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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 20:59:44 GMT
They even admitted the misjudge the quality of the Championship when they took over .Rather have the quality of players we got know rather then the likes of Pritchard .Was anyone moaning when we had the likes of Claus Jenson ,Fish ,Smertin when we was in the Premiership. Let them run the football club they have made mistakes but so did one Richard Murray
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 18, 2015 21:19:41 GMT
Of course mistakes have been made - the current owners would be the first to admit that. It's been a steep learning curve for them "for sure". But you need to look at where we are now against where we could have been had they not come in. There's really no comparison. For the first time in a long time we can look forward to a better future with CAFC. Yet another white supremacist politician eh Royston. Ian Smith instigator of the Rhodesian Front. See you got ripped apart by a 17 year old the other day (well done 101). He said a lot of things that maybe us older posters felt, but didn't want to put in print. How long are you going to let him put across his political agenda on here Reams? It really isn't the place. His Doctor has requested that I allow him to continue to post on here as he fears that if he has no outlet in life where he can spend his time during the day, it may result in self harming!! Besides if it wasn't for him and his 3 or 4 mates from Not606 on here we'd have nobody to laugh at!!
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Post by webbo on Mar 18, 2015 21:21:26 GMT
Final paragraph, "here here sir". I take it you don't bother looking for our results anymore then webbo because your posts are referring to the days when we were shit! Had a poor manager, a poor side. We have being improving as a club from the day Powell was sacked and from the moment RD and KM realised that the early network signings were not good enough. Hamer and Morrison would get nowhere near the squad we have today so what's your point? My point is that the current regime were working against the manager. They ought to have dismissed him instead of creating the turmoil. The interview in the Trust magazine from puts the actions of the regime at the time in a poor light, but they feel disrespected by the Trust and make the Trust the issue (or that's how some see things) rather than the disrespectful way they treated Powell. This is not an obsession about Powell but a comment on KM and RD and their own disrespectful behaviour at the time. Why does that mean I don't look at results now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 21:28:27 GMT
Not that he had any choice but to honour it. Hardly altruism or generosity. That's why I used the word 'obligation', rik; nobody mentioned generosity or altruism , as you put up yet more smokescreens to dodge my questions. Let me repeat them again because three times now you have declined to give us a proper answer. Baased on your last dissembling non-response: 1) " The consensus of the public meeting was to seek dialogue with the owner; she's since said she's the sole conduit to him." Well yes, so pray continue and give us a straight answer to the question. Does that mean that the Trust has now accepted Meire as the legitimate authority with whom it should treat and the Trust chairman has abandoned his plan, divulged to the BBC, to visit RD in Belgium ? 2). "We've consistently sought conversation with her, the club, the board. We've done so extremely respectfully. " You can repeat that until you are red in the face but KM doesn't agree; she told Bromley Addicks she feels "disrespected" by the Trust. Therefore you have a problem and so I repeat: has the Trust contacted Meire to apologise if she feels she has been disrespected, and to assure her that no such slight was intended? If you haven't, do you not think it would be sensible diplomacy to do so? If you want to respond that it's confidential Trust business and that's why you can't answer, then say so. But stop ducking and diving! I'm not ducking and diving, but I'm not prepared to answer in the unqualified way you want. Like I said, there's no way to answer that will satisfy you. We've said more than enough, and I'm really not going to get drawn into "he said she said" playground stuff.
