put a realistic alternative approach. There are usually good reasons why we've opted for the route we have, and our decisions as a board usually come out of strong debate as Barnie will confirm. Where we can we will put those reasons out there, although it's not always possible or sensible to do that. Last year I challenged people to join the Trust and make a difference to it. I took my own advice and stood for election to the Trust board because I wanted to be part of making it work, and helping it achieve its objectives. I'll be judged on the outcome of that, no doubt I'll be judged at every step along the way too - and there will be successes and failures on that journey - but I'm prepared to put myself on the line in this way because I passionately believe that the objectives of the Trust are good and want to play my part in achieving them. I'm doing this in my spare time, as the others are too, for the benefit of the club and for my fellow supporters. If you think that's a bad thing, well I respectfully disagree but you're entitled to your view. Eh yes erm very interesting but my question was about a hypothetical vote on a hypothetical issue? And why won't you let a non trust memeber on your board for total transparency after all that is what you want the directors to do? Still nobody from the trust can answer this for me?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 12:40:08 GMT
it wasn't appointing Luzon that was ever the issue - it was how it was handled, how supporters were treated and how it arrived at that, all things that don't go away with a few wins. If you believe that, you've clearly got far too much time on your hands and can't have anything of genuine concern in your life to worry about. Lucky you! The only "issue" that mattered was appointing the right man. Duchatalet and Meire believed they had the right man; they were in a position to know far better than anyone else and they've been proved right. All else is hand-wringing angst by a bunch of busy bodies. What business is it of you and me how they "arrived" at their decision or how it was "handled"? They own and run the club, they found their man, they gave him the job and he's getting on and doing it pretty darned well regardless of the peevish and irrelevant complaints of you lot (although I don't actually think there are very many of you who think like that) about how he was appointed. Time for you and the other busy bodies to let him get on with it and stop moaning. As for all this doom-mongering about season-tickets, let's just wait and see, eh? My prediction is that the numbers next season will at worst be little different from this season and if the current style of football and run of results continues, the numbers will go up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 12:53:00 GMT
Browntalk, the answer is pretty obvious to be frank. It is a members' society with governing rules. The board cannot appoint from outwith its members even if it wanted to - but I'm not sure why it would want to.
Transparency is achieved through accountability to its members, and regulation of course.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 12:54:21 GMT
Serious question IA - do you expect the majority of those who hold tickets but aren't coming to games to renew?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 12:54:59 GMT
how much is actually taken via season tickets ? would this really worry RD, after all , he has an estimated 500 million euro fortune, surly that generates far far more in interest than season ticket revenue will ever raise at the "RD" Valley ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 12:56:29 GMT
it wasn't appointing Luzon that was ever the issue - it was how it was handled, how supporters were treated and how it arrived at that, all things that don't go away with a few wins. If you believe that, you've clearly got far too much time on your hands and can't have anything of genuine concern in your life to worry about. Lucky you! The only "issue" that mattered was appointing the right man. Duchatalet and Meire believed they had the right man; they were in a position to know far better than anyone else and they've been proved right. All else is hand-wringing angst by a bunch of busy bodies. What business is it of you and me how they "arrived" at their decision or how it was "handled"? They own and run the club, they found their man, they gave him the job and he's getting on and doing it pretty darned well regardless of the peevish and irrelevant complaints of you lot (although I don't actually think there are very many of you who think like that) about how he was appointed. Time for you and the other busy bodies to let him get on with it and stop moaning. As for all this doom-mongering about season-tickets, let's just wait and see, eh? My prediction is that the numbers next season will at worst be little different from this season and if the current style of football and run of results continues, the numbers will go up. shall I remind you of this the next time you slag off Richard Murray for the way he ran the club?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 12:58:49 GMT
how much is actually taken via season tickets ? would this really worry RD, after all , he has an estimated 500 million euro fortune, surly that generates far far more in interest than season ticket revenue will ever raise at the "RD" Valley ? Yes, he does worry about it. And as all his investment is in the form of debt laden on Baton then the club can't really risk losing a tranch of its paying support. Isn't this obvious, seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:02:58 GMT
how much is actually taken via season tickets ? would this really worry RD, after all , he has an estimated 500 million euro fortune, surly that generates far far more in interest than season ticket revenue will ever raise at the "RD" Valley ? Yes, he does worry about it. And as all his investment is in the form of debt laden on Baton then the club can't really risk losing a tranch of its paying support. Isn't this obvious, seriously? No its not "obvious" as, unlike you, I cant read RD's mind. The fact he took on the debt, btw that some deny, tells me that he has bigger balls than both of us and is prepared to take a risk, anyway that's the worry, so now how much ? how many ST's do we sell at an average price of ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:05:13 GMT
Serious question IA - do you expect the majority of those who hold tickets but aren't coming to games to renew? Yes. There have always been plenty of people who purchase season tkts but can't use them every week. In the past when I was doing a lot of overseas travelling there have been seasons when I was only able to use half the tkts in the book. I know it suits you and Royston to claim that there is some kind of mass boycott going on in protest as the way Luzon was appointed or because you don't like the network players or whatever the current whinge of the week is; but there is actually no evidence that the level of s/t absenteeism is particularly higher than usual or any reasearch as to where the holders of empty seats actually were last Sat afternoon and what kept them away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:09:54 GMT