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Post by addickted on Mar 18, 2015 21:37:00 GMT
IA - Yet another one of your theories that contains more gaps than the Maginot Line. Sorry to be a pedant, but there were no gaps in the Maginot Line. the Germans just went round the side of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 21:39:49 GMT
the disrespectful way they treated Powell. This is not an obsession about Powell but a comment on KM and RD and their own disrespectful behaviour at the time. Now you are attempting to rewrite history. 'They' didn't "work against him", as you claim. He was generously given every chance to show he was the man to keep us up. 'They' kept him on for weeks and asked him to show even a glimmer of evidence that as the man who got us into the relegation mess, he was the man to get us out of it . Sadly he couldn't turn it round and we just got worse; so he was paid off with a sizeable sum of money. Where is the 'disrespect' in that? I would not have been so patient and would have had Riga in from day one. And the minute Riga came in, of course, the results changed and we started playing better football with exactly the same squad of players, so smart decision which we can agree should have been taklen earlier. But it's history, so who cares? You could ague that Jimmy Seed was disrespected (sacked and went to Millwall). You could argue that Murray disrespected Curbishley over his contract at the end. But what's the point? And how many seasons are people like you going to harbour a grievance and resentfully skulk around muttering 'Anil whatever-his-ruddy-name-was', as if that proves that we need to get the Johnny Foreigners out of 'our' club? It's pathetic.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 18, 2015 21:41:40 GMT
But Powell wasn't treated disrespectfully mate he had us playing bog standard football that took us to the bottom of the league, he could and should have resigned but wanted the pay off so dug his heels in. RD gave him the option of leaving with his CV intact but he chose not to and at that point RD decided to make things difficult which he was entitled to do as his boss, reputations in the game mean nothing, RD and KM didn't care about Powell's CAFC history or the fact that he played for England, their only interests were the best interests for the club and Powell didn't feature in their plans.
The TRUST only ever had one intention with that interview which was to paint the owners in a bad light which they managed to do but then wonder why the club won't engage with them.
The change in personnel at the TRUST is a direct result of the interview that backfired and appointing somebody who went public straight away was another major own goal.
Duncan Norvelle has more chance of landing the role as William Wallace in Braveheart 2 than what Steve Clarke has of sitting down with Roland Duchatelet!!!
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Post by webbo on Mar 18, 2015 22:01:33 GMT
Incorruptible, you say 'people like me' as if you know me, but you don't so trying to second guess what I am like or what I think is based on very little. Reams have you read the interview? The new regime wanted what the manager couldn't do, and instead of making a clean and decent break, they fiddled about, found they could hardly sack him during the cup run, so undermined him in the meantime. To me that seems disrespectful, yet now we hear it matters that respect is shown.
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Post by squareball on Mar 18, 2015 22:01:44 GMT
I take it you don't bother looking for our results anymore then webbo because your posts are referring to the days when we were shit! Had a poor manager, a poor side. We have being improving as a club from the day Powell was sacked and from the moment RD and KM realised that the early network signings were not good enough. Hamer and Morrison would get nowhere near the squad we have today so what's your point? My point is that the current regime were working against the manager. They ought to have dismissed him instead of creating the turmoil. The interview in the Trust magazine from puts the actions of the regime at the time in a poor light, but they feel disrespected by the Trust and make the Trust the issue (or that's how some see things) rather than the disrespectful way they treated Powell. This is not an obsession about Powell but a comment on KM and RD and their own disrespectful behaviour at the time. Why does that mean I don't look at results now? I agree that they should have dismissed Powell at the outset but can you imagine the carnage if they did. We all saw what happened when he eventually got fired. My guess is the regime felt the need to give Powell a chance to get fans on board but with no intention of keeping him. Firing the local hero on day one would have been massively destructive for us all, more than it turned out to be at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 22:03:22 GMT
That's why I used the word 'obligation', rik; nobody mentioned generosity or altruism , as you put up yet more smokescreens to dodge my questions. Let me repeat them again because three times now you have declined to give us a proper answer. Baased on your last dissembling non-response: 1) " The consensus of the public meeting was to seek dialogue with the owner; she's since said she's the sole conduit to him." Well yes, so pray continue and give us a straight answer to the question. Does that mean that the Trust has now accepted Meire as the legitimate authority with whom it should treat and the Trust chairman has abandoned his plan, divulged to the BBC, to visit RD in Belgium ? 2). "We've consistently sought conversation with her, the club, the board. We've done so extremely respectfully. " You can repeat that until you are red in the face but KM doesn't agree; she told Bromley Addicks she feels "disrespected" by the Trust. Therefore you have a problem and so I repeat: has the Trust contacted Meire to apologise if she feels she has been disrespected, and to assure her that no such slight was intended? If you haven't, do you not think it would be sensible diplomacy to do so? If you want to respond that it's confidential Trust business and that's why you can't answer, then say so. But stop ducking and diving! I'm not ducking and diving, but I'm not prepared to answer in the unqualified way you want. Like I said, there's no way to answer that will satisfy you. We've said more than enough, and I'm really not going to get drawn into "he said she said" playground stuff. Well there we have it. The Trust has said "more than enough" about how it intends to pursue dialogue on behalf of the rest of us. What arrogant presumption! We are not allowed even to know whether they are still seeking that dialogue wth Duchatalet or have now switched their attention to securing a meeting with Miere. Nor are we permitted to know whether they are prepared to apologise to Katrien over her perception that the Trust has disrespected her. Actually, it's not just Katrien; the Trust have now disrespected every CAFC supporter outside their self-serving inner circle. Thanks for clearing that up, Rik. I can now come off the fence and say that the Trust are - as others have already suggested - a bunch of self-important elitists who regard ordinary supporters with utter contempt. In the light of Rik's comments, I would urge every single CAFC supporter to tell the Trust 'not in my name' and to have absolutely nothing to do with them. And I'd urge Meire and Duchatalet to tell them to do one, too. Not that they need any such prompting from me; the Trust has behaved so idiotically that it has no chance of ever being allowed through their door. They've told us mere plebs "more than enough" apparently, so let's just forget about the untrustworthy Charlton Athletic Self-serving Trust. They have nothing constructive to offer the club or its supporters. The sooner the Trust is consigned to the dustbin of history the better. The future of CAFC will be much brighter without them.
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Post by squareball on Mar 18, 2015 22:24:24 GMT
Hands up. I may have got the Steves mixed up so my apologies to the outgoing chair and good luck to the new one. A coalition is still representing the majority:) Ha, yes that's one way of looking at it. Another is 64% didn't want the Tories, and 77% didn't want the Liberals. :-) Actually they're representing all of us, but we don't all like it. :-D Haha . What I see is 36% wanted the tories and 23% wanted the liberals so 57% got some return , a majority . It isn't always a hung parliament though. But my point was we got a chance to vote , maybe not getting what we wanted but at least we had that vote.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 23:19:01 GMT
Hands up. I may have got the Steves mixed up so my apologies to the outgoing chair and good luck to the new one. A coalition is still representing the majority:) Ha, yes that's one way of looking at it. Another is 64% didn't want the Tories, and 77% didn't want the Liberals. :-) Actually they're representing all of us, but we don't all like it. :-D yhea, wish we had that party that took us to an illegal war and dragged the country to its knees, really reaping the benefits of Tony the Pony and Gordon the Gold seller !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 23:26:22 GMT
Incorruptible, you say 'people like me' as if you know me, but you don't so trying to second guess what I am like or what I think is based on very little. Reams have you read the interview? The new regime wanted what the manager couldn't do, and instead of making a clean and decent break, they fiddled about, found they could hardly sack him during the cup run, so undermined him in the meantime. To me that seems disrespectful, yet now we hear it matters that respect is shown. grow up , this happens all the time in football, Sat 5:45, chairman says we have 100% faith on XYZ McManager, Sunday / Monday hes gone ! respect left football in one of cloughies brown envelopes !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 23:30:38 GMT
Ha, yes that's one way of looking at it. Another is 64% didn't want the Tories, and 77% didn't want the Liberals. :-) Actually they're representing all of us, but we don't all like it. :-D Haha . What I see is 36% wanted the tories and 23% wanted the liberals so 57% got some return , a majority . It isn't always a hung parliament though. But my point was we got a chance to vote , maybe not getting what we wanted but at least we had that vote. most of parliament should be hung , starting with Abbot ( www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/8994525/Diane-Abbott-apologises-for-divide-and-rule-Twitter-comments.html ) , Straw , Brown , most of Rotherham's bench, a special honor goes to Blair for scandalous achievements
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Post by webbo on Mar 18, 2015 23:39:09 GMT
Incorruptible, you say 'people like me' as if you know me, but you don't so trying to second guess what I am like or what I think is based on very little. Reams have you read the interview? The new regime wanted what the manager couldn't do, and instead of making a clean and decent break, they fiddled about, found they could hardly sack him during the cup run, so undermined him in the meantime. To me that seems disrespectful, yet now we hear it matters that respect is shown. grow up , this happens all the time in football, Sat 5:45, chairman says we have 100% faith on XYZ McManager, Sunday / Monday hes gone ! respect left football in one of cloughies brown envelopes ! Exactly, so KM going all red herring about Trust respect or disrespect is a distraction to looking at what's happening. Anyway you're telling me to 'grow up' like you're positioning yourself as some kind of superior being. What will you demand next, due deference from the pleb?