Serious question IA - do you expect the majority of those who hold tickets but aren't coming to games to renew? Yes. There have always been plenty of people who purchase season tkts but can't use them every week. In the past when I was doing a lot of overseas travelling there have been seasons when I was only able to use half the tkts in the book. I know it suits you and Royston to claim that there is some kind of mass boycott going on in protest as the way Luzon was appointed or because you don't like the network players or whatever the current whinge of the week is; but there is actually no evidence that the level of s/t absenteeism is particularly higher than usual or any reasearch as to where the holders of empty seats actually were last Sat afternoon and what kept them away. Just the 18 odd thousand that used to come in the Prem days and STOPPED, football fans are a fickle bunch ! As you correctly point out IA, there is no evidence what so ever of a "boycott", that is unless you take the BS being spewed by the "Trust" as gospel !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:10:10 GMT
If you believe that, you've clearly got far too much time on your hands and can't have anything of genuine concern in your life to worry about. Lucky you! The only "issue" that mattered was appointing the right man. Duchatalet and Meire believed they had the right man; they were in a position to know far better than anyone else and they've been proved right. All else is hand-wringing angst by a bunch of busy bodies. What business is it of you and me how they "arrived" at their decision or how it was "handled"? They own and run the club, they found their man, they gave him the job and he's getting on and doing it pretty darned well regardless of the peevish and irrelevant complaints of you lot (although I don't actually think there are very many of you who think like that) about how he was appointed. Time for you and the other busy bodies to let him get on with it and stop moaning. As for all this doom-mongering about season-tickets, let's just wait and see, eh? My prediction is that the numbers next season will at worst be little different from this season and if the current style of football and run of results continues, the numbers will go up. shall I remind you of this the next time you slag off Richard Murray for the way he ran the club? You really don't get it, do you? Murray appointed Dowie, Reed, Pardew and Parkinson and ran the club into the ground. The new owner has appointed Riga, Peeters and Luzon and is building the club up. Please let him get on with it without all this continuous carping criticism. Keep that for when it's needed and justified. Otherwise you and the Trust are the boy who cried wolf, and when there is some serious cause for concern, you will be powerless to to do anything about it because everyone will have stopped listening to you long ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:34:19 GMT
shall I remind you of this the next time you slag off Richard Murray for the way he ran the club? You really don't get it, do you? Murray appointed Dowie, Reed, Pardew and Parkinson and ran the club into the ground. The new owner has appointed Riga, Peeters and Luzon and is building the club up. Please let him get on with it without all this continuous carping criticism. Keep that for when it's needed and justified. Otherwise you and the Trust are the boy who cried wolf, and when there is some serious cause for concern, you will be powerless to to do anything about it because everyone will have stopped listening to you long ago. edit - does make me laugh , where do you think the 40 YES FORTY million debt came from ? Is that RD's fault ? ........ THUD Is that "ran" it into the ground ? Appointed some of the worst managers in the last decade ? Signed off fees for absolutely SHIT players ? or mabe the selling off of the club to a couple of East End barra boys ? what was it, a QUID it went for with the caveat of them taking on £30 - £40 million quids worth of debt and oh yeah of course, sign this , it means I get my "investment" back if we get promoted , PS , Murray and co "arranged" Baton , ,, jeeezzzzz ! Unless your taking the piss then this is another chip off the ol credibility block !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:37:15 GMT
Bloody hell we finally get an owner with a bit of money behind him and better players then we ever had since the premiership years and he gets dog abuse . He appointed Katrien to run this part of his business where you the trust went wrong is demanding a meeting with RD and in return disrespecting Katrien in the process . What you wanted to ask RD you could of done through her you really have burn't your bridges now .Let them get on with running the club far better business man then any of us
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:37:41 GMT
He may or may not have taken on the debt, which increased by £13.1m on last year's accounts. That will depend on his attitude to it when he eventually sells up. As it stands, it is a debt on the football club to Staprix. What risk is RD himself actually taking on here exactly? Here is New York Addick's take on things financial if you want more detail. IA and Spottydog, the point about Murray is a simple one: it is important that we don't just ignore how the club is being run. And in fact you're not ignoring it yourself if you're forming an opinion that everything in the garden is rosy. I agree, right now things look fairly good - but they did for the first half of Murray's reign as well didn't they? We are certainly financially stable from a cash perspective, but there is a question mark over the level of debt being taken on by the club and how that is disposed of down the line. I believe we have just under 10,000 season ticket holders, which I understand to be the lowest figure since before the Premiership days. Considerably fewer of them are actually in the ground. The Trust has never encouraged a boycott and as I've said many times I'd encourage all season ticket holders to renew. I'm not as confident as IA that 2-3000 people who aren't coming to the games despite having paid for their ticket will stump up next year as well. That's wishful thinking, but we'll see. IA, much as I appreciate the attention, I'm not sure stalking me is good for your health. It might help you to read everything I say rather than taking one or two sentences out of context. You'll be a lot less angry if you do so.