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Post by razil on Mar 19, 2015 0:04:47 GMT
I'm not ducking and diving, but I'm not prepared to answer in the unqualified way you want. Like I said, there's no way to answer that will satisfy you. We've said more than enough, and I'm really not going to get drawn into "he said she said" playground stuff. Well there we have it. The Trust has said "more than enough" about how it intends to pursue dialogue on behalf of the rest of us. What arrogant presumption! We are not allowed even to know whether they are still seeking that dialogue wth Duchatalet or have now switched their attention to securing a meeting with Miere. Nor are we permitted to know whether they are prepared to apologise to Katrien over her perception that the Trust has disrespected her. Actually, it's not just Katrien; the Trust have now disrespected every CAFC supporter outside their self-serving inner circle. Thanks for clearing that up, Rik. I can now come off the fence and say that the Trust are - as others have already suggested - a bunch of self-important elitists who regard ordinary supporters with utter contempt. In the light of Rik's comments, I would urge every single CAFC supporter to tell the Trust 'not in my name' and to have absolutely nothing to do with them. And I'd urge Meire and Duchatalet to tell them to do one, too. Not that they need any such prompting from me; the Trust has behaved so idiotically that it has no chance of ever being allowed through their door. They've told us mere plebs "more than enough" apparently, so let's just forget about the untrustworthy Charlton Athletic Self-serving Trust. They have nothing constructive to offer the club or its supporters. The sooner the Trust is consigned to the dustbin of history the better. The future of CAFC will be much brighter without them. i dont recall u being on the fence I am not altogether clear why KM is offended, after all the first approach was made to her and declined. If km has been offended by something innappropriate done on my watch so to speak I am more than happy to apologise for that because it was never my intention to do that. Regarding some of the other comments i think the Trust has provided a 'platform' for a wide range of views including the meeting which was accompanied by a survey that anyone could complete. The meeting was called amid concenrs about the future of the club which at that point wasnt looking great, and the club had refused to talk to us about. Its interesting what views you hear when a meeting isnt precribed and controlled, most mainly showed concern and wanted dialogue. In terms of content we have also carried articles/interviews by KM, RM several times and of course phil Chapple so to say we are constantly carrying negative content is simply wrong I would love to promote season ticket sales and if look back over the time the trust has been in existence, that has been the case. I wasnt able to last season as much as I'd have liked to because engagement had gone to zero and aside from a fudged attenpt by Ben Kensell at consultation. The removal of universal kids pricng really stuck in the throat, anyway I think we did in the end run something on the 150 tickets in TNT. Very glad to see they have now dropped prices back to a universal 50 quid for kids, and extended the cheap tickets to new blocks both of which I have argued for strongly R
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 0:49:12 GMT
This thread has more grey areas than my pubes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 2:05:04 GMT
But Powell wasn't treated disrespectfully mate he had us playing bog standard football that took us to the bottom of the league, he could and should have resigned but wanted the pay off so dug his heels in. RD gave him the option of leaving with his CV intact but he chose not to and at that point RD decided to make things difficult which he was entitled to do as his boss, reputations in the game mean nothing, RD and KM didn't care about Powell's CAFC history or the fact that he played for England, their only interests were the best interests for the club and Powell didn't feature in their plans. The TRUST only ever had one intention with that interview which was to paint the owners in a bad light which they managed to do but then wonder why the club won't engage with them. The change in personnel at the TRUST is a direct result of the interview that backfired and appointing somebody who