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Post by browntalk on Mar 23, 2015 13:40:57 GMT
Browntalk, the answer is pretty obvious to be frank. It is a members' society with governing rules. The board cannot appoint from outwith its members even if it wanted to - but I'm not sure why it would want to. Transparency is achieved through accountability to its members, and regulation of course. So you say its pretty obvious? So why do the trust expect A non paying, non elected trust member to sit with the real board of directors? And you tight wads won't drop a fiver to let a non paying, non trust member sit on your board? arrogant and very hypocritical! So You have no accountability to cafc fans just trust fans? So how does that sit alongside the trust mandate 'to preserve cafc for future generations of cafc fans' particularly as you cannot even tell me how your voting process works?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:44:45 GMT
Bloody hell we finally get an owner with a bit of money behind him and better players then we ever had since the premiership years and he gets dog abuse . He appointed Katrien to run this part of his business where you the trust went wrong is demanding a meeting with RD and in return disrespecting Katrien in the process . What you wanted to ask RD you could of done through her you really have burn't your bridges now .Let them get on with running the club far better business man then any of us Well you'd have to assume that the Supporters' Trust did actually try to go over her head, but for the sake of argument let's assume that to be true. Have you missed the various attempts for constructive dialogue offered to KM over the preceding months?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:51:04 GMT
Browntalk, the answer is pretty obvious to be frank. It is a members' society with governing rules. The board cannot appoint from outwith its members even if it wanted to - but I'm not sure why it would want to. Transparency is achieved through accountability to its members, and regulation of course. So you say its pretty obvious? So why do the trust expect A non paying, non elected trust member to sit with the real board of directors? And you tight wads won't drop a fiver to let a non paying, non trust member sit on your board? arrogant and very hypocritical! So You have no accountability to cafc fans just trust fans? So how does that sit alongside the trust mandate 'to preserve cafc for future generations of cafc fans' particularly as you cannot even tell me how your voting process works? I think you're tying yourself in knots trying to be clever. - When did the Supporters' Trust ask for a seat on the club board?
- When did the football club become a members' society?
- Why is asking for a conversation a problem for anyone?
- Board members of societies such as the Supporters' Trust are formally Directors accountable to the FCA. We are not permitted to allow non-members to stand for the board.
- We make so much of what we do public because we see an accountability to all fans. However, as they pay for their membership of course members have a priority status in the organisation.
- I have explained the voting process numerous times, and our rules are published - with public access - to anyone that wants to read them on our website.
I'd suggest doing a little more reading and understanding before trying again.
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 23, 2015 13:51:59 GMT
Rikofold - sure player recruitment is really shite! It's so bad that we are currently watching the best front six at CAFC since we dropped out of the FAPL. And just one of them, Cousins came with the club which M.Duchatelet acquired 15 months ago. So we've acquired Bulot, Buyens, Gudmundsson, Watt and Vetokele in the last nine months and are scoring three goals virtually every game - now I see the problem!
I keep writing it and you keep dismissing it as unimportant but the players, performances and results are streets ahead of last season. We are on course for a play-off challenge next season and our eventual success is dependant upon: 1) player retention 2) player and squad development 3) new talent acquisition 4) luck! Although I've not seen any games this season decided on luck
All the rest is noise! And campaigning for fan involvement based on a critique of some fairly precise decision making isn't going to get you anywhere.
Coming on here stating that the football isn't important is you having a laugh, isn't it?!