went public straight away was another major own goal. Duncan Norvelle has more chance of landing the role as William Wallace in Braveheart 2 than what Steve Clarke has of sitting down with Roland Duchatelet!!! Sorry to piss on your parade but this is utter fiction, at least about the Supporters Trust. Basic maths is a bit of a clue to the second part. We ran the Powell interview as was because we felt supporters would want to read it. That's it. We'd have been criticised just as much if we'd presented just the nice fluffy bits whilst the SLP and Standard ran their stories. Barnie's resignation had nothing at all to do with the Powell interview - the timing doesn't even begin to work. Steve "went public" as he was the board's choice to front the BBC interview for the public meeting. Over a week in advance of publishing the Powell interview. Sorry to let the facts get in the way of a tasty bit of vitriol mate. And whilst I'm on - "move on"? Are you for real? You started this and countless other Powell threads. What did you expect to happen?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 2:18:11 GMT
Incorruptible, the answers are on our website if you weren't too lazy to read them - although this thread has shown you're really not alone to be fair. I'd suggest you go do some reading.
If you expect us to lay out every detail of everything we do you're going to be disappointed though. Well you won't be because it will be yet another stick to beat the Trust with. I'm really not going to waste my time getting drawn deeper into your playground games mate. At least Royston offers a degree of sophistication to his.
I can look in the mirror in the morning and know I'm doing my best for our members, our constitutional objectives and our supporters. I'm doing it all in my spare time as well, which my partner and 2 month old daughter don't always appreciate. I know the other board members are doing the same, and trust me no one could have worked harder than Barnie did, at much bigger personal cost than gain whatever rhetoric is today's favourite serving.
Tell me, what are you doing to make a difference? Because the style of fence sitting you appear to be doing is to get a better vantage point from which to throw your mud.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 7:10:48 GMT
Of course mistakes have been made - the current owners would be the first to admit that. It's been a steep learning curve for them "for sure". But you need to look at where we are now against where we could have been had they not come in. There's really no comparison. For the first time in a long time we can look forward to a better future with CAFC. Yet another white supremacist politician eh Royston. Ian Smith instigator of the Rhodesian Front. See you got ripped apart by a 17 year old the other day (well done 101). He said a lot of things that maybe us older posters felt, but didn't want to put in print. How long are you going to let him put across his political agenda on here Reams? It really isn't the place. I must have missed the "ripped apart" bit Cants? I do recall a teenage scribbler posting a load of abuse about a subject ( mass immigration) he learned about via reading the Daily Mirror, but "ripped apart" ? ....no.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 7:15:44 GMT
Incorruptible, you say 'people like me' as if you know me, but you don't so trying to second guess what I am like or what I think is based on very little. Reams have you read the interview? The new regime wanted what the manager couldn't do, and instead of making a clean and decent break, they fiddled about, found they could hardly sack him during the cup run, so undermined him in the meantime. To me that seems disrespectful, yet now we hear it matters that respect is shown. webboYou should know by now that Reams has a sort of a la carte definition of respect, depending on who he has tried to butter up in the week previous. You can guarantee that if he bumped into Sir Chris Powell in his local Wrexham Lidls, he would post ten threads eulogising about Powell's record, whilst threatening a new form of water boarding for anyone who demurs from this view. #MrConsistent
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 7:20:37 GMT
After I have pressed the 'post quick reply' for this message can the name Chris Powell be banned, or each time it is used £10 must be forwarded to any given charity we nominate.
And now I'm going to press the button................
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 8:29:02 GMT
Incorruptible, you say 'people like me' as if you know me, but you don't so trying to second guess what I am like or what I think is based on very little. Reams have you read the interview? The new regime wanted what the manager couldn't do, and instead of making a clean and decent break, they fiddled about, found they could hardly sack him during the cup run, so undermined him in the meantime. To me that seems disrespectful, yet now we hear it matters that respect is shown. webboYou should know by now that Reams has a sort of a la carte definition of respect, depending on who he has tried to butter up in the week previous. You can guarantee that if he bumped into Sir Chris Powell in his local Wrexham Lidls, he would post ten threads eulogising about Powell's record, whilst threatening a new form of water boarding for anyone who demurs from this view. #MrConsistent TBH mate, I think you starting to piss everyone of now, give a rest for a while, its getting boring.
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 19, 2015 8:30:25 GMT
People go on about the Powell interview. People go on about the Trust and pick over it's behaviour in detail including publishing the interview. KM goes on about feeling disrespected. It is easy for KM and others to go on about all this stuff because it deflects attention away from the content of the Powell interview which is one of the most interesting things in all this, and is being overlooked. From memory Powell basically said his hands were tied, the new regime came in purportedly to support him and undermined him instead. Players turning up unannounced, being told Chris Solly was no good, the Alnwick stuff....there is other stuff I can't remember right now. All pretty damning of the behaviour of the regime at that time, and it perfectly suits KM to make it about antagonism from the Trust so as people forget the real things like Anil Koc being foisted on the club, and players like Hamer and Morrison being marginalised. Indeed! M.Duchatelet could have turned up and injected millions into the squad to ensure survival for the club and for Powell. But he didn't and people can speculate as to why not. And whether that was the right thing to do. We are where we are and I really think it best we focus on today's questions like will anyone be sold this summer to reduce losses? And will the squad be improved for 2015-16?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 8:54:04 GMT
If you expect us to lay out every detail of everything we do you're going to be disappointed though. Well you won't be because it will be yet another stick to beat the Trust with. I'm really not going to waste my time getting drawn deeper into your playground games mate. There he goes again, twisting and turning! Nobody asked for every detail; you were asked two very specific questions (which are not answered on your website). You refused to answer and gave us a lot of weasel words; razil has now come forward and answered one of the questions for you by saying he is prepared to apologise to Miere if the Trust has inadvertently offended or disrespected her. Thats's imple, sensible diplomacy and that is hadn't been down before now is indicative of the Trust's political naivete. The "playground games" comment really betrays the true attitude of the Trust. These self-important ninnnies think they are a bunch of school prefects whose job it is to boss around the rest of us like children. Your naivete is as breathtaking as your arrogance, rik. You and the Trust are out of your depth, not waving but drowning and you don't deserve a lifeboat. I'd urge every Charlton supporter to boycott the Trust and save their fiver. These elitists do not represent the majority of us, they display arrogant contempt for ordinary fans and they serve no purpose as they have so alienated the board that it refuses to have anything more to do with them. So should we. I , for one, am removing my name from the Trust's e-mail list because I cannot have trust or faith in anything the Trust has to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 9:04:23 GMT
You'd have done the same if I'd answered all your questions in the way you want though. Back to stalking every post I make I see, without ever actually addressing the content of any of them, just selected bits out of context in amongst personal insults. Welcome back, you have been missed.
Tell me, do you still think I'm talking down the club for waiting to see if Bob Peeters worked out beyond the opening few games? Presumably you must think RD is the biggest of all naysayers for having the temerity to sack him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 12:49:01 GMT
Not sure what the last couple of posts above have to do with "Charlton Athletic Supporters' Trust interview with Powell" the title of this thread. Keep to the topic please.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 13:27:56 GMT
I'm now getting this thread back on topic. I think the trust should disband as this would free up forums for more serious matters like should Powell be given the freedom of the city etc. I do however like most of the trust guys...no, not the new lot 'cos they love themselves more than the club.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 17:21:28 GMT
I'm now getting this thread back on topic. I think the trust should disband as this would free up forums for more serious matters like should Powell be given the freedom of the city etc. I do however like most of the trust guys...no, not the new lot 'cos they love themselves more than the club. would he get to carry lambs to the slaughter over London Bridge ? Or is it just the Huddersfield team and fans that hes leading astray ?
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