Your issue is that you want to back losing coaches and think M.Duchatelet should do the same and throw money at them. Fortunately for him and our club, he prefers to sack the coach concerned and back the replacement. He's one step ahead and that augurs well for next season.
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Post by browntalk on Mar 23, 2015 13:52:28 GMT
Bloody hell we finally get an owner with a bit of money behind him and better players then we ever had since the premiership years and he gets dog abuse . He appointed Katrien to run this part of his business where you the trust went wrong is demanding a meeting with RD and in return disrespecting Katrien in the process . What you wanted to ask RD you could of done through her you really have burn't your bridges now .Let them get on with running the club far better business man then any of us Well you'd have to assume that the Supporters' Trust did actually try to go over her head, but for the sake of argument let's assume that to be true. Have you missed the various attempts for constructive dialogue offered to KM over the preceding months? She fucking hates you lot - can't you see that? You can't even pull the wool over our eyes let alone a multimillion businessman and his legal adviser? You might have got 1000 dummies to hand over a fiver but really you think you have to say anything they want to hear?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:56:22 GMT
@incorruptibleaddick One of your many bad habits, along with rank dishonesty and political correctness, is misrepresenting people who disagree with you. Before 6 wins in 8 games leads you to burst open your flies in celebration, have a read at this new comment from Rick Everitt, which makes rather sobering reading even for a Duchalista Ra- Ra Boy like your good self. Sums paid to third parties to acquire a business are not investment in the business, in my view. Regardless of the merits and of his motives, RD is loading the club and its parent company with debt - some £28.5m was due to Staprix last June, and it will be a great deal more by this June (a big chunk is the debt incurred under Slater/Jimenez or bank loans being paid down). Unlike the previous ownership he is charging interest on that money, albeit some of it is not on the football club books but only appears in the parent company's (Baton 2010 Ltd) and that it is only at 3 per cent.
Now, whatever you think of Rick, and personally, despite his faults, I think rather more of him than I do of you, he does know what he is talking about where the old CAFC finances are concerned. He put his medals on the table in 1985 so to speak. He doesn't concoct tales about meetings outside the karzis, or feign jubilation when a team full of overseas tat we don't even own wins a couple of games. And the picture he paints is rather less than the Garden of Eden that deluded wallies like you are gushing over. P.S @incorruptibleaddick I found a lovely picture of you.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 14:01:49 GMT
Rikofold - sure player recruitment is really shite! It's so bad that we are currently watching the best front six at CAFC since we dropped out of the FAPL. And just one of them, Cousins came with the club which M.Duchatelet acquired 15 months ago. So we've acquired Bulot, Buyens, Gudmundsson, Watt and Vetokele in the last nine months and are scoring three goals virtually every game - now I see the problem! I keep writing it and you keep dismissing it as unimportant but the players, performances and results are streets ahead of last season. We are on course for a play-off challenge next season and our eventual success is dependant upon: 1) player retention 2) player and squad development 3) new talent acquisition 4) luck! Although I've not seen any games this season decided on luck All the rest is noise! And campaigning for fan involvement based on a critique of some fairly precise decision making isn't going to get you anywhere. Coming on here stating that the football isn't important is you having a laugh, isn't it?! Your issue is that you want to back losing coaches and think M.Duchatelet should do the same and throw money at them. Fortunately for him and our club, he prefers to sack the coach concerned and back the replacement. He's one step ahead and that augurs well for next season. Oh Kevin, come on. You can do better than that - I'm not saying the football or results aren't important, I'm saying they are not the only reason people support Charlton. If you think anything other than results is noise, then aren't you as plastic as all the glory boys supporting prem clubs? In terms of recruitment, KM herself said she had to persuade RD to bring in Eagles, Johnson and Diarra - all of whom started on Saturday - and she herself has stated the club has made mistakes. Peeters complained that until then his and Chapple's pleas to get Championship experienced players into the squad fell on deaf ears. Maybe they've learned the lessons, but it's only a few weeks back that we were a couple of places above the relegation zone. You can shout how you know what I want all you like, it doesn't make it so. You claim to know exactly what RD wants - well you're one step ahead of KM if that's the case, as she told Bromley Addicks. If he's really one step ahead, explain Peeters. You told us he was a strategic appointment - which looks a bit of a silly claim now, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 14:02:09 GMT
As SR says, there's a plan, we're on target and the rest is noise.
Empty vessels not only make most noise but they never know when to shut up.
The Trust has lost all credibility and its quarrelsome mouthpieces don't seem to understand that a period of silence rather then keeping up a constant, carping running commentary of vexatious whingeing and moaning is required before they can even try to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of loyal supporters.